---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/07/09: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: Those darned main gear fairings and wheel pants (David Hertner) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: rv10 (cloudvalley@comcast.net) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: rv10 (cloudvalley@comcast.net) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: rv10 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 5. 06:28 AM - Re: Fuel Flow (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 6. 07:00 AM - Re: rv10 (pascal) 7. 07:54 AM - Re: RV10-List - hooting noise (Len Aune) 8. 08:09 AM - Re: rv10 (Rick Sked) 9. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise (John Jessen) 10. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise (linn Walters) 11. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 12. 01:31 PM - Re: c'sinks: (Jeff Carpenter) 13. 02:46 PM - Powered tow bars (Sheldon Olesen) 14. 03:24 PM - Re: Powered tow bars (Rene Felker) 15. 03:38 PM - Re: Powered tow bars (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 16. 04:06 PM - Re: Powered tow bars (Robin Marks) 17. 04:10 PM - Re: Powered tow bars (Tim Olson) 18. 04:51 PM - Re: Powered tow bars (linn Walters) 19. 04:51 PM - Re: Powered tow bars (gary) 20. 07:12 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (Bill DeRouchey) 21. 08:06 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (Tim Olson) 22. 08:12 PM - Re: Fuel Flow (Miller John) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:02 AM PST US From: David Hertner Subject: Re: RV10-List: Those darned main gear fairings and wheel pants Mike, I had a wooden box-like cradle that I used to support the main fuselage while I worked on it that I used along with a floor jack to raise the fuselage off of the floor. This along with a telescoping tail stand allowed me to set the tail hight then jack the front up until I had the proper angle. Once in place I took two pieces of 1"x 2" and screwed them to the outboard sides of the cradle. I kept the jack under the cradle as a safety precaution. This gave me a stable tripod and all the room needed to snap the line on the floor, make measurements to the wheel pants and enough room to work around the main gear legs safely. Hope this helps. Dave -- Dave Hertner President Effectus AeroProducts Inc. Kit Aircraft Component Manufacturing Machining - Fabrication - Laser/Water-Jet Cutting Blog: http://www.kitaircraftmods.com Email: davehertner@effectus-aeroproducts.com Phone: (519) 933-2055 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 AM PST US From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Rick, =C2-You know nothing about me or any sacrifices I have made, so don't giv e me that ok? Let's talk about planes. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sked" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:08:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Brian, Maybe...but you underestimate the number of=C2-builders on this site who have sacrificed and appreciate those who have sacrificed=C2-so you can te ll us to go somewhere else. Note that I said I hoped I didn't cross the lin e or offend anyone, but thanks for speaking up...As I stop here before real ly telling you what I think. Your right....sorry for for being a proud Amer ican and Warrior, I regress. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:42:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: rv10 Love to see talk about the RV10.=C2- war politics...there may be another site for that =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:54 AM PST US From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Hey Rick, Sorry I said anything Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sked" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:08:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Brian, Maybe...but you underestimate the number of=C2-builders on this site who have sacrificed and appreciate those who have sacrificed=C2-so you can te ll us to go somewhere else. Note that I said I hoped I didn't cross the lin e or offend anyone, but thanks for speaking up...As I stop here before real ly telling you what I think. Your right....sorry for for being a proud Amer ican and Warrior, I regress. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:42:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: rv10 Love to see talk about the RV10.=C2- war politics...there may be another site for that =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:48 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: 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If the error is really apparent, I would try Matt's dampener befo re trying to relocate it. