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     0. 12:21 AM - Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 12:24 PM - Measuring Amp draw (gary)
     2. 02:18 PM - Re: Measuring Amp draw (Jim)
     3. 03:06 PM - Re: Measuring Amp draw (Jim)
     4. 04:56 PM - cool oil (lbgjb10)
     5. 05:24 PM - Re: Measuring Amp draw (gary)
     6. 05:25 PM - Re: Measuring Amp draw (gary)
     7. 06:05 PM - Re: cool oil (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     8. 06:06 PM - VP200 Load Planning Worksheet (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     9. 06:32 PM - Aftermarket RV-10 Interior Door Handles (Patrick Pulis)
    10. 06:48 PM - Re: Aftermarket RV-10 Interior Door Handles (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    11. 07:06 PM - HS Attachment Bar Clearance (Perry, Phil)
    12. 07:18 PM - Control Stick Grips (MauleDriver)
    13. 07:40 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Rene)
    14. 07:41 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Carl Froehlich)
    15. 07:43 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Patrick Pulis)
    16. 07:48 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Perry, Phil)
    17. 07:58 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Tim Olson)
    18. 08:17 PM -  Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning (David McNeill)
    19. 08:21 PM - Re: cool oil (Kevin Belue)
    20. 08:44 PM - Air box and alternate air door (David McNeill)
    21. 08:48 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Robin Marks)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution | 
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| Subject:  | Measuring Amp draw | 
      
      I have my amp meter set up as a load meter measuring the output of the
      alternator.  However, it reads about 40 amps after the battery is recharged.
      I don't have 40 amps worth of fuses in my panel so I suspect that the
      shunt/EFIS aren't giving me the correct reading.  Does anyone have a DC amp
      meter that they are willing to let me try to get an accurate reading so that
      I can confront the EFIS/engine monitor folks and get a correct correction
      factor applied?
      
      
      Or does someone have a better idea?
      
      
      Gary Specketer
      
      40274 Flying
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Measuring Amp draw | 
      
      
      Gary,
      
      I actually have a high current lab DC power supply that
      we could have used to check the shunt. I know we had a busy weekend,
      but we could have just connected up the power supply and had a known
      calibrated power feed to the airplane (via the alternator lead).
      
      It's pretty heavy, or I would consider shipping it to you to use.
      
      The other choice is to make a second calibrated shunt and put in
      series with the alternator lead. That's a lot easier to do.
      
      Jim C
      
      > I have my amp meter set up as a load meter
      measuring the output of the
      > alternator.  However, it reads about
      40 amps after the battery is
      > recharged.
      > I don't have
      40 amps worth of fuses in my panel so I suspect that the
      >
      shunt/EFIS aren't giving me the correct reading.  Does anyone have a DC
      > amp
      > meter that they are willing to let me try to get an
      accurate reading so
      > that
      > I can confront the
      EFIS/engine monitor folks and get a correct correction
      > factor
      applied?
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Or does someone have a
      better idea?
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Gary Specketer
      > 
      > 40274 Flying
      > 
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Measuring Amp draw | 
      
      
      you might also try this:
      
      http://store.solar-electric.com/mka-100-100.html
      
      You have two
      alternators, do you have two separate shunts?
      
      Jim C
      N312F,
      40192
      
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      Have louvers on sides and oil temps in hot summer are great--even in climbs.  However,
      in cold weather sometimes hard to get above 150 when it's really cold
      outside.  Any good suggestions for partially blocking--tape?? what will withstand
      engine heat and not melt??  Also have larger oil cooler.  thanks.  larry &
      gayle
      
      --------
      Larry and Gayle N104LG
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213410#213410
      
      
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| Subject:  | Measuring Amp draw | 
      
      I don't think the shunt is at fault, I think that the calibration in either
      the engine monitor or the EFIS is converting it to a wrong number.  The
      shunt is measured by the engine monitor and that info is fed to the EFIS.
      Somewhere in there is the problem IMHO.
      
      
      Gary
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:17 PM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: Measuring Amp draw
      
      
      Gary,
      
      I actually have a high current lab DC power supply that we could have used
      to check the shunt.  I know we had a busy weekend, but we could have just
      connected up the power supply and had a known calibrated power feed to the
      airplane (via the alternator lead).
      
      It's pretty heavy, or I would consider shipping it to you to use.
      
