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1. 06:11 AM - Re: Amazing (Perry, Phil)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Amazing (Perry, Phil)
3. 08:28 AM - winter flying (lbgjb10)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: winter flying (Tim Olson)
5. 09:10 AM - The Gorilla speaks (John Cox)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Tim Olson)
7. 09:49 AM - Trim indicators - flying experience ()
8. 10:09 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (John Cox)
9. 10:17 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Rob Kochman)
10. 10:28 AM - Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (n277dl)
11. 10:34 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (John Cox)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: Trim indicators - flying experience (Jim)
13. 10:37 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (pascal)
14. 10:39 AM - Re: Trim indicators - flying experience (bcondrey)
15. 11:04 AM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (John Cox)
16. 11:11 AM - Re: Trim indicators - flying experience (Tim Olson)
17. 12:09 PM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (linn Walters)
18. 01:35 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (SteinAir, Inc.)
19. 01:59 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Kelly McMullen)
20. 04:03 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Robin Marks)
21. 04:48 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Jesse Saint)
22. 05:49 PM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (Jim)
23. 06:06 PM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (Ralph E. Capen)
24. 06:54 PM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (bcondrey)
25. 07:09 PM - Speaking to the choir (Rene)
26. 08:16 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Marcus Cooper)
27. 08:37 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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Yeah, I agree. But let me clarify.
If you pulled a wing at rest, you might be able to gently pull it out
and have the plane stand there.
But if you bounced it on the ground at 30mph, had that huge engine at
high-rpm and torquing, then rolled it across a rough grass surface -
that would be enough to tip the plane.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Freddie Hegler [mailto:MaxHegler@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Amazing
Not in all cases, especially light aircraft. The wings on most civil
aircraft are fairly light and may cause the aircraft to lean in that
direction, but wouldn't necessarily touch the ground. I had to pull the
right wing on my RV-7, and though I had a support under the left wing,
it didn't lean enough to even touch the support.
Max
On 10/29/08 9:57 PM, "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
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> Doctored....
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> If it's missing one wing, the remaining wingtip should be on the
> ground because of the imbalance.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Gonzalez [mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Amazing
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> --> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
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> It looks that way to me too. It looks like lite ply on the fuselage
> wing root and round wing rods. Just like on the RC planes.
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> JOhn G.
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>> From: phudes@ix.netcom.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Amazing
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:42:26 -0700
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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>> What a crock! This was a doctored video using an RC airplane.
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>> Pete Hudes
>> On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
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>>> Here's the interview with the pilot after the event. Be advised
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>>> there is some language that isn't appropriate for all audiences
>>> however.
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>>> http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> RV-10 N442PM
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>> Carpenter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:51 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Amazing
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>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
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>>> Jeff Carpenter
>>> 40304
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I just found another one in there too.
The right wing falls off, but the plane spins to the left. The lift of
the left wing should have made the plane spin right.
-----Original Message-----
From: Freddie Hegler [mailto:MaxHegler@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Amazing
Not in all cases, especially light aircraft. The wings on most civil
aircraft are fairly light and may cause the aircraft to lean in that
direction, but wouldn't necessarily touch the ground. I had to pull the
right wing on my RV-7, and though I had a support under the left wing,
it didn't lean enough to even touch the support.
Max
On 10/29/08 9:57 PM, "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
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> Doctored....
>
> If it's missing one wing, the remaining wingtip should be on the
> ground because of the imbalance.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Gonzalez [mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Amazing
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> --> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
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> It looks that way to me too. It looks like lite ply on the fuselage
> wing root and round wing rods. Just like on the RC planes.
>
> JOhn G.
>
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>> From: phudes@ix.netcom.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Amazing
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:42:26 -0700
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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>> What a crock! This was a doctored video using an RC airplane.
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>> Pete Hudes
>> On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
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>>> Here's the interview with the pilot after the event. Be advised
>>> that
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>>> there is some language that isn't appropriate for all audiences
>>> however.
