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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Overhead console (Perry, Phil)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: EFB's and charts (Tim Olson)
3. 07:04 AM - Re: Overhead console (John Gonzalez)
4. 09:45 AM - Re: picture needed (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include (MauleDriver)
6. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 12:51 PM - Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include (marcausman)
8. 02:35 PM - Re: Overhead console (Chris)
9. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: EFB's and charts (sean garrison)
10. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: EFB's and charts (Tim Olson)
11. 04:04 PM - Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol (David Peterson)
12. 08:38 PM - Nose Gear Strut (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
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| Subject: | Overhead console |
John,
Looks great!
What did you cover it with and what are the red buttons for?
Phil
________________________________
From: John Gonzalez [mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead console
And the final product...foam and fiberglass is fun!!!
JOhn G. 409 Do Not Archive
> From: toaster73@embarqmail.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead console
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:52 -0500
>
> Just to reiterate "you can" do this yourself . If you can do all the
> fiberglass work on the 10 you can make a console. I used blue foam and
> molded the console in place, glassed it in place and then released it
to get
> the blue foam out, finally epoxied back on for good. Just takes time
and the
> will to do it.
> -Chris Lucas
> #40072
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EFB's and charts |
Hi Lenny,
Supposedly, that RiData (the cheapest of the fast cards) that I
used is about 35Mb/s Read and 12Mb/s write. I wouldn't call that
ultra fast, especially when you compare it to what you can put in
a desktop PC. But, in perspective it works real well. The 4200RPM
1.8" drives are really slow, and when you take into consideration
the head access times and effects of file fragmentation, a regular
drive is pretty miserable itself. A flash drive doesn't care about
fragmentation and never has to wait for heads to position.
A lot of people the SSD's "feel" faster, even though the sustained
read and write speeds aren't as fast. Of course, if you actually
buy those $799 64GB SSD's, you get even more read/write speed, but
it's at a high cost. The hard drive is usually the slowest part
of a laptop/tablet....so I always shop for 7200rpm drives for my
laptops. I don't mind upgrades though, so as speeds climb,
and sizes grow, I'll swap the primary CF card in this for a faster
and larger one....when the price is right.
I didn't do anything for write-caching or any other special settings,
it just worked. I haven't taken it on a flight yet, but everything
seems to work very similar to how it did before, so I'm happy.
Fun stuff to play with anyway. I hear good things about
the Q1 ultra, but I like the larger tablet myself. Another
builder has the Q1 and the same software as me and he wasn't
as happy with the screen size, so he's thinking of upgrading.
I think it all depends on the application you use as to how
happy you may be with one style or the other. So many options
though, so there is a lot to choose from.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lenny Iszak wrote:
> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> Great idea! Thanks for the writeup! What does 233x translate to in
> Mb/sec? Does it work as fast as with the old hard drive? Did you have
> to disable write cache and other things for it to work right with
> Windows?
>
> I have a Samsung Q1 Ultra, and run Anywhere Map on it. I'm thinking
> of SSD-ing it Tim style :)
>
> It's small and pretty bright. I had to write an on-screen keyboard
> interface for it, because the original one is unusable in flight.
> Other than that it's a great system and cheaper than the Motion
> tablet. They sell them on ebay new for around $800.
>
> Lenny
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219747#219747
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead console |
Charcoal Zolatone and I have Stein's LEDs in six location on the overhead a
nd that is what the buttons are for. The nice thing about Zolatone is that
it looks great and it saves time in prep because you don't need to make the
fiberglass sooooo smooth. Seem lines blend in. I also made this removable
with ten screws that anchor into brass screw receivers. It covers the screw
s on the fuse that hold down the hinge=2C makes a little cleaner look.Thank
sJOhnSubject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead consoleDate: Wed=2C 17 Dec 2008 04:07
:59 -0800From: Phil.Perry@netapp.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
John=2C
Looks great!
What did you cover it with and what are the red buttons
for?
Phil
From: John Gonzalez [mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday=2C December 17=2C 2008 12:57 AMTo: RV 10
groupSubject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead console
And the final product...foam and fiberglass is fun!!!