      The other choice is to make a second calibrated shunt and put in series with
      the alternator lead.   That's a lot easier to do.
      
      Jim C
      
      > I have my amp meter set up as a load meter measuring the output of the
      > alternator. However, it reads about 40 amps after the battery is
      > recharged.
      > I don't have 40 amps worth of fuses in my panel so I suspect that the
      > shunt/EFIS aren't giving me the correct reading. Does anyone have a DC
      > amp
      > meter that they are willing to let me try to get an accurate reading so
      > that
      > I can confront the EFIS/engine monitor folks and get a correct correction
      > factor applied?
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Or does someone have a better idea?
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Gary Specketer
      > 
      > 40274 Flying
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Measuring Amp draw | 
      
      Both Alternators feed into a common shunt.  Neal George has a clamp on amp
      meter, so I will try that first.
      
      
      Gary
      
      
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      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:06 PM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: Measuring Amp draw
      
      
      you might also try this:
      
      http://store.solar-electric.com/mka-100-100.html
      
      You have two alternators, do you have two separate shunts?
      
      Jim C
      N312F, 40192 
      
      
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        You can do the shutter Van's sells or the butterfly valve that someone else does
      (sorry, can't remember who offhand).  Both of those give you in flight adjustability
      rather than a static setting that tape gives you.  Of course that works
      too.
      
      Michael
      
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      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lbgjb10
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:55 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: cool oil
      
      
      Have louvers on sides and oil temps in hot summer are great--even in climbs.  However,
      in cold weather sometimes hard to get above 150 when it's really cold
      outside.  Any good suggestions for partially blocking--tape?? what will withstand
      engine heat and not melt??  Also have larger oil cooler.  thanks.  larry &
      gayle
      
      --------
      Larry and Gayle N104LG
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213410#213410
      
      
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| Subject:  | VP200 Load Planning Worksheet | 
      
      
      Anyone else doing a VP that can share their load planning sheets?  Marc, do you
      have any others besides the one posted to your site?
      
      Michael
      
      
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| Subject:  | Aftermarket RV-10 Interior Door Handles | 
      
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| Subject:  | Aftermarket RV-10 Interior Door Handles | 
      
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| Subject:  | HS Attachment Bar Clearance | 
      
      
      Hi,
      
      I'm currently fitting the longerons inside the tailcone.
      
      On page 10-6 Step 1, we're asked to remove an area of material for
      clearance of the HS attachment bars.
      
      Upon fitting, I'm finding that the HS attachment bars are touching the
      longerons.
      
      1) Is this acceptable?  I'm guessing not.
      
      2) I've continued to remove material from the longeron and right now I'm
      pushing 15/32 of removed material when the plans called for 11/32.  In
      order to get the HS attachment bars to easily clear, I'm guessing I'll
      have to removed another 2 or 3/32.  Is that a problem or should I just
      start over with a new longeron?
      
      Here are links to the photos.
      http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3395
      .jpg
      http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3396
      .jpg
      http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3397
      .jpg
      
      Thanks,
      Phil
      
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| Subject:  | Control Stick Grips | 
      
      
      OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think 
      I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot 
      ass.  Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...
      
      I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and 
      built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just 
      because they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through, 
      the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    
      I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.
      
      Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel 
      mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on 
      the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I 
      don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.
      
      I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips - 
      quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price 
      just doesn't matter here given the price range. 
      
      Bill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson
      
      
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| Subject:  | Control Stick Grips | 
      
      
      I went with the Infinity grips...very happy....
      
      First, my opinion, you must have the autopilot disconnect on the
      stick....just my opinion.  But when you need it you will need to have your
      hand on the stick and when the autopilot goes wacko you need to have your
      hand on the stick and throttle and not reaching for another switch....during
      testing I had a hard pitch over and was happy to have the switch on the
      stick.
      
      On the pilot side I have the following switch config...
      
      Left top, autopilot disconnect
      Hat switch, trims (elevator and aileron)
      Right top, flap
      Trigger, press to talk
      Thumb, Freq flip flop on SL30
      Pinky, Ident
      
      
      Rene'
      801-721-6080
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:18 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Control Stick Grips
      
      
      OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think 
      I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot 
      ass.  Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...
      
      I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and 
      built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just 
      because they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through, 
      the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    
      I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.
      
      Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel 
      mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on 
      the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I 
      don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.
      
