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1. 04:10 AM - Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor? (Bob Leffler)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: scat tube flange-reduction from 2" to 1" (tomhanaway)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: Filling seatbelt countersink in canopy? (linn Walters)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Filling seatbelt countersink in canopy? (Lew Gallagher)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Filling seatbelt countersink in canopy? (Tim Olson)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: scat tube flange-reduction from 2" to 1" (greghale)
7. 08:33 AM - Fix for loose steps (Bob-tcw)
8. 10:30 AM - Re: Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor? (Scott Schmidt)
9. 01:18 PM - Elevating the fuse to put it up on it's gear (AirMike)
10. 03:07 PM - Re: Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 04:27 PM - oil filter adapter (egohr1)
12. 04:38 PM - NavWorx Update (Tim Olson)
13. 06:27 PM - Re: oil filter adapter (William Curtis)
14. 06:33 PM - Re: NavWorx Update (William Curtis)
15. 06:58 PM - Re: NavWorx Update (Tim Olson)
16. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest (Kelly McMullen)
17. 07:51 PM - Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest (woxofswa)
18. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest (Deems Davis)
19. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest (John Cox)
20. 10:24 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest (Don McDonald)
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| Subject: | Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor? |
Has anyone installed an Aircraft Extras Fuel Guardian Sensor?
If so, I would be interested in understanding where you mounted the sensor
on your tank.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: scat tube flange-reduction from 2" to 1" |
I've run air conditioner lines within the tunnel. Reducing the size of the heater
hose gives me more room, a cleaner install and avoids contact (and potential
heat transfer) between the coolant hose and the heater hose.
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| Subject: | Re: Filling seatbelt countersink in canopy? |
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Just be prepared to repair the canopy surface should you ever decide to
> change/repair your belt system.
>
I'm not there yet (but getting close) so explain in detail, if you will,
why bonding that screw into the cabin top keeps you from unbolting the
harness from the inside. If it's the fact that the screw wants to turn
...... I think you could just take a small chisel and smack some
'indents' around the circumference of the screw head. Help me
understand here.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Filling seatbelt countersink in canopy? |
Thanks for the responses, guys. I'm closing in on paint preparation and altho
there aren't many pictures of the tops of canopies, I couldn't remember seeing
a single screw head on the surface of the roof. Now's the time to do it, if
I'm going to.
Since the nut is on the inside, I thought folks were glassing in the screw so that
just a stud is in the inside -- then you could always change out belts or
whatever. Maybe burr up the edges of the flat head so that when glassed in, it
wouldn't turn ... or "smack some indents" if you will!
By the way, I'm dealing with recently diagnosed prostate cancer and I think the
average age of our group indicates this may be a commonality -- so contact me
off line if you want to take advantage of my research. lewgall(at)charter.net
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Prop is on, cowl almost finished, paint prep!
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| Subject: | Re: Filling seatbelt countersink in canopy? |
I just really don't see indents holding that screw necessarily
tightly so that it wouldn't just rip the fiberglass and crack
all the paint if you ever turned the nut.
I left my screw unpainted, unashamed of it being there. But,
you could always paint the screw the same color as the cabin
top and it would be barely noticeable. Or, cover it with a
waterproof white plastic sticker and you'd just see the outline
of the screwhead.
Not covering it makes it a very very minor cosmetic issue.
Covering it makes it a maintenance issue that may cause you to
some day have to repaint the cabin top. It's also high enough
up that it's very hard to see when the plane is on gear.
But enough from me on it. Everyone can choose as they feel
best, and then they deal with the choices later if they
have to...it's the beauty of building it your own way....your
choices aren't someone else's problems, and vice versa.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lew Gallagher wrote:
> <lewgall@charter.net>
>
> Thanks for the responses, guys. I'm closing in on paint preparation
> and altho there aren't many pictures of the tops of canopies, I
> couldn't remember seeing a single screw head on the surface of the
> roof. Now's the time to do it, if I'm going to.
>
> Since the nut is on the inside, I thought folks were glassing in the
> screw so that just a stud is in the inside -- then you could always
> change out belts or whatever. Maybe burr up the edges of the flat
> head so that when glassed in, it wouldn't turn ... or "smack some
> indents" if you will!
>
> By the way, I'm dealing with recently diagnosed prostate cancer and I
> think the average age of our group indicates this may be a
> commonality -- so contact me off line if you want to take advantage
> of my research. lewgall(at)charter.net
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: scat tube flange-reduction from 2" to 1" |
Tim, I wanted to be able to mix the cold with hot air also. This is what I came
up with. I also have details on my web site page.
http://www.nwacaptain.com/heatcool.html
Greg...
