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1. 07:03 AM - Re: flexible fuel lines (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 07:14 AM - Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts (Tim Olson)
3. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Transporting Fuselage (Rick Sked)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts (Rick Sked)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: Fuse Stands (Rob Kochman)
6. 08:34 AM - fuselage stand (Chris Hukill)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Fuse Stands (Rick Sked)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: Fuse Stands (pascal)
9. 09:13 AM - MT prop assembly? (John Gonzalez)
10. 09:13 AM - Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
11. 09:25 AM - Neat to have but.. (Rick Sked)
12. 10:30 AM - Re: Fuse Stands (johngoodman)
13. 10:34 AM - Re: Neat to have but.. (William Curtis)
14. 10:51 AM - Re: Neat to have but.. (Rick Sked)
15. 11:09 AM - Re: Neat to have but.. (John Jessen)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: fuselage stand (David McNeill)
17. 11:46 AM - Re: gas strut installation gotcha (LarryRosen)
18. 12:26 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (BPA)
19. 12:31 PM - fuel lines (dogsbark@comcast.net)
20. 12:38 PM - Schrenker (dogsbark@comcast.net)
21. 01:17 PM - Re: MT prop assembly? (tomhanaway)
22. 01:35 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (William Curtis)
23. 01:41 PM - Re: MT prop assembly? (David Maib)
24. 01:44 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (Rick Sked)
25. 01:47 PM - Re: Schrenker (MauleDriver)
26. 01:51 PM - Re: MT prop assembly? (Rick Sked)
27. 01:59 PM - Re: MT prop assembly? (John Gonzalez)
28. 02:57 PM - Re: MT prop assembly? (David Maib)
29. 03:00 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (BPA)
30. 03:27 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (Neal George)
31. 03:51 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (Rick Sked)
32. 03:51 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (Rick Sked)
33. 05:25 PM - Re: Neat to have but.. (Bob Kaufmann)
34. 06:10 PM - Lower Cowling attachment (AirMike)
35. 06:25 PM - Re: Lower Cowling attachment (Tim Olson)
36. 06:32 PM - Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts (Miller John)
37. 06:33 PM - Re: Lower Cowling attachment (Jim Berry)
38. 08:48 PM - Re: Lower Cowling attachment (Dave Saylor)
39. 09:14 PM - Re: Lower Cowling attachment (Vernon Smith)
40. 10:02 PM - Re: Lower Cowling attachment (AirMike)
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| Subject: | flexible fuel lines |
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| Subject: | Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts |
In all fairness to Matco, it should be noted that Matco just
made the wheels and Vans picked them for the RV-10. Van's
designed the axle and spacers, and Van's chose to make them
the way they did...choosing not to make them fit the bearing
taper, choosing not to size the inside of the spacers for
the rubber seal....all of that. So the design flaws aren't
Matco's fault. They didn't even SEE an RV-10 application until
they worked with Scott to try to find out what they could do
to stop getting complaints about the design...so they worked
with him to come up with a better design for ALL of the
RV nosewheel kits. They HAD to come up with something, so that
their own reputation doesn't suffer from the bad design of
our original kits. This isn't a big slam on Van's, either.
They try their best to make things cheap for the builder.
The problem comes in that many people, especially people
building the higher-priced RV-10 model, aren't happy with
some of the cost compromises, and expect more. That's how
things like the axle extensions, this nosewheel fix, and
heck, all of those Rivetmaster and iflyrv10 parts came to
be....they're all improvements on the original design that
many builders think should have been done better initially.
That trim nut that goes on the trim cable access plate is
a HUGE one.....the original welded stuff is an accident waiting
to happen. If I hadn't silver-soldered mine up tough, I'd
never have felt good about it. Now you can buy a nice
replacement that is much better than the original. The
sad thing is, all of these improvements have never made it
into the RV-10 "standard package"...which would have made
it easier on the builder by maybe upping the kit price
by a few dollars, but providing you with the best in parts
right off the bat...saving you shipping, time, hassle, and
worry. With products like the Axle extensions, there are
going to be many people that don't hear about these
parts, and they'll have things like smashed wheel fairings
because of it.
