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1. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: How to create epoxy threads (linn Walters)
2. 08:51 AM - Trim Cable Attachments (Chuck Henry)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: Trim Cable Attachments (John Cumins)
4. 10:22 AM - Fuel Flow (Bill DeRouchey)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Fuel Flow (Rene Felker)
6. 10:50 AM - Re: Fuel Flow (Dave Saylor)
7. 10:59 AM - Re: Fuel Flow (Tim Olson)
8. 11:13 AM - Re: Preferred tablet (Space Cadet)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: Trim Cable Attachments (Chuck Henry)
10. 11:26 AM - Re: Fuel Flow (Jesse Saint)
11. 11:43 AM - Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune (Len Aune)
12. 11:47 AM - Re: How to create epoxy threads (Michael Wellenzohn)
13. 12:00 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (Kelly McMullen)
14. 12:33 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 12:55 PM - Re: Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune (pascal)
16. 12:58 PM - Re: Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune (pascal)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: Brake system questions. (ThisOne)
18. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (Rick Sked)
19. 01:51 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (McGANN, Ron)
20. 01:59 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (John Cox)
21. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (Neal George)
22. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (Rick Sked)
24. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (gary)
25. 04:54 PM - Re: Brake system questions. (ThisOne)
26. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (John Cumins)
27. 06:04 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (pascal)
28. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (Rick Sked)
29. 06:42 PM - rv10 (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
30. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (Neal George)
31. 07:09 PM - Re: rv10 (Rick Sked)
32. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Brake system questions. (Rick Sked)
33. 07:18 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (orchidman)
34. 07:27 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (Tim Lewis)
35. 10:30 PM - Those darned main gear fairings and wheel pants (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: How to create epoxy threads |
I use an allen wrench in place of the bent wire ...... If I can bend the
'L' in the wire without it cracking, it doesn't seem to stand up to the
torque.
Linn
Werner Schneider wrote:
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> Hello Michael,
>
> depending on where it is and what load you want to spread onto the
> shell you can do following approach to create another hard point. Lay
> the shell onto the back, drill your 3/26 hole, use a L shaped hard
> wire, where the shorter leg is around 1/2 inch long, use your drill
> fix the longer leg in the chuck. Enter through the 3/16 inch hole and
> start your drill, the short leg will remove the foam between the inner
> and outer shell, move it up and down to get all of it removed and blow
> it out with dry air. You know created a 1" hole between the shells
> which you can fill with the peanut butter (flox-epoxy) push it in
> there and let it cure. This large hard point can hold up quite a bit
> of load.
>
> Let me know if you need a hands on, was close to your shop December
> 30th and missed you there ;o)
>
> Werner
>
> Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
>> <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
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>> Thank you for all your answers!
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>> One questions remains open though, if I just have lets say a 3/16
>> hole how will I get epoxy/flox through it to make a nice base in the
>> inside of the door. Just pressing it through the hole won't do the job.
>>
>> Michael
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>> RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
>> #511
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| Subject: | Trim Cable Attachments |
I made a mistake. When I ordered two trim cable attachment brackets from
Full Throttle Concepts http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm I received
two sets of two. Thought they were priced individually. These are
replacements to the Vans part # WD-415. So, I have an extra set I would
like to get off my hands. The price is $38 plus shipping. Anybody
interested let me know and I will get them off to you ASAP. You can write
me off line at cchenry01@hotmail.com.
Chuck Henry
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| Subject: | Trim Cable Attachments |
Chuck
Yes I am very interested. I am working on the HS right now.
Please contact me off line and I will get you a check send off asap.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attachments
I made a mistake. When I ordered two trim cable attachment brackets from
Full Throttle Concepts http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm I received
two sets of two. Thought they were priced individually. These are
replacements to the Vans part # WD-415. So, I have an extra set I would
like to get off my hands. The price is $38 plus shipping. Anybody
interested let me know and I will get them off to you ASAP. You can write
me off line at cchenry01@hotmail.com.
Chuck Henry
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Guys-
I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone provide a
suitable answer?
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When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow will inc
rease approx 10%.
