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1. 05:03 AM - Re: Old subject revisited (nukeflyboy)
2. 05:55 AM - Nitrogen in Tires (John Brick)
3. 07:49 AM - Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints (AirMike)
4. 08:53 AM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (lbgjb10)
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints (linn Walters)
6. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (MauleDriver)
7. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (Ben Westfall)
8. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Audio Jacks (SteinAir, Inc.)
9. 05:19 PM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (lbgjb10)
10. 05:40 PM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (geoff Combs)
11. 06:51 PM - Maximum Panel Hieght (Nick Leonard)
12. 07:00 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (speckter@comcast.net)
13. 07:14 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Rene)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (n277dl)
15. 07:38 PM - F-10110-R? (westexflyboy)
16. 07:48 PM - Re: F-10110-R? (McGANN, Ron)
17. 07:51 PM - Brake lines (dogsbark@comcast.net)
18. 08:04 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Deems Davis)
19. 08:04 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (linn Walters)
20. 08:04 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (linn Walters)
21. 08:47 PM - Re: F-10110-R? (MauleDriver)
22. 09:02 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Vernon Smith)
23. 09:09 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Dave Leikam)
24. 09:41 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Rene)
25. 09:46 PM - Nose Wheel Axle (Scott Schmidt)
26. 09:46 PM - Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints (AirMike)
27. 09:50 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (linn Walters)
28. 10:36 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Scott Schmidt)
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| Subject: | Re: Old subject revisited |
Air is funny stuff, but it acts predictably. It is a fair assumption that oxygen
doesn't react with the tire appreciably over a 30 day period, therefore the
rate of deflation is a function of the diffusion rate across the membrane. In
these physical exchanges, molecular size matters. Nitrogen gas (N2) has a molecular
weight of 28, while oxygen gas (O2)has a molecular weight of 32. This
reflects a difference in size of the molecule and based on this you would predict
that nitrogen will leak out faster. I really think that all this effort
to put N2 in your tires is bad science and wasted effort, or perhaps a way to
extract a few more $ from you from the A&P. As the previous post points out,
N2 can be used but it is driven by other reasons, not leak rate.
By the way, humid air is less dense than dry air for the same reason. Water molecules
with a molecular weight of 18 displace N2/O2 molecules which have a proportional
molecular weight of about 31 making the average fluid denity less.
The same principle is behind reverse osmosis units.
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RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Nitrogen in Tires |
Previous thread under "Old subject revisited"
I filled my tires with nitrogen a while back and they don't leak down
anymore... not much anyway, what a blessing. At the same time, I replaced my
inner tubes with Michelin Airstop tubes, so I'm not sure how much to credit
nitrogen for the improvement.
Curt Bryan also put nitrogen in his tires with the same result...very little
leak down. But he too botched the experiment by further tightening the valve
cores just to make sure they didn't leak.
Consumer Reports did a study on this by inflating 31 pairs of tires of
various models to 30 psi. One of each pair had nitrogen, the other air. They
were set outside for one year and then rechecked. They found that on average
the air filled tires dropped 3.5 psi, while the nitrogen filled tires
dropped 2.2 psi; a difference of 1.3 psi. Yes they were careful to measure
pressure at the same temperature, etc., etc. I assume they were tubeless
tires... not sure how that would make a difference but maybe it would. But
even if you have a much greater pressure loss due to actual tire use,
landing or braking technique, or whatever; there is only a 4.3 (four point
three) percent difference in air vs nitrogen. Hardly even measurable it
would seem.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/10/tires-nitrogen-.html
Airliners and race cars use nitrogen too:
Air is a mixture of gases, not a gas in itself like oxygen or nitrogen;
there is no such thing as a molecule of air. Air is 78% Nitrogen, 21%
Oxygen, and 1% other stuff such as argon, carbon dioxide, neon, helium,
hydrogen, methane and krypton, not to mention a huge list of pollutants and
water vapor. The presence of water vapor in the air naturally dilutes or
displaces the other air components as its concentration increases. Water
vapor expands and contracts with temperature changes at a much greater rate
than air. NASCAR teams use nitrogen because it allows them to more
accurately predict tire pressure fluctuation. Nitrogen fluctuates with
temperature change, but it does so less than when water vapor is present.
The FAA requires nitrogen in all commercial aircraft tires to eliminate the
potential for water vapor from freezing at high altitudes. Also, nitrogen,
unlike oxygen, is not corrosive (no oxidation) and will not support
combustion.