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www.nwacaptain.com
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| Subject: | Fix for loose steps |
There was some talk last week about wiggly steps. Although we are not
flying yet I believe the follwoing fix for this is going to work. I
turned a solid aluminum bushing that is pressed inside the step tube.
This bushing gives the step bolt something to clamp against.
The following link to our web site has pictures and brief write up on
this bushing,
GO TO Bottom of this page for details.
http://www.tcwtech.com/RV-10%20construction%20project.htm
Bob Newman
40176
TCW Technologies, LLC.
www.tcwtech.com
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor? |
I did Bob, attached are a couple of photos. In my basement I placed the wings at
their proper dihedral angle (I think is 3 degrees, so 1.5 degrees per wing,
could be wrong)
I then filled up the tanks with five gallons of fluid and marked that point and
drilled the hole.
In light to moderate turbulence the lights will come on with 10-12 gallons in the
tank from time to time.
If the lights come on they flash and then you can push the switch once and it will
stay solid on, and the second time resets it and turns the lights off.
Pretty nice system.
By the way, that measurement is from the bottom of the wing even though it looks
like it is from the top. My wing is upside down in the picture with the measurement
and then right-side up with the installation completed.
http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/124475_Yi8KB#50698594_zqmPN
http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/124475_Yi8KB#50698584_LXbYz
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:13:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor?
Has anyone installed an Aircraft Extras Fuel Guardian
Sensor?
If so, I would be interested in understanding where you
mounted the sensor on your tank.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Elevating the fuse to put it up on it's gear |
How high must the fuselage be elevated to put the gear on?
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor? |
Hey Bob, I did. I went through the whole setup trying to get the wings i
n the proper flight orientation, using a water level, and putting in I forg
et how much water to mark the spot on the tank to put the sensors. There s
hould be something in my kitlog on exactly where I put it and the whole pro
cess. I would look it up but I'm about to walk out the door.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Has anyone installed an AE Fuel Guardian Sensor?
Has anyone installed an Aircraft Extras Fuel Guardian Sensor?
If so, I would be interested in understanding where you mounted the sensor
on your tank.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | oil filter adapter |
Just mounting the engine. The used IO540 had a remote filter mount adapter, does
any one have a standard adapter I could buy or trade for?
Eric Gohr
egohr1atcoxdotnet
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eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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I just wanted to follow up as I said I'd post more information
after today. I worked with Bill from NavWorx today in getting
the NavWorx ADS-B system hooked up to the Chelton system. I
had prepared a harness in advance, that could take the place
of one of my existing interfaces. As you know, ADS-B can
provide both traffic and WX. The Chelton has a config
screen for weather and traffic and currently my system was
set up to receive traffic from the GTX-330 and Weather
from WSI. I turned them both to ADS-B, we fired up the
transceiver on at OSH, and went for a flight.
I can now report that ADS-B weather displays, with VERY fast
update rates, on the Chelton system, and does a great job.
On the flight, we got to check out the traffic portion also,
flying a loop around Appleton and down. Traffic was visible
and it had a very fast update speed on the screens...you
could watch the traffic slide across the Chelton's and it
was updated faster than the GTX-330 traffic.
There was only 2 oddities in the whole thing, one of them
done on purpose, and one of them something that NavWorx will
now refine a little more. The first is that the unit that
we were using was not programmed to filter traffic based
on distance or altitude away...thus, we could actually
receive traffic targets that were even 100nm away! This
is a setting that they can program, so you have traffic
available at whatever range or altitude difference that you
want, and this one was left open to all traffic. The
oddity that we saw was that during turns, we detected our
own airplane as traffic, which as I understand it is
due to the inaccuracy of the radar station we were in.
We would get a Mode-S traffic "hit" that would sometimes
show up .25-.3 miles from our plane. Apparently this is
an effect caused by my having a mode-S transponder,
in that both the ADS-B and Mode-S target are in the
same spot, but with radar inaccuracies, they may not
be identically placed. The receiver is supposed to have
an algorithm that hides one of the hits if they're so
close in position and altitude that they must be the
same plane, so that algorithm needs to be modified
slightly (just a simple software update for NavWorx) to
hide them just a little further separated than it is
now. I was very interested to see that for Wx, the
single ground-based station basically covers way outside
the entire state of Wisconsin, so with ADS-B weather,
my entire home state would have coverage. That is
not to say I'd be able to receive the ground station,
but I'd see the Nexrad for the whole state, plus more,
when I am in ADS-B coverage. Now they just have to get
the ADS-B system country wide to be deployed.