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I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No metr
ic nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked carefully th
e airspeed would increase slowly).
-
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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Yes, turbulence in the fuel line caused by the fuel pump. Same thing for
me. The only solution would be to move the sensor..
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
Guys-
I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone provide a
suitable answer?
When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow will
increase approx 10%.
I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No
metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked carefully
the airspeed would increase slowly).
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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Bill,
Here's my untested, unscientific, uneverything opinion:
In the stock location, the cube gets fuel pushed and pulled through it. The
boost pump is essentially a steady pressure on one side of the vane, but I
suspect that the mechanical diaphragm pump is pulling in pulses on the other
side. As the vanes in the cube rotate, they see a steady pressure on the
downstream side from the boost pump, but they get accelerated when the
mechanical pump makes a stroke and lowers the pressure on the upstream side.
So the vane spins a little faster when it sees the larger differential
pressure. Of course there has to be some pressure difference or the vane
wouldn't move, but I think the pulses from the upstream pump are the cause.
A few months ago we moved a customer's sender from the stock location to the
"approved" location between the servo and the spider. The problem
disappeared. I plan on moving mine, too.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
Guys-
I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone provide a
suitable answer?
When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow will
increase approx 10%.
I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No
metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked carefully
the airspeed would increase slowly).
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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I've always heard it's cavitation, but I have no proof.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Guys-
> I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone provide
> a suitable answer?
>
> When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow will
> increase approx 10%.
>
> I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No
> metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked
> carefully the airspeed would increase slowly).
>
> Thanks,
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
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| Subject: | Re: Preferred tablet |
I used a regular old Dell laptop hooked up to a NavAero tPad800 in my Turbo Arrow
for several years. Nice low cost solution. tPad is small enough to yoke-mount,
but had 800x600 resolution. Down-side is the sunlight readability claim
is over-rated, you need to keep it in shade (movable sunshades worked fine).
Never had a problem with the laptop hard drive or software even at altitudes up
into the upper teens, or in turbulence. Turn it on, hook up a couple USB ports,
and throw it into the seat-back pocket was all we did. Although it has a
touchscreen, you'd be better served by plugging in a portable trackball and velcroing
it someplace convenient. That would mostly eliminate the concern over
control in turbulence. Great having the laptop along to use on the ground too.
For software, I was using RMSTek's Flightsoft and Vista. Low cost, full VFR/IFR
geo-referenced (including approach) moving maps, weather, etc. Worked pretty
well, but not as fancy or as feature-rich as Voyager, which I am going to switch
to for the RV. They kept updating the software regularly to improve it,
and support was excellent.
I plan on running a newer laptop into a 10" panel-mounted sun-bright LCD display
for the RV. Now, if I can only figure out a way to output the laptop flight
plan data onto the EFIS data stream like the Garmin's do...
Dwight
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223175#223175
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| Subject: | Trim Cable Attachments |
Trim Cable Attachments are gone.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attachments
Chuck
Yes I am very interested. I am working on the HS right now.
Please contact me off line and I will get you a check send off asap.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attachments
I made a mistake. When I ordered two trim cable attachment brackets from
Full Throttle Concepts http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm I received
two sets of two. Thought they were priced individually. These are
replacements to the Vans part # WD-415. So, I have an extra set I would
like to get off my hands. The price is $38 plus shipping. Anybody
interested let me know and I will get them off to you ASAP. You can write
me off line at cchenry01@hotmail.com.
Chuck Henry
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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This has been discussed a fair bit on the list in the past. In the
stock location there is always an increase in reading even though the
actual flow doesn't necessarily change. In talking to the floscan
people they said it has something to do with the pulses sent out by
the electric pump that somehow makes it read higher. It may be
cavitation as Tim mentioned, but you don't have to sweat it (unless
you smell fuel when it's on, of course, or find a leak somewhere).
That section of line is not under high pressure unless the boost pump
is on, so a poor seal could leak when the pump is on and not when it
is off, but you would know if it was.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Guys-
> I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone
> provide a suitable answer?
