---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/26/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:32 AM - Aileron and rudder trim position indicators (Jim Berry) 2. 10:33 AM - Cleanup of Proseal (Les Kearney) 3. 10:44 AM - Fuel Sender Calibration (Les Kearney) 4. 11:19 AM - Re: Cleanup of Proseal (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 5. 11:31 AM - Oscillating Tools (Les Kearney) 6. 11:49 AM - Re: Oscillating Tools (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Oscillating Tools (Les Kearney) 8. 12:19 PM - Re: Fuel Sender Calibration (John Gonzalez) 9. 01:21 PM - Re: Cleanup of Proseal (Kelly McMullen) 10. 01:44 PM - Re: Cleanup of Proseal (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 11. 01:55 PM - Re: Cleanup of Proseal (Kelly McMullen) 12. 02:53 PM - Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators (Rene) 13. 05:04 PM - Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators (Tim Olson) 14. 05:09 PM - Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators (Jim Berry) 15. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators (Tim Olson) 16. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: DAR Blessed N475PV (Sheldon Olesen) 17. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators (Rene) 18. 07:28 PM - Brake system questions. (woxofswa) 19. 08:41 PM - Re: Brake system questions. (Marcus Cooper) 20. 10:18 PM - First Flight & Phase 1 Completed for VH-OSH (Evan & Tania) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:28 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators From: "Jim Berry" To all of you flying with aileron and/or rudder trim, do you have trim position indicators and do you find then useful? Thanks. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221213#221213 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:41 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal Merry Christmas To All! II have been looking through the archives for the best way to remove proseal. I would like to avoid the use of MEK as it seems like particularly nasty stuff. Is there anything else that that is effective and less toxic? Cheers Les #40643 - Some assembly required ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:20 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Sender Calibration Merry Christmas to All! I have been reading with interest the various threads regarding fuel senders especially with respect to QB wings. I do have a couple of questions for the list. * I want to test my sender movement after installation. Given that the resistance ranges from 32-250 ohms, I thought I would test the empty tank resistance and then flip the tank upside down and test again. Is this a reasonable way to test the travel? * I like John G's idea to flush the tanks with water and then blow fresh air through to dry out them out. Is there any downside to this approach? Cheers Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal From: ricksked@embarqmail.com Les, MEK is your best bet..not that nasty just use nitrile gloves and avoid the vapors..its biggest hazard is absorption (transdermal) and use in non ventilated confined spaces. It doesn't dissolve the proseal but transfers it to the cloth used to wipe it off...safety glasses are a plus if you're a splasher!! Rick S 40185 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:10 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Oscillating Tools Merry Christmas to All! I recently saw an infomercial for a Multimaster Ocillating tool that seems like it would be just the thing for trimming my canopy. Dremel also makes a similar tool that costs perhaps on third of the Multimaster. Does anyone have an experience with these? I haven't bought any tools for a while and am going through withdrawal. Inquiring minds need to know Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:36 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oscillating Tools The Fein MultiMaster is a the top of the list of nice to haves for a lot of the composite guys, many of them think it's a must have. It works just like the tool used to cut casts off. I have one and it is by far the easie st thing to use on the fiberglass and acrylics we deal with. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oscillating Tools Merry Christmas to All! I recently saw an infomercial for a Multimaster Ocillating tool that seems like it would be just the thing for trimming my canopy. Dremel also makes a similar tool that costs perhaps on third of the Multimaster. Does anyone have an experience with these? I haven't bought any tools for a while and am going through withdrawal. Inquiring minds need to know Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:01 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oscillating Tools Michael Thanks for the info. I have been doing a bit of digging and found out that Dremel et al have been introducing their own versions as the Fein patent just expired (Sept 08). The Dremel has the same size motor but is not quite a "worksite ready" type of tool as is the Multimaster (based on the reviews I have found). Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: December-26-08 12:48 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oscillating Tools The Fein MultiMaster is a the top of the list of nice to haves for a lot of the composite guys, many of them think it's a must have. It works just like the tool used to cut casts off. I have one and it is by far the easiest thing to use on the fiberglass and acrylics we deal with. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oscillating Tools Merry Christmas to All! I recently saw an infomercial for a Multimaster Ocillating tool that seems like it would be just the thing for trimming my canopy. Dremel also makes a similar tool that costs perhaps on third of the Multimaster. Does anyone have an experience with these? I haven't bought any tools for a while and am going through withdrawal. Inquiring minds need to know Les #40643 - some assembly required http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:10 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Sender Calibration I bought a new shop vac for this purpose because I didn't want to be blowin g dust into the tank. I did this in summer or fall as the humidity level is extremely low at those times and air temps are higher.JOhn GFrom: kearney@ shaw.caTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Fuel Sender Calibrati onDate: Fri=2C 26 Dec 2008 11:43:10 -0700 Merry Christmas to All! I have been