---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/17/08: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - Re: scat tube (Jesse Saint) 2. 08:04 AM - Measuring spar bolt hole spacing (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 3. 08:17 AM - Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (Les Kearney) 4. 08:33 AM - Re: Measuring spar bolt hole spacing (Jim Berry) 5. 11:26 AM - Fuselage before wings? (Perry, Phil) 6. 11:52 AM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (John Gonzalez) 7. 12:12 PM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (Bob Leffler) 8. 12:12 PM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (Les Kearney) 9. 12:13 PM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (Ben Westfall) 10. 12:18 PM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (Douglas, Brian S) 11. 02:05 PM - Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (Bill Cannon) 12. 02:34 PM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (Perry, Phil) 13. 03:57 PM - plexiglass cleaning (greghale) 14. 04:15 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (Kelly McMullen) 15. 04:24 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (John Gonzalez) 16. 04:41 PM - Rod Bowers Ram Air (Lee Otto) 17. 04:53 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (Tim Olson) 18. 04:58 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (David McNeill) 19. 05:09 PM - Rivethead aero door pin install video (tomhanaway) 20. 05:32 PM - Re: Rod Bowers Ram Air (Deems Davis) 21. 06:13 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (Kelly McMullen) 22. 06:50 PM - Garmin 496 for sale (cloudvalley@COMCAST.NET) 23. 07:14 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (John Gonzalez) 24. 09:27 PM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (woxofswa) 25. 09:31 PM - Re: plexiglass cleaning (Vernon Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:35 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: scat tube 4" Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:39 PM, "lbgjb10" wrote: > > whats the standard size scat tube that runs to to the oil cooler--3 > or 4 inches?? > > -------- > Larry and Gayle N104LG > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214608#214608 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:17 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Measuring spar bolt hole spacing From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Listers: I'm not able to get to the hangar right now. Could someone who's working on their kit today measure the center-to-center hole spacing for the spar bolt holes, either in the end of their spar, or the fuselage spar bulkhead assembly? Much obliged . . . TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:57 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School Hi Noting JC's lament about the list being quiet, I thought I would try to fix that. Over the week end I attended Dave Saylors composite class in Watsonville Ca. The weather was great and the instruction invaluable. It was very much a hands on course and Dave spoke about the materials we would be using on the -10. More importantly, he spoke about the various fibreglass components we would be working on and provided specific guidance on what to do. Jeff Carpenter "lent" his fuse / canopy to the class and we watch how Chuy (sp?) and Harold fit the canopy in two (count 'em two) tries. Once you understand the geometry and the process, it doesn't seem all that difficult. Dave also spoke on how to fit the doors as well as the windows including how to avoid a bulge where the window is glassed in near the front door frame at the tip of the fuse. To boot, I got to meet a number of builders and see John Jansen again. If you are a fibreglass neophyte or new to the 10, the course is well worth the trip. Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - some assembly required. PS: As a look at the falling snow, I wish I was back in California... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:14 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Measuring spar bolt hole spacing From: "Jim Berry" Tim, Top to bottom is 7 1/8". Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214700#214700 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:53 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? From: "Perry, Phil" Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the wings? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recover. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc. The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:29 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? I agree that the fuse has much more to do and will keep you busy for a long time...but down side=2C you will be spending a lot more money on all the s tuff you will be doing. John G. Do Not Archive Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings?Date: Mon=2C 17 Nov 2008 11:24:58 -0800From: Phil.Perry@netapp.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the win gs? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertai nty ahead of us=2C I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings=2C I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase i n a few months. If I bought a fuse=2C I could keep busy for a longer perio d of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recov er. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel=2C static=2C control systems=2C etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's=2C etc=2C etc=2C etc. The more I think about it=2C the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tas ks=2C instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:22 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Yes, the part of the spar for the fuselage comes in the wing kit. I suspect you can make arrangements to purchase it outside of the kit. If economics is an issue, why not just go normal build, save the QB fees and take a little longer? The wings aren't that difficult, just a lot of repetitive tasks. Although I will admit know that I'm just finishing the wings myself, I think the fuselage build will be more enjoyable since it will start looking like an aircraft quickly. The fuselage may also require more investment for instruments, engine, etc. I don't think order is significant. You should be able to do either successfully with proper coordination with Van's to get all the necessary parts. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the wings? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recover. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc. The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:22 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Phill I bought the fuse (slow build) before my QB wings. The QB wings are pretty quick to complete - only two skins and some conduit to run. Everything else riveting wise is done. If you get the slow build fuse, be sure to let them know that you have not done the wings. You will need the Center Section of the wings as it goes through the fuse. As well, the wing bolts come with the wings and you will need these as well. What you can do, is get some el cheapo bolts and save the close tolerance bolts for when you attach the wings - this is what I did. A slow build fuse will keep you occupied for a while to be sure. I wanted to do the fuse as it is a major bit of kit to construct and I though the experience would be a good thing - it was. Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - some assembly required. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: November-17-08 12:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the wings? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recover. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc. The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:52 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? You'll need to get the center wing spar section that comes with the wing kit. Without it you cannot get very far. It takes about 6mo to get the fuse to the quickbuild point. Big dollar items follow that pretty quickly. -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the wings? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recover. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc. The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3619 (20081117) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:26 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? From: "Douglas, Brian S" That's the route I took and for nearly the same reason. It seemed like I'd be done with the QB wings before I had time to save up for the fuselage kit. On the other hand, there's lots of stuff to keep you busy in the fuse kit while you save up for QB wings. -Brian Iowa City, IA #40497 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the wings? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recover. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc. The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:14 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School From: "Bill Cannon" Ditto. Great class. Well worth it. It was a little early for me to take since I am just starting the tailcone but I thought it would ease some anxiety associated with my non knowledge of composites. It did that and much more. Great class, great rides in Dave's 10 and a free hat to boot. Thanks again Dave, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214760#214760 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:57 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? From: "Perry, Phil" Thanks everyone for the responses. Brian: Did Vans work with you on the center wing carry through??? Thanks, Phil ________________________________ From: Douglas, Brian S [mailto:brian-douglas@uiowa.edu] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? That's the route I took and for nearly the same reason. It seemed like I'd be done with the QB wings before I had time to save up for the fuselage kit. On the other hand, there's lots of stuff to keep you busy in the fuse kit while you save up for QB wings. -Brian Iowa City, IA #40497 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings? Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the wings? I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better option. If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time to recover. I could: 1) Finish the fuse kit. 2) Join it to the tail cone. 3) Fit the canopy area. 4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc. 5) Run wiring 6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc. The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle. Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings??? Phil http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning From: "greghale" OK I know I have probably done the bad deed, but I used a combination of masking tape and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows while I was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a product I can use to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and windshield. The duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year. Thanks...Greg -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:05 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning Isopropyl alcohol, high purity, 90% or better. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM, greghale wrote: > > OK I know I have probably done the bad deed, but I used a combination of masking tape and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows while I was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a product I can use to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and windshield. The duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year. > > Thanks...Greg > > -------- > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH > www.nwacaptain.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:18 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning If denatured alcohol doesn't work get a plexiglass cleaner=2C it has some f orm of petroleum distilates that microscopically clean craze lines from the plexi glass and it might also remove the duct tape adhessive. I have had no problems using the denatured alcohol=2C but maybe others can chime in. John G.> Subject: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning> From: ghale5224@aol.com> RV10-List message posted by: "greghale" > > OK I know I have probably done the bad deed=2C but I used a combination of masking tap e and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows while I was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a product I can use to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and windshield. Th e duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year.> > Thanks...Greg> > --------> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH> www.nwacaptain.com> > > > > Read this t opic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#2 ====================> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:06 PM PST US From: "Lee Otto" Subject: RV10-List: Rod Bowers Ram Air Can anyone who's installed Rod Bowers Ram Air on their IO-540 tell me if they were able to do so with a forward facing sump or a simple elbow on the stock sump to face forward without going to the expense of adding a full cold air induction system? Also do you have a picture of your Ram Air installation with the lower cowl off? Best, Lee Otto Baggage and door. lotto@ciembroidery.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:05 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning Kerosene. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive greghale wrote: > > OK I know I have probably done the bad deed, but I used a combination > of masking tape and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my > windows while I was doing some body work. You probably already know > that the duct tape left globs of adhesive behind when I tried > removing it. Is there a product I can use to remove the adhesive > safely without destroying my windows and windshield. The duct tape > has been on the windows for almost a year. > > Thanks...Greg > > -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:51 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning Plexus _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning If denatured alcohol doesn't work get a plexiglass cleaner, it has some form of petroleum distilates that microscopically clean craze lines from the plexi glass and it might also remove the duct tape adhessive. I have had no problems using the denatured alcohol, but maybe others can chime in. John G. > Subject: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning > From: ghale5224@aol.com > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:53:07 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > OK I know I have probably done the bad deed, but I used a combination of masking tape and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows while I was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a product I can use to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and windshield. The duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year. > > Thanks...Greg > > -------- > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH > www.nwacaptain.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784 > > > > > > > > Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >================= > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:49 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead aero door pin install video From: "tomhanaway" Apparently the installation video that was on YouTube showing the installation of the pins and catch block has been removed. Does anyone have an alternative source for the video instructions? As several posts have mentioned, no instructions come with the door pin equipment from Rivethead Aero. Thanks, Tom Hanaway Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214800#214800 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:00 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rod Bowers Ram Air I don't know the answer to your question, but a call to either Rod himself @ (559) 972-6291 or Don Rivera @ Airflow Performance 864 576 4512 should provide you with whether an adapter is available. AFP has and supplies a wide variety of elbow adapters, and Don will know which will or won't fit the 540 sump and the AFP FI. They are both great and easy guys to talk to, and won't BS you by trying to talk over your head. Here's some pics of my installation: http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC06922.html follow the 'next picture' links there should be about 8 more pictures Deems Lee Otto wrote: > Can anyone who's installed Rod Bowers Ram Air on their IO-540 tell me > if they were able to do so with a forward facing sump or a > simple elbow on the stock sump to face forward without going to the > expense of adding a full cold air induction system? Also do you have > a picture of your Ram Air installation with the lower cowl off? > > > Best, > > > > Lee Otto > > Baggage and door. > > lotto@ciembroidery.com > > > > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:17 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning I would avoid denatured alcohol, as it contains methanol. Either Isopropyl or as Tim suggested, kerosene are safe for plexi. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > If denatured alcohol doesn't work get a plexiglass cleaner, it has some form > of petroleum distilates that microscopically clean craze lines from the > plexi glass and it might also remove the duct tape adhessive. > > I have had no problems using the denatured alcohol, but maybe others can > chime in. > > John G. > >> Subject: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning >> From: ghale5224@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:53:07 -0800 >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> >> >> OK I know I have probably done the bad deed, but I used a combination of >> masking tape and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows while I >> was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left >> globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a product I can >> use to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and >> windshield. The duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year. >> >> Thanks...Greg >> >> -------- >> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH >> www.nwacaptain.