>
> When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow
> will increase approx 10%.
>
> I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells.
> No metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I
> looked carefully the airspeed would increase slowly).
>
> Thanks,
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune |
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| Subject: | Re: How to create epoxy threads |
Thanks guys! I understand now what to do.
Werner, I am back now from Austria and finalize the panel.
Cheers
Michael
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RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
#511
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Hmm, on certified aircraft with Bendix RSA injection systems the sending
unit cube is normally installed between the mechanical pump and the fuel
servo. Given the line to the spyder is shorter and vertical, finding a
location with enough straight run would be a challenge.
Usually recommended in the middle of the line between the pump and
servo, to give it some vibration isolation, as well as straight hose
sections before and after the cube.
The sending unit used on systems like Continentals is different because
of the fuel return line, and I believe most of those are installed
between the servo and spyder.
Kelly
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Here's my untested, unscientific, uneverything opinion:
>
> In the stock location, the cube gets fuel pushed and pulled through
> it. The boost pump is essentially a steady pressure on one side of
> the vane, but I suspect that the mechanical diaphragm pump is pulling
> in pulses on the other side. As the vanes in the cube rotate, they
> see a steady pressure on the downstream side from the boost pump, but
> they get accelerated when the mechanical pump makes a stroke and
> lowers the pressure on the upstream side. So the vane spins a little
> faster when it sees the larger differential pressure. Of course there
> has to be some pressure difference or the vane wouldn't move, but I
> think the pulses from the upstream pump are the cause.
>
> A few months ago we moved a customer's sender from the stock location
> to the "approved" location between the servo and the spider. The
> problem disappeared. I plan on moving mine, too.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> DeRouchey
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:22 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Fuel Flow
>
> Guys-
> I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone
> provide a suitable answer?
>
> When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow
> will increase approx 10%.
>
> I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No
> metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked
> carefully the airspeed would increase slowly).
>
> Thanks,
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> *
>
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I believe that is why Matt developed this.....
http://www.matronics.com/fuelchec/dampener.html
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
This has been discussed a fair bit on the list in the past. In the stock l
ocation there is always an increase in reading even though the actual flow
doesn't necessarily change. In talking to the floscan people they said it
has something to do with the pulses sent out by the electric pump that some
how makes it read higher. It may be cavitation as Tim mentioned, but you d
on't have to sweat it (unless you smell fuel when it's on, of course, or fi
nd a leak somewhere). That section of line is not under high pressure unle
ss the boost pump is on, so a poor seal could leak when the pump is on and
not when it is off, but you would know if it was.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
Guys-
I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone provide a
suitable answer?
When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow will inc
rease approx 10%.
I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No metr
ic nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked carefully th
e airspeed would increase slowly).
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune |
forgive the Black and white it looks better in color, but it read better
off the scanner using B&W.
If you ever are in sunny (warm) southern California, let me know, it's
slightly warmer here, although it does snow... in the mountains!!
Pascal
From: Len Aune
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune
Thanks Pascal. Living in Canada means getting magazines later than you
folks down south. I have not received my copy yet and wasn't aware that
my story was even in there. Flying has slowed down with record snowfalls
and I will be doing the nasty tail mod soon as well.
Lenord Aune
~=B2=03
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suppose sending the article would help
Pascal
From: pascal
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune
forgive the Black and white it looks better in color, but it read better
off the scanner using B&W.
If you ever are in sunny (warm) southern California, let me know, it's
slightly warmer here, although it does snow... in the mountains!!
Pascal
From: Len Aune
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Sport Aviation Article by Lenord Aune
Thanks Pascal. Living in Canada means getting magazines later than you
folks down south. I have not received my copy yet and wasn't aware that
my story was even in there. Flying has slowed down with record snowfalls
and I will be doing the nasty tail mod soon as well.
Lenord Aune
~=B2=03
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| Subject: | Re: Brake system questions. |
Just a fast note:
"Thank you all for the great comments on our lines."
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
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Trust me...this group would knock your legs out if you didn't do such a great job!!
:) Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave
me at OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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From: "ThisOne" <thisone58@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 1:02:14 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Just a fast note:
"Thank you all for the great comments on our lines."
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
Read this topic online here:
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Curiosity aroused here. Apart from when switching tanks, and assuming
the mechanical (engine driven) pump is working ok, under what conditions
would you be using the electric fuel pump in cruise? If the mechanical
pump goes u/s, and the electrical pump is now the main fuel pump, is
there still a problem with overreading flow?
you know - enquiring minds etc . . .
cheers
Ron
-187, fiddly bits and paperwork
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2009 7:02 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
I believe that is why Matt developed this.....
http://www.matronics.com/fuelchec/dampener.html
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:25 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
This has been discussed a fair bit on the list in the past. In
the stock location there is always an increase in reading even though
the actual flow doesn't necessarily change. In talking to the floscan
people they said it has something to do with the pulses sent out by the
electric pump that somehow makes it read higher. It may be cavitation
as Tim mentioned, but you don't have to sweat it (unless you smell fuel
when it's on, of course, or find a leak somewhere). That section of
line is not under high pressure unless the boost pump is on, so a poor
seal could leak when the pump is on and not when it is off, but you
would know if it was.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
Guys-
I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone provide
a suitable answer?
When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow will
increase approx 10%.
I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No
metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked
carefully the airspeed would increase slowly).
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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Accumulators are a valued asset. Thanks Michael for reminding me (all
of us) of Matt's contribution. Its use does not mitigate correct
placement of the sensor in the scheme of things.
And kudo's to Tim for the use of the word "cavitation". We see lots of
problems with low fluid level, fluid contaminates, pump impeller
function and cavitation. Correct fuel pressure indication is a Valued
thing. It reminded me how inefficient air impellers are in grand design
of moving air (to which there is little direction connection to this
thread).
John Cox
#40600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tue 1/6/2009 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
I believe that is why Matt developed this.....
http://www.matronics.com/fuelchec/dampener.html
Michael
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Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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It's a bit small. Might need to change that to a shot glass and tequila.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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Neal,
I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving
away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like me)
would ever let an officer use such a silly tiny beer bong as you suggest. I
thought after all these years you college boys would have learned to support and
take care of yourselves...but then when you drink you play that game of pool
with no cues..what's it called??? Crud??
Rick Sked
40185
Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
Paint prep
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:22:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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I think it is Miller time!!!!
Gary Specketer
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Neal,
I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are
giving away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO
(like me) would ever let an officer use such a silly tiny beer bong as you
suggest. I thought after all these years you college boys would have learned
to support and take care of yourselves...but then when you drink you play
that game of pool with no cues..what's it called??? Crud??
Rick Sked
40185
Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
Paint prep
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:22:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at
OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co wrote:
> Neal,
>
> I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving
away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like
me)
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
> Paint prep
> do not archive
> ---
Rick,
I wish I had known that you were on active duty....I give 10% off for those who
are.
And may I say "Thank You" for your duty.
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
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Rick,
My self being a retired USAP NCO, I would totally agree with you, and being
a retired Aircrew member for 13 yrs I would totally agree. HEHEHE.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Neal,
I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are
giving away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO
(like me) would ever let an officer use such a silly tiny beer bong as you
suggest. I thought after all these years you college boys would have learned
to support and take care of yourselves...but then when you drink you play
that game of pool with no cues..what's it called??? Crud??
Rick Sked
40185
Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
Paint prep
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:22:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at
OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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Not sure how I missed that the floscan is in the wrong location the last
couple of years..
Dave;
I don't see any room to move my floscan from the Van's plans location to
near the spider, how did you make it so it all fits?
Thanks!
Pascal
From: Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
Bill,
Here's my untested, unscientific, uneverything opinion:
In the stock location, the cube gets fuel pushed and pulled through it.
The boost pump is essentially a steady pressure on one side of the vane,
but I suspect that the mechanical diaphragm pump is pulling in pulses on
the other side. As the vanes in the cube rotate, they see a steady
pressure on the downstream side from the boost pump, but they get
accelerated when the mechanical pump makes a stroke and lowers the
pressure on the upstream side. So the vane spins a little faster when
it sees the larger differential pressure. Of course there has to be
some pressure difference or the vane wouldn't move, but I think the
pulses from the upstream pump are the cause.