JOhn G. 409 Do Not Archive> From:
toaster73@embarqmail.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject:
Re: RV10-List: Overhead console> Date: Tue=2C 16 Dec 2008 20:22:52
-0500> > Just to reiterate "you can" do this yourself . If you can
do all the > fiberglass work on the 10 you can make a console. I used
blue foam and > molded the console in place=2C glassed it in place and then
released it to get > the blue foam out=2C finally epoxied back on for good.
Just takes time and the > will to do it.> -Chris Lucas>
#40072> > do not archive
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David, it seems that many people have simply stuck them out in a wingtip.
Easy enough to power from the position lights and I for one plan on havin
g it on whenever I'm in the air which also works nicely with powering off o
f the position lights.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: picture needed
I am considering locating an APARS box under the fairing that covers the tr
im servo and cables. Anyone have a picture of the mounted horizontal stab a
nd installed trim servo and cables? I am looking for a convenient place to
install APARS AIO (all in one) box. I need a location under fiberglass to a
llow the GPS signals through. Also need a convenient place to wire external
antenna and convenient to power supply with Master ON. Tailcone seems most
appropriate but don't wish to cut a hole (with glass inspection panel) for
the GPS antenna to see the sky.
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| Subject: | Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include |
The reason I don't want to use the EIS is because it will be hidden, as
other builders have indicated.
I agree that a 'fail-safe' low oil pressure indication is valuable.
I'm wondering if there is some way to hook up a low pressure light in
parallel with the EIS (and the Hobbs meter)?
Bill Watson
David Schaefer wrote:
> I only have to ask one question... WHY? You have the alerting
> function on the EIS .. it's immediately available .. the EFIS takes a
> minute to come up. I want to know about low oil pressure immediately.
> I also don't understand why someone would up in another sensor ..
> you have the EIS. Anyone can do what they want ... however I've been
> flying mine for 4 years and it works wonderfully. Especially for
> those without dual busses .. who have to turn on their EFIS by switch.
>
> David W. Schaefer
> RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
> TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
> www.n142ds.com <http://www.n142ds.com>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM, marcausman <marc@verticalpower.com
> <mailto:marc@verticalpower.com>> wrote:
>
> <marc@verticalpower.com <mailto:marc@verticalpower.com>>
>
> Yes, I concur. I have the alarms on the EFIS, and not the EIS
> which is buried. The VP-200 handles all the annunciations and
> electrical alarms.
>
>
> avu1(at)md.metrocast.net <http://md.metrocast.net> wrote:
> > To summarize the various responses:
> >
> > Engine information from the EIS can be repeated on the GRT EFIS.
> > Alert limits are set on either system independent of one another.
> > Either system can be programmed to have no alerts.
> > Alerts generated by one system are not displayed on the other.
> > Alerts tripped by one system can only be reset/acknowledged by
> that system.
> > Either system can have an external light which blinks when
> tripped based
> > on programmed limits, steady when acknowledged, goes away when
> problem is
> > no longer there.
> > Leveraging the capability of each system can eliminate the need
> for the
> > EIS remote button.
> >
> >
>
>
> --------
> Marc Ausman
> http://www.verticalpower.com
> RV-7 IO-390 Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219214#219214
>
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include |
Bill,
I did exactly that. The manifold has space for 2 sensors and normally
one of those ports is just plugged. A pressure switch (like used for a
hobbs) in that port will drive a light just fine if the concern is an
oil pressure indicator independent of the EIS.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of MauleDriver
Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 02:38 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include
The reason I don't want to use the EIS is because it will be hidden, as
other builders have indicated.
I agree that a 'fail-safe' low oil pressure indication is valuable.
I'm wondering if there is some way to hook up a low pressure light in
parallel with the EIS (and the Hobbs meter)?
