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1. 12:30 AM - IFLYRV10.COM parts videos on youtube (Steven DiNieri)
2. 08:01 AM - February in Arizona (curtis groote)
3. 09:20 AM - Re: Measuring Amp draw (marcausman)
4. 09:22 AM - Re: VP200 Load Planning Worksheet (marcausman)
5. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning (LES KEARNEY)
6. 10:53 AM - Re: Control Stick Grips (MauleDriver)
7. 11:48 AM - Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning (tomhanaway)
8. 12:20 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (gary)
9. 03:44 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (Patrick Pulis)
10. 04:53 PM - Re: Air box and alternate air door (Dan Benua)
11. 05:49 PM - Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem (partner14)
12. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning (LES KEARNEY)
13. 08:56 PM - Ignition Harness for sale (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
14. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem (John Cox)
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| Subject: | IFLYRV10.COM parts videos on youtube |
Hi Listers,
I've started posting small videos of some of the parts I'm making on
youtube to get a better look at them.
Also A couple Quick announcements...
IFLYRV10.COM has partnered up with Cleveland Aircraft Tool as a
distributor for most all our products. they are already stocking the most
popular items.
New RV10 seat handle extensions are available and can be viewed at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwsvkJAIm0U
New RV10 Front Axle assembly is now available and can be viewed at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EHoDdL_X28
both new products will be on the website within the next day.
thanks for all your support
Steven DiNieri
IFLYRV10.COM
capsteve@iflyrv10.com
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| Subject: | February in Arizona |
I'll be down in Arizona for the month of February, probably Casa Grande or
near there.- Is there any problem leaving the -10 outside, unsheltered, t
hat time of the year?- I do have a canopy cover.
Any recommendations for places to fly to, to see or eat?- Thanks.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Measuring Amp draw |
Gary,
We saw the same thing with the shunts on my RV, prior to installing the VP-200.
The current draw based on the shunts, once stabilized, read about double of the
actual current (your mileage may vary). Once the VP-200 was installed (which
is calibrated at the factory) and could compare the two, it was clear that the
shunts needed calibrating. Problem is, most people don't have the capability
to do this and the manual didn't say they needed calibrating. We saw this with
a few beta customers too. So I suspect there are lots of people with shunts
that are not calibrated. Of course with the VP-200 you don't need to install
the shunts and this is a non-issue. :)
Also, you have both alternators going into a single shunt, which implies that they
are both wired to the same spot. Perhaps the switched side of the battery
contactor? My recommendation is to wire the backup alternator to the battery
side of the contactor, and the primary alternator to the switched side of the
contactor. Why? If you lose the battery contactor, then you can run the backup
alternator which is able to "see" the battery (needed to regulate itself).
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Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213522#213522
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| Subject: | Re: VP200 Load Planning Worksheet |
Michael, I've got a bunch. What configuration are you planning? Internal or external
voltage regualtors? What type of EFIS?
I'll sanitize any personal info and send you something that should be close.
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Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning |
David
While my contributions to the gene pool are now at an end, I would still like to
see how my contributions work out. To that end I will use rivets if that is
the correct solution. At this point I don't know if the stresses that cause the
oil canning are significant. I have spoken to Ken at Van's whose guidance was
to find out what is causing the problem and then fix that. He was surprised
that oil canning ocurred given the match drilled nature of the kit
I have a couple of other expert sources that I will tap into before I do anything.
Cheers
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning
>
>
> In order to continue to exercise your rights to contribute to
> the gene pool
> I suggest that proseal not be used to glue angles inside wings.
> Proseal is a
> sealant not an adhesive; hence it possible that a piece my come
> loose and
> interfere with control mechanisms. Jammed ailerons or
> asymmetrical flaps
> could ruin someone's day.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning
>
>
> Tom
>
> Thanks for the comments.