Anyway, Matco wasn't the problem with the original design,
but they're part of the solution...and I think the pricing
is indicative of them trying to ensure that their company
name doesn't suffer because of an over-zealous cost-saving
attitude of our kit supplier. In the end, it's just a good
thing that there are becoming some good "standard fixes"
for the handful of shortcomings that we've found.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
David Hertner wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> It seems as though I have been scooped in the marketplace!!
>
> With the introduction of the Matco adjustable axle my product offering
> has effectively been run outta town! There is little chance of me being
> able to compete with a product being offered by the company with whom
> the problem originated. This is just how things go sometimes.
>
> I would like to inform those who had contacted Cleaveland Tools to place
> a pre-order that I have canceled the product offering in fairness to
> Mike at Cleaveland Tools even though they had ordered product already. I
> would hate to have that product sit on their shelves with no interest in
> them.
>
> To those who had the confidence to pre-order my adjustable pre-load axle
> spacers, Thank You. It is always gratifying to have the confidence of
> your peers.
>
> I look forward to offering other accessories and parts to the kit
> builder and kit manufacturer alike.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transporting Fuselage |
Oh yeah...Randy Walker is petitoning congress to allow Clark County to control
the types of aircraft at his, I mean the county's airports. He already has been
in front of the State Gov. and pitched his snake oil. The FAA is having a "let's
be nice to the public and show them we are concerned about safety" forum
tomorrow night at the Texas Station to better relations with the public since
the two back to back crashes into the burbs around the airport. He really wants
to get ride of experimentals and pilot training even though the twin that had
an engine failure and went into a house trying to make it back was OK because
that was certified. The EAA and the AOPA are already fighting this, the FAA
won't offically say but the rumor mill has them saying there is no way he will
get control of the airspace in Clark County. Short of the people that actually
do the real work at the airports, those folks are very nice to deal with, Walker
and his little henchmen, Cecil Johnson and Doug McNeely could care less about
anything except their really nice salaries. Honestly though, I don't mind
the idea of the first flight out of Jean or Boulder, I just don't like the dictatorship
telling me that I can't. FWIW Bob Kaufmann and I own our hangar at
VGT, 3500 SF and we pay the county $1200 personal property tax and almost $3200
a year in ground lease fees, but hey...our water is included!!
Rick s.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:14:14 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Transporting Fuselage
Is your favorite airport manager already banning experimental aircraft?
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had to hire the "larger" flatbed because the little one did not carry enough
insurance to cover the aircraft. I had the avionics and engine installed which
exceeded the 100k coveage on the little tow truck. It cost me $165 to get it
to the airport for a 10 mile trip. I can't wait to haul it acrosed the county
to Boulder City for the first flight.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
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| Subject: | Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts |
You know I remember when all the aftermarket things started to come about and what
a great thing the people who made them have contributed, the trim nuts Tim
is talking about were a joke!! Mine broke off just trying to rivet them to the
plates...Has that changed? If not builder beware because it is a BIG safety
of flight issue. I think I've purchased almost all of the machined replacements
from rivethead when they first came out, iflyrv10 has great stuff too although
he wasn't around when I needed the parts. I mounted the door pin receivers
this past weekend and I have to tell you the door just sucks in and locks...I
was very impressed how they work. One thing I had to do is open the receivers
just a little, I used a sanding drum on a dremel. The machine fit of the pins/rods
was way too close to work with the movement of the door as the pins engaged.
A quick pass inside with the sanding drum proved enough to allow them to slide
in easily but still no movement once engaged. My pins protrude at least a
half inch past the vertical aluminum posts both fore and aft, I know someone
was asking if that was happening. One tip I can pass on to mark the holes for
the receivers, chop off the end of two AN-3 bolts and sharpen one side to a point.