>>>
>>> http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> RV-10 N442PM
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>> Carpenter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:51 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Amazing
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>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
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>>> Jeff Carpenter
>>> 40304
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anyone found an easy way to preheat rv 10 engine when necessary due to brrrrr winter??
larry
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Larry and Gayle N104LG
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| Subject: | Re: winter flying |
Sure, I have a Reiff preheat system on my engine.
http://www.reiffpreheat.com/
Went out flying last weekend when it was nice and cold
out and my CHT's were around 95F when I went to fire
it up.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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lbgjb10 wrote:
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> anyone found an easy way to preheat rv 10 engine when necessary due to brrrrr
winter?? larry
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no
plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all received
word of the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were
offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at
OSH '08.
Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3
months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800 x
480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the
kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,
and what the subscription price is. As it stands now,
the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,
but it lacks some of the features. But the chart
subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs
extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.
On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates
are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Cox wrote:
> After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no
> plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all received
> word of the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were
> offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at
> OSH '08.
>
> Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3
> months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800 x
> 480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the
> kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
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| Subject: | Trim indicators - flying experience |
To any of you flyers out there, what is your opinion about the need for the Allen
trim indicators? Should I definitely install them? Not? Are they part of
your 'scan' or not?
I am installing TCW's Trim controller and will be operating the trim from the stick
grips.
Bill "deep in panel" Watson
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
Dewey is going to be talking about it at our weekly dinner tonight. It
is not available yet and will be "Later this year". I think it was a
pre-emptive advertisement to redirect pending dollars to competitor's
products. I will ask the question and response to same tomorrow.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,
and what the subscription price is. As it stands now,
the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,
but it lacks some of the features. But the chart
subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs
extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.
On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates
are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
It ships next week (from Sporty's anyway):
http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&Product_ID=11883&DID=19
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:09 AM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> Dewey is going to be talking about it at our weekly dinner tonight. It
> is not available yet and will be "Later this year". I think it was a
> pre-emptive advertisement to redirect pending dollars to competitor's
> products. I will ask the question and response to same tomorrow.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:30 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
>
>
> I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,
> and what the subscription price is. As it stands now,
> the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,
> but it lacks some of the features. But the chart
> subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs
> extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.
> On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates
> are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
I seem to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine about 3-4 weeks
ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step is getting the panel
decision made. I can't seem to get off the fence between AFS and GRT.
I've contacted Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this weekend to fly
with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
Anyone in the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be interested in showing
off their panel sometime in the next few weeks? I'm located in SE Iowa and
have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's amazing how much ground you can cover
in a couple hours in these marvelous traveling machines)
If you're interested you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and we'll see
if we can hook up.
Thanks in advance,
Doug
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Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
When Tim asks, a faster response is deserved for all his hard work at
RV10 Central and on his RV10 University site.
The Garmin 696 is not available today. It is expected to be rolled out
in "purchase form" at the AOPA Convention and available at vendor's
shops immediately after. The Chartview (all FAA charts) is included and
at no charge for the "First Six Months" after registration which,
standard subscription prices then prevail. "Would you like some candy
with that purchase?"
SafeTaxi is included at No Charge. XM weather capability is included
and the additional subscription fee applies on immediate activation.
$3295 is a Retail "Do not advertise below" pricing. You read between
the lines.
The wind was taken out of the sales when Garmin gave the $100 instant
rebate and reduced the upgrade cost to Trade In and Walk away with a
496XM unit at OSH '08. Then again some builders have more money and a
fatter 401K than I do "On this date in time".
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,
and what the subscription price is. As it stands now,
the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,
but it lacks some of the features. But the chart
subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs
extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.
On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates
are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Cox wrote:
> After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no
> plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all
received
> word of the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were
> offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back
at
> OSH '08.
>
> Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is
3
> months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800
x
> 480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and
the
> kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
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| Subject: | Re: Trim indicators - flying experience |
I am using the Advanced Flight Systems AF-3500. They have indicators
built in for elevator, aileron and flap position. No need to mount
the trim indicator.
Jim Combs (N312F, 40192)
>
>
> To any of you flyers out there, what is your opinion
about the need for
> the Allen trim indicators? Should I
definitely install them? Not? Are
> they part of your 'scan' or
not?
>
> I am installing TCW's Trim controller and will
be operating the trim from
> the stick grips.
>
>
Bill "deep in panel" Watson
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
The Gorilla
speakshttp://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2008/10/garmin-gpsmap-6.html
I'll check it out at AOPA next week. Which is when it says it will be on
sale.