Bill Watson
David Schaefer wrote:
I only have to ask one question... WHY? You have the alerting function
on the EIS .. it's immediately available .. the EFIS takes a minute to
come up. I want to know about low oil pressure immediately. I also
don't understand why someone would up in another sensor .. you have the
EIS. Anyone can do what they want ... however I've been flying mine for
4 years and it works wonderfully. Especially for those without dual
busses .. who have to turn on their EFIS by switch.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT
EFIS
www.n142ds.com
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM, marcausman <marc@verticalpower.com>
wrote:
Yes, I concur. I have the alarms on the EFIS, and not the EIS which is
buried. The VP-200 handles all the annunciations and electrical alarms.
avu1(at)md.metrocast.net wrote:
> To summarize the various responses:
>
> Engine information from the EIS can be repeated on the GRT EFIS.
> Alert limits are set on either system independent of one another.
> Either system can be programmed to have no alerts.
> Alerts generated by one system are not displayed on the other.
> Alerts tripped by one system can only be reset/acknowledged by that
system.
> Either system can have an external light which blinks when tripped
based
> on programmed limits, steady when acknowledged, goes away when problem
is
> no longer there.
> Leveraging the capability of each system can eliminate the need for
the
> EIS remote button.
>
>
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Indicator lights - what functions to include |
Bill, if you have a an oil pressure switch (not pressure transducer) that you are
using to run the hobbs meter, you can also wire that to a separate light. You
should wire it to a bus powered when the battery contactor is closed. That
way, you know oil pressure (good/bad) separately from the EIS.
On a related note, I do have a 1" UMA oil pressure gauge mounted on the panel and
it uses a separate pressure transducer than the one driving the EIS. I normally
don't think that duplicate engine gauges are necessary, but in the case of
oil pressure, it is the one instrument IMO that can drive some hard decisions
if it or the transducer fails, so I have two separate ones.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219838#219838
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead console |
Beautiful work!
-Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: RV 10 group
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:56 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead console
And the final product...foam and fiberglass is fun!!!
JOhn G. 409 Do Not Archive
> From: toaster73@embarqmail.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead console
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:52 -0500
>
> Just to reiterate "you can" do this yourself . If you can do all the
> fiberglass work on the 10 you can make a console. I used blue foam
and
> molded the console in place, glassed it in place and then released
it to get
> the blue foam out, finally epoxied back on for good. Just takes time
and the
> will to do it.
> -Chris Lucas
> #40072
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EFB's and charts |
Which mount did you use or did you custom make one?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: EFB's and charts
Hi Lenny,
Supposedly, that RiData (the cheapest of the fast cards) that I
used is about 35Mb/s Read and 12Mb/s write. I wouldn't call that
ultra fast, especially when you compare it to what you can put in
a desktop PC. But, in perspective it works real well. The 4200RPM
1.8" drives are really slow, and when you take into consideration
the head access times and effects of file fragmentation, a regular
drive is pretty miserable itself. A flash drive doesn't care about
fragmentation and never has to wait for heads to position.
A lot of people the SSD's "feel" faster, even though the sustained
read and write speeds aren't as fast. Of course, if you actually
buy those $799 64GB SSD's, you get even more read/write speed, but
it's at a high cost. The hard drive is usually the slowest part
of a laptop/tablet....so I always shop for 7200rpm drives for my
laptops. I don't mind upgrades though, so as speeds climb,
and sizes grow, I'll swap the primary CF card in this for a faster
and larger one....when the price is right.
I didn't do anything for write-caching or any other special settings,
it just worked. I haven't taken it on a flight yet, but everything
seems to work very similar to how it did before, so I'm happy.
Fun stuff to play with anyway. I hear good things about
the Q1 ultra, but I like the larger tablet myself. Another
builder has the Q1 and the same software as me and he wasn't
as happy with the screen size, so he's thinking of upgrading.
I think it all depends on the application you use as to how
happy you may be with one style or the other. So many options
though, so there is a lot to choose from.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lenny Iszak wrote:
> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> Great idea! Thanks for the writeup! What does 233x translate to in
> Mb/sec? Does it work as fast as with the old hard drive? Did you have
> to disable write cache and other things for it to work right with
> Windows?
