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0. 12:20 AM - What Members Are Saying... (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:33 AM - Re: Rod Bowers Ram Air (jkreidler)
2. 06:24 AM - Painting (Lew Gallagher)
3. 08:45 AM - For Sale (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: Rivethead aero door pin install video (Steven DiNieri)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Fuselage before wings? (Douglas, Brian S)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (John Jessen)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: Rivethead aero door pin install video (tomhanaway)
8. 12:19 PM - GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10 (Tim Olson)
9. 12:25 PM - Re: GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 12:43 PM - Re: GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10 (Tim Olson)
11. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (John Jessen)
12. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (Rene Felker)
13. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (Bob Leffler)
14. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (Ben Westfall)
15. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (John Cox)
16. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (Les Kearney)
17. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (John Cumins)
18. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (John Gonzalez)
19. 07:25 PM - FW: Cowl attachments (John Barrett)
20. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School (McGANN, Ron)
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| Subject: | Re: Rod Bowers Ram Air |
Lee, we have the Rod Bower Ram Air installed on a 'standard' IO540, vertical draft
induction. There is an elbow available from Airflow Performance that Rod
sent us to try, these elbows will not work. They push the front of the intake
too far forward, and will not leave enough room for the cowl. We made a fiberglass
elbow that attaches to the throttle body in the standard vertical orientation,
then makes about a 100 degree turn to meet the ram air intake. Hopefully
the pictures attached show it well.
Keep in mind when we did our install it was with Rod's 'old' design, I have no
idea what needs to happen for his new design. We also had to shorten the front
of the ram air intake to make it work.
Our objective was to not modify the cowl to make the system work, we are using
a James Cowl, with the standard induction position, not the cold air induction
position.
I like the concept behind the system, Rod was nothing but helpful. I will admit
that after putting in dozens of hours making this work I did start to question
my sanity. Not flying yet, no proof it was, or was not worth it.
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4 Partner Build - Finishing
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Hey Guys,
Since it's a little slow, I'll post some pictures of the last couple of weekends
of paint work. We went with acrylic enamel -- wish we'd used urethane, but
it's done now. This is in my back yard shop.
We decided to go simple and quick with the cowl pin on this one, and with the screw
head painted, it almost disappears, so we're pleased with it. I just looped
the end of the pin around, welded it, counter sunk it, and glassed in the
recessed area around the nut plate. One thing I did that others may question
(feel free) was to open up the ears on the hinge pin so that I can get the pin
in and out more easily. To do this, I took the hinge pin before cutting it to
length and flatted a place about two inches back from the tapered end, then
put the other end in my drill and fed the pin into the hinges as a reamer. Then
I cut off the excess flatted end, re tapered it and cut the pin to size --
it works great now. I got tired of trying to figure out which ears were binding,
or trying to sand down the pin itself.
After hearing others talk of trying to fill rivet heads, I decided to load up on
primer along the rivet lines. I'm using self etch primer on the bare aluminum,
then 2K epoxy primer to sand, so I loaded up on both on the rivet lines.
After sanding (carefully with a 5" random orbital sander) the rivets all but disappear
with final paint (three coats of white). We'll see if they work through
eventually after it's in flight, but for now it is really slick.
I need to have 60 degrees to shoot and it's been in the 30's lately, so for the
other wing and the fuse, I'll be trying to catch warmer days or wait until Spring.
I'll include one shot of how I suspended the wing -- on the spar end, it's a small
block and tackle, on the other it's left over pvc drain pipe on a hook in
the ceiling. The wing has enough mass that it doesn't swing when spraying it.
Later, - Lew
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crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Prop is on, cowl almost finished, paint prep!
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Hello again,
I also have an "Avionics Innovations" CD player and FM radio for sale. We h
ad it removed it from our 79 Grumman Tiger to install a=C2- GNS 430. It w
as installed new by our mechanic when he completely refurbished this plane
1o yrs ago. It works great and has not been used much. Asking $495 OBO. It
stil has the aluminum box made for installation of the unit in the panel.
c loudvalley@comcast.net =C2-is our e-mail. (541)998-2755- home phone; (5
41) 520-7058- cell.
Thank you. Brian Preston
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead aero door pin install video |
tom,
I make a similar part, and I'm slowly making you-tube install and
introduction type videos for all my stuff. the door guide video should be up
by early next week. in the meantime if I can help give me a shout.
steve
iflyrv10.com
716.579.5790
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From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead aero door pin install video
>
> Apparently the installation video that was on YouTube showing the
> installation of the pins and catch block has been removed.