Thanks for the insight John!
Pascal
From: John Cox
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no
plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all received
word of the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were
offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at
OSH '08.
Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3
months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800 x
480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the
kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Re: Trim indicators - flying experience |
Bill,
Same w/GRT - you can display trim and/or flap position on the display if you want.
Bob
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| Subject: | Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Doug,
The best advice I have heard in 35 years is don't make a decision you
might change later on a BIG ticket item. Know your Mission! Take the
time to "Fly behind" each of the products you are considering. Get the
Good, the Bad, the Ugly and the tackle the likelihood of future
enhancements squarely in your sites before taking the ultimate plunge.
If you ask builders who are now FLYING, "What is the biggest decision
you have made that you might have considered changing... What is it?" I
will wager a case of beer at OSH '09 its drinking the Kool aid on the
heart of your panel without fully embracing all the factors. Then the
dialog comes across, "If I had known now that they would be, they would
offer, they couldn't do".
Builders today have a great range of aircraft that owners will proudly
demonstrate - In Flight. Garmin G900, Chelton, Grand Rapids, Advanced
Flight, OP, many others, Aspen and of course the "Lost in the 50's"
steam gauge crowd. Don't forget enhancements like Marc's VP or now the
G696.
Choose Wisely and then "Be true to your school". The panel you love
today is going to be the panel you sell with the airframe tomorrow.
Yes, there still are a lot of RV-10s being listed for sale in the first
100 hours of ownership, after completion.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west....
I seem to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine about
3-4 weeks ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step is getting
the panel decision made. I can't seem to get off the fence between AFS
and GRT.
I've contacted Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this
weekend to fly with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
Anyone in the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be
interested in showing off their panel sometime in the next few weeks?
I'm located in SE Iowa and have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's
amazing how much ground you can cover in a couple hours in these
marvelous traveling machines)
If you're interested you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and
we'll see if we can hook up.
Thanks in advance,
Doug
Do not archive.
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will
always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211216#211216
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| Subject: | Re: Trim indicators - flying experience |
If your EFIS can display them, then that's a good way to go.
If not, you'll for sure want them for the elevator, and probably
also want them for the ailerons. For the rudder I find no
need at all. For the flaps, I'm finding no need either...
they're an easy visual check.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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mauledriver@nc.rr.com wrote:
>
> To any of you flyers out there, what is your opinion about the need
> for the Allen trim indicators? Should I definitely install them?
> Not? Are they part of your 'scan' or not?
>
> I am installing TCW's Trim controller and will be operating the trim
> from the stick grips.
>
> Bill "deep in panel" Watson
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
n277dl wrote:
>
> I seem to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine about 3-4 weeks
ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
>
> I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step is getting the
panel decision made. I can't seem to get off the fence between AFS and GRT.
I went with the Odyssey from http://www.mglavionics.com/. Not flown
behind it yet, but it's powered up on the bench already!! Sorry to give
you another option to weigh.
Linn cabin top purgatory
>
>
> I've contacted Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this weekend to
fly with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
>
> Anyone in the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be interested in
showing off their panel sometime in the next few weeks? I'm located in SE Iowa
and have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's amazing how much ground you can cover
in a couple hours in these marvelous traveling machines)
>
> If you're interested you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and we'll see
if we can hook up.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
There is no read between the lines at all....no ambiguity. The Portable
GPSes have always had an MRP, not a MAP (minumum advertised price) policy.
That's why I tell people, "they are the same price everywhere, I just
appreciate the business a bit more than most"!
Anyway, the 696 is indeed a really slick product. Also, regarding the
mounting, by the time you put a gizmo or some sort around this thing, it'd
be huge. If I were a betting man I might wait a little bit to see what
other alternatives appear in the market!
My 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Cox
>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:33 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
>
>
.......
>SafeTaxi is included at No Charge. XM weather capability is included
>and the additional subscription fee applies on immediate activation.
>$3295 is a Retail "Do not advertise below" pricing. You read between
>the lines.
>
>John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
One potential killer is that the approach charts go away the minute
they exceed the update cycle. Enroute somewhere at midnight on the end
of a cycle, too bad, no approach charts. Not known yet is how easy
updates will be.