If you want to rummage around on the internet you can look into molecular
weights, permeability coefficients, Fick's Law of Diffusion, Henry's Law of
Solubilities, Graham's Law of Effusion, and other fascinating gobbledygook,
to find out that O2 permeates faster through rubber than does N2. So if that
is true, and you keep filling your tires with air, and the oxygen keeps
leaking out faster than nitrogen, wouldn't you eventually end up with mostly
nitrogen anyway?
jb
RV-4
Tacoma
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nukeflyboy
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Old subject revisited
Air is funny stuff, but it acts predictably. It is a fair assumption that
oxygen doesn't react with the tire appreciably over a 30 day period,
therefore the rate of deflation is a function of the diffusion rate across
the membrane. In these physical exchanges, molecular size matters.
Nitrogen gas (N2) has a molecular weight of 28, while oxygen gas (O2)has a
molecular weight of 32. This reflects a difference in size of the molecule
and based on this you would predict that nitrogen will leak out faster. I
really think that all this effort to put N2 in your tires is bad science and
wasted effort, or perhaps a way to extract a few more $ from you from the
A&P. As the previous post points out, N2 can be used but it is driven by
other reasons, not leak rate.
By the way, humid air is less dense than dry air for the same reason. Water
molecules with a molecular weight of 18 displace N2/O2 molecules which have
a proportional molecular weight of about 31 making the average fluid denity
less. The same principle is behind reverse osmosis units.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints |
I am proceeding on the messy (no - no - not fiberglass dust again) task of installing
the wheel pants and gear fairings. I have departed from the plans at several
points. Suggestions
1. Fit the wheel pants before you install the wings. They will be under the wings
and access is whole lot easier earlier in the game. It is a very time consuming
task with a lot of fitting, measuring and back and forth between the wheels
and the bench.
2. I used the composite pieces left over from the windows as shim material to
"right size" the distance between the support flanges and the fairings.
3. Measure the centerline carefully. It is not always where you think it is.
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck |
I have dual AFS 3500 set up to change to 4500 with garmin 'stack' between. They
are 'shifted 'left' so all is easy to reach. I was initially concerned that
the panel lacked 'symmetry but since really appreciate how easy it is to reach
430/530 and the right AFS. The copilot still can use the right AFS and also
reach the radios. The autopilot also is in each reach, and easy to see. cheers.
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints |
I understand all of the items .... but #3 is kinda cryptic! Please
elaborate on that if you can.
Linn
do not archive
AirMike wrote:
>
> I am proceeding on the messy (no - no - not fiberglass dust again) task of installing
the wheel pants and gear fairings. I have departed from the plans at
several points. Suggestions
>
> 1. Fit the wheel pants before you install the wings. They will be under the wings
and access is whole lot easier earlier in the game. It is a very time consuming
task with a lot of fitting, measuring and back and forth between the wheels
and the bench.
>
> 2. I used the composite pieces left over from the windows as shim material to
"right size" the distance between the support flanges and the fairings.
>
> 3. Measure the centerline carefully. It is not always where you think it is.
>
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> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck |
Slightly off-topic, but here is my 3 screen GRT with Stein's "center
canted left" panel blank. Fair symmetry here but still pilot optimized.
Bill "wiring it up" Watson
40605
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck |
Larry I'd love to see pictures if you have them.
-Ben
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Don't discount Garmin entirely because of a few bad apples. The entire
company isn't that way. After dealing with them for years now, I can
honestly say that they are making a much better effort to work with the
homebuilders. A number of their people are RV builder who are really great
guys. They have in the past year created a new department within Garmin to
specialize and focus on LSA's and Homebuilders. While the OEM guys aren't
used to dealing with homebuilders, and admittedly Customer interaction is
not necessarily some of those guys strong points, there are a number of them
who are super to deal with. They have started listening, and listening for
real. Take for example the new 240 Audio panel. They actually designed that
thing 100% around experimental and LSA aircraft. It's Garmin's FIRST non
TSO'd product that is marketed exclusively to the non-certified world. On
top of that, they made it affordable and put all the functions in (and left
out others) that WE as homebuilders asked for...period!
Anyway, please don't judge the entire company by their inability to
communicate with you as a homebuilder. You have to understand they come
from a very different world, and while they are trying, this experimental
stuff is still somewhat new to them....but give them credit because they are
trying. Aside from that, at the moment there just aren't any good
alternatives.
Me, I like the Garmin guys for many reasons. I think if you were to work
through a credible dealer you'd find your experience to be quite different.
Garmin does not sell direct to homebuilders, therefore they really count on
their dealers to help them.
In the end I'd just encourage you not to rush to judgement on the entire
company and product line because I can tell you that is not representative
of the whole company. Here's another example of things I see as a
positive....they don't fly around in corporate jets - they have to fly
themselves around in single engine piston planes just like you and me. They
have made great leaps over the past year or two with homebuilders and I can
promise you they'll continue...based one what it coming down the pipeline!
Cheers,
Stein
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>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of johngoodman
>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:42 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Re: Audio Jacks
>
>
>
>I don't know about Garmin stuff - I'm not sure I want to go down
>that road. Everything they have is too pricey and they really
>treated me like a leper at Oshkosh. The minute I mentioned that a
>GNS430W was good enough and does it integrate with other brands,
>he started looking over my shoulder....
>It kind of reminds me of Microsoft. Bose is another that seems to
>think that they only excrete in clean, cellophane bags pre-tied
>with pretty pink ribbons.
>
>I'll look but I'll view any price increase as an opportunity to go
>elsewhere.
>
>John
>
>--------
>#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit is on it's way.
>N711JG reserved
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223943#223943
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck |
i'll see if i can get the picture attached. it's a crummy picture, but only one
i have of the panel. haven't finished it yet--still trying to figure out what
kind of labeling to do. i'll take some pictures next time at the hangar
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Larry and Gayle N104LG
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck |
I have developed a new panel for the RV-10 I am building and it will hold 2 AFS
advanced decks side by side. Here is a picture of the prototype
mock up in my Rv-10. In this picture the backups are above but I will put them
on the left side running vertical.
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Build QB RV-10 N829GW
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| Subject: | Maximum Panel Hieght |
I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem
with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products grip
and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having
to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance.
I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying
to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I
have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight?
Thanks,
Nick
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Panel Hieght |
I have the CH sticks and needed to also reweld the bases of the sticks to make
them clear the panel.
Gary Specketer
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From: "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com>
>
> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a
> problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products
> grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid
> having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward
> clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm
> trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do
I
> have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
>
> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any
> insight?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
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<DIV>I have the CH sticks and needed to also reweld the bases of the sticks to
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"Nick Leonard" <NICK@NLEONARD.COM><BR>> <BR>> I'm hoping to extend my panel
height to 13" but not sure that I will have a <BR>> problem with my forward
stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products <BR>> grip and
I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid <BR>> having
to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward <BR>>
clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and
I'm <BR>> trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement
or do I <BR>> have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
<BR>> <BR>> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can
you give me any <BR>> insight? <BR>> <BR>>
Thanks
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| Subject: | Maximum Panel Hieght |
I have a Stein panel and had to re-weld my stick.
Here is a copy of an e-mail from Scott Schmidt, he led the way for me and
gets the credit.....
"I had the same issues. There is nothing you can do with the rigging to
make it fit. I cut my stick toward the top, purchased some steel that was
the same grade and wall thickness. I can't remember what it was, but I
called Van's and they knew. I then extended the stick about 1" and also
angled it back just a little until it didn't hit anything. I hired a
professional tig welder to help me weld it up. It turned out great and I
actually like it back where it is.
Here is a picture of the finished product.
http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/1630837#101769967
Good luck.
Scott Schmidt
Office 801-990-1252
Cell 801-718-1277
Fax 801-990-1256
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com"
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a
problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH
Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying
to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick
forward clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom
panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the
forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up the the original
height?
Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any
insight?
Thanks,
Nick
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck |
ricksked(at)embarqmail.co wrote:
> Doug,
> I'm not sure you can get it to work with the stock panel. Heres mine with an
aftermarket panel and two 3500's. Stein sells one that will work though I'm sure.
This picture was well over a year ago, lots more airplane around it now.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ---
Rick, looks nice. How tall is the panel? Looks like Stein has a blank that is
~1.5" taller than Van's stock. I'm 6'5" so knee/leg room is key for me.
Thanks,
Doug
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Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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Van's Wiring Harness comes with a fuselage part F-10110-L, which covers the wires
in the left sidewall. I have quite a few wires running down the right sidewall,
and wonder if there is an aftermarket F-10110-R that would allow for similar
routing on the right side. I suppose I could make the part myself, but trying
to avoid the hours. Anybody have any better ideas?
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Chase Snodgrass, CFI
Presidio, Texas
www.flybigbend.com
40820/40821
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Tried to order a RHS one from vans with no success. Made one using
mirror image of the left - took about an hour and works fine.
Cheers,
Ron
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Van's Wiring Harness comes with a fuselage part F-10110-L, which covers
the wires in the left sidewall. I have quite a few wires running down
the right sidewall, and wonder if there is an aftermarket F-10110-R that
would allow for similar routing on the right side. I suppose I could
make the part myself, but trying to avoid the hours. Anybody have any
better ideas?
--------
Chase Snodgrass, CFI
Presidio, Texas
www.flybigbend.com
40820/40821
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I just installed the Bonaco Brake Lines on the pedals today.=C2- I'm very
impressed with the quality of the product and customer service received fr
om Brett.=C2- I think it was Deems (thanks) that pointed out these are av
ailable in color as well.=C2- I chose Royal Blue to go with one of the co
lors in the interior.=C2- I have no affiliation with Bonaco, just a happy
and impressed customer.=C2- Photo is attached.