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >================= >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:26 PM PST US From: cloudvalley@COMCAST.NET Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 496 for sale Hello, =C2- I am Brian Preston. My wife Ruth and I started building the RV-10 wi th the tail section=C2-finished in a class with Mike Abel (Air MIke) =C2 -in Eugene. We have since sold it, and now own a certified aircraft until our house sells, and will see what's out there at that time. =C2-In the meantime, we have a Garmin 496 we bought=C2- five months ago (used it only 8 times). We are selling it for $1895. Everything is with th e unit that came in the box. It still looks new, and we=C2- put a screen protector on it the first day we bought it. We love it but we got hooked by a Garmin 696 at the AOPA EXPO in San Jose. =C2-If anyone in the group is interested you can e-mail me or Ruth at clo udvalley@comcast.net . We are in Eugene, Oregon. Our home phone is (531) 99 8-2755; my cell is (541) 520-7058. Thank you. Brian Preston ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:05 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning Okay=2C it has been quite a number of years since my organic chemistry days =2C but indeed denatured alcohol may have methanol added to the ethanol so that it cannot be easily converted to drinkable ethanol=2C but basically me thanol is just a primary alcohol containing only one carbon atom=2C four hy drogen and one oxygen. Isopropyl alcohol has three carbon atoms=2C eight hy drogens and one oxygen. Isopropyl comes in different purities=2C some with higher water concentrations than others. One more distilled then other.I wo uld think that ethanol=2C denatured alcohol=2C or high or low grade isoprop yl would all be safe for plexi...at least that has been my experience with my RV 10=2C all my RC airplanes and the plastic canopies on my Ravell and M onogram plastic models as a kid. Has someone had a bad experience with meth anol=2C not to be confused with methane...your spouse's gas after that rich dinner. Thanks for bringing me back to my organic chemistry atom model bui lding days in undergrad.Now I just build teeth and planes=2C what ever happ ened to all that knowledge I once had...so sad! John G> Date: Mon=2C 17 Nov 2008 19:12:19 -0700> From: apilot2@gmail.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning> > --> RV10-List message poste d by: "Kelly McMullen" > > I would avoid denatured alcoh ol=2C as it contains methanol. Either> Isopropyl or as Tim suggested=2C ker osene are safe for plexi.> > On Mon=2C Nov 17=2C 2008 at 5:21 PM=2C John Go nzalez wrote:>> If denatured alcohol doesn't work get a plexiglass cleaner=2C it has some form>> of petroleum distilates that microscopically clean craze lines from the>> plexi glass and it might also remove the duct tape adhessive.>>>> I have had no problems using the denat ured alcohol=2C but maybe others can>> chime in.>>>> John G.>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning>>> From: ghale5224@aol.com>>> Date: Mon=2C 1 7 Nov 2008 15:53:07 -0800>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com>>>>>> --> RV10-Lis t message posted by: "greghale" >>>>>> OK I know I have probably done the bad deed=2C but I used a combination of>>> masking tape a nd duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows while I>>> was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left>>> globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a product I can>>> u se to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and>>> winds hield. The duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year.>>>>>> Thank s...Greg>>>>>> -------->>> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH>>> www.nwacaptain.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.co m/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C>> >========= =========> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:30 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuselage before wings? From: "woxofswa" I bought the fuse kit first. Van's is easy to work with on it and said that the option is becoming more and more popular. The center spar kit is aprrox $1300 and packs within the fuse kit. 1/8 inch toggle bolts inside standard automotive fuel line make perfect dummy wing bolts for contruction. I would rather have the real bolts virgin for final assembly anyway. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214830#214830 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:35 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning A product I have used is 5 star Brand Wax & Grease Remover #5900. I bought it from an Auto Quest's paint shop. It was recommended to me by an A&P when I had some old paint over spray to remove from a Cessna 150 window. Not sure what it is other than being petroleum based. Pr obably just a good grade of kerosene=2C like Tim recommended. Vern Smith (#324 fairings) do not archive > Subject: RV10-List: plexiglass cleaning > From: ghale5224@aol.com > Date: Mon=2C 17 Nov 2008 15:53:07 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > OK I know I have probably done the bad deed=2C but I used a combination o f masking tape and duct tape to retain the plastic sheet on my windows whil e I was doing some body work. You probably already know that the duct tape left globs of adhesive behind when I tried removing it. Is there a produc t I can use to remove the adhesive safely without destroying my windows and windshield. The duct tape has been on the windows for almost a year. > > Thanks...Greg > > -------- > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH > www.nwacaptain.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214784#214784 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious emai l. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safe ty_112008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.