Other competitors let you download updates several days in advance,
and let you use expired charts after acknowledging a warning that they
are expired.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,
> and what the subscription price is. As it stands now,
> the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,
> but it lacks some of the features. But the chart
> subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs
> extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.
> On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates
> are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Cox wrote:
>>
>> After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no
>> plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all received word
>> of the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were offering
>> such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at OSH '08.
>>
>> Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3
>> months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800 x 480
>> pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the kitchen
>> ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> #600
>
>
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
Tim you are funny! Free updates from Garmin. What will you think of
next?
The 696 would be ideal to double as a sun visor.
Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,
and what the subscription price is. As it stands now,
the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,
but it lacks some of the features. But the chart
subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs
extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.
On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates
are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Cox wrote:
> After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no
> plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all
received
> word of the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were
> offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back
at
> OSH '08.
>
> Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is
3
> months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800
x
> 480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and
the
> kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
Of course, to be a good sun visor it would need to have synthetic
vision. It looks like they are not using Jep plates, so that should
make the updates cheaper, but it also would bother me if I had to
update on or after the day of expiration of the old plates to be able
to use them.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Oct 30, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Tim you are funny! Free updates from Garmin. What will you think of
> next?
> The 696 would be ideal to double as a sun visor.
>
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Doug, Some additional comments. The task of installing the
wiring harness and various other pieces that come along with the EFIS will
further cement you decision. Don't allow yourself to believe you
will trade up in the future. That is a huge undertaking regardless
of which system you choose.
My opinion here, but I think
all of the offerings are pretty sweet. We have come a LONG way in
the last 10 years. I think the next 10 will be even more
interesting.
Jim Combs (N312F - 40192)
> -->
RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox"
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Doug,
> The
best advice I have heard in 35 years is don't make a decision you
> might change later on a BIG ticket item. Know your Mission! Take
the
> time to "Fly behind" each of the products you are
considering. Get the
> Good, the Bad, the Ugly and the tackle the
likelihood of future
> enhancements squarely in your sites before
taking the ultimate plunge.
>
> If you ask builders who
are now FLYING, "What is the biggest decision
> you have made
that you might have considered changing... What is it?" I
>
will wager a case of beer at OSH '09 its drinking the Kool aid on the
> heart of your panel without fully embracing all the factors. Then
the
> dialog comes across, "If I had known now that they
would be, they would
> offer, they couldn't do".
>
> Builders today have a great range of aircraft that owners will
proudly
> demonstrate - In Flight. Garmin G900, Chelton, Grand
Rapids, Advanced
> Flight, OP, many others, Aspen and of course
the "Lost in the 50's"
> steam gauge crowd. Don't
forget enhancements like Marc's VP or now the
> G696.
>
> Choose Wisely and then "Be true to your school". The
panel you love
> today is going to be the panel you sell with the
airframe tomorrow.
> Yes, there still are a lot of RV-10s being
listed for sale in the first
> 100 hours of ownership, after
completion.
>
> John
> Do not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:28 AM
> To:
rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Flying with AFS EFIS
- mid west....
>
"n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
>
> I seem
to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine about
>
3-4 weeks ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
>
> I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step
is getting
> the panel decision made. I can't seem to get off the
fence between AFS
> and GRT.
>
> I've contacted
Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this
> weekend to
fly with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
>
> Anyone in
the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be
> interested
in showing off their panel sometime in the next few weeks?
> I'm
located in SE Iowa and have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's
>
amazing how much ground you can cover in a couple hours in these
>
marvelous traveling machines)
>
> If you're interested
you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and
> we'll see if we
can hook up.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --------
>
Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than
process people and will
> always find ways to ruin a perfectly
good set of processes.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211216#211216
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Jim has a good point - I had a VMS1000 (one of the first) - till it
started fritzing and VMS was taken over by JPI...it was still very
difficult to make the decision to $h!t-can the VMS and put in an AFS
3400 EM - even knowing that a lot of the wiring would be reusable -
until I read that support was orphaned.....I don't think I would have
done it as quickly otherwise.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west....