reading with interest the various threads regarding fuel senders especially with respect to QB wings. I do have a cou ple of questions for the list. I want to test my sender movement after installation. Given that the resistance ranges from 32- 250 ohms=2C I thought I would test the empty tank resistance and then flip the tank upside down and test again. Is this a reasonable way to test the travel? I like John G=92s idea to flush the tanks with water and then blow fresh air through to dry out them out. Is there any downside to this approach? Cheers Les #40643 ' some assembly required ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:28 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal Depends on whether it is cured or not. While it is wet, isopropyl alcohol works, but not after curing. There is a solvent that is used for removing it from tanks, but it is very pricey(perhaps $50 a gal). If you just want it off a tool or part and they won't otherwise be harmed by a dunk in carburetor cleaner, it will dissolve it. http://www.berrymanproducts.com/Default.aspx?tabid=146 Probably good for cleaning clecos. MEK is not very effective on cured PRC. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Les Kearney wrote: > Merry Christmas To All! > > > II have been looking through the archives for the best way to remove > proseal. I would like to avoid the use of MEK as it seems like particularly > nasty stuff. Is there anything else that that is effective and less toxic? > > > Cheers > > > Les > > #40643 Some assembly required > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal From: ricksked@embarqmail.com FWIW...there isn't any chemical that can thin or dissolve proseal...MEK allows the sealant to be transferred from the metal to the rag...Denatured alcohol...in the precure stage...or working time frame can clean it but it is not the most practical way to clean up..MEK is still the best and the stuff we used on fighters to wipe excess and clean areas that proseal didn't belong Rick S 40185 ------Original Message------ From: Kelly McMullen Sender: ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Dec 26, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal Depends on whether it is cured or not. While it is wet, isopropyl alcohol works, but not after curing. There is a solvent that is used for removing it from tanks, but it is very pricey(perhaps $50 a gal). If you just want it off a tool or part and they won't otherwise be harmed by a dunk in carburetor cleaner, it will dissolve it. http://www.berrymanproducts.com/Default.aspx?tabid=146 Probably good for cleaning clecos. MEK is not very effective on cured PRC. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Les Kearney wrote: > Merry Christmas To All! > > > II have been looking through the archives for the best way to remove > proseal. I would like to avoid the use of MEK as it seems like particularly > nasty stuff. Is there anything else that that is effective and less toxic? > > > Cheers > > > Les > > #40643 Some assembly required > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:51 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cleanup of Proseal Yes, there is a variety of chemicals that disolve proseal. I don't have the brand name handy. See: http://www.willmarairservice.com/tank.php On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > FWIW...there isn't any chemical that can thin or dissolve proseal...MEK allows the sealant to be transferred from the metal to the rag...Denatured alcohol...in the precure stage...or working time frame can clean it but it is not the most practical way to clean up..MEK is still the best and the stuff we used on fighters to wipe excess and clean areas that proseal didn't belong > > Rick S > 40185 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:35 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators I use my GRT EFIS for elevator and aileron trim indication. Work great and they are very useful....preflight being the most useful time. I have a separate indicator for the rudder trim......not sure it is as useful. The rudder trim does not have much authority and I just center the ball with it once I get into a steady state....climb, decent or level flight. Also, I did not put in a flap indicator and I regret it. I am doing it this annual. I put markers on my flaps and use the P-1 LOT device (pilot..me), but don't like having to turn my head to see the flaps during pre landing checks. I have a flap positioning system, but like to check flap position on final...... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators To all of you flying with aileron and/or rudder trim, do you have trim position indicators and do you find then useful? Thanks. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221213#221213 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:29 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators You probably don't need anything on the rudder trim, but it's actually nice to see where it's set for the aileron trim. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jim Berry wrote: > > To all of you flying with aileron and/or rudder trim, do you have > trim position indicators and do you find then useful? Thanks. > > Jim Berry 40482 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221213#221213 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:45 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators From: "Jim Berry" Rene' Thanks for the info. Your response prompts another question. I am just finishing up my rudder trim a la Tim, Vic and others. They both used 11" of hinge for their tab. If you do not have enough rudder trim authority, how much tab do you have and how much do you think it would take to have enough authority? If I am going to need more tab, now would be the ideal time to change it. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221282#221282 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:23 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators Jim, I HOPEFULLY will get this right for Rene', but I don't think he meant to say it doesn't have ENOUGH authority, more that it doesn't TAKE much authority. The amount of trim required is pretty small. With the 10-11" of hinge that I have, it doesn't need to move very far, and you can easily see the effect with the skid ball. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jim Berry wrote: > > Rene' > > Thanks for the info. Your response prompts another question. I am > just finishing up my rudder trim a la Tim, Vic and others. They both > used 11" of hinge for their tab. If you do not have enough rudder > trim authority, how much tab do you have and how much do you think it > would take to have enough authority? If I am going to need more tab, > now would be the ideal time to change it. > > Jim Berry 40482 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221282#221282 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:10 PM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: DAR Blessed N475PV Bill, Since you asked to see a pic of my plane, here it is. First flight should be around New Year's day. Gotta get that transition training done first. Sheldon Olesen On Dec 24, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Bill and Tami Britton wrote: > > > Missed the paint job. Could someone point me to a link that has a > picture. I'd love to see how it looks. > > Bill Britton > > PS. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. If you're > traveling be very careful out there!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny Iszak" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:42 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: DAR Blessed N475PV > > >> >> >> Wow! Love the paint job! >> >> Lenny >> #40803 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220881#220881 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 11:23 AM > >
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:58 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators Jim. Tim got it right. I have enough authority to do what I want, it will center the ball in climb, decent and cruse, I just meant to say that it did not exert a lot of force and no matter what position it is in I have no trouble using the rudder. I can not remember how many inches I used, but I think it was 11 - 12 inches. Now for the elevator trim that is another story, take off with it in the wrong position and you will need two hands to fly the plane....don't ask how I know.......... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aileron and rudder trim position indicators Jim, I HOPEFULLY will get this right for Rene', but I don't think he meant to say it doesn't have ENOUGH authority, more that it doesn't TAKE much authority. The amount of trim required is pretty small. With the 10-11" of hinge that I have, it doesn't need to move very far, and you can easily see the effect with the skid ball. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jim Berry wrote: > > Rene' > > Thanks for the info. Your response prompts another question. I am > just finishing up my rudder trim a la Tim, Vic and others. They both > used 11" of hinge for their tab. If you do not have enough rudder > trim authority, how much tab do you have and how much do you think it > would take to have enough authority? If I am going to need more tab, > now would be the ideal time to change it. > > Jim Berry 40482 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221282#221282 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Brake system questions. From: "woxofswa" A couple of questions for the brain trust. I am about to begin the chapter on the brake system. My first question concerns the pros/cons of a sealant whilst mating the connectors. Van's says okay, but not necessary, and to never use teflon tape. They say they don't use any sealant for the connections in their shop. My second question is wondering if anyone has any comment/experience in using the stainless steel braided lines versus the plastic tubing, for the actuators. Anyone have experience with the www.nonstopaviation.com brake line kit? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221303#221303 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:16 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake system questions. Myron, I have the nylon tubing going from the passenger brakes to the pilot brakes per the plans. It's absolutely appalling to many folks, but I've never had a failure. What it has done for me that is positive, is to recognize a leak sooner than feeling squishy brakes. I just noticed the lack of red fluid in the line recently and had I used stainless lines the first I would have noticed is when the brakes didn't work so well. That is very disconcerting with an airplane without a steerable nosewheel. Overall the stainless braided lines are probably the way to go, but just a thought as you mull over what to do with your machine. Marcus Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Brake system questions. A couple of questions for the brain trust. I am about to begin the chapter on the brake system. My first question concerns the pros/cons of a sealant whilst mating the connectors. Van's says okay, but not necessary, and to never use teflon tape. They say they don't use any sealant for the connections in their shop. My second question is wondering if anyone has any comment/experience in using the stainless steel braided lines versus the plastic tubing, for the actuators. Anyone have experience with the www.nonstopaviation.com brake line kit? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221303#221303 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:05 PM PST US From: "Evan & Tania" Subject: RV10-List: First Flight & Phase 1 Completed for VH-OSH Hi Everyone, We are pleased to advise that our RV-10 "VH-OSH" had its first flight at 10:30am on 17 Dec 2008 at Hervey Bay Airport in Queensland, Australia (yippee!!). We had to pinch ourselves a few times for it to really sink in. The OSH call sign came about when you were all busy organising the RV10 group gathering for OSH 2008 earlier this year. We simply couldn't resist using this registration for our plane when it was available at that time! Someday we hope to get over to OSH to meet everyone. The project began for us in Jan 2007 with the purchase of a partially completed empennage kit. We assembled our aircraft in a makeshift 9m x 3m gazebo in our small back garden (she got a big large for our double garage). Regular support and help was provided by Colin Crittenden (General Build and Test Pilot) and Jake Jansen (Avionics). VH-OSH now has 27hrs of flight time and is performing well. For those who are interested, we put in: Mattituck Lycoming TMX IO-540 ( with one Lightspeed Plasma IIIB ignition) Hartzel Prop Dynon EFIS (D100) and EMS (D120) PMA4000 Audio Panel Garmin SL-30 Nav/Com Garmin 327 Transponder Trio EZ auto pilot 740kg empty weight with paint and upholstery. Kindest regards and happy flying! 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