---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/11/09: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Re: Old subject revisited (nukeflyboy) 2. 05:55 AM - Nitrogen in Tires (John Brick) 3. 07:49 AM - Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints (AirMike) 4. 08:53 AM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (lbgjb10) 5. 11:03 AM - Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints (linn Walters) 6. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (MauleDriver) 7. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (Ben Westfall) 8. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Audio Jacks (SteinAir, Inc.) 9. 05:19 PM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (lbgjb10) 10. 05:40 PM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (geoff Combs) 11. 06:51 PM - Maximum Panel Hieght (Nick Leonard) 12. 07:00 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (speckter@comcast.net) 13. 07:14 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Rene) 14. 07:16 PM - Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck (n277dl) 15. 07:38 PM - F-10110-R? (westexflyboy) 16. 07:48 PM - Re: F-10110-R? (McGANN, Ron) 17. 07:51 PM - Brake lines (dogsbark@comcast.net) 18. 08:04 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Deems Davis) 19. 08:04 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (linn Walters) 20. 08:04 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (linn Walters) 21. 08:47 PM - Re: F-10110-R? (MauleDriver) 22. 09:02 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Vernon Smith) 23. 09:09 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Dave Leikam) 24. 09:41 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Rene) 25. 09:46 PM - Nose Wheel Axle (Scott Schmidt) 26. 09:46 PM - Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints (AirMike) 27. 09:50 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (linn Walters) 28. 10:36 PM - Re: Maximum Panel Hieght (Scott Schmidt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Old subject revisited From: "nukeflyboy" Air is funny stuff, but it acts predictably. It is a fair assumption that oxygen doesn't react with the tire appreciably over a 30 day period, therefore the rate of deflation is a function of the diffusion rate across the membrane. In these physical exchanges, molecular size matters. Nitrogen gas (N2) has a molecular weight of 28, while oxygen gas (O2)has a molecular weight of 32. This reflects a difference in size of the molecule and based on this you would predict that nitrogen will leak out faster. I really think that all this effort to put N2 in your tires is bad science and wasted effort, or perhaps a way to extract a few more $ from you from the A&P. As the previous post points out, N2 can be used but it is driven by other reasons, not leak rate. By the way, humid air is less dense than dry air for the same reason. Water molecules with a molecular weight of 18 displace N2/O2 molecules which have a proportional molecular weight of about 31 making the average fluid denity less. The same principle is behind reverse osmosis units. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224016#224016 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:55 AM PST US From: "John Brick" Subject: RV10-List: Nitrogen in Tires Previous thread under "Old subject revisited" I filled my tires with nitrogen a while back and they don't leak down anymore... not much anyway, what a blessing. At the same time, I replaced my inner tubes with Michelin Airstop tubes, so I'm not sure how much to credit nitrogen for the improvement. Curt Bryan also put nitrogen in his tires with the same result...very little leak down. But he too botched the experiment by further tightening the valve cores just to make sure they didn't leak. Consumer Reports did a study on this by inflating 31 pairs of tires of various models to 30 psi. One of each pair had nitrogen, the other air. They were set outside for one year and then rechecked. They found that on average the air filled tires dropped 3.5 psi, while the nitrogen filled tires dropped 2.2 psi; a difference of 1.3 psi. Yes they were careful to measure pressure at the same temperature, etc., etc. I assume they were tubeless tires... not sure how that would make a difference but maybe it would. But even if you have a much greater pressure loss due to actual tire use, landing or braking technique, or whatever; there is only a 4.3 (four point three) percent difference in air vs nitrogen. Hardly even measurable it would seem. http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/10/tires-nitrogen-.html Airliners and race cars use nitrogen too: Air is a mixture of gases, not a gas in itself like oxygen or nitrogen; there is no such thing as a molecule of air. Air is 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, and 1% other stuff such as argon, carbon dioxide, neon, helium, hydrogen, methane and krypton, not to mention a huge list of pollutants and water vapor. The presence of water vapor in the air naturally dilutes or displaces the other air components as its concentration increases. Water vapor expands and contracts with temperature changes at a much greater rate than air. NASCAR teams use nitrogen because it allows them to more accurately predict tire pressure fluctuation. Nitrogen fluctuates with temperature change, but it does so less than when water vapor is present. The FAA requires nitrogen in all commercial aircraft tires to eliminate the potential for water vapor from freezing at high altitudes. Also, nitrogen, unlike oxygen, is not corrosive (no oxidation) and will not support combustion. If you want to rummage around on the internet you can look into molecular weights, permeability coefficients, Fick's Law of Diffusion, Henry's Law of Solubilities, Graham's Law of Effusion, and other fascinating gobbledygook, to find out that O2 permeates faster through rubber than does N2. So if that is true, and you keep filling your tires with air, and the oxygen keeps leaking out faster than nitrogen, wouldn't you eventually end up with mostly nitrogen anyway? jb RV-4 Tacoma -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nukeflyboy Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:01 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Old subject revisited Air is funny stuff, but it acts predictably. It is a fair assumption that oxygen doesn't react with the tire appreciably over a 30 day period, therefore the rate of deflation is a function of the diffusion rate across the membrane. In these physical exchanges, molecular size matters. Nitrogen gas (N2) has a molecular weight of 28, while oxygen gas (O2)has a molecular weight of 32. This reflects a difference in size of the molecule and based on this you would predict that nitrogen will leak out faster. I really think that all this effort to put N2 in your tires is bad science and wasted effort, or perhaps a way to extract a few more $ from you from the A&P. As the previous post points out, N2 can be used but it is driven by other reasons, not leak rate. By the way, humid air is less dense than dry air for the same reason. Water molecules with a molecular weight of 18 displace N2/O2 molecules which have a proportional molecular weight of about 31 making the average fluid denity less. The same principle is behind reverse osmosis units. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224016#224016 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 6:01 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints From: "AirMike" I am proceeding on the messy (no - no - not fiberglass dust again) task of installing the wheel pants and gear fairings. I have departed from the plans at several points. Suggestions 1. Fit the wheel pants before you install the wings. They will be under the wings and access is whole lot easier earlier in the game. It is a very time consuming task with a lot of fitting, measuring and back and forth between the wheels and the bench. 2. I used the composite pieces left over from the windows as shim material to "right size" the distance between the support flanges and the fairings. 3. Measure the centerline carefully. It is not always where you think it is. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224038#224038 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:07 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck From: "lbgjb10" I have dual AFS 3500 set up to change to 4500 with garmin 'stack' between. They are 'shifted 'left' so all is easy to reach. I was initially concerned that the panel lacked 'symmetry but since really appreciate how easy it is to reach 430/530 and the right AFS. The copilot still can use the right AFS and also reach the radios. The autopilot also is in each reach, and easy to see. cheers. larry -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224051#224051 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:08 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints I understand all of the items .... but #3 is kinda cryptic! Please elaborate on that if you can. Linn do not archive AirMike wrote: > > I am proceeding on the messy (no - no - not fiberglass dust again) task of installing the wheel pants and gear fairings. I have departed from the plans at several points. Suggestions > > 1. Fit the wheel pants before you install the wings. They will be under the wings and access is whole lot easier earlier in the game. It is a very time consuming task with a lot of fitting, measuring and back and forth between the wheels and the bench. > > 2. I used the composite pieces left over from the windows as shim material to "right size" the distance between the support flanges and the fairings. > > 3. Measure the centerline carefully. It is not always where you think it is. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224038#224038 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:13 AM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck Slightly off-topic, but here is my 3 screen GRT with Stein's "center canted left" panel blank. Fair symmetry here but still pilot optimized. Bill "wiring it up" Watson 40605 don't archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:32 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck Larry I'd love to see pictures if you have them. -Ben __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3757 (20090111) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:04 PM PST US From: "SteinAir, Inc." Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Audio Jacks Don't discount Garmin entirely because of a few bad apples. The entire company isn't that way. After dealing with them for years now, I can honestly say that they are making a much better effort to work with the homebuilders. A number of their people are RV builder who are really great guys. They have in the past year created a new department within Garmin to specialize and focus on LSA's and Homebuilders. While the OEM guys aren't used to dealing with homebuilders, and admittedly Customer interaction is not necessarily some of those guys strong points, there are a number of them who are super to deal with. They have started listening, and listening for real. Take for example the new 240 Audio panel. They actually designed that thing 100% around experimental and LSA aircraft. It's Garmin's FIRST non TSO'd product that is marketed exclusively to the non-certified world. On top of that, they made it affordable and put all the functions in (and left out others) that WE as homebuilders asked for...period! Anyway, please don't judge the entire company by their inability to communicate with you as a homebuilder. You have to understand they come from a very different world, and while they are trying, this experimental stuff is still somewhat new to them....but give them credit because they are trying. Aside from that, at the moment there just aren't any good alternatives. Me, I like the Garmin guys for many reasons. I think if you were to work through a credible dealer you'd find your experience to be quite different. Garmin does not sell direct to homebuilders, therefore they really count on their dealers to help them. In the end I'd just encourage you not to rush to judgement on the entire company and product line because I can tell you that is not representative of the whole company. Here's another example of things I see as a positive....they don't fly around in corporate jets - they have to fly themselves around in single engine piston planes just like you and me. They have made great leaps over the past year or two with homebuilders and I can promise you they'll continue...based one what it coming down the pipeline! Cheers, Stein >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of johngoodman >Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:42 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Re: Audio Jacks > > > >I don't know about Garmin stuff - I'm not sure I want to go down >that road. Everything they have is too pricey and they really >treated me like a leper at Oshkosh. The minute I mentioned that a >GNS430W was good enough and does it integrate with other brands, >he started looking over my shoulder.... >It kind of reminds me of Microsoft. Bose is another that seems to >think that they only excrete in clean, cellophane bags pre-tied >with pretty pink ribbons. > >I'll look but I'll view any price increase as an opportunity to go >elsewhere. > >John > >-------- >#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit is on it's way. >N711JG reserved > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223943#223943 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:10 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck From: "lbgjb10" i'll see if i can get the picture attached. it's a crummy picture, but only one i have of the panel. haven't finished it yet--still trying to figure out what kind of labeling to do. i'll take some pictures next time at the hangar -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224124#224124 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0262_127.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:53 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck From: "geoff Combs" I have developed a new panel for the RV-10 I am building and it will hold 2 AFS advanced decks side by side. Here is a picture of the prototype mock up in my Rv-10. In this picture the backups are above but I will put them on the left side running vertical. -------- Build QB RV-10 N829GW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224128#224128 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv10_afs11_v6c_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1201_114.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:04 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght From: "Nick Leonard" I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up the the original height? Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight? Thanks, Nick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:23 PM PST US From: speckter@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght I have the CH sticks and needed to also reweld the bases of the sticks to make them clear the panel. Gary Specketer -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Nick Leonard" > > I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a > problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products > grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid > having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward > clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm > trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I > have to trim the panel back up the the original height? > > Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any > insight? > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 > > > > > > > > > >
I have the CH sticks and needed to also reweld the bases of the sticks to make them clear the panel.
 
Gary Specketer
 
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From: "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com>

> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Nick Leonard"
>
> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a
> problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products
> grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid
> having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward
> clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm
> trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I
> have to trim the panel back up the the original height?
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> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any
> insight?