>
> Does anyone have an alternative source for the video instructions? As
> several posts have mentioned, no instructions come with the door pin
> equipment from Rivethead Aero.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hanaway
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214800#214800
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| Subject: | Fuselage before wings? |
Yeah, just let them know what you're doing and they'll pack it in with
the rest of the fuselage. As mentioned it's going to cost you an extra
$1,300 or so but then you get to subtract that back out on the wing kit.
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
#40497
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings?
Thanks everyone for the responses.
Brian: Did Vans work with you on the center wing carry through???
Thanks,
Phil
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From: Douglas, Brian S [mailto:brian-douglas@uiowa.edu]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings?
That's the route I took and for nearly the same reason. It seemed like
I'd be done with the QB wings before I had time to save up for the
fuselage kit. On the other hand, there's lots of stuff to keep you busy
in the fuse kit while you save up for QB wings.
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
#40497
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuselage before wings?
Can anyone see a reason why I couldn't complete the fuse kit before the
wings?
I was planning on going with the wings next but with the economic
uncertainty ahead of us, I'm thinking a fuse kit might be a better
option.
If I purchase QB wings, I would probably be ready for the fuse purchase
in a few months. If I bought a fuse, I could keep busy for a longer
period of time (On meaningful projects) while the economy has more time
to recover. I could:
1) Finish the fuse kit.
2) Join it to the tail cone.
3) Fit the canopy area.
4) Run systems for fuel, static, control systems, etc.
5) Run wiring
6) Setup ELT's, etc, etc, etc.
The more I think about it, the more I think a fuse kit makes better
sense at this time. Especially if you're wanting to burn time on
meaningful tasks, instead of burning time waiting for the economy to
recover while your completed wings sit in the cradle.
Thoughts on doing a fuse kit before the wings???
Phil
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| Subject: | Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
I agree with Les, the class was a great combination of
composite-for-the-beginner instruction and RV-10 fiberglass component
installation. We covered the cabin top, doors, windows, wheel pants, tips,
etc. And, of course, got to go flying in his -10, which was a treat. Met
some very fine folks in the process, even a couple building in the Seattle
area, who have promised to make the next NW RV-10 dinner this coming spring.
I will try to get a write up and some pictures of the cabin preparation onto
my web site. It was worth the entire cost of the trip just to watch them do
the preparation and final fitting of the cabin top.
Dave and his crew are great folk. Highly recommend the course.
John Jessen
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School
Hi
Noting JC's lament about the list being quiet, I thought I would try to fix
that.
Over the week end I attended Dave Saylors composite class in Watsonville Ca.
The weather was great and the instruction invaluable. It was very much a
hands on course and Dave spoke about the materials we would be using on the
-10. More importantly, he spoke about the various fibreglass components we
would be working on and provided specific guidance on what to do.
Jeff Carpenter "lent" his fuse / canopy to the class and we watch how Chuy
(sp?) and Harold fit the canopy in two (count 'em two) tries. Once you
understand the geometry and the process, it doesn't seem all that difficult.
Dave also spoke on how to fit the doors as well as the windows including how
to avoid a bulge where the window is glassed in near the front door frame at
the tip of the fuse.
To boot, I got to meet a number of builders and see John Jansen again. If
you are a fibreglass neophyte or new to the 10, the course is well worth the
trip.
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643 - some assembly required.
PS: As a look at the falling snow, I wish I was back in California...
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead aero door pin install video |
Thanks Steve.
I'll look for it in the next few weeks.
Given the lack of responsiveness of rivethead aero, I would have purchased from
you but this is an order I placed and received awhile back before I knew you
were in the marketplace.
Tom
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| Subject: | GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10 |
I'm trying to help another builder get his fuel float senders
set up on his GRT EIS. For those who don't know, the EIS
can read either forward or reverse, depending on if the
float has increasing or decreasing resistance.
Then, in the "+/-" parameter of setup, you put in
a "-" for reverse, or a "+" for forward, and there are
6 Aux inputs that you do this for. Also, the decimal
config is done in another column, using D's and I's.
On mine, the config is:
I/D DIIDII
+/- +--+++
I would like to verify this against someone else who is
flying with the same EIS, so that I can ensure that
I'm telling him correctly. I know when I calibrated
my floats, I had to do it twice because the first time
the forward/reverse setting was wrong. It would save
him a lot of hassle if we could just tell him to set
his to "-" and "-". Note: the above is 6 channels,
so the 2nd and 3rd characters are for the Aux 2 and 3
for Left and Right Tank.
Can anyone flying verify that the above is what they
had too, so he doesn't just have to trust my rusty
memory?
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10 |
That matches mine.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10
I'm trying to help another builder get his fuel float senders
set up on his GRT EIS. For those who don't know, the EIS
can read either forward or reverse, depending on if the
float has increasing or decreasing resistance.
