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0. 12:21 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:57 AM - Re: Wing tip (gary)
2. 06:57 AM - Re: Wing tip (Rick Sked)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Rick Sked)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Robin Marks)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (SteinAir, Inc.)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Tim Olson)
7. 09:26 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Scott Schmidt)
8. 12:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Robin Marks)
9. 01:03 PM - RV-10 Whirl Wind prop (Dave Leikam)
10. 04:47 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (ddddsp1@juno.com)
11. 05:11 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Robin Marks)
12. 07:36 PM - Re: Wing tip (Kevin Belue)
13. 07:51 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Rick Sked)
14. 08:02 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Rick Sked)
15. 08:13 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (linn Walters)
16. 08:16 PM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (McGANN, Ron)
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
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Lay up a 2 ply flat layup on your table with release agent. Cut a piece of
this and slip it between the top and bottom trailing edges and adjust to the
length you need and glue it in with cabosil mix. Let harden and then fill
the top and bottom with chopped fiber mix to make it flush with the rest of
the top and bottom. Finish as usual.
Gary Specketer
40274 Flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing tip
I started fitting my wingtips and found the right one to be about 1/4 inch
short on the trailing edge in relation to the aileron. Vans says just build
up the edge and finish. Anyone have this problem and what is the easiest
way to lengthen the edge?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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That's a switch!!! Back in the day they were an inch too long!! Gary hit th
e fix right on the head...much easier to extend than chop off!
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:32:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Wing tip
I started fitting my wingtips and found the right one to be about 1/4 inch
short on the trailing edge in relation to the aileron.=C2- Vans says just
build up the edge and finish.=C2- Anyone have this problem and what is t
he easiest way to lengthen the edge?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
I think the designs look great, I posted this to the whole list only to get
feed back on what everyone thinks about dark color on the composites? Ther
e was some talk about the heat affecting certain brands of filler (micro).
My plan is pretty basic and focuses on overall white with=C2-modest trim
colors similar to what Cirrus does with their fleet.
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:05:23 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
It=99s time for me to finalize my paint scheme and so true to form la
st minute I came up with a number of alternate designs.
Keep in mind this plane has the James cowl. If interested please review the
designs and email me off list with your favorite design # and any comments
you may have.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm
Thanks,
Robin@PaintTheWeb.com
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| Subject: | RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
Hi Robin,
I like #1 or #5....here's why - I like to see paint lines flow in the same
direction and give the airplane nice long curves! Personally, I'm not a big
fan of the forward sweep triangle thingy on the tail, because it doesn't
match any other curves on the plane anywhere and just sort of leaves you
thinking...hmmm...."what's with the tail"?
Anyway, that's just my personal opinion and worth exactly what you paid for
it!
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:05 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
Its time for me to finalize my paint scheme and so true to form last
minute I came up with a number of alternate designs.
Keep in mind this plane has the James cowl. If interested please review
the designs and email me off list with your favorite design # and any
comments you may have.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm
Thanks,
Robin@PaintTheWeb.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
That was basically my reply to Robin. I love all the designs,
but picked #3 because I think it's wise to avoid dark colors
on a couple areas.....one, the composites (at least the
top and real sun-facing surfaces, and two, the fuel tanks.
You may not have any problem with the glass, the paint, or
anything, but it makes sense to keep any added heat absorption
to a minimum, even on engine cowls. Maybe not a huge
critical problem, but anything that helps is worth
considering.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Sked wrote:
> I think the designs look great, I posted this to the whole list only to
> get feed back on what everyone thinks about dark color on the
> composites? There was some talk about the heat affecting certain brands
> of filler (micro). My plan is pretty basic and focuses on overall white
> with modest trim colors similar to what Cirrus does with their fleet.
>
> Rick S.
>
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:05:23 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
>
> Its time for me to finalize my paint scheme and so true to form last
> minute I came up with a number of alternate designs.
>
> Keep in mind this plane has the James cowl. If interested please review
> the designs and email me off list with your favorite design # and any
> comments you may have.
>
> http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin@PaintTheWeb.com <mailto:Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
Hi Robin. =0AAll are nice but I like #3 the best. =0ATo make your life a
little easier you may not want to have the steep angles that cut through th
e rudder. It is difficult to make those stay consistent as the rudder turn
s. =0AEspecially the one that cuts through the top right corner of the ver
tical stabilizer. =0AYou can make them all work though. =0A=0AVery cool.