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Not sure how I missed that the floscan is in the wrong location the last co uple of years.. Dave; I don't see any room to move my floscan from the Van's plans location to ne ar the spider, how did you make it so it all fits? Thanks! Pascal ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:33 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Brian; you're right there is a place for this, but as a group who share a common aircraft I find it fine to allow us to express our thoughts especially in this case. I too served and quite understand what Rick is saying, he was just sharing his thoughts and I find that more than acceptable when one understands what is behind it all. Pascal From: Rick Sked Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Brian, Maybe...but you underestimate the number of builders on this site who have sacrificed and appreciate those who have sacrificed so you can tell us to go somewhere else. Note that I said I hoped I didn't cross the line or offend anyone, but thanks for speaking up...As I stop here before really telling you what I think. Your right....sorry for for being a proud American and Warrior, I regress. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:42:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: rv10 Love to see talk about the RV10. war politics...there may be another site for that Brian 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:14 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise From: Len Aune V2UgaGF2ZSBhIGhvb3Rpbmcgbm9pc2Ugd2hlbiBoZWF0IGlzIHNlbGVjdGVkIHRvIHRoZSBjYWJp bi4gIFNvdW5kcyBsaWtlDQphaXIgZmxvdyBub2lzZSBhaGVhZCBvZiB0aGUgZmlyZXdhbGwuIEFu eWJvZHkgZWxzZSBlbmNvdW50ZXIgdGhpcw0KcGhlbm9tZW51bT8NCg0KTGVub3JkIEF1bmUNCklu c3RydWN0b3IsIEFkbWluaXN0cmF0b3INCkJyaXRpc2ggQ29sdW1iaWEgSW5zdGl0dXRlIG9mIFRl Y2hub2xvZ3kNCktlbG93bmEgQWVyb3NwYWNlIENhbXB1cw0KNTU2MCBBZXJvc3BhY2UgRHJpdmUs IEtlbG93bmEgSW50ZXJuYXRpb25hbCBBaXJwb3J0DQpLZWxvd25hLCAgQi4gQy4gVjFWIDFTMQ0K MjUwLjQ5MS0zOTQzICAvIDI1MC44NjktNTkxMEMvMjUwIDgwNy0yODE0Rg0K ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:34 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Sorry for my rant, there are few things I am passionate about and that was one of them. Plus I'm really proud to have been part of such a great team. So Brian...I apologize, speak away...that's what makes us a great country. Now back to getting this bird ready to prime. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:18:42 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: rv10 =C2- Amen brother.=C2- While I don=99t think Brian meant anything negative towards anyone that has served in any nation or capacity, I also don=99t think anyone=99s politics were brought up.=C2- Just a couple guys reminiscing about past service with an aviation theme. =C2- Regardless of what any of our past, present, or future boneheaded le aders may ask our nations forces to do, those people that give up their liv es, families, personal freedoms, or anything else to serve at the whim of t hose leaders are NEVER, EVER, to be disrespected!=C2- That is one line th at should not be crossed no matter what your political views are and it is one of the few things that will seriously awaken this sleeping bear.=C2- Now back to building. Michael Always one foot on that soapbox Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: rv10 Brian, Maybe...but you underestimate the number of=C2-builders on this site who have sacrificed and appreciate those who have sacrificed=C2-so you can te ll us to go somewhere else. Note that I said I hoped I didn't cross the lin e or offend anyone, but thanks for speaking up...As I stop here before real ly telling you what I think. Your right....sorry for for being a proud Amer ican and Warrior, I regress. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:42:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: rv10 Love to see talk about the RV10.=C2- war politics...there may be another site for that =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -M =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =C2- =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD%=EF=BD=EF=BDM4=EF=BD=EF=BDx=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDw=EF=BDr=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:04 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise What have you been eating? Sorry, couldn't help it....... do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Len Aune Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise We have a hooting noise when heat is selected to the cabin. Sounds like air flow noise ahead of the firewall. Anybody else encounter this phenomenum? Lenord Aune Instructor, Administrator British Columbia Institute of Technology Kelowna Aerospace Campus 5560 Aerospace Drive, Kelowna International Airport Kelowna, B. C. V1V 1S1 250.491-3943 / 250.869-5910C/250 807-2814F &7~ 2,=03g=16SS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:21 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise Len Aune wrote: > > We have a hooting noise when heat is selected to the cabin. Sounds > like air flow noise ahead of the firewall. Anybody else encounter this > phenomenum? > Removal of the owl nesting in the cowl removed the noise. Sorry, I just couldn't let that one go by. My bad!!!! :-P My real answer is ...... no. Linn BTW, do they have owls that far north???? do not archive > > > Lenord Aune > Instructor, Administrator > British Columbia Institute of Technology > Kelowna Aerospace Campus > 5560 Aerospace Drive, Kelowna International Airport > Kelowna, B. C. V1V 1S1 > 250.491-3943 / 250.869-5910C/250 807-2814F > ~,gM4Gqz.'8E]t.