>
> I have thought about proseal as well. My only concern is I don't
> know how
> well the proseal will attach to my primer. I wouldn't want the
> angle to
> depart the skin and mess up the controls etc. My inclination
> would be to
> rivet the stiffner. With effort I can reach the square and use a
> pop rivet
> dimpler. Then again perhaps I am just being a bit to anal.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
> Sent: November-09-08 8:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Cannnig
>
> <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
> Les,
> I went through the same thing. I ended up using
> proseal to attach a 6"
> piece of aluminum angle to the inside of the square that was
> oilcanning.
> Can't speak for final result as the plane hasn't flown yet but
> ground test
> (me pushing on panel) showed any canning was completely gone.
>
> Tom Hanaway
> Boynton Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213193#213193
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Grips |
Thanks for all the great feedback! I love this list and I do contribute.
The most impressive thing about the Infinity grip is that people that
have put them in earlier a/c, are putting them in their '10s. And the
jet-gamer aesthetic is cool. 'Nuff said.
I'm still thinking through the function thing and I'm still leaning
towards FREQFUNC (frequently used functions) rather than HOTAS. Hat
switch, PTT, and autopilot disco are mandatory. Thinking through a
typical IFR CC, a freq flip/flop makes sense. I do that every 45mins or
so now and dreaming of doing it every 30mins or less in the future (see
RV grin here). An ident switch? I do that once every 2 or 3 flights.
Probably once a flight VFR. Doesn't need to be on the stick.
Flaps remain an open switch. At 17 I learned that the electric flaps
are on a switch next to the throttle (C150). Since then, I've flown
with a Johnson bar between the seats (Maule) , a sliding lever in my
left hand (LS6), and a rotating wheel with index stops going from -8 to
+90 (PIK20b). At 5X I'm regressing so a simple switch next to the
throttle should see me through dementia. Use it once a flight on the
way up and once on the way down. And as a former glider guider, I don't
do go-arounds.
While the Ray Allen stick grips aren't impressive in pics or on display,
I have to admit that the set I saw in a '10 looked pretty good. The
CS-8 from Tosten looks sexier (they're bi btw), have just enough
buttons, and could be a good choice. But does anyone have them? How's
the material selection and the fit and finish? I'm going to
investigate that one a bit more.
Bill "really enjoying building my own panel" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning |
Les,
I took a look at the panel. I'd have to agree that the proseal by itself is
not sufficient. At the same time, used in conjunction with rivets, I believe
it improves the contact between the panel and the brace (epoxy would probably
do the same thing).
In any event, may be a temperature change (not likely in Florida) but the minor
oil can is no longer in the panel even with brace removed.
Tom
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| Subject: | Control Stick Grips |
I do have the CH sticks and love them. Just enough buttons and not too
many. Good quality and you can adjust the rotation to suit your grip.
You won't be disappointed if you get them.
Gary Specketer
40274 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Control Stick Grips
Thanks for all the great feedback! I love this list and I do contribute.
The most impressive thing about the Infinity grip is that people that
have put them in earlier a/c, are putting them in their '10s. And the
jet-gamer aesthetic is cool. 'Nuff said.
I'm still thinking through the function thing and I'm still leaning
towards FREQFUNC (frequently used functions) rather than HOTAS. Hat
switch, PTT, and autopilot disco are mandatory. Thinking through a
typical IFR CC, a freq flip/flop makes sense. I do that every 45mins or
so now and dreaming of doing it every 30mins or less in the future (see
RV grin here). An ident switch? I do that once every 2 or 3 flights.
Probably once a flight VFR. Doesn't need to be on the stick.
Flaps remain an open switch. At 17 I learned that the electric flaps
are on a switch next to the throttle (C150). Since then, I've flown
with a Johnson bar between the seats (Maule) , a sliding lever in my
left hand (LS6), and a rotating wheel with index stops going from -8 to
+90 (PIK20b). At 5X I'm regressing so a simple switch next to the
throttle should see me through dementia. Use it once a flight on the
way up and once on the way down. And as a former glider guider, I don't
do go-arounds.