Sean Blair
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Panel Hieght |
The elevator stops won't limit the travel, you will need to modify the
geometry of the control sticks to allow for full travel.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Nick Leonard wrote:
>
> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem
with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products
grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having
to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance.
I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying
to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do
I have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
>
> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Panel Hieght |
I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick
for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would
you still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and
crisp? Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using
full forward stick???
I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought.
Linn
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Nick Leonard wrote:
>
> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem
with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products
grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having
to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance.
I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying
to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do
I have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
>
> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Panel Hieght |
speckter@comcast.net wrote:
> I have the CH sticks and needed to also reweld the bases of the sticks
> to make them clear the panel.
How far past the panel did the stick originally go??
How about now?
Linn
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>
> Gary Specketer
>
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I had wanted to do the same. Instead I ran my right side wires
according to the Wiring Harness kit's procedure (at least that's what I
recall). My thick wires (2 batt/2 alt) are both run on the left under
F-10110-L along with a few other wire. I only have thin wires on the
right side and they are run up under the triangular piece common to both
sides. It's working well so far.
BTW, I didn't buy the Van's kit but did use the manual to order the key
parts. The Wiring Harness manual is very useful even if one is doing a
very custom wiring job.
Bill
westexflyboy wrote:
>
> Van's Wiring Harness comes with a fuselage part F-10110-L, which covers the wires
in the left sidewall. I have quite a few wires running down the right sidewall,
and wonder if there is an aftermarket F-10110-R that would allow for similar
routing on the right side. I suppose I could make the part myself, but
trying to avoid the hours. Anybody have any better ideas?
>
> --------
> Chase Snodgrass, CFI
> Presidio, Texas
> www.flybigbend.com
> 40820/40821
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224150#224150
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| Subject: | Maximum Panel Hieght |
Only thing that comes to mind is spin recovery. At least that's what you us
e in a Cessna the RV 10 may be different.
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
> Date: Sun=2C 11 Jan 2009 10:58:24 -0500
> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
>
>
> I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick
> for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel=2C would
> you still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and
> crisp? Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using
> full forward stick???
>
> I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought.
> Linn
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Panel Hieght |
How about breaking a stall?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
>
> I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick
> for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would you
> still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and crisp?
> Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using full forward
> stick???
>
> I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought.
> Linn
> do not archive
> Nick Leonard wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have
>> a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH
>> Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm
>> trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check
>> the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with
>> various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops
>> will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up
>> the the original height?
>>
>> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any
>> insight?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Maximum Panel Hieght |
I was more concerned that the stick could get caught under the edge of the
panel....moving the stick forward and to the side it could get caught.....
I never plan on using fully forward stick.....
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
How about breaking a stall?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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----- Original Message -----
From: "linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
>
> I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick
> for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would you
> still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and crisp?
> Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using full forward
> stick???
>
> I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought.
> Linn
> do not archive
> Nick Leonard wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have
>> a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH
>> Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm
>> trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check
>> the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with
>> various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops
>> will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up
>> the the original height?
>>
>> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any
>> insight?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I installed the new nose wheel axle assembly from Matco this weekend.
It is a very nice piece and at around $60.00 is great price.
Here is some more info on it and pictures of my install.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38336
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints |
Check the centerline very carefully. I ran a steel ruler (24") from the center
rivet out to an equidistant point on the wing flange and it was a hair off. Also
in the rear part of the fuse the ribs are not proportionately spaced. Like
I said check the centerline carefully. I also did the job alone. It is a lot better
to use a thin string line running from front to back with2 people monitoring
its position.
--------
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Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Panel Hieght |
Good point Vernon. Maybe someone that's spun the -10 will chime in on
the recovery. Does it need full forward stick to recover? Will it
recover with centered stick and just brisk rudder application???
Linn
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Vernon Smith wrote:
> Only thing that comes to mind is spin recovery. At least that's what
> you use in a Cessna the RV 10 may be different.
>
> Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
>
> > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:58:24 -0500
> > From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
> >
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward
> stick
> > for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would
> > you still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and
> > crisp? Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using
> > full forward stick???
> >
> > I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought.
> > Linn
> > do not archive
>
>
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View this previous thread.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=42513&highlight=stick+weld
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:26:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght
The elevator stops won't limit the travel, you will need to modify the
geometry of the control sticks to allow for full travel.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Nick Leonard wrote:
>
> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem
with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products
grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having
to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance.
I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying
to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do
I have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
>
> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142
>
>
>
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