This is the fun stage. =0A=0A Scott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Robin Marks <robin1
@mrmoisture.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, November 4,
2008 10:05:23 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole=0A
=0A =0AIt=A2s time for me to=0Afinalize my paint scheme and so true to form
last minute I came up with a=0Anumber of alternate designs. =0AKeep in min
d this plane has the=0AJames cowl. If interested please review the designs
and email me off list with=0Ayour favorite design # and any comments you ma
y have.=0Ahttp://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm=0A =0AThanks,=0ARobin@
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| Subject: | RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
Thanks Stein. #1 is my favorite but so many people tell me to keep color
off the top of the canopy & engine? Don't really know why as Cirrus does
it.
The ones with the funny tail were last minute designs that I decided to
do something to the tail but it does not follow the theme. I would end
up changing the tail if I went with lower paint.
Again I like #1 too just trying to convince myself.
Thanks again,
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
Hi Robin,
I like #1 or #5....here's why - I like to see paint lines flow in the
same direction and give the airplane nice long curves! Personally, I'm
not a big fan of the forward sweep triangle thingy on the tail, because
it doesn't match any other curves on the plane anywhere and just sort of
leaves you thinking...hmmm...."what's with the tail"?
Anyway, that's just my personal opinion and worth exactly what you paid
for it!
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:05 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
It's time for me to finalize my paint scheme and so true to form
last minute I came up with a number of alternate designs.
Keep in mind this plane has the James cowl. If interested please
review the designs and email me off list with your favorite design # and
any comments you may have.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm
Thanks,
Robin@PaintTheWeb.com
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| Subject: | RV-10 Whirl Wind prop |
To the flying RV-10's,
I talked to Greg Anderson today at Whirl Wind Aviation. He has a new
two blade carbon fiber prop for the RV-10. Approx. 40 lbs., 81", cost
in the $8,000 range. It is very similar to their 200RV prop. He said
it had some enhancements over the 200RV design.
He is looking for a flying RV-10 to test the prop and do some
comparisons. They have a test prop ready now. If interested, contact
him at 440-275-1540. He said they could ship new props in about twelve
weeks. They want to test one on an RV-10 to be sure there are no
unusual vibration problems. I told him I would post his request on this
list.
Here is a good read on Whirl Wind props:
http://www.romeolima.com/RV8/Prop.htm
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
Who wants to look like a Cirrus with an RV10? Still prefer the RV10 pai
nt scheme Deems Davis (Father of the most popular RV10 Scheme) created.
:) DEAN
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| Subject: | RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
My comment about a Cirrus was related to dark colors on the top side of
the engine and canopy.
One has to throw some at-a-boys to the Cirrus & Columbia designers &
builders. They are beautiful machines.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
Who wants to look like a Cirrus with an RV10? Still prefer the RV10
paint scheme Deems Davis (Father of the most popular RV10 Scheme)
created.
:) DEAN
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My right wing tip was 1/4" short and I fixed it the same way as Gary
said below.
Kevin Belue
RV-6A Flying
RV-10 Flying
----- Original Message -----
From: gary
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing tip
Lay up a 2 ply flat layup on your table with release agent. Cut a
piece of this and slip it between the top and bottom trailing edges and
adjust to the length you need and glue it in with cabosil mix. Let
harden and then fill the top and bottom with chopped fiber mix to make
it flush with the rest of the top and bottom. Finish as usual.
Gary Specketer
40274 Flying
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:32 AM
To: RV-10 matronics
Subject: RV10-List: Wing tip
I started fitting my wingtips and found the right one to be about 1/4
inch short on the trailing edge in relation to the aileron. Vans says
just build up the edge and finish. Anyone have this problem and what is
the easiest way to lengthen the edge?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
Yes they are...and I like their schemes..I plan on doing a basic white with
multicolor intertwining=C2-ribbon design on the side, I'm painting mysel
f, using=C2-=C2-Jetglo=C2-and vinyl trim colors and "N" numbers. My r
easoning is paint doesn't hide workmanship, and I don't EVEN want anyone to
think I am cracking on their workmanship if they have cool paint jobs, I a
lways built my -10 with resale in mind, Basecoat/Clearcoat is a bitch to re
pair, ever wonder why a bodyshop paints the entire part from seperation to
seperation on BC/CC finishes? Because it can't be spot painted and blended.