      I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips - 
      quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price 
      just doesn't matter here given the price range. 
      
      Bill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson
      
      
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| Subject:  | Control Stick Grips | 
      
      
      I have the Infinity grip in my 8A, and will put it in the 10. 
      
      I find having the flaps on the stick to work well (toggle switch, momentary
      down, stays on in the up position).  In fact I would not recommend any other
      place.  The other functions used:
      1.  PTT
      2. Comm frequency flip flop.  I use this a lot.
      3.  Auto pilot disconnect.   This is real handy to engage the wing leveler
      without needing to divert your eyes or move a hand to the panel.  For
      straight stick flying I keep the auto pilot in wing leveler mode just for
      this reason. 
      4.  Trim hat.
      
      I originally had the starter button on the stick.  I found this problematic
      and have since move the starter button to a side panel.
      
      Carl Froehlich
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:18 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Control Stick Grips
      
      
      OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think 
      I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot 
      ass.  Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...
      
      I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and 
      built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just 
      because they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through, 
      the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    
      I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.
      
      Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel 
      mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on 
      the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I 
      don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.
      
      I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips - 
      quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price 
      just doesn't matter here given the price range. 
      
      Bill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Control Stick Grips | 
      
      Bill, check out the CS-8 stick grips made by CH Products.=C2- Check out t
      heir products at the Tosten Manufacturing website=C2-at www.tostenmanufac
      turing.com =0A=0AThese grips are functional and very comfortable for left a
      nd right had interchangeability.=C2- Hope this helps.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0AP
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      uleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>=0A=0AOK, I'm all torn up.=C2- The Infin
      ity grips are sexy but I just don't think I want all that function on the s
      tick.=C2- This is a cruiser not a hot ass.=C2- Heck, I'm a cruiser, not
       a hot ass, at least not any longer...=0A=0AI looked and played with the In
      finity grips at Osh.=C2- Nicely designed and built.=C2- Price is ok too
      .=C2- The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just because they looked s
      o stogy.=C2- But now that I've thought things through, the G305/G307 is l
      ooking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.=C2- =C2- I now wish 
      I had looked and played with them at Osh.=0A=0ASpecifically, I don't want m
      y flap switch on the stick - a single panel mount rocker is where I'm going
      .=C2- I do want a hat switch for my trim on the stick and of course a PTT
      .=C2- I've never flown with an autopilot so I don't really know about a a
      utopilot disco switch.=0A=0AI'm very interested in comparisons of the Infin
      ity and the RA grips - quality, comfort, RV10 fit.=C2- Also thoughts on s
      witch function.=C2- Price just doesn't matter here given the price range.
       =0ABill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson=0A
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| Subject:  | Control Stick Grips | 
      
      
      I'm really tempted to have mine carved out of hardwood.
      
      PTT and maybe elevator trim...  But like you, I'm hoping to make them
      look classy.
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: MauleDriver [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com] 
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:18 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Control Stick Grips
      
      
      OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think
      I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot ass.
      Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...
      
      I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and
      built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just
      because they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through,
      
      the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    
      I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.
      
      Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel
      mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on
      the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I
      don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.
      
      I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips -
      quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price
      just doesn't matter here given the price range. 
      
      Bill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Control Stick Grips | 
      
      
      I'd agree with Rene'.  As you know I have the Infinity grips,
      and it would be insane NOT to put an AP disconnect on the
      stick.  There are so many functions that would be convenient
      to put on a stick grip that even the infinity could use another
      switch or two if it could be done nicely.  So I wouldn't skimp
      on quantities of switches.  Chances are you'll find use for
      every one of them.
      
      Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
      do not archive
      
      
      Rene wrote:
      > 
      > I went with the Infinity grips...very happy....
      > 
      > First, my opinion, you must have the autopilot disconnect on the
      > stick....just my opinion.  But when you need it you will need to have your
      > hand on the stick and when the autopilot goes wacko you need to have your
      > hand on the stick and throttle and not reaching for another switch....during
      > testing I had a hard pitch over and was happy to have the switch on the
      > stick.
      > 
      > On the pilot side I have the following switch config...
      > 
      > Left top, autopilot disconnect
      > Hat switch, trims (elevator and aileron)
      > Right top, flap
      > Trigger, press to talk
      > Thumb, Freq flip flop on SL30
      > Pinky, Ident
      > 
      > 
      > Rene'
      > 801-721-6080
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
      > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:18 PM
      > To: RV10-List Digest Server
      > Subject: RV10-List: Control Stick Grips
      > 
      > 
      > OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think 
      > I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot 
      > ass.  Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...
      > 
      > I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and 
      > built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just 
      > because they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through, 
      > the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    
      > I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.
      > 
      > Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel 
      > mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on 
      > the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I 
      > don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.
      > 
      > I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips - 
      > quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price 
      > just doesn't matter here given the price range. 
      > 
      > Bill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning | 
      