So, not only does it appear that NavWorx has a great
little system for WAY WAY less than Garmin, but it
works fine with Cheltons already existing ADS-B interfacing.
It should also work fine for others like GRT and
Advanced Flight once they bring their programming
for it to completion.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | oil filter adapter |
Mattituck has the standard adapter for $239 and the 90 degree adapter for $282
+ $45 for the spacer required with the 90 degree adapter.
http://mattituck.com/oil%20filter%20adapter%20add.pdf
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Just mounting the engine. The used IO540 had a remote filter mount adapter,
does any one have a standard adapter I could buy or trade for?
>
> Eric Gohr
> egohr1atcoxdotnet
>
> --------
> eric gohr
> EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Tim,
Very cool! Are you using the portable PADS600 or the fixed ADS600? IF the ADS600,
what do you have for antenna placement and can you confirm that this is a
"receive only" system?
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> I just wanted to follow up as I said I'd post more information
> after today. I worked with Bill from NavWorx today in getting
> the NavWorx ADS-B system hooked up to the Chelton system. I
> had prepared a harness in advance, that could take the place
> of one of my existing interfaces. As you know, ADS-B can
> provide both traffic and WX. The Chelton has a config
> screen for weather and traffic and currently my system was
> set up to receive traffic from the GTX-330 and Weather
> from WSI. I turned them both to ADS-B, we fired up the
> transceiver on at OSH, and went for a flight.
>
> I can now report that ADS-B weather displays, with VERY fast
> update rates, on the Chelton system, and does a great job.
> On the flight, we got to check out the traffic portion also,
> flying a loop around Appleton and down. Traffic was visible
> and it had a very fast update speed on the screens...you
> could watch the traffic slide across the Chelton's and it
> was updated faster than the GTX-330 traffic.
>
> There was only 2 oddities in the whole thing, one of them
> done on purpose, and one of them something that NavWorx will
> now refine a little more. The first is that the unit that
> we were using was not programmed to filter traffic based
> on distance or altitude away...thus, we could actually
> receive traffic targets that were even 100nm away! This
> is a setting that they can program, so you have traffic
> available at whatever range or altitude difference that you
> want, and this one was left open to all traffic. The
> oddity that we saw was that during turns, we detected our
> own airplane as traffic, which as I understand it is
> due to the inaccuracy of the radar station we were in.
> We would get a Mode-S traffic "hit" that would sometimes
> show up .25-.3 miles from our plane. Apparently this is
> an effect caused by my having a mode-S transponder,
> in that both the ADS-B and Mode-S target are in the
> same spot, but with radar inaccuracies, they may not
> be identically placed. The receiver is supposed to have
> an algorithm that hides one of the hits if they're so
> close in position and altitude that they must be the
> same plane, so that algorithm needs to be modified
> slightly (just a simple software update for NavWorx) to
> hide them just a little further separated than it is
> now. I was very interested to see that for Wx, the
> single ground-based station basically covers way outside
> the entire state of Wisconsin, so with ADS-B weather,
> my entire home state would have coverage. That is
> not to say I'd be able to receive the ground station,
> but I'd see the Nexrad for the whole state, plus more,
> when I am in ADS-B coverage. Now they just have to get
> the ADS-B system country wide to be deployed.
>
> So, not only does it appear that NavWorx has a great
> little system for WAY WAY less than Garmin, but it
> works fine with Cheltons already existing ADS-B interfacing.
> It should also work fine for others like GRT and
> Advanced Flight once they bring their programming
> for it to completion.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx Update |
For this test it was just the PADS600 portable. The ADS600
will give you the same basic thing, but you'll install a
blade style DME antenna, and it will accept external GPS
feeds. The one today had built-in GPS and a small stick
antenna. For most people who are building planes, we'll
want the fixed unit, because it will give better signal
and performance.
No, this is not a "receive only" system....it's the whole
works, transmit and receive. Cool stuff, that's for sure.
I'll do a quick write-up with photos when I can sit down
and put it together.
One other thing.....since Garmin does all their stuff using
proprietary interfaces, this ADS-B isn't going to be an
option on some Garmin products....they shoot themselves
in the foot by not wanting to use more "open" interface
specs. So the experimental and non-garmin world has a
lot of good cost savings benefit by a product like this.