Screw them in to receiver pointy side out. Put some masking tape where the
holes will be, Slide a piece of the door pin tubing into the 7/16 hole drilled
for the pins then slide the receiver on pressing the points into the masking
tape. The points will leave a nice dent to drill your bolt holes. Thanks Chris
H. for the idea!! Worked like a champ.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:12:36 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts
In all fairness to Matco, it should be noted that Matco just
made the wheels and Vans picked them for the RV-10. Van's
designed the axle and spacers, and Van's chose to make them
the way they did...choosing not to make them fit the bearing
taper, choosing not to size the inside of the spacers for
the rubber seal....all of that. So the design flaws aren't
Matco's fault. They didn't even SEE an RV-10 application until
they worked with Scott to try to find out what they could do
to stop getting complaints about the design...so they worked
with him to come up with a better design for ALL of the
RV nosewheel kits. They HAD to come up with something, so that
their own reputation doesn't suffer from the bad design of
our original kits. This isn't a big slam on Van's, either.
They try their best to make things cheap for the builder.
The problem comes in that many people, especially people
building the higher-priced RV-10 model, aren't happy with
some of the cost compromises, and expect more. That's how
things like the axle extensions, this nosewheel fix, and
heck, all of those Rivetmaster and iflyrv10 parts came to
be....they're all improvements on the original design that
many builders think should have been done better initially.
That trim nut that goes on the trim cable access plate is
a HUGE one.....the original welded stuff is an accident waiting
to happen. If I hadn't silver-soldered mine up tough, I'd
never have felt good about it. Now you can buy a nice
replacement that is much better than the original. The
sad thing is, all of these improvements have never made it
into the RV-10 "standard package"...which would have made
it easier on the builder by maybe upping the kit price
by a few dollars, but providing you with the best in parts
right off the bat...saving you shipping, time, hassle, and
worry. With products like the Axle extensions, there are
going to be many people that don't hear about these
parts, and they'll have things like smashed wheel fairings
because of it.
Anyway, Matco wasn't the problem with the original design,
but they're part of the solution...and I think the pricing
is indicative of them trying to ensure that their company
name doesn't suffer because of an over-zealous cost-saving
attitude of our kit supplier. In the end, it's just a good
thing that there are becoming some good "standard fixes"
for the handful of shortcomings that we've found.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
David Hertner wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> It seems as though I have been scooped in the marketplace!!
>
> With the introduction of the Matco adjustable axle my product offering
> has effectively been run outta town! There is little chance of me being
> able to compete with a product being offered by the company with whom
> the problem originated. This is just how things go sometimes.
>
> I would like to inform those who had contacted Cleaveland Tools to place
> a pre-order that I have canceled the product offering in fairness to
> Mike at Cleaveland Tools even though they had ordered product already. I
> would hate to have that product sit on their shelves with no interest in
> them.
>
> To those who had the confidence to pre-order my adjustable pre-load axle
> spacers, Thank You. It is always gratifying to have the confidence of
> your peers.
>
> I look forward to offering other accessories and parts to the kit
> builder and kit manufacturer alike.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
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I copied Rick's design and am very pleased with it:
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/fusestand/fusestand32.html
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> Here are some thoughts.
>
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/fusestand/index.html
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=37550
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm expecting my QB fuse in the coming weeks and I'd like to have a fuse
> > stand waiting on it.
> >
> > After researching on Tim's site and he a photo of Rick Sked's fuse
> > holder.
> >
> > Does anyone else have photos of similar fuse holders?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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Here are a couple of fotos of the stand I built. I use my aerolift to
turn the stand on it's side, which allows me to work on the fuselage
without leaning over. This is a real back saver! 2 people can easily
rotate the stand without a lifting device. It cost about 30 bucks in
thin wall 1X2 steel and a set of cheap casters.
