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1. 05:03 AM - Re: Pitot (Gretz heated) (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Pitot (Gretz heated) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 11:02 AM - Re: Pitot (Gretz heated) & AOA placeement ? (Dave Saylor)
4. 02:57 PM - Re: RV10 nose wheel (Carl Froehlich)
5. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: RV10 nose wheel (Kevin Belue)
6. 05:15 PM - Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem (woxofswa)
7. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem (Don McDonald)
8. 08:03 PM - Latest Ram Air update (Deems Davis)
9. 08:18 PM - Re: Control Stick Grips (nukeflyboy)
10. 10:40 PM - Re: Latest Ram Air update (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot (Gretz heated) |
Mike,
I have the Gretz pitot tube and here are a few photos of where I
installed it and the controller board. As you can see from photo 2 it's
right near the tie down ring. It's very easy to access, just take off
the inspection plate and reach in. I've not had any difficulty with it
being placed here.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Subject: Pitot (Gretz heated) & AOA placeement ?
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
I know that this has been discussed a while back, but there are a
lot more planes
out there now and a larger experience base.
Most people seem to put the Pitot in the bay one rib inside or one
rib outside
the aileron push rods. This is logical, but a bit difficult for
maintenance. Especially
with the more complex Gretz heated pitot unit. What have been your
experiences??
What about positioning the Pitot just inside the wing tip? Ron H.
had one positioned
outboard like that at OSH. It would have great access for
maintenance (just
remove the 42 wingtip screws). Would this location induce any
airspeed errors.
Ditto for the placement of the AFS purchased AOA system?
All input is appreciated........
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Pitot (Gretz heated) |
Several people also moved it out to the second bay or so from the wingtip
. This makes it very accessible.
Michael
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pitot (Gretz heated)
Mike,
I have the Gretz pitot tube and here are a few photos of where I installed
it and the controller board. As you can see from photo 2 it's right near th
e tie down ring. It's very easy to access, just take off the inspection pla
te and reach in. I've not had any difficulty with it being placed here.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Subject:
Pitot (Gretz heated) & AOA placeement ?
From:
"AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net<mailto:Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>
I know that this has been discussed a while back, but there are a lot
more planes
out there now and a larger experience base.
Most people seem to put the Pitot in the bay one rib inside or one ri
b outside
the aileron push rods. This is logical, but a bit difficult for maint
enance. Especially
with the more complex Gretz heated pitot unit. What have been your ex
periences??
What about positioning the Pitot just inside the wing tip? Ron H. had
one positioned
outboard like that at OSH. It would have great access for maintenanc
e (just
remove the 42 wingtip screws). Would this location induce any airspee
d errors.
Ditto for the placement of the AFS purchased AOA system?
All input is appreciated........
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Pitot (Gretz heated) & AOA placeement ? |
I mounted mine to the outboard inspection panel. I put the circuit board
there too on some simple stand-offs, and it's been working fine.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Pitot (Gretz heated) & AOA placeement ?
I know that this has been discussed a while back, but there are a lot more
planes out there now and a larger experience base.
Most people seem to put the Pitot in the bay one rib inside or one rib
outside the aileron push rods. This is logical, but a bit difficult for
maintenance. Especially with the more complex Gretz heated pitot unit. What
have been your experiences??
What about positioning the Pitot just inside the wing tip? Ron H. had one
positioned outboard like that at OSH. It would have great access for
maintenance (just remove the 42 wingtip screws). Would this location induce
any airspeed errors. Ditto for the placement of the AFS purchased AOA
system?
All input is appreciated........
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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I did something like this on my stock RV-8A nose gear by using a left over
piece of steel aileron connecting rod tubing slid over the bearing bolt on
the inside of the wheel. I trimmed the tubing until it provided a good fit
on the bearings with the nut on the bearing bolt tighten. This ended my
nose gear shimmy problem. I'll do the same on the RV-10.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Belue
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 nose wheel
I don't know how well everyone's nose wheel/axle is working but Grove has a
nice setup for the RV-10 as well as other models. I installed their nose
wheel kit on my RV-6A and it is much better than the stock configuration. I
can move the plane much easier and it lands better, without shimmy. I really
don't like the Matco bearing configuration - the Grove has a standard
bearing/seal like the main wheels. Their kits include wheel and axle
hardware:
http://www.groveaircraft.com/rvnose.html
Kevin Belue
RV-6A Flying
RV-10 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 nose wheel |
Oh, I didn't intend my message to be a commercial plug. I'm not connected
with Grove in any way, I just think their wheel and bearing solution is the
correct way to build it. Their nose wheel is made like the main gear
wheels - there isn't any rubber seal on the bearing. The bearings are
installed with a felt dust seal and a snap ring. They also supply an axle
and spacers so that you tighten the axle to preload the bearings like you do
on a car. The spacers have a pin that you install in the yoke which prevents
them from moving. My Matco wheel would not spin by itself when I spun it
with the nose wheel held off the ground. I installed the Grove wheel and it
continued to spin freely after turning it by hand. I also noticed that my
plane was easier to move when I push it into the hangar. There is a lot of
talk on Van's Airforce website forums about this wheel on the 2-seat RV's.
