---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/01/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:52 AM - Avionics Interconnect (Jim) 2. 10:17 AM - Re: Avionics Interconnect (Vernon Smith) 3. 04:58 PM - cowl delamination (dogsbark@comcast.net) 4. 06:50 PM - Seat Belts (jkreidler) 5. 07:26 PM - Re: Seat Belts (Rene) 6. 07:57 PM - Re: Seat Belts (DejaVu) 7. 08:35 PM - Re: cowl delamination (Chuck Weyant) 8. 08:54 PM - removal from list.... (bminzel) 9. 09:11 PM - Fw: removal from list.... (bminzel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:03 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Avionics Interconnect From: "Jim" I have attached my avionics interconnect spreadsheet. It does not include the connections to lights, engine but does include the interface between the EFIS, NAVCOM, Transponder, audio panel and GPS. I used this to build a harness for the stack. It may be of some use to others. My configuration is: EFIS -> Advanced Flight Systems AF3500 EE NavCom -> Garmin SL-30 Transponder -> Garmin 327 GPS -> Serial BR-355 Audio -> PS8000B Jim Combs N312F - 40192 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:38 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics Interconnect Jim=2C Nice easy way to map the connections! Never thought of laying them out in E xcel in this way. Thanks for the post=2C Vern Smith (#324 cowl) do not archive nectFrom: jim@CombsFive.ComTo: rv10-list@matronics.comI have attached my av ionics interconnect spreadsheet. It does not include the connections to li ghts=2C engine but does include the interface between the EFIS=2C NAVCOM=2C Transponder=2C audio panel and GPS. I used this to build a harness for th e stack. It may be of some use to others.My configuration is:EFIS -> Advanc ed Flight Systems AF3500 EENavCom -> Garmin SL-30Transponder -> Garmin 327G PS -> Serial BR-355Audio -> PS8000BJim CombsN312F - 40192 _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious emai l. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safe ty_112008 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:27 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: cowl delamination Hey everyone, I got my official response from Van's today regarding=C2-the problem cowl I own: "If you'd noticed this prior to fitting the cowl, the easiest solution woul d obviously have been to send a new top cowl. As it is now, I think it would be less work to fix the cowl you have. It doesn't require any particular composites skill beyond what is normal for RV building. There are no structural concerns; the cowl is not a structural part - it's just there to smooth airflow over the engine. You just want it to be stable and strong enough no t to be damaged in use. I would attack the problem from the inside to avoid disturbing the out laye r. If you cut away the inner shell and core of the affected areas, you can lay up more glass cloth on the inside of the outer shell to thicken and strengthen it. It needs to overlap the cut edge so no core is left exposed. You could remove the outer shell, leaving the core in place since it doesn' t seem to be bonded onto the shell, then reinstall the cut portion with some resin onto the core. This may be easier than the first choice above, but ha s the danger that you may disturb the surface so it is not so smooth as it is now." Vans I don't fully agree with everything stated in Van's response.=C2- I'm sti ll leaning toward a replacement...but thought it would be good to get any a dditional input to the above comments before proceeding.=C2- I also plan to visit this with my local EAA Tech Advisor that just happens to build Coz ys. Thanks, Sean Blair #40225 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:04 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Seat Belts From: "jkreidler" Time to get seat belts on order. During construction we have discussed using 5 point harnesses in the front and back. I like 5 point harnesses when the shoulder straps are not mounted to an inertia reel. The shoulder straps have a way of pulling the lap belt up into your stomach, the submarine strap helps hold the belts down low where they belong. I have spent alot of time in race cars actually using seat belts (sometimes it just seemed like the car would fit, huh). Needless to say proper seat belt placement really helps keep the black and blue where your body can best deal with it. Enough about that , sorry to digress but I know the first question I will get is "why 5 point harnesses?". I don't think making an anchor for the front submarine strap will be a problem, but need help in determining what belts to buy. Vans has said that I could use the same 4 point belts for the front seats in the rear seats. Does this mean that I can use the 5 point belts for the rear seats in the front? Are the shoulder belts anchored the same way? Would 5 point belts from an 8 or 4 work? Thanks, Jason Kreidler -------- RV-10 Quick Build 4 Partner Build - Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217257#217257 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:16 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Seat Belts " I like 5 point harnesses when the shoulder straps are not mounted to an inertia reel. " I went with inertia reels and removed the 5 point from the back seat...see attached picture. http://www.inertialbelts.com/ I know...not much help with what you are asking, but I do like my belts. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: RV10-List: Seat Belts Time to get seat belts on order. During construction we have discussed using 5 point harnesses in the front and back. I like 5 point harnesses when the shoulder straps are not mounted to an inertia reel. The shoulder straps have a way of pulling the lap belt up into your stomach, the submarine strap helps hold the belts down low where they belong. I have spent alot of time in race cars actually using seat belts (sometimes it just seemed like the car would fit, huh). Needless to say proper seat belt placement really helps keep the black and blue where your body can best deal with it. Enough about that , sorry to digress but I know the first question I will get is "why 5 point harnesses?". I don't think making an anchor for the front submarine strap will be a problem, but need help in determining what belts to buy. Vans has said that I could use the same 4 point belts for the front seats in the rear seats. Does this mean that I can use the 5 point belts for the rear seats in the front? Are the shoulder belts anchored the same way? Would 5 point belts from an 8 or 4 work? Thanks, Jason Kreidler -------- RV-10 Quick Build 4 Partner Build - Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217257#217257 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seat Belts From: "DejaVu" It's been a while but I remember that Van's harnesses are all the same, front or rear. So yes you can use the 5-point for the front and vice versa. If you can find a way to add anchor tabs in the front like the ones in the rear, it should work. Anh N591VU - flying > > > Time to get seat belts on order. During construction we have discussed > using 5 point harnesses in the front and back. I like 5 point harnesses > when the shoulder straps are not mounted to an inertia reel. The shoulder > straps have a way of pulling the lap belt up into your stomach, the > submarine strap helps hold the belts down low where they belong. I have > spent alot of time in race cars actually using seat belts (sometimes it > just seemed like the car would fit, huh). Needless to say proper seat > belt placement really helps keep the black and blue where your body can > best deal with it. Enough about that , sorry to digress but I know the > first question I will get is "why 5 point harnesses?". > > I don't think making an anchor for the front submarine strap will be a > problem, but need help in determining what belts to buy. Vans has said > that I could use the same 4 point belts for the front seats in the rear > seats. Does this mean that I can use the 5 point belts for the rear seats > in the front? Are the shoulder belts anchored the same way? Would 5 > point belts from an 8 or 4 work? > > Thanks, Jason Kreidler > > -------- > RV-10 Quick Build > 4 Partner Build - Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217257#217257 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:32 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV10-List: cowl delamination Sean, I agree with Van's. Far less work and just as good. Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: dogsbark@comcast.net To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: cowl delamination Hey everyone, I got my official response from Van's today regarding the problem cowl I own: "If you'd noticed this prior to fitting the cowl, the easiest solution would obviously have been to send a new top cowl. As it is now, I think it would be less work to fix the cowl you have. It doesn't require any particular composites skill beyond what is normal for RV building. There are no structural concerns; the cowl is not a structural part - it's just there to smooth airflow over the engine. You just want it to be stable and strong enough not to be damaged in use. I would attack the problem from the inside to avoid disturbing the out layer. If you cut away the inner shell and core of the affected areas, you can lay up more glass cloth on the inside of the outer shell to thicken and strengthen it. It needs to overlap the cut edge so no core is left exposed. You could remove the outer shell, leaving the core in place since it doesn't seem to be bonded onto the shell, then reinstall the cut portion with some resin onto the core. This may be easier than the first choice above, but has the danger that you may disturb the surface so it is not so smooth as it is now." Vans I don't fully agree with everything stated in Van's response. I'm still leaning toward a replacement...but thought it would be good to get any additional input to the above comments before proceeding. I also plan to visit this with my local EAA Tech Advisor that just happens to build Cozys. Thanks, Sean Blair #40225 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:31 PM PST US From: bminzel Subject: RV10-List: removal from list.... Hi, - How do I get myself removed from this email list? I'm getting too many dail y and would prefer to just check the website periodically. - Thank you for your help. - Barbara Minzel bminzel@yahoo.com - ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:35 PM PST US From: bminzel Subject: Fw: RV10-List: removal from list.... --- On Mon, 12/1/08, bminzel wrote: From: bminzel Subject: RV10-List: removal from list.... Hi, - How do I get myself removed from this email list? 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