Chris Hukill
cabin top hell
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It worked well for me and the added benefit after I was done with it, I screwed
a 4 x 4 sheet of plywood I had laying around to it and now its a roll around
storage table.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Kochman" <rv10rob@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:15:12 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuse Stands
I copied Rick's design and am very pleased with it:
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/fusestand/fusestand32.html
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM, William Curtis < wcurtis@nerv10.com > wrote:
Here are some thoughts.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/fusestand/index.html
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=37550
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> Hi,
>
> I'm expecting my QB fuse in the coming weeks and I'd like to have a fuse
> stand waiting on it.
>
> After researching on Tim's site and he a photo of Rick Sked's fuse
> holder.
>
> Does anyone else have photos of similar fuse holders?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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I sort of did too except I found that I had lots of wood from the crates
the kits came in and used all that wood. Bought the caster/wheels from
HF. Works well and is inexpensive
From: Rob Kochman
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuse Stands
I copied Rick's design and am very pleased with it:
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/fusestand/fusestand32.html
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
wrote:
Here are some thoughts.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/fusestand/index.html
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=37550
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> Hi,
>
> I'm expecting my QB fuse in the coming weeks and I'd like to have a
fuse
> stand waiting on it.
>
> After researching on Tim's site and he a photo of Rick Sked's fuse
> holder.
>
> Does anyone else have photos of similar fuse holders?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | MT prop assembly? |
I can't remember the conversation I had a few months ago with the person I
am having assemble the prop=2C and I don't have the paper i wrote the info
on=2C but what have others paid for on the assembly of the MT prop? I seem
to remember it being less significant of a price than what i am hearing now
=2C but I could be wrong. Non of what I am hearing has anything to do with
crating=2C or licensing or import fees or any of that=2C just assembly.
Thanks=2C
John G
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| Subject: | Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts |
Just a small addition - the iflyrv10 receivers are done a bit
differently. Instead of a tapped hole that you but a bolt/screw in from
the back, they are drilled through and have a recess on the exposed
face. He supplies stainless #10 capscrews for installation and the
heads sit inside the recess. Much easier to install.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts
You know I remember when all the aftermarket things started to come
about and what a great thing the people who made them have contributed,
the trim nuts Tim is talking about were a joke!! Mine broke off just
trying to rivet them to the plates...Has that changed? If not builder
beware because it is a BIG safety of flight issue. I think I've
purchased almost all of the machined replacements from rivethead when
they first came out, iflyrv10 has great stuff too although he wasn't
around when I needed the parts. I mounted the door pin receivers this
past weekend and I have to tell you the door just sucks in and locks...I
was very impressed how they work. One thing I had to do is open the
receivers just a little, I used a sanding drum on a dremel. The machine
fit of the pins/rods was way too close to work with the movement of the
door as the pins engaged. A quick pass inside with the sanding drum
proved enough to allow them to slide in easily but still no movement
once engaged. M!
y pins protrude at least a half inch past the vertical aluminum posts
both fore and aft, I know someone was asking if that was happening. One
tip I can pass on to mark the holes for the receivers, chop off the end
of two AN-3 bolts and sharpen one side to a point. Screw them in to
receiver pointy side out. Put some masking tape where the holes will be,
Slide a piece of the door pin tubing into the 7/16 hole drilled for the
pins then slide the receiver on pressing the points into the masking
tape. The points will leave a nice dent to drill your bolt holes. Thanks
Chris H. for the idea!! Worked like a champ.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:12:36 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts
In all fairness to Matco, it should be noted that Matco just
made the wheels and Vans picked them for the RV-10. Van's
designed the axle and spacers, and Van's chose to make them
the way they did...choosing not to make them fit the bearing
taper, choosing not to size the inside of the spacers for
the rubber seal....all of that. So the design flaws aren't
Matco's fault. They didn't even SEE an RV-10 application until
they worked with Scott to try to find out what they could do
to stop getting complaints about the design...so they worked
with him to come up with a better design for ALL of the
RV nosewheel kits. They HAD to come up with something, so that
their own reputation doesn't suffer from the bad design of
our original kits. This isn't a big slam on Van's, either.
They try their best to make things cheap for the builder.