>
> I have a Samsung Q1 Ultra, and run Anywhere Map on it. I'm thinking
> of SSD-ing it Tim style :)
>
> It's small and pretty bright. I had to write an on-screen keyboard
> interface for it, because the original one is unusable in flight.
> Other than that it's a great system and cheaper than the Motion
> tablet. They sell them on ebay new for around $800.
>
> Lenny
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219747#219747
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFB's and charts |
You mean physical mount?? For the tablet or the drive?
The drive is just using the stock shock mount.
I don't use a mount with the tablet. I prefer to be
able to pass it around. My wife pulls up charts and
data for me all the time. It's handy to be able to
move it. I would never want it hard mounted.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
sean garrison wrote:
>
> Which mount did you use or did you custom make one?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: EFB's and charts
>
>
> Hi Lenny,
>
> Supposedly, that RiData (the cheapest of the fast cards) that I
> used is about 35Mb/s Read and 12Mb/s write. I wouldn't call that
> ultra fast, especially when you compare it to what you can put in
> a desktop PC. But, in perspective it works real well. The 4200RPM
> 1.8" drives are really slow, and when you take into consideration
> the head access times and effects of file fragmentation, a regular
> drive is pretty miserable itself. A flash drive doesn't care about
> fragmentation and never has to wait for heads to position.
> A lot of people the SSD's "feel" faster, even though the sustained
> read and write speeds aren't as fast. Of course, if you actually
> buy those $799 64GB SSD's, you get even more read/write speed, but
> it's at a high cost. The hard drive is usually the slowest part
> of a laptop/tablet....so I always shop for 7200rpm drives for my
> laptops. I don't mind upgrades though, so as speeds climb,
> and sizes grow, I'll swap the primary CF card in this for a faster
> and larger one....when the price is right.
>
> I didn't do anything for write-caching or any other special settings,
> it just worked. I haven't taken it on a flight yet, but everything
> seems to work very similar to how it did before, so I'm happy.
>
> Fun stuff to play with anyway. I hear good things about
> the Q1 ultra, but I like the larger tablet myself. Another
> builder has the Q1 and the same software as me and he wasn't
> as happy with the screen size, so he's thinking of upgrading.
> I think it all depends on the application you use as to how
> happy you may be with one style or the other. So many options
> though, so there is a lot to choose from.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Great idea! Thanks for the writeup! What does 233x translate to in
>> Mb/sec? Does it work as fast as with the old hard drive? Did you have
>> to disable write cache and other things for it to work right with
>> Windows?
>>
>> I have a Samsung Q1 Ultra, and run Anywhere Map on it. I'm thinking
>> of SSD-ing it Tim style :)
>>
>> It's small and pretty bright. I had to write an on-screen keyboard
>> interface for it, because the original one is unusable in flight.
>> Other than that it's a great system and cheaper than the Motion
>> tablet. They sell them on ebay new for around $800.
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219747#219747
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol |
Thanks Lenny, and to everyone else who responded. I think the best
bet is obviously a protocol analyser and a lot of spare time ;)
Dave
On 17/12/2008, at 6:59 PM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote:
> Time: 09:32:17 PM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol
> From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I have the install manual for a discontinued GDL-49 unit, which
> talks to the 400/500
> series panel mounts via RS-232, so I think it's safe to assume that
> the
> 69 uses the same thing.
> If that's the case it's very easy to sniff the data from it.
> Assuming that it's
> coming from the same source as the WxWorks data, it won't be hard to
> guess the
> protocol unless they encrypted the data. Bill may be able to help
> you with that.
>
> The problem with the protocol hack would be that if you sent a bad
> packet to your
> Garmin screen during flight, you could possibly lock it up in
> flight. Not
> very desirable.
>
> I'm going to display WxWorks data on my own screen. It's much safer
> that way and
> allows for other interesting tricks...
>
> Lenny
> #40803
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Does anyone have their WD-1017 Nose Gear Strut on hand, but that they
won't actually be installing in the next month or so?
We'd like to borrow one for some prototyping activity, after which we
would return it promptly. We'd pay for all shipping, to us and return.
Thanks,
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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