White can be customized if a buyer wants=C2-pretty easily.=C2-Vinyl ca
n be removed and replaced fairly easily if needed and finally...I think it
looks good to me...which is the only thing I care about. I remember Scott s
aying one time, you forget all about the fancy paint job when you sitting i
n the seat looking out the window. And Deems hinted to me what his paint jo
b cost...Did I say I was painting mine?=C2- :) Don't most of the Cirrus a
ircraft out there have "N" numbers that end in CD...now if you REALLY wante
d to not only look like a Cirrus, you could appear to ATC as one if you wer
e to use CD to end your tail number!!! Someone has that on their -10 don't
they? Can't remember who it is though!!=C2- Oh yeah...I live in the deser
t...white is a cool color in 115 degree heat. Literally.
Rick Sked
40185
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From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:10:22 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
My comment about a Cirrus was related to dark colors on the top side of the
engine and canopy.
One has to throw some at-a-boys to the Cirrus & Columbia designers & builde
rs. They are beautiful machines.
Robin
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
Who wants to look like a Cirrus with an RV10?=C2- Still prefer the RV10 p
aint=C2-scheme Deems Davis (Father of the most popular RV10 Scheme) creat
ed.
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Right you are Robin, I was mainly speaking of the eariler SR-22's that were basically
white with color ribbons/stripes on the sides. Rick S. 40185 do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
I agree that they are beautiful machines. If you get up next to one,
take a look at their door latch mechanism ..... it looks like a trunk
latch from a small car. I like it .... so much better than the crude
mechanism that comes with the kit. I'd like to make my doors latch like
that too. Anybody know where the latches come from???
Linn
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> My comment about a Cirrus was related to dark colors on the top side
> of the engine and canopy.
>
> One has to throw some at-a-boys to the Cirrus & Columbia designers &
> builders. They are beautiful machines.
>
>
>
> Robin
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| Subject: | RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole |
Amen to what Rick says. My -10 will be out of the booth next week. I
have done the vast majority of the painting myself. Very happy with the
results, but it has taken me a loooong time to get it to where I feel
good about it. Like setting rivets, the quality of the paint job only
improves with practice and experience. But I recently bit the bullet
and now have the help of a professional spray painter to do the wing top
surfaces and fuse. My results and his compare favourably, but there is
no way that I can achieve the consistent (outstanding) results that come
from his gun. And I don't have to sell the wife and kids to pay for
the paint job - all up it will have cost me well under A$2k (under
US$1500).
My scheme is also Standard (high opacity) White with basic blue accents
and some vinyls to add some interest. My reasoning is identical to
Rick's and with the blistering heat here in Oz, dark colours on the top
never factored into the equation.
cheers,
Ron
187 looking forward to the BEST Xmas present ever!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 2:21 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
Yes they are...and I like their schemes..I plan on doing a basic
white with multicolor intertwining ribbon design on the side, I'm
painting myself, using Jetglo and vinyl trim colors and "N" numbers. My
reasoning is paint doesn't hide workmanship, and I don't EVEN want
anyone to think I am cracking on their workmanship if they have cool
paint jobs, I always built my -10 with resale in mind,
Basecoat/Clearcoat is a bitch to repair, ever wonder why a bodyshop
paints the entire part from seperation to seperation on BC/CC finishes?
Because it can't be spot painted and blended. White can be customized if
a buyer wants pretty easily. Vinyl can be removed and replaced fairly
easily if needed and finally...I think it looks good to me...which is
the only thing I care about. I remember Scott saying one time, you
forget all about the fancy paint job when you sitting in the seat
looking out the window. And Deems hinted to me what his paint job
cost...Did I say I was painting mine? :) Don't most of the Cirrus
aircraft out there have "N" numbers that end in CD...now if you REALLY
wanted to not only look like a Cirrus, you could appear to ATC as one if
you were to use CD to end your tail number!!! Someone has that on their
-10 don't they? Can't remember who it is though!! Oh yeah...I live in
the desert...white is a cool color in 115 degree heat. Literally.
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:10:22 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
My comment about a Cirrus was related to dark colors on the top
side of the engine and canopy.
One has to throw some at-a-boys to the Cirrus & Columbia
designers & builders. They are beautiful machines.
Robin
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To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole
Who wants to look like a Cirrus with an RV10? Still prefer the
RV10 paint scheme Deems Davis (Father of the most popular RV10 Scheme)
created.
:) DEAN
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