The problem comes in that many people, especially people
building the higher-priced RV-10 model, aren't happy with
some of the cost compromises, and expect more. That's how
things like the axle extensions, this nosewheel fix, and
heck, all of those Rivetmaster and iflyrv10 parts came to
be....they're all improvements on the original design that
many builders think should have been done better initially.
That trim nut that goes on the trim cable access plate is
a HUGE one.....the original welded stuff is an accident waiting
to happen. If I hadn't silver-soldered mine up tough, I'd
never have felt good about it. Now you can buy a nice
replacement that is much better than the original. The
sad thing is, all of these improvements have never made it
into the RV-10 "standard package"...which would have made
it easier on the builder by maybe upping the kit price
by a few dollars, but providing you with the best in parts
right off the bat...saving you shipping, time, hassle, and
worry. With products like the Axle extensions, there are
going to be many people that don't hear about these
parts, and they'll have things like smashed wheel fairings
because of it.
Anyway, Matco wasn't the problem with the original design,
but they're part of the solution...and I think the pricing
is indicative of them trying to ensure that their company
name doesn't suffer because of an over-zealous cost-saving
attitude of our kit supplier. In the end, it's just a good
thing that there are becoming some good "standard fixes"
for the handful of shortcomings that we've found.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
David Hertner wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> It seems as though I have been scooped in the marketplace!!
>
> With the introduction of the Matco adjustable axle my product offering
> has effectively been run outta town! There is little chance of me
being
> able to compete with a product being offered by the company with whom
> the problem originated. This is just how things go sometimes.
>
> I would like to inform those who had contacted Cleaveland Tools to
place
> a pre-order that I have canceled the product offering in fairness to
> Mike at Cleaveland Tools even though they had ordered product already.
I
> would hate to have that product sit on their shelves with no interest
in
> them.
>
> To those who had the confidence to pre-order my adjustable pre-load
axle
> spacers, Thank You. It is always gratifying to have the confidence of
> your peers.
>
> I look forward to offering other accessories and parts to the kit
> builder and kit manufacturer alike.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
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This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it would work in the cockpit? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734 Rick S. 40185
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Phil,
I took an old heavy-duty pallet I had laying around and put some casters on it,
then covered the top with some old carpet padding. It worked well for a while
but it tends to become a pain when you need access to the bottom.
If I were doing it over, I'd use Bill Curtis' simple plan.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit is on it's way.
N711JG reserved
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-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it would work in the cockpit? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734 Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that anyone can
build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I owned a pair)
on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm not anti
gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good applications for these
as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a constitutional rights battle,
It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were designed for
the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see the enemy at night...I
guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the target.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it would work in the cockpit? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734 Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that anyone can
build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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| Subject: | Neat to have but.. |
I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I owned a
pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm not
anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good applications
for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a constitutional
rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see the
enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
target.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> would work in the cockpit?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
> Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that anyone
can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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I don't know whether it has been mentioned but a wooden dolly on wheels from
home deport aviation department under each wing attach point and one under
the baggage area works fine . Total about $40.
_____
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| Subject: | Re: gas strut installation gotcha |
You also want to make sure the bracket does not interfere with the door hing nut
and bolts.
Larry Rosen
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#40356
N205EN (reserved)
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Coon huntin'
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I
owned a
pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm
not
anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good
applications
for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a
constitutional
rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see
the
enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
target.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> would work in the cockpit?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
> Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that
anyone
can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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I just got a call from Brett at Bonaco.=C2- He said they use a type of ho
se in the S/S braided fuel lines that is good for approximately twelve year
s.=C2- Sorry, I didn't catch the type of material.
Sean Blair
#40225=C2-
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How about the guy (Schrenker)=C2-that "faked his death" and jumped out of
his plane enroute to Florida?=C2-=C2-
Sean B.
#40225
do not archive=C2-=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop assembly? |
John,
I have the three blade prop. Assembled in Deland, FL last July. Assembly was
$400. Crating was $300. Unless you're picking the prop up yourself, I highly
recommend their crating. A very substantial box with the prop really well bolted
down inside.