+-fZ+`axr^jzZ(j|n)b'!j'+ry'C > { > ,x(ZP!jrrj|-&j',r5hum > 'oj j+E]t.+-08IaT1 jg > rz{Zi^&lZ+ky+k&j',r+k&j',rhB{ky.+jY^.+-i0fr((nbxm-&j',rr&*''k{w/tml > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:16 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise If I had to guess, it sounds like there is enough velocity in the duct to whistle between some openings. Might also be as simple as a piece of tape or a tail on the SCAT that is acting like a reed. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List - hooting noise Len Aune wrote: > > We have a hooting noise when heat is selected to the cabin. Sounds > like air flow noise ahead of the firewall. Anybody else encounter this > phenomenum? > Removal of the owl nesting in the cowl removed the noise. Sorry, I just couldn't let that one go by. My bad!!!! :-P My real answer is ...... no. Linn BTW, do they have owls that far north???? do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:56 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: RV10-List: Re: c'sinks: Thank you Bob. I appreciate your prompt and honest service. Jeff On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Bob Avery wrote: > Jeff: > > Received the (2) countersink cages today. > > The large one just needed the bearings pressed back in (not sure > how they could move out as all the force in using the cage pushes > the bearings into the stop). Try it for a while ' it should be fine. > > The small one I replaced with a new one (no charge). I took your > cage apart and everything looked fine inside; I re-oiled the needle > bearings & thrust bearing; reassembled and tried it on some scrap > material ' seemed to be consistent on depth cuts ' could not find > anything to cause in-consistency on cuts, but will send you a new > one anyway. I=92ll keep the old one here and use it in house (can > always use a spare one in the shop). > > These will go out by mail tomorrow. > > Regards; > > Bob Avery ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:49 PM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: Powered tow bars After finding out that I am too weak and puny to pull my 10 back in the hanger by myself, I'm in the market for a powered tow bar or winch. Any recommendations? Sheldon Olesen N475PV--0.6 hours ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:52 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Powered tow bars This is the one I have... http://www.powertow.com/12V.html Works great, I have a slight up hill into the hanger and a lip in the hanger. Doesn't fit right with the fairing on the nose wheel, so I have a little bit of work to do on it to make it work a little better. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Powered tow bars After finding out that I am too weak and puny to pull my 10 back in the hanger by myself, I'm in the market for a powered tow bar or winch. Any recommendations? Sheldon Olesen N475PV--0.6 hours ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:57 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Powered tow bars If you are so inclined to make your own (you built an airplane after all :-D) the April 2005 Kitplanes had an article on a DIY powered tow bar made from various salvaged parts. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Powered tow bars After finding out that I am too weak and puny to pull my 10 back in the hanger by myself, I'm in the market for a powered tow bar or winch. Any recommendations? Sheldon Olesen N475PV--0.6 hours ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:15 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Powered tow bars From: "Robin Marks" I purchased a cool (used) EZGO dump bed golf cart (gas model) used for golf course maintenance work. It has a towing hook up on both the front & rear of the frame. I plan to use that to move my -10. Because there is a hook up in front I can look at the plane as I move it around. I will have to fabricate the tow mechanism but that should not be an issue. For about the same price as the prebuilt ones I also have an airport get around cart and a good training cart to teach my daughter how to drive. BRAKE, BRAKE, BRAKE, WATCH OUT FOR THAT CIRRUS! Robin Some people have used rider lawnmowers. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:31 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powered tow bars Sheldon, I've been considering the same thing. I have an incline, and my hangar faces in a direction that causes me to have about .5-1" of ice in front of my hangar lots of times in the winter. I barely made it in alone last weekend. So I was thinking something like this with a winter studded tire would help. http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=14093 They're here in-state, besides... I did consider pulling it in tail first with a winch, and even have a mount on the floor where I could attach it. But, I just don't like the idea of pulling on that tail eyelet at the angle it would take to pull it in. That bulkhead would hold up to a lot of down force, but I'm not sure how many pounds of rearward pull it can take. I was thinking of calling Van's on it. If I just had a way to pull about 15' of cable in with a winch, a pushbutton operated winch would be dirt cheap and work perfectly for me, and then I wouldn't even have to worry about studded tires. Let me know what you dig up. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Sheldon Olesen wrote: > > After finding out that I am too weak and puny to pull my 10 back in the > hanger by myself, I'm in the market for a powered tow bar or winch. Any > recommendations? > > Sheldon Olesen > N475PV--0.6 hours ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powered tow bars Us Grumman drivers have the same problem ..... and the solution is to loop a rope around the steps to make a bridle and tow with a winch. An electric boat winch works real good ..... or even a Harbor Freight winch. Linn Tim Olson wrote: > > Sheldon, > > I've been considering the same thing. I have an incline, and my hangar > faces in a direction that causes me to have about .5-1" of ice in front > of my hangar lots of times in the winter. I barely made it in alone > last weekend. So I was thinking something like this with a winter > studded tire would help. > > http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=14093 > They're here in-state, besides... > > I did consider pulling it in tail first with a winch, and even have > a mount on the floor where I could attach it. But, I just don't like > the idea of pulling on that tail eyelet at the angle it would take to > pull it in. That bulkhead would hold up to a lot of down force, but I'm > not sure how many pounds of rearward pull it can take. I was thinking > of calling Van's on it. If I just had a way to pull about 15' of > cable in with a winch, a pushbutton operated winch would be dirt > cheap and work perfectly for me, and then I wouldn't even have to > worry about studded tires. Let me know what you dig up. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Sheldon Olesen wrote: >> >> After finding out that I am too weak and puny to pull my 10 back in >> the hanger by myself, I'm in the market for a powered tow bar or >> winch. Any recommendations? >> >> Sheldon Olesen >> N475PV--0.6 hours > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Powered tow bars Another inexpensive option is to buy a used riding mower and use it as a tug. You can get them cheap because you don't need one that actually mows. I tried chains on my tug in MN and found out that it tears up the cement after a years worth of use. I went back to no chains. Gary Specketer 40274 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:13 PM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Good comments from everyone. I guess I was asleep last year when this was d iscussed. I read about Matts air-ball but since the stock tubing is straigh t before and after the flow sensor I thought it applied to a non-stock conf iguration. The only reason I had the electrical fuel pump on in cruise was to test the condition with the autopilot on so I could focus on the abnormality. It would seem that any modification or relocation of the fuel flow sensor c ould upset the calibration - so it must be recalibrated after the final con figuration is in place. It is very important to me that this value is corre ct since it is the basis of many calculations - reserve fuel at destination , horsepower, miles per gallon, and prop efficiency. Thanks all- Bill DeRouchey N939SB --- On Wed, 1/7/09, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrot e: From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Pascal, - - I wouldn=A2t worry about it much, lots of people have put it in the stock location.- If the error is really apparent, I would try Matt=A2s dampener before trying to relocate it.- - Michael - From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow - Not sure how I missed that the floscan is in the wrong location the last couple of years.. Dave; I don=A2t see any room to move my floscan from the Van's plans location to near the spider, how did y ou make it so it all fits? Thanks! Pascal ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:22 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Bill, While I do see the increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with mine installed in the stock location, it doesn't cause me any headaches. I only use the fuel boost for maybe 60 seconds during takeoff, and even on landing if I do, it's only for about 60 seconds again....just that timeframe that I'm under about 500' AGL. If you only use it a couple minutes during the flight, it won't change those readings much at all. I've consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2 gallons over a 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying about. In over 400 hours I've never had a fuel fillup that had any noticeable amount of difference over what the totalizer told me I should be adding. If you're going to use it for HP, and things like that, yeah, you'll get a little mis-reading for those few seconds that you use it. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Bill DeRouchey wrote: > Good comments from everyone. I guess I was asleep last year when this > was discussed. I read about Matts air-ball but since the stock tubing is > straight before and after the flow sensor I thought it applied to a > non-stock configuration. > > The only reason I had the electrical fuel pump on in cruise was to test > the condition with the autopilot on so I could focus on the abnormality. > > It would seem that any modification or relocation of the fuel flow > sensor could upset the calibration - so it must be recalibrated after > the final configuration is in place. It is very important to me that > this value is correct since it is the basis of many calculations - > reserve fuel at destination, horsepower, miles per gallon, and prop > efficiency. > > Thanks all- > Bill DeRouchey > N939SB > > > > > --- On *Wed, 1/7/09, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) > //* wrote: > > From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow > To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 6:25 AM > > Pascal, > > > > I wouldnt worry about it much, lots of people have put it in the > stock location. If the error is really apparent, I would try Matts > dampener before trying to relocate it. > > > > Michael > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *pascal > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:03 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow > > > > Not sure how I missed that the floscan is in the wrong location the > last couple of years.. > > Dave; > > I dont see any room to move my floscan from the Van's plans > location to near the spider, how did you make it so it all fits? > > Thanks! > > Pascal > > * > > ronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow My experience is the same as Tim says. grumpy N184JM I wouldn't worry about it unless you want to leave the thing on all the time, and then you'd have other problems to contend with. do not archive On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Bill, > > While I do see the increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with > mine installed in the stock location, it doesn't cause me any > headaches. I only use the fuel boost for maybe 60 seconds > during takeoff, and even on landing if I do, it's only for > about 60 seconds again....just that timeframe that I'm under > about 500' AGL. If you only use it a couple minutes during > the flight, it won't change those readings much at all. I've > consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2 gallons > over a 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying > about. In over 400 hours I've never had a fuel fillup that > had any noticeable amount of difference over what the totalizer > told me I should be adding. > > If you're going to use it for HP, and things like that, yeah, > you'll get a little mis-reading for those few seconds that > you use it. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Bill DeRouchey wrote: >> Good comments from everyone. I guess I was asleep last year when >> this was discussed. I read about Matts air-ball but since the stock >> tubing is straight before and after the flow sensor I thought it >> applied to a non-stock configuration. >> The only reason I had the electrical fuel pump on in cruise was to >> test the condition with the autopilot on so I could focus on the >> abnormality. >> It would seem that any modification or relocation of the fuel flow >> sensor could upset the calibration - so it must be recalibrated >> after the final configuration is in place. It is very important to >> me that this value is correct since it is the basis of many >> calculations - reserve fuel at destination, horsepower, miles per >> gallon, and prop efficiency. >> Thanks all- >> Bill DeRouchey >> N939SB >> --- On *Wed, 1/7/09, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) /> >/* wrote: >> From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow >> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" >> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 6:25 AM >> Pascal, >> I wouldnt worry about it much, lots of people have put >> it in the >> stock location. If the error is really apparent, I would try >> Matts >> dampener before trying to relocate it. Michael >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *pascal >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:03 PM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow >> Not sure how I missed that the floscan is in the wrong >> location the >> last couple of years.. >> Dave; >> I dont see any room to move my floscan from the Van's plans >> location to near the spider, how did you make it so it all fits? >> Thanks! >> Pascal >> * >> ronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> ronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> * >> * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.