A few months ago we moved a customer's sender from the stock location to
the "approved" location between the servo and the spider. The problem
disappeared. I plan on moving mine, too.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow
Guys-
I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone
provide a suitable answer?
When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow
will increase approx 10%.
I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel
smells. No metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I
looked carefully the airspeed would increase slowly).
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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Thanks Brett for the comments.
I was active duty....retired in 1995,must have been my boyish good looks that fooled
you!! We had our little Gulf War in comparison to the current war....the
Men & Women of Iraqi Freedom deserve much more than us Ronald Reagan Warriors,
we had trained hard and long to go head to head with the Soviets, In 1986 (IIRC)
in the 474th TFW we generated over 1000 sorties with 56 block 10 F-16A's
in a 4 day period during an ORI, almost unheard of mission capable rates for
that aircraft in that time. From there over to the ROK in 1989 and did the same
thing with the Puking Pups in the 36th TFS. Every wing in the USAF during that
time was doing the same thing. God help any enemy we were tasked to to fight
during time. And I don't mean to take anything away from our current troops,
it's just we had been behind the picket fence for 10 years and were getting tired
of that kid with the stick running back and forth tapping on the fence. General
Chuck Horner was my first Wing Commander. Excellent men and leaders such
as General Horner shaped the forces you see today. I am just proud to be a small
part of it. Thanks to you and so many people and business's who offer a break
to the military. Most of us would say thanks...but the honor was ours. I
hope I didn't offend or cross the line with this post, I can't explain the pride
that comes with service, those that have served know what I mean. One of those
things just have to experience it yourself.
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ThisOne" <thisone58@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 4:53:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
ricksked(at)embarqmail.co wrote:
> Neal,
>
> I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving
away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like
me)
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
> Paint prep
> do not archive
> ---
Rick,
I wish I had known that you were on active duty....I give 10% off for those who
are.
And may I say "Thank You" for your duty.
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
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Love to see talk about the RV10.=C2- war politics...there may be another
site for that
Brian
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You go telling everybody that and I won't have any public dignity at all.
While I'll admit a certain preference for gin or bourbon, I've been known to settle
for beer. Given a choice, I'll pick one you can't see thru, and if it pours
like motor oil, so much the better. It tends to be expensive, so I figure
having to drag it thru an AN3 hose might make it last a little longer, thus spreading
the expense and enjoyment over a few minutes, rather than mere seconds.
As for that game those idiots play, I've heard of it. Tried to avoid losing my
beverage walking around it the one time I was in one of THOSE establishments,
but I ain't never participated in such a thing. Do you know I had people from
all over the world calling me the day after Patrick's O'Club burned down, wandering
where I was last night? (I was buying marshmallows and looking for a
stick to cut that wasn't oleander, but I didn't throw the match.)
It would appear I would have made a much better MSgt than Capt...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Neal,
I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving
away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like me)
would ever let an officer use such a silly tiny beer bong as you suggest. I
thought after all these years you college boys would have learned to support and
take care of yourselves...but then when you drink you play that game of pool
with no cues..what's it called??? Crud??
Rick Sked
40185
Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
Paint prep
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:22:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
do not archive
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Brian,
Maybe...but you underestimate the number of=C2-builders on this site who
have sacrificed and appreciate those who have sacrificed=C2-so you can te
ll us to go somewhere else. Note that I said I hoped I didn't cross the lin
e or offend anyone, but thanks for speaking up...As I stop here before real
ly telling you what I think. Your right....sorry for for being a proud Amer
ican and Warrior, I regress.
Rick Sked
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From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:42:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: rv10
Love to see talk about the RV10.=C2- war politics...there may be another
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| Subject: | Re: Brake system questions. |
Yes Sir..I stand corrected...just glad you sold my my Andair valve!!