      
      
      In order to continue to exercise your rights to contribute to the gene pool
      I suggest that proseal not be used to glue angles inside wings. Proseal is a
      sealant not an adhesive; hence it possible that a piece my come loose and
      interfere with control mechanisms. Jammed ailerons or asymmetrical flaps
      could ruin someone's day.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
      Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:22 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning
      
      
      Tom
      
      Thanks for the comments.
      
      I have thought about proseal as well. My only concern is I don't know how
      well the proseal will attach to my primer. I wouldn't want the angle to
      depart the skin and mess up the controls etc. My inclination would be to
      rivet the stiffner. With effort I can reach the square and use a pop rivet
      dimpler. Then again perhaps I am just being a bit to anal.
      
      Cheers
      
      Les
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
      Sent: November-09-08 8:03 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Cannnig
      
      
      Les,
      I went through the same thing.   I ended up using proseal to attach  a 6"
      piece of aluminum angle to the inside of the square that was oilcanning.
      
      Can't speak for final result as the plane hasn't flown yet but ground test
      (me pushing on panel) showed any canning was completely gone.
      
      Tom Hanaway
      Boynton Beach, FL
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213193#213193
      
      
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      Here is the website for the butterfly valve:
      
      http://www.nonstopaviation.com/rv10-controller-cooler-p-14566.html?osCsid=3b72614996a7569bab65773be35830a5
      
      Kevin Belue
      RV-6A Flying
      RV-10 Flying
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:04 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: cool oil
      
      
      > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      >
      >  You can do the shutter Van's sells or the butterfly valve that someone 
      > else does (sorry, can't remember who offhand).  Both of those give you in 
      > flight adjustability rather than a static setting that tape gives you.  Of 
      > course that works too.
      >
      > Michael
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lbgjb10
      > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:55 PM
      > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RV10-List: cool oil
      >
      >
      > Have louvers on sides and oil temps in hot summer are great--even in 
      > climbs.  However, in cold weather sometimes hard to get above 150 when 
      > it's really cold outside.  Any good suggestions for partially 
      > blocking--tape?? what will withstand engine heat and not melt??  Also have 
      > larger oil cooler.  thanks.  larry & gayle
      >
      > --------
      > Larry and Gayle N104LG
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213410#213410
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Air box and alternate air door | 
      
      Just pulled the cowl for first 100 hours inspection. Found the galvanized
      ring (VA192A) of the alternate air door partially pulled from the bottom of
      the air box. the rivets had pulled through the glass and the nut plate for
      the door pivot was holding it there. To fix this I fabricated an aluminum
      ring for the inside and match drilled the ring and galvanized ring. I
      cleaned the bottom with a scotchbrite pad and grinder and put two additional
      layers of glass on the bottom. I will epoxy putty the VA192A and the
      fabricated ring to the box and rivet (1097s) after cure. I will then add
      small dabs of RTV on the rivet buck tails on the inside to ensure that even
      if a rivet breaks, nothing will enter the injection system.
      
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| Subject:  | Control Stick Grips | 
      
      
      I vote for the Infinity. The Tosen grips look slick if you can live with
      less function. I had Infinity them on my 4 & 6A and now the -10. I also
      agree with the requirement for the AP disconnect as one of the most
      important functions at fingers reach. Picture approach control saying
      "Traffic Alert 1 mile turn 30 degrees left" It's nice NOT look down,
      just hit the red button and start turning. I also have PTT, Flip/Flop,
      dual trim. I don't have ident but would do so next time. 
      My 6A has the flaps on the stick and panel. I really liked the stick
      flaps (momentary down, full auto up- Great for Go-Arounds). I didn't do
      it on my -10 because of the preset stop option on the flaps.
      Please remember to "clock" your grip to suit your arm/hand angle for max
      comfort.
      
      Good luck,
      Robin  
      
      
 
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