While the Ray Allen stick grips aren't impressive in pics or on display,
I have to admit that the set I saw in a '10 looked pretty good. The
CS-8 from Tosten looks sexier (they're bi btw), have just enough
buttons, and could be a good choice. But does anyone have them? How's
the material selection and the fit and finish? I'm going to
investigate that one a bit more.
Bill "really enjoying building my own panel" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Grips |
Bill, I have been showing the local guys here a sample of the CS-8 grip tha
t were sent out by the supplier a while back and other builders=C2-have a
ll been impressed.=0A=0AI received my two grips and relay deck this week an
d I'm=C2-very happy with the quality.=C2- In comparison to the grips fi
tted to the Cirrus SR-20 which I am currently flying, the CS-8 grips are be
tter in that they have a little more functionality, and=C2-they are reall
y comfortable.=0A=0AHope this helps with your selection.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0A
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om=0ASent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 5:18:20 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List
uleDriver@nc.rr.com>=0A=0AThanks for all the great feedback!=C2- I love t
his list and I do contribute.=0A=0AThe most impressive thing about the Infi
nity grip is that people that have put them in earlier a/c, are putting the
m in their '10s.=C2- And=C2- the jet-gamer aesthetic is cool.=C2- =C2
- 'Nuff said.=0A=0AI'm still thinking through the function thing and I'm
still leaning towards FREQFUNC (frequently used functions) rather than HOTA
S.=C2- Hat switch, PTT, and autopilot disco are mandatory.=C2- Thinking
through a typical IFR CC, a freq flip/flop makes sense.=C2- I do that ev
ery 45mins or so now and dreaming of doing it every 30mins or less in the f
uture (see RV grin here).=C2- An ident switch?=C2- I do that once every
2 or 3 flights.=C2- Probably once a flight VFR.=C2- Doesn't need to be
on the stick. =0AFlaps remain an open switch.=C2- At 17 I learned that t
he electric flaps are on a switch next to the throttle (C150).=C2- Since
then, I've flown with a Johnson bar between the seats (Maule) , a sliding l
ever in my left hand (LS6), and a rotating wheel with index stops going fro
m -8 to +90 (PIK20b). At 5X I'm regressing so=C2- a simple switch next to
the throttle should see me through dementia.=C2- Use it once a flight on
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I don't do go-arounds.=0A=0AWhile the Ray Allen stick grips aren't impressi
ve in pics or on display, I have to admit=C2- that the set I saw in a '10
looked pretty good.=C2- The CS-8 from Tosten looks sexier (they're bi bt
w), have just enough buttons, and could=C2- be a good choice.=C2- But d
oes anyone have them?=C2- How's the material selection and the fit and fi
nish?=C2- =C2- I'm going to investigate that one a bit more.=0A=0ABill
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| Subject: | Re: Air box and alternate air door |
I had the exact same failure on my RV-6A two years ago. In my
case, some pop-rivet mandrels were ingested by the engine
causing brief roughness, but no permanent damage. I complained
to Vans engineering about the design, but they were not interested.
Davids fix, using a backing ring and solid aluminum rivets, is just what
I did to repair my 6A and what I installed on my RV-10. In my opinion
there should be a Service Bulletin (and design change) on this
alternate air door. Maybe Tim could add the issue to his web page.
- Dan Benua
#40001 - Flying
> Just pulled the cowl for first 100 hours inspection. Found the galvanized
> ring (VA192A) of the alternate air door partially pulled from the bottom
of
> the air box. the rivets had pulled through the glass and the nut plate for
> the door pivot was holding it there. To fix this I fabricated an aluminum
> ring for the inside and match drilled the ring and galvanized ring. I
> cleaned the bottom with a scotchbrite pad and grinder and put two additional
> layers of glass on the bottom. I will epoxy putty the VA192A and the
> fabricated ring to the box and rivet (1097s) after cure. I will then add
> small dabs of RTV on the rivet buck tails on the inside to ensure that even
> if a rivet breaks, nothing will enter the injection system.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem |
Ok, attached are the pics.... but for some of you they're huge, sorry, haven't
messed with the conversion software.