Then, in the "+/-" parameter of setup, you put in
a "-" for reverse, or a "+" for forward, and there are
6 Aux inputs that you do this for. Also, the decimal
config is done in another column, using D's and I's.
On mine, the config is:
I/D DIIDII
+/- +--+++
I would like to verify this against someone else who is
flying with the same EIS, so that I can ensure that
I'm telling him correctly. I know when I calibrated
my floats, I had to do it twice because the first time
the forward/reverse setting was wrong. It would save
him a lot of hassle if we could just tell him to set
his to "-" and "-". Note: the above is 6 channels,
so the 2nd and 3rd characters are for the Aux 2 and 3
for Left and Right Tank.
Can anyone flying verify that the above is what they
had too, so he doesn't just have to trust my rusty
memory?
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10 |
Awesome, thanks Bob!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
> That matches mine.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:18 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: GRT EIS fuel float readings and the RV-10
>
>
> I'm trying to help another builder get his fuel float senders
> set up on his GRT EIS. For those who don't know, the EIS
> can read either forward or reverse, depending on if the
> float has increasing or decreasing resistance.
>
> Then, in the "+/-" parameter of setup, you put in
> a "-" for reverse, or a "+" for forward, and there are
> 6 Aux inputs that you do this for. Also, the decimal
> config is done in another column, using D's and I's.
>
> On mine, the config is:
>
> I/D DIIDII
> +/- +--+++
>
> I would like to verify this against someone else who is
> flying with the same EIS, so that I can ensure that
> I'm telling him correctly. I know when I calibrated
> my floats, I had to do it twice because the first time
> the forward/reverse setting was wrong. It would save
> him a lot of hassle if we could just tell him to set
> his to "-" and "-". Note: the above is 6 channels,
> so the 2nd and 3rd characters are for the Aux 2 and 3
> for Left and Right Tank.
>
> Can anyone flying verify that the above is what they
> had too, so he doesn't just have to trust my rusty
> memory?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being installed at
Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits. All that
was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a couple of
other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to require
a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is, is to
the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got between
the top and the fuselage.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
It just seems unfair.......I think I put mine on and off 20 times......but
that is what I get for not going to the class and learning from a pro.
Do not archive
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being installed at
Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits. All that
was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a couple of
other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to require
a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is, is to
the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got between
the top and the fuselage.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
But ask how many has Harold actually done...... He's getting quite good at
this.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
It just seems unfair.......I think I put mine on and off 20 times......but
that is what I get for not going to the class and learning from a pro.
Do not archive
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being installed at
Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits. All that
was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a couple of
other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to require
a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is, is to
the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got between
the top and the fuselage.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
I attended the previous class and I think I had it on and off about 15 times
before finally calling it good. Took all of a Saturday and a few followup
hours on Sunday. The smoothing out work is never done you just have to call
it quits eventually and live with it. Anyone who tells you differently is
high on the epoxy fumes so I wouldn't trust them.
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being installed at
Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits. All that
was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a couple of
other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to require
a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is, is to
the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got between
the top and the fuselage.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
Significant work is being performed at Craig Roberts paint shop to
correct build irregularities in Dan Benua's finished and flying
aircraft. Dan and Sun are over in Hawaii for a week of sunshine. Craig
won Grand Champion at Copperstate '08 with a drop dead gorgeous Legacy
2000.
How goes you? I figured Les butchered your name and got my answer when
you piped up today.
Are you going to the EAA 105 Christmas Dinner at the Hickman's ?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Jessen
Sent: Tue 11/18/2008 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being installed at
Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits. All
that
was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a couple of
other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to
require
a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is, is
to
the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got
between
the top and the fuselage.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
John
I just used the CanadiaN spelling <vbg>.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 18-Nov-08, at 5:31 PM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> Significant work is being performed at Craig Roberts paint shop to
> correct build irregularities in Dan Benua's finished and flying
> aircraft. Dan and Sun are over in Hawaii for a week of sunshine.
> Craig won Grand Champion at Copperstate '08 with a drop dead
> gorgeous Legacy 2000.
>
> How goes you? I figured Les butchered your name and got my answer
> when you piped up today.
>
> Are you going to the EAA 105 Christmas Dinner at the Hickman's ?
>
> John
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Jessen
> Sent: Tue 11/18/2008 2:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite
> Grade School
>
> Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being
> installed at
> Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits.
> All that
> was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a
> couple of
> other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to
> require
> a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
>
> Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is,
> is to
> the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got
> between
> the top and the fuselage.