I do think that it will feed some of the radios like
the 430/530/480 though...but we didn't talk much about that,
so I'm not sure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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William Curtis wrote:
> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> Very cool! Are you using the portable PADS600 or the fixed ADS600?
> IF the ADS600, what do you have for antenna placement and can you
> confirm that this is a "receive only" system?
>
> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>> I just wanted to follow up as I said I'd post more information
>> after today. I worked with Bill from NavWorx today in getting the
>> NavWorx ADS-B system hooked up to the Chelton system. I had
>> prepared a harness in advance, that could take the place of one of
>> my existing interfaces. As you know, ADS-B can provide both
>> traffic and WX. The Chelton has a config screen for weather and
>> traffic and currently my system was set up to receive traffic from
>> the GTX-330 and Weather from WSI. I turned them both to ADS-B, we
>> fired up the transceiver on at OSH, and went for a flight.
>>
>> I can now report that ADS-B weather displays, with VERY fast update
>> rates, on the Chelton system, and does a great job. On the flight,
>> we got to check out the traffic portion also, flying a loop around
>> Appleton and down. Traffic was visible and it had a very fast
>> update speed on the screens...you could watch the traffic slide
>> across the Chelton's and it was updated faster than the GTX-330
>> traffic.
>>
>> There was only 2 oddities in the whole thing, one of them done on
>> purpose, and one of them something that NavWorx will now refine a
>> little more. The first is that the unit that we were using was not
>> programmed to filter traffic based on distance or altitude
>> away...thus, we could actually receive traffic targets that were
>> even 100nm away! This is a setting that they can program, so you
>> have traffic available at whatever range or altitude difference
>> that you want, and this one was left open to all traffic. The
>> oddity that we saw was that during turns, we detected our own
>> airplane as traffic, which as I understand it is due to the
>> inaccuracy of the radar station we were in. We would get a Mode-S
>> traffic "hit" that would sometimes show up .25-.3 miles from our
>> plane. Apparently this is an effect caused by my having a mode-S
>> transponder, in that both the ADS-B and Mode-S target are in the
>> same spot, but with radar inaccuracies, they may not be identically
>> placed. The receiver is supposed to have an algorithm that hides
>> one of the hits if they're so close in position and altitude that
>> they must be the same plane, so that algorithm needs to be modified
>> slightly (just a simple software update for NavWorx) to hide them
>> just a little further separated than it is now. I was very
>> interested to see that for Wx, the single ground-based station
>> basically covers way outside the entire state of Wisconsin, so with
>> ADS-B weather, my entire home state would have coverage. That is
>> not to say I'd be able to receive the ground station, but I'd see
>> the Nexrad for the whole state, plus more, when I am in ADS-B
>> coverage. Now they just have to get the ADS-B system country wide
>> to be deployed.
>>
>> So, not only does it appear that NavWorx has a great little system
>> for WAY WAY less than Garmin, but it works fine with Cheltons
>> already existing ADS-B interfacing. It should also work fine for
>> others like GRT and Advanced Flight once they bring their
>> programming for it to completion.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest |
Many thanks to Myron for putting on a great lunch and gathering of
RV10 builders. Weather was great, 4 flying RV10s that I counted were
present.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:16 PM, woxofswa <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I've got a "RV10 NEST" banner hanging from a checkerboard awning.
>
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest |
Thanks to all who participated. The group is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest |
Let me add a strong second. Third, or ?????? to what Kelly said. Myron
put on a GREAT spread, and any time I can get to hang out with other -10
builders is good time, Those of you who haven't savored Myrons Carne
Asada, haven't lived !!!!!!!!!!
Thanks
Deems
Getting closer !
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Many thanks to Myron for putting on a great lunch and gathering of
> RV10 builders. Weather was great, 4 flying RV10s that I counted were
> present.
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest |
Myron, your hospitality was as great as the airline you fly for. The
shelter from the Arizona sun today and the chance to sit down with
friends on your chairs, under that sunshade, while you did the hard work
on the Barby- priceless.
Thanks - back to work tomorrow.
John Cox
Aurora,OR (sneaking an early Copperstate sunbreak)
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Sent: Sat 10/25/2008 7:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest
Thanks to all who participated. The group is greater than the sum of
its parts.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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Myron, great job and it was great to meet you.- Thanks for providing a pl
ace to get together.- Met some really nice people and I'm sure I'll see t
hem all again.- Thanks again.
Don McDonald
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From: woxofswa <woxof@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest
All set up right behind the display tents. Lunch tomorrow (sat) noonish. L
ots
of shade and chairs for anyone who wants a place to relax.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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