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
#40639
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| Subject: | Neat to have but.. |
or C'yote hunting as I discovered was a popular pastime in Deming, NM.
William
-------- Original Message --------
> Coon huntin'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:08 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
>
>
> I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
>
>
> Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I
> owned a
> pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm
> not
> anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good
> applications
> for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a
> constitutional
> rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
> designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see
> the
> enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
> target.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800)
> America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> > disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> > would work in the cockpit?
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
>
> > Rick S. 40185
>
>
> Why do you find it disturbing?
> That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that
> anyone
> can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop assembly? |
I had mine shipped assembled from the factory. I do not remember the
amount, but I know it was less than having it shipped to the nearest
dealer, assembled, recrated, and then shipped to me. However, I lived
in a city (Minneapolis) that had a major airport and customs office,
so it could be shipped directly to me. I bought mine through Jim
Ayers at LessDragProducts.
David Maib
40559
On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:12 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
I can't remember the conversation I had a few months ago with the
person I am having assemble the prop, and I don't have the paper i
wrote the info on, but what have others paid for on the assembly of
the MT prop? I seem to remember it being less significant of a price
than what i am hearing now, but I could be wrong. Non of what I am
hearing has anything to do with crating, or licensing or import fees
or any of that, just assembly.
Thanks,
John G
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| Subject: | Re: Neat to have but.. |
I'll give you three guesses who at BPA wrote this and I'll bet it's not the good
looking one or the distinguished gentleman who founded the company!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:28:31 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Coon huntin'
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I
owned a
pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm
not
anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good
applications
for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a
constitutional
rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see
the
enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
target.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> would work in the cockpit?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
> Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that
anyone
can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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I found it disturbing.
dogsbark@comcast.net wrote:
>
> How about the guy (Schrenker) that "faked his death" and jumped out of
> his plane enroute to Florida?
>
>
>
> Sean B.
>
> #40225
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop assembly? |
Me too...from Jim Ayers. AND I had to hire a stinkin customs broker for $15
0 to get it out of customs.For that fee I signed a limited power of attorne
y, she made a phone call and I drove back and picked it up.=C2-Our wonder
ful public servants would not deal with me direct. Odd how the customs agen
t had a card, (read stack of them)=C2-for a broker 2 miles away in his po
cket. And you think only the crooked ones are in Illinois.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Maib" <dmaib@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:39:48 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop assembly?
I had mine shipped assembled from the factory. I do not remember the amount
, but I know it was less than having it shipped to the nearest dealer, asse
mbled, recrated, and then shipped to me. However, I lived in a city (Minnea
polis) that had a major airport and customs office, so it could be shipped
directly to me. I bought mine through Jim Ayers at LessDragProducts.
David Maib
40559
On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:12 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
I can't remember the conversation I had a few months ago with the person I
am having assemble the prop, and I don't have the paper i wrote the info on
, but what have others paid for on the assembly of the MT prop? I seem to r
emember it being less significant of a price than what i am hearing now, bu
t I could be wrong. Non of what I am hearing has anything to do with cratin
g, or licensing or import fees or any of that, just assembly.
=C2-
Thanks,
=C2-
John G
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronic
s.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contrib
ution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | MT prop assembly? |
Thanks guys. The price is as described=2C I=2Cm okay...My brain is just wor
ling from the cash outflow and lackof inflow in the last few months.
From: dmaib@mac.comSubject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop assembly?Date: Tue=2C 13
Jan 2009 16:39:48 -0500To: rv10-list@matronics.comI had mine shipped assem
bled from the factory. I do not remember the amount=2C but I know it was le
ss than having it shipped to the nearest dealer=2C assembled=2C recrated=2C
and then shipped to me. However=2C I lived in a city (Minneapolis) that ha
d a major airport and customs office=2C so it could be shipped directly to
me. I bought mine through Jim Ayers at LessDragProducