---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/06/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 11:22 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:42 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole (Douglas, Brian S) 2. 03:01 PM - Emag Pmag (David McNeill) 3. 06:03 PM - 51% Policy Change Extension to December 15th at 5PM EST (John Cox) 4. 07:04 PM - Re: 51% Policy Change Extension to December 15th at 5PM EST (Kelly McMullen) 5. 08:29 PM - Re: Weight and Balance Questions (dmaib@mac.com) 6. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance Questions (John Cox) 7. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance Questions (John Cox) 8. 09:19 PM - Re: Weight and Balance Questions (dmaib@mac.com) 9. 09:33 PM - Cutting & buffing (McGANN, Ron) 10. 10:02 PM - Re: Cutting & buffing (John Cox) 11. 10:28 PM - Re: Cutting & buffing (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 12. 10:31 PM - Re: Cutting & buffing (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 13. 10:33 PM - Re: Cutting & buffing (McGANN, Ron) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:59 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Reminder Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole From: "Douglas, Brian S" I prefer #2 or #3. In addition to not having the extra heat absorption from a dark color on top, I think a dark color on the bottom helps to hide the inevitable belly grime. I had an all-white Warrior and man I spent a lot of time degreasing the underside of that plane. Just my $.02 -Brian From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Scheme Opinion Pole It's time for me to finalize my paint scheme and so true to form last minute I came up with a number of alternate designs. Keep in mind this plane has the James cowl. If interested please review the designs and email me off list with your favorite design # and any comments you may have. http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm Thanks, Robin@PaintTheWeb.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:56 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: Emag Pmag I had been thinking of equipping my 10 with one Pmag when available, I have , however, decided to let someone else be on the bleeding edge. This morning a Glastar taxied out from Phoenix Composites only to return trailed by the equipment. The engine quit twice in one pattern. The purpose of the flight was a series of avionics test but the failure occurred with the Emag. Further.discussion suggests that they have been experiencing and attempting to correct this problem for several months. I spoke with the Emag rep at OSH and he indicated that the IO540 version of the Emag Pmag is being tested by some 10 owner. Any experiences from that owner would be welcome. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:29 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: 51% Policy Change Extension to December 15th at 5PM EST From: "John Cox" Due to the technicality of missing FAA reference materials that were germane to the 51% discussion, the comment period is being extended again. Thanks to those 300+ soles who took the time to indicate the areas of discussion they found important. This gives a few months reprieve before the policy is forever modified. No word was offtered on whether the RV-12 will get consideration but the RV-10 should remain grandfathered with a need to document any Pro Build Assist that does not encroach on 51% owner built. .. See Docket FAA-2008-1181 at http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=DocumentDetai l &o=0900006480787694. Federal register # E8-26021 of one page. Your opinion is valued. This policy might just get another delay into 2009 and the 111th Congress, till the next prez picks his new Administrator of the FAA. John Cox #600 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:03 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: 51% Policy Change Extension to December 15th at 5PM EST Can you show me how to hammer that message home into the comments docket with my rivet gun? Do I need a gauge to be certain the shop head is well formed? Punctuate with my dimple dies? ;-) On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:59 PM, John Cox wrote: > Due to the technicality of missing FAA reference materials that were germane > to the 51% discussion, the comment period is being extended again. Thanks to > those 300+ soles who took the time to indicate the areas of discussion they > found important. > > This gives a few months reprieve before the policy is forever modified. No > word was offtered on whether the RV-12 will get consideration but the RV-10 > should remain grandfathered with a need to document any Pro Build Assist > that does not encroach on 51% owner built. > > . > > See Docket FAA-2008-1181 at > http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=DocumentDetail&o00006480787694. > Federal register # E8-26021 of one page. > > Your opinion is valued. This policy might just get another delay into 2009 > and the 111th Congress, till the next prez picks his new Administrator of > the FAA. > > John Cox > > #600 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weight and Balance Questions From: "dmaib@mac.com" We weighed the airplane today and I appear to be the proud owner of the "fattest" RV-10 in the fleet. 1769 lbs. No surprise since we have the Flightline AC air conditioner and the SafeAir1 extended range tip tanks. Empty CG came in at 109.38. This weight and balance was with full interior, wheel pants and fairings, and no paint. About how much will paint add to this weight? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212794#212794 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:08 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Weight and Balance Questions From: "John Cox" Now wait just one minute. That title was formerly held two years ago by Tim and we are all waiting for Ed Hayden to officially post his John Strain, onboard comfort system. For tonight and just tonight, the winner is currently 1769 and may your luxurious Flying Lexus, serve you well. I would estimate that Deems has about 12 pounds of clearcoat (meticulously cut and buffed). No offense intended. John Cox #40600 Do not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weight and Balance Questions We weighed the airplane today and I appear to be the proud owner of the "fattest" RV-10 in the fleet. 1769 lbs. No surprise since we have the Flightline AC air conditioner and the SafeAir1 extended range tip tanks. Empty CG came in at 109.38. This weight and balance was with full interior, wheel pants and fairings, and no paint. About how much will paint add to this weight? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212794#212794 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Weight and Balance Questions From: "John Cox" Excuse me, was that Phatist? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weight and Balance Questions We weighed the airplane today and I appear to be the proud owner of the "fattest" RV-10 in the fleet. 1769 lbs. No surprise since we have the Flightline AC air conditioner and the SafeAir1 extended range tip tanks. Empty CG came in at 109.38. This weight and balance was with full interior, wheel pants and fairings, and no paint. About how much will paint add to this weight? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212794#212794 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weight and Balance Questions From: "dmaib@mac.com" John Cox wrote: > For tonight and just tonight, the winner is currently 1769 and may your > luxurious Flying Lexus, serve you well. We will bask in our 15 minutes of fame [Laughing] -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212799#212799 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:16 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing From: "McGANN, Ron" Ok, John Cox prompted the question when talking of Deems' spectacular paint job. How do you cut and buff without exposing rivet heads?? Most aircraft I have seen that have come out of a paint shop after some rework have too much paint removed over the rivet heads, leaving many nicely polished but unpainted.. In my paint job, I have a number of rivets where the paint has not flowed into the rivet countersink properly and look like they have 'black rings' around the rivet head. Not many, but very obvious in the White paint. What causes this and how to fix? There has really been precious little discussion in this forum about painting techniques and problems. Tim's site (as always) is a starting point, but what other sources of info are there?? Cheers, Ron 187, almost done painting "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:08 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing From: "John Cox" 1500 to 2000 grit "wet" and dry. A discerning eye, a light loving touch, years of experience and the desire not to reshoot the work. After knocking about 50% to 75% of the natural clearcoat orange peel off , you read the white foam that floats off with the constant water rinse. Then, you buff it using no less than three different cuts of Mequire's compounds. One of our RV-10 dinners will feature the Mequires rep showing exactly that process. They leave Free samples. The real secret is to lay enough clearcoat to sacrifice over the color topcoat. Oh, did I mention that clearcoat adds weight, increases gloss, protects the topcoat too. I have had a lot better result with a poly foam pad rather than the lambs wool of my youth. My hotrod days are long gone and I have had my share of zealous over-buffing. I now know when to put down the tool and resort to elbow grease and Karate Kid moves. Compound ON/ Compound Off. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing Ok, John Cox prompted the question when talking of Deems' spectacular paint job. How do you cut and buff without exposing rivet heads?? Most aircraft I have seen that have come out of a paint shop after some rework have too much paint removed over the rivet heads, leaving many nicely polished but unpainted.. In my paint job, I have a number of rivets where the paint has not flowed into the rivet countersink properly and look like they have 'black rings' around the rivet head. Not many, but very obvious in the White paint. What causes this and how to fix? There has really been precious little discussion in this forum about painting techniques and problems. Tim's site (as always) is a starting point, but what other sources of info are there?? Cheers, Ron 187, almost done painting "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing From: ricksked@embarqmail.com R28gdG8gc2xlZXAgSm9obiEhISEgIFdURiB3YXMgdGhhdD8/PyAgIDspDQoNClJpY2sgUyANCjQw MTg1DQpEbyBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQ0KU2VudCB2aWEgQmxhY2tCZXJyeSBieSBBVCZUDQoNCi0tLS0t T3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiAiSm9obiBDb3giIDxqb2hud2NveEBwYWNpZmlj bncuY29tPg0KDQpEYXRlOiBUaHUsIDYgTm92IDIwMDggMjI6MDE6MzggDQpUbzogPHJ2MTAtbGlz dEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUkU6IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogQ3V0dGluZyAmIGJ1ZmZp bmcNCg0KDQpUaGlzIGlzIGEgbXVsdGktcGFydCBtZXNzYWdlIGluIE1JTUUgZm9ybWF0Lg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing From: ricksked@embarqmail.com V2VsbCB5b3UgY2FuIGRvIHdoYXQgSSdtIGRvaW5nLi4gTGVhcm5lZCBpdCBhdCBPU0ggbG9va2lu ZyBhdCBhIHRyaWNrIGZhc3QgYmFjayBSViA4LiBXaXBlIHByb3NlYWwgaW50byBlYWNoLiBSaXZl dCBsaW5lLi4uY2xlYW4gd2l0aCBNRUsuIFJlYWxseSBub3QgYXMgdGltZSBjb25zdW1pbmcgYXMg eW91IHRoaW5rLg0KDQpSaWNrLiBTDQpTZW50IHZpYSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5IGJ5IEFUJlQNCg0KLS0t LS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206ICJNY0dBTk4sIFJvbiIgPHJvbi5tY2dhbm5A YmFlc3lzdGVtcy5jb20+DQoNCkRhdGU6IEZyaSwgNyBOb3YgMjAwOCAxNjowMTozMSANClRvOiA8 cnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IEN1dHRpbmcgJiBi dWZmaW5nDQoNCg0KVGhpcyBpcyBhIG11bHRpLXBhcnQgbWVzc2FnZSBpbiBNSU1FIGZvcm1hdC4N Cg0K ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:52 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing From: "McGANN, Ron" Thanks John - great feedback. I am not using a clear coat - just a base of solid white, so no clear to pr otect from over zealous buffing. I have used 2000 grit wet on a DA sander followed up by Meguiars M105 Ultra Cut - truly amazing stuff. Works brilliantly on the composites, but a lit tle too aggressive on the rivet heads. cheers, Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Cox Sent: Fri 11/7/2008 4:31 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing 1500 to 2000 grit "wet" and dry. A discerning eye, a light loving touch, years of experience and the desire not to reshoot the work. After knocking about 50% to 75% of the natural clearcoat orange peel off , you read the white foam that floats off with the constant water rinse. Then, you buff it using no less than three different cuts of Mequire's compounds. One of our RV-10 dinners will feature the Mequires rep showing exactly that process. They leave Free samples. The real secret is to lay enough clearcoat to sacrifice over the color topcoat. Oh, did I mention that clearcoat adds weight, increases gloss, protects the topcoat too. I have had a lot better result with a poly foam pad rather than the lambs wool of my youth. My hotrod days are long gone and I have had my share of zealous over-buffing. I now know when to put down the tool and resort to elbow grease and Karate Kid moves. Compound ON/ Compound Off. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Cutting & buffing Ok, John Cox prompted the question when talking of Deems' spectacular paint job. How do you cut and buff without exposing rivet heads?? Most aircraft I have seen that have come out of a paint shop after some rework have too much paint removed over the rivet heads, leaving many nicely polished but unpainted.. In my paint job, I have a number of rivets where the paint has not flowed into the rivet countersink properly and look like they have 'black rings' around the rivet head. Not many, but very obvious in the White paint. What causes this and how to fix? There has really been precious little discussion in this forum about painting techniques and problems. Tim's site (as always) is a starting point, but what other sources of info are there?? Cheers, Ron 187, almost done painting "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. 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