I am awaiting one AN fitting, and then I can finish all the fuel lines and their
connections. Also, will then have pics of the scat routing.
This part had to be made from 3 pieces, welded, and then turned on a lathe. Still
working on a price... which is mostly determined by the interest. Hopefully,
we can make at least 10 at a time. So if interested, please let me know.
Rough price is between $40 and $70. The welding is the expensive part.
Don McDonald
#40636
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40636
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning |
Hi
Well I called my resident expert who lives half a country away - my younger brother.
After I explained my problem he gave me two very good solutions. First he
suggested I try to identify which row of rivets is causing the problem - there
may be some deformation / pillowing around the rivets in question. If not,
he suggested I remove some rivets and see if the oil canning is eliminated. If
the skin lifts off the underling structure a possible solution is to use a thin
shim (tapered at each end) to fill the void. This will eliminate the stress
causing the oil canning.
Another solution, if the oil canning is slight, is to rivet on a stiffner that
has a slight curve. He referred to this as "antipanting" - a British term.
We also discussed the possible cause of the problem. I suspect I didn't have enough
clecoes installed during rivetting due in large part to the rivet pattern
I was using.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - some assembly required
----- Original Message -----
From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning
> David
>
> While my contributions to the gene pool are now at an end, I
> would still like to see how my contributions work out. To that
> end I will use rivets if that is the correct solution. At this
> point I don't know if the stresses that cause the oil canning
> are significant. I have spoken to Ken at Van's whose guidance
> was to find out what is causing the problem and then fix that.
> He was surprised that oil canning ocurred given the match
> drilled nature of the kit
>
> I have a couple of other expert sources that I will tap into
> before I do anything.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:26 pm
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> <dlm46007@cox.net>>
> >
> > In order to continue to exercise your rights to contribute to
> > the gene pool
> > I suggest that proseal not be used to glue angles inside
> wings.
> > Proseal is a
> > sealant not an adhesive; hence it possible that a piece my
> come
> > loose and
> > interfere with control mechanisms. Jammed ailerons or
> > asymmetrical flaps
> > could ruin someone's day.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
> Kearney> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:22 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Canning
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Thanks for the comments.
> >
> > I have thought about proseal as well. My only concern is I
> don't
> > know how
> > well the proseal will attach to my primer. I wouldn't want the
> > angle to
> > depart the skin and mess up the controls etc. My inclination
> > would be to
> > rivet the stiffner. With effort I can reach the square and use
> a
> > pop rivet
> > dimpler. Then again perhaps I am just being a bit to anal.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> tomhanaway> Sent: November-09-08 8:03 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Angst- Oil Cannnig
> >
> > <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
> > Les,
> > I went through the same thing. I ended up using
> > proseal to attach a 6"
> > piece of aluminum angle to the inside of the square that was
> > oilcanning.
> > Can't speak for final result as the plane hasn't flown yet but
> > ground test
> > (me pushing on panel) showed any canning was completely gone.
> >
> > Tom Hanaway
> > Boynton Beach, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213193#213193
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lists This Month --
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> = -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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> > RV10-List Email Forum -
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| Subject: | Ignition Harness for sale |
Champion Ignition Harness for sale, unused in box
#CH12154E from Spruce
Paid $438.95 originally
Make an offer . . .
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem |
Don, those are beautiful and it is a thrill to watch Steve's Utube and
your post showing how to dress up the RV-10.
Keep up the great work. I will start the confirmation list offline for
bandwidth consideration.
John Cox
40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem
<building_partner@yahoo.com>
Ok, attached are the pics.... but for some of you they're huge, sorry,
haven't messed with the conversion software.
I am awaiting one AN fitting, and then I can finish all the fuel lines
and their connections. Also, will then have pics of the scat routing.
This part had to be made from 3 pieces, welded, and then turned on a
lathe. Still working on a price... which is mostly determined by the
interest. Hopefully, we can make at least 10 at a time. So if
interested, please let me know. Rough price is between $40 and $70.
The welding is the expensive part.
Don McDonald
#40636
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40636
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