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:56:42 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
You go telling everybody that and I won't have any public dignity at all.
While I'll admit a certain preference for gin or bourbon, I've been known to settle
for beer. Given a choice, I'll pick one you can't see thru, and if it pours
like motor oil, so much the better. It tends to be expensive, so I figure
having to drag it thru an AN3 hose might make it last a little longer, thus spreading
the expense and enjoyment over a few minutes, rather than mere seconds.
As for that game those idiots play, I've heard of it. Tried to avoid losing my
beverage walking around it the one time I was in one of THOSE establishments,
but I ain't never participated in such a thing. Do you know I had people from
all over the world calling me the day after Patrick's O'Club burned down, wandering
where I was last night? (I was buying marshmallows and looking for a
stick to cut that wasn't oleander, but I didn't throw the match.)
It would appear I would have made a much better MSgt than Capt...
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Neal,
I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving
away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like me)
would ever let an officer use such a silly tiny beer bong as you suggest. I
thought after all these years you college boys would have learned to support and
take care of yourselves...but then when you drink you play that game of pool
with no cues..what's it called??? Crud??
Rick Sked
40185
Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat
Paint prep
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:22:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake system questions.
Attach it to a funnel and add beer.
neal
Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!
Rick sked
40185
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net wrote:
> Not sure how I missed that the floscan is in the wrong location the last couple
of years..
> Dave;
> I dont see any room to move my floscan from the Van's plans location to near
the spider, how did you make it so it all fits?
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
Pascal,
Go to Robs forum at
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=454
about the 4th message you will find a picture. I am currently in the process of
doing the same thing but it will be another couple weeks before I will have
it finished so I can't get any pictures now.
Basically you place the transducer between the servo and the spider. If you are
not doing an electronic ignition, you could also place the transducer on top
of the engine just before it enters the spider.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Engine, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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I had this problem on my RV-6A. Problem was caused by the fuel pulses
from the electric pump. Solved the problem by putting a Fram G3 clear
plastic fuel filter between the electric fuel pump and the fuel flow
sensor. Then I "burped" air into the Fram G3 so that it (the filter)
was 1/2 full of air. The air dampens the pressure pulses, now flow
meter reads essentially the same (in steady state) with or without the
electric boost pump engaged. (Out of an abundance of caution I poked a
hole in the fuel filter's internal baffle to provide an alternate fluid
path in case "crap" or ice crystals ever accumulate in the filter elements.)
I found that during aerobatics the Fram G3 would sometimes loose all
it's air (it would end up being full of fuel). In that situation, on
the ground with the engine running, I'd "burp" more air into the filter
by setting the fuel selector at "off" while removing that little brass
plug that blocks the fuel selector's "off" input port.
Matronics sells a device that will accomplish the same thing. See
http://www.matronics.com/fuelchec/dampener.html. I'll probably use the
Matronics device if I see the problem in my RV-10, because I'm not
comfortable operating a Fram G3 at high fuel pressure.
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Guys-
> I have beat my brain over this issue with no success. Can anyone
> provide a suitable answer?
>
> When I turn on my electrical fuel pump during cruise the fuel flow
> will increase approx 10%.
>
> I have the standard Vans setup. There are no leaks nor fuel smells. No
> metric nor sound on the engine changes (although maybe if I looked
> carefully the airspeed would increase slowly).
>
> Thanks,
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Those darned main gear fairings and wheel pants |
Just finished the nose wheel pant and fairing - an ugly task with lots of trimming
and fitting and FG dust everywhere. Now I need to start the main gear fairings
and wheel pants. It would seem easier to do it now, before the wings are
on and the engine is mounted.
Question:
Vans directions say to jack the plane up so that the wheels simulate their position
in flight. Right now with the tail supported and the nose wheel kissing the
surface, I figure that the plane is about 500-600 lbs total with no more than
200-250 lbs on each wheel. Has anyone fitted their main fairings and wheel
pants in this state without jacking the plane up? With only 1/3 of the loaded
weight on the gear now will it make that much difference. The "toe in" of the
wheels is quite evident....... curious on any feedback.
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Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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