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> Thanks =====
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:52 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght I have a Stein panel and had to re-weld my stick. Here is a copy of an e-mail from Scott Schmidt, he led the way for me and gets the credit..... "I had the same issues. There is nothing you can do with the rigging to make it fit. I cut my stick toward the top, purchased some steel that was the same grade and wall thickness. I can't remember what it was, but I called Van's and they knew. I then extended the stick about 1" and also angled it back just a little until it didn't hit anything. I hired a professional tig welder to help me weld it up. It turned out great and I actually like it back where it is. Here is a picture of the finished product. http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/1630837#101769967 Good luck. Scott Schmidt Office 801-990-1252 Cell 801-718-1277 Fax 801-990-1256 scottmschmidt@yahoo.com" Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up the the original height? Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight? Thanks, Nick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS - Dual screen AFS advanced deck From: "n277dl" ricksked(at)embarqmail.co wrote: > Doug, > I'm not sure you can get it to work with the stock panel. Heres mine with an aftermarket panel and two 3500's. Stein sells one that will work though I'm sure. This picture was well over a year ago, lots more airplane around it now. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > do not archive > --- Rick, looks nice. How tall is the panel? Looks like Stein has a blank that is ~1.5" taller than Van's stock. I'm 6'5" so knee/leg room is key for me. Thanks, Doug -------- Doug "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224148#224148 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: F-10110-R? From: "westexflyboy" Van's Wiring Harness comes with a fuselage part F-10110-L, which covers the wires in the left sidewall. I have quite a few wires running down the right sidewall, and wonder if there is an aftermarket F-10110-R that would allow for similar routing on the right side. I suppose I could make the part myself, but trying to avoid the hours. Anybody have any better ideas? -------- Chase Snodgrass, CFI Presidio, Texas www.flybigbend.com 40820/40821 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224150#224150 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:33 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: F-10110-R? From: "McGANN, Ron" Tried to order a RHS one from vans with no success. Made one using mirror image of the left - took about an hour and works fine. Cheers, Ron -187 fiddly bits and paperwork -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of westexflyboy Sent: Monday, 12 January 2009 2:07 PM Subject: RV10-List: F-10110-R? --> Van's Wiring Harness comes with a fuselage part F-10110-L, which covers the wires in the left sidewall. I have quite a few wires running down the right sidewall, and wonder if there is an aftermarket F-10110-R that would allow for similar routing on the right side. I suppose I could make the part myself, but trying to avoid the hours. Anybody have any better ideas? -------- Chase Snodgrass, CFI Presidio, Texas www.flybigbend.com 40820/40821 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224150#224150 "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. 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It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:25 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: Brake lines I just installed the Bonaco Brake Lines on the pedals today.=C2- I'm very impressed with the quality of the product and customer service received fr om Brett.=C2- I think it was Deems (thanks) that pointed out these are av ailable in color as well.=C2- I chose Royal Blue to go with one of the co lors in the interior.=C2- I have no affiliation with Bonaco, just a happy and impressed customer.=C2- Photo is attached. Sean Blair #40225=C2-=C2- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:17 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght The elevator stops won't limit the travel, you will need to modify the geometry of the control sticks to allow for full travel. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Nick Leonard wrote: > > I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up the the original height? > > Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight? > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would you still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and crisp? Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using full forward stick??? I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought. Linn do not archive Nick Leonard wrote: > > I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up the the original height? > > Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight? > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght speckter@comcast.net wrote: > I have the CH sticks and needed to also reweld the bases of the sticks > to make them clear the panel. How far past the panel did the stick originally go?? How about now? Linn do not archive > > Gary Specketer > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:09 PM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RV10-List: F-10110-R? I had wanted to do the same. Instead I ran my right side wires according to the Wiring Harness kit's procedure (at least that's what I recall). My thick wires (2 batt/2 alt) are both run on the left under F-10110-L along with a few other wire. I only have thin wires on the right side and they are run up under the triangular piece common to both sides. It's working well so far. BTW, I didn't buy the Van's kit but did use the manual to order the key parts. The Wiring Harness manual is very useful even if one is doing a very custom wiring job. Bill westexflyboy wrote: > > Van's Wiring Harness comes with a fuselage part F-10110-L, which covers the wires in the left sidewall. I have quite a few wires running down the right sidewall, and wonder if there is an aftermarket F-10110-R that would allow for similar routing on the right side. I suppose I could make the part myself, but trying to avoid the hours. Anybody have any better ideas? > > -------- > Chase Snodgrass, CFI > Presidio, Texas > www.flybigbend.com > 40820/40821 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224150#224150 > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:18 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght Only thing that comes to mind is spin recovery. At least that's what you us e in a Cessna the RV 10 may be different. Vern Smith (#324 finishing) > Date: Sun=2C 11 Jan 2009 10:58:24 -0500 > From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght > > > I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick > for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel=2C would > you still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and > crisp? Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using > full forward stick??? > > I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought. > Linn > do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:14 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght How about breaking a stall? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "linn Walters" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght > > I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick > for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would you > still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and crisp? > Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using full forward > stick??? > > I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought. > Linn > do not archive > Nick Leonard wrote: >> >> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have >> a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH >> Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm >> trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check >> the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with >> various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops >> will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up >> the the original height? >> >> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any >> insight? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:51 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght I was more concerned that the stick could get caught under the edge of the panel....moving the stick forward and to the side it could get caught..... I never plan on using fully forward stick..... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght How about breaking a stall? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "linn Walters" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght > > I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward stick > for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would you > still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and crisp? > Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using full forward > stick??? > > I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought. > Linn > do not archive > Nick Leonard wrote: >> >> I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have >> a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH >> Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm >> trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check >> the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with >> various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops >> will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up >> the the original height? >> >> Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any >> insight? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:24 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Axle I installed the new nose wheel axle assembly from Matco this weekend. It is a very nice piece and at around $60.00 is great price. Here is some more info on it and pictures of my install. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38336 Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wheel pants install - timing and helpful hints From: "AirMike" Check the centerline very carefully. I ran a steel ruler (24") from the center rivet out to an equidistant point on the wing flange and it was a hair off. Also in the rear part of the fuse the ribs are not proportionately spaced. Like I said check the centerline carefully. I also did the job alone. It is a lot better to use a thin string line running from front to back with2 people monitoring its position. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224165#224165 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:18 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght Good point Vernon. Maybe someone that's spun the -10 will chime in on the recovery. Does it need full forward stick to recover? Will it recover with centered stick and just brisk rudder application??? Linn do not archive Vernon Smith wrote: > Only thing that comes to mind is spin recovery. At least that's what > you use in a Cessna the RV 10 may be different. > > Vern Smith (#324 finishing) > > > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:58:24 -0500 > > From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght > > > > > > > I'm curious ..... what flight maneuver would you need full forward > stick > > for? If you had full forward stick against your extended panel, would > > you still be able to perform the maneuver ..... albeit not as tight and > > crisp? Are you worried about avoiding something in the air and using > > full forward stick??? > > > > I'm also thinking of a sub-panel but haven't given it much thought. > > Linn > > do not archive > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:52 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght View this previous thread. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=42513&highlight=stick+weld Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:26:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Panel Hieght The elevator stops won't limit the travel, you will need to modify the geometry of the control sticks to allow for full travel. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Nick Leonard wrote: > > I'm hoping to extend my panel height to 13" but not sure that I will have a problem with my forward stick movement hitting the panel. I have a CH Products grip and I have cut the stick down as far a possible. I'm trying to avoid having to reinstall the horizontal and elevator to check the stick forward clearance. I know that others have done this with various custom panels and I'm trying to find out if the elevator stops will limit the forward movement or do I have to trim the panel back up the the original height? > > Jesse or Stein or others that have gone through this, can you give me any insight? > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224142#224142 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.