I've just wondered why it seems no one is using the Grove wheel on the
RV-10. I think it would correct the problems with the spacers moving around
with the Matco wheel.
Note: the shimmy I referred to is on an RV-6A; RV-10's don't do that as far
as I've seen.
Kevin Belue
----- Original Message -----
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 nose wheel
>
> Ahhhh. A blatant commercial plug......
>
> But a seemingly good one.
>
> I had not heard of this as a problem (shimmy) but please elaborate more.
> What does the Grove unit do better than the stock Vans setup? Does it
> eliminate the axle bolt which seems kind of rinky-dink and a weak link?
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213894#213894
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem |
Don,
Okay, I'm slow, but I'm not getting how recessing the fuel selector into the tunnel
cover helps with the scat tube situation.
What am I missing?
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem |
I just picked up the last AN fitting needed to finish the fuel lines.- Th
en I'll hook everything up and run the scat tubing.- I believe by moving
the valve forward 5", there will be plenty of room to run the scat below th
e existing Van tunnel,-and to the right of the fuel valve.- We'll see t
omorrow....- I'll take some pictures.- Thanks again for the hospitality
at Copperstate.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 11/13/08, woxofswa <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
From: woxofswa <woxof@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Selector Mounting and Scat Problem
Don,
Okay, I'm slow, but I'm not getting how recessing the fuel selector
into the tunnel cover helps with the scat tube situation.
What am I missing?
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Latest Ram Air update |
I'm doggedly working my way through 'Final Assembly' and a seemingly
endless 'punch list'. A lot of nitty detailed things that don't provide
a lot of 'feedback' However today was different. while I was @ OSH I
ran into Rod Bower http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/default.htm
who built the Ram Air system I'm using.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC05667.html
Rod was there with what turned out to be his award winning (Lindy) RV-8
on display. It is truly a thing of beauty, and Rod is a MASTER BUILDER !.
http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm
While we were talking he showed me an update he has made to his Ram Air
system. For those of you with updraft induction, this is probably not of
interest, But for any of you that have a forward facing Fuel servo. And
are looking for some free added power this is definitely something you
should consider. I thought the original design was one of the most
cleverly engineered items I had come across during my build and my
personal search of 'best of breed'. His unit satisfies 3 different modes
of induction with the same device, 1. Filtered Air. 2. Alternate Air, 3.
Ram Air. But this latest update is an improvement on the design and
adds an additional margin of safety for the alternate air mode. AND
it's really PRETTY !!!
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC06930.html
I've got no interest in Rod's business other than a very satisfied
customer who wants to see him succeed and continue to be an asset to the
builder community. I can't verify this personally ( at least not for a
short while!) But other that have installed his system report seeing
anywhere from 1" to 1 1/2" increase of MP when the Ram Air is opened.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Grips |
I also have the infinity grips. Another function to consider on the grip is to
turn off the traffic or terrain warnings when they are unwanted and distracting.
If you get the infinities, mount them so they are clocked inboard about 15-20 degrees,
not in line with the stick. This will keep your wrist from being bent
back.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Latest Ram Air update |
I can attest to the beauty of Rod's RV-8. I revisited the thing 4 or 5
times during OSH just to take it all in. He is quite a builder.
Regarding the RAM air system one has to be very careful as to what you
are ordering. Deems & I have almost the exact same engine but my
injector body opening I something like 0.5" larger than Deems which can
be an issue. Also worth mentioning is the significant cowl mod to get
these units to work as intended. See Deems cowl mod as an example.
That being said with the BPE forward facing cold induction system and
RAM air we are getting something like 29" of MP in some phases of
flight. That is filtered RAM air.
Robin
Do Not Archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Latest Ram Air update
I'm doggedly working my way through 'Final Assembly' and a seemingly
endless 'punch list'. A lot of nitty detailed things that don't provide
a lot of 'feedback' However today was different. while I was @ OSH I
ran into Rod Bower http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/default.htm
who built the Ram Air system I'm using.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC05667.ht
ml
Rod was there with what turned out to be his award winning (Lindy) RV-8
on display. It is truly a thing of beauty, and Rod is a MASTER BUILDER
!.
http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm
While we were talking he showed me an update he has made to his Ram Air
system. For those of you with updraft induction, this is probably not of
interest, But for any of you that have a forward facing Fuel servo. And
are looking for some free added power this is definitely something you
should consider. I thought the original design was one of the most
cleverly engineered items I had come across during my build and my
personal search of 'best of breed'. His unit satisfies 3 different modes
of induction with the same device, 1. Filtered Air. 2. Alternate Air, 3.
Ram Air. But this latest update is an improvement on the design and
adds an additional margin of safety for the alternate air mode. AND
it's really PRETTY !!!
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC06930.html
I've got no interest in Rod's business other than a very satisfied
customer who wants to see him succeed and continue to be an asset to the
builder community. I can't verify this personally ( at least not for a
short while!) But other that have installed his system report seeing
anywhere from 1" to 1 1/2" increase of MP when the Ram Air is opened.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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