Doug, Some additional comments. The task of installing the wiring
harness and various other pieces that come along with the EFIS will
further cement you decision. Don't allow yourself to believe you will
trade up in the future. That is a huge undertaking regardless of which
system you choose.
My opinion here, but I think all of the offerings are pretty sweet.
We have come a LONG way in the last 10 years. I think the next 10 will
be even more interesting.
Jim Combs (N312F - 40192)
>
> Doug,
> The best advice I have heard in 35 years is don't make a decision
you
> might change later on a BIG ticket item. Know your Mission! Take the
> time to "Fly behind" each of the products you are considering. Get
the
> Good, the Bad, the Ugly and the tackle the likelihood of future
> enhancements squarely in your sites before taking the ultimate
plunge.
>
> If you ask builders who are now FLYING, "What is the biggest
decision
> you have made that you might have considered changing... What is
it?" I
> will wager a case of beer at OSH '09 its drinking the Kool aid on
the
> heart of your panel without fully embracing all the factors. Then
the
> dialog comes across, "If I had known now that they would be, they
would
> offer, they couldn't do".
>
> Builders today have a great range of aircraft that owners will
proudly
> demonstrate - In Flight. Garmin G900, Chelton, Grand Rapids,
Advanced
> Flight, OP, many others, Aspen and of course the "Lost in the 50's"
> steam gauge crowd. Don't forget enhancements like Marc's VP or now
the
> G696.
>
> Choose Wisely and then "Be true to your school". The panel you love
> today is going to be the panel you sell with the airframe tomorrow.
> Yes, there still are a lot of RV-10s being listed for sale in the
first
> 100 hours of ownership, after completion.
>
> John
> Do not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west....
>
>
> I seem to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine
about
> 3-4 weeks ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
>
> I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step is
getting
> the panel decision made. I can't seem to get off the fence between
AFS
> and GRT.
>
> I've contacted Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this
> weekend to fly with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
>
> Anyone in the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be
> interested in showing off their panel sometime in the next few
weeks?
> I'm located in SE Iowa and have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's
> amazing how much ground you can cover in a couple hours in these
> marvelous traveling machines)
>
> If you're interested you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and
> we'll see if we can hook up.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and
will
> always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211216#211216
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Doug,
There are several of the EFIS systems in -10s in this area. Pat Brandt has AFS
in his -10 (Dennison, IA), Larry Geiger has Chelton (Lincoln, NE) Dean Sombke
has Dynon (Aurora, NE) and as mentioned I've got GRT in mine. You can probably
find them in a -7 closer but I've got contact for all of the above. With a
little planing I suspect it wouldn't be too difficult to get them all together
in a single location you can see them all side by side! Actually, I think we
were all at the BNW fly-in this year along with Tim Olson (Chelton).
Bob
RV-10 N442PM
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| Subject: | Speaking to the choir |
Just thought I would make a comment. I completed my airplane last
Spring..well almost completed my airplane last Spring, always something
else
to do. I played hooky from work yesterday and took a friend up. I
guess I
had started getting comfortable with having the -10 and was starting to
take
it for granted. My friend has many hours (passenger) in C172s and
C182s,
but he left this flight with the "RV Grin." He just could not get over
the
airplane's performance and handling.
So to make a long story short, I have regained my sense of excitement
about
my RV-10 and will have to think back to that flight every once in a
while to
remind myself what a beautiful airplane the RV-10 is.
For those who are still building....it is truly worth all the effort.
Rene'
N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
The other downside I see is there is no automotive element to it. I really
like my 496 for the fact that it can get me where I want to go in the RV-10
with XM WX and Radio and then transport it to the car and let it provide
directions there as well. Very handy.
Having said that, the display looks great and the maps would be awesome,
except for that whole timing out issue. Maybe there will be a way to
download the next version early like other systems.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no plans
for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '08) we have all received word of
the new, improved Garmin 696. Now it is clear why they were offering such a
killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at OSH '08.
Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3
months and three weeks. Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying 800 x 480
pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the kitchen
ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
WOW.............Garmin with a GPS screen bigger than 3"? Bigger than m
y Avmap..........bigger price too. Will wait for Avmap to come out wi
th the new
Avmap V...........it will not require a panel extension to fit.
:) DEAN 805HL
Oil change time.
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