>
> John Jessen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
Can some one post the video of Dave's class to give us some in-site to what
we want to attend.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Significant work is being performed at Craig Roberts paint shop to correct
build irregularities in Dan Benua's finished and flying aircraft. Dan and
Sun are over in Hawaii for a week of sunshine. Craig won Grand Champion at
Copperstate '08 with a drop dead gorgeous Legacy 2000.
How goes you? I figured Les butchered your name and got my answer when you
piped up today.
Are you going to the EAA 105 Christmas Dinner at the Hickman's ?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Jessen
Sent: Tue 11/18/2008 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being installed at
Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two fits. All that
was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a couple of
other spots and the install was essentially done. It does appear to require
a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it solo.
Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this is, is to
the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if got between
the top and the fuselage.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
Rene=2CYou are not seeing the picture correctly. You only built one RV 10
=2C so your twenty times probably does not match all the times Dave did his
RV10=2C then did the next one for a student and so on and so on. If I told
someone that they could take at least 3/16" or more off the fiberglass bef
ore needing to worry about finessing then look at all the experience that w
as missed in developing skills with the power tools used in the process and
the all the analytical problem solving which was missed. It might be faste
r with the class=2C but all that other stuff has to be worth something...do
esn't it?Fiberglass is not something to fret about=2C it is an amazing medi
um to work with.JOhn G.> From: rene@felker.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade S
chool> Date: Tue=2C 18 Nov 2008 15:58:33 -0700> > --> RV10-List message pos
ted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>> > It just seems unfair.......I thi
nk I put mine on and off 20 times......but> that is what I get for not goin
g to the class and learning from a pro.> > Do not archive> > Rene' Felker>
RV-10 N423CF Flying> 801-721-6080> > -----Original Message-----> From: owne
r-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.
com] On Behalf Of John Jessen> Sent: Tuesday=2C November 18=2C 2008 3:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Ai
rcrafters / Composite Grade> School> > Here's one shot captured off a video
of the RV-10 top being installed at> Dave's seminar this past weekend. Th
at was the first of two fits. All that> was needed after this was to grind
off some high spots=2C trim a couple of> other spots and the install was e
ssentially done. It does appear to require> a minimum of two people=2C alt
hough I'm sure many have done it solo. > > Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff
Carpenter=2C whose cabin top this is=2C is to> the right making sure he st
ill has a finger tip left after if got between> the top and the fuselage.
========================> >
>
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| Subject: | FW: Cowl attachments |
I have posted some new pages on the Carbinge website showing Art Bertolina's
beautiful Lancair IV cowling assembled with Carbinge and Carbinge keepers.
See this URL:
http://carbinge.com/cowl_attach.htm
Additionally there is a page that explains how Art achieved this result:
http://carbinge.com/Schematic%20of%20complete%20cowl%20attachment.htm
Regards,
John Barrett, CEO
Leading Edge Composites
PO Box 428
Port Hadlock, WA 98339
www.carbinge.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade School |
'Fiberglass is not something to fret about, it is an amazing medium to
work with.'
Unless of course you develop an allergy to the stuff, pollute your lungs
with the dust, or don't care about EVERYTHING that was not protected in
the workshop/hangar being covered in a two inch layer of crud. My
hangar buddies REAAAALY started to lose their sense of humour with the
amount of dust and crap that is generated in preparing the glass stuff
for paint.
I actually enjoyed working with it - but the consequences of working
with it are a different matter ;->
cheers,
Ron
-187 painting almost done!
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters / Composite Grade
School
Rene,
You are not seeing the picture correctly. You only built one RV
10, so your twenty times probably does not match all the times Dave did
his RV10, then did the next one for a student and so on and so on.
If I told someone that they could take at least 3/16" or more
off the fiberglass before needing to worry about finessing then look at
all the experience that was missed in developing skills with the power
tools used in the process and the all the analytical problem solving
which was missed. It might be faster with the class, but all that other
stuff has to be worth something...doesn't it?
Fiberglass is not something to fret about, it is an amazing
medium to work with.
JOhn G.
> From: rene@felker.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters /
Composite Grade School
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:58:33 -0700
>
<rene@felker.com>
>
> It just seems unfair.......I think I put mine on and off 20
times......but
> that is what I get for not going to the class and learning
from a pro.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
John Jessen
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Dave Saylor / Aircrafters /
Composite Grade
> School
>
> Here's one shot captured off a video of the RV-10 top being
installed at
> Dave's seminar this past weekend. That was the first of two
fits. All that
> was needed after this was to grind off some high spots, trim a
couple of
> other spots and the install was essentially done. It does
appear to require
> a minimum of two people, although I'm sure many have done it
solo.
>
> Dave is in the red shirt. Jeff Carpenter, whose cabin top this
is, is to
> the right making sure he still has a finger tip left after if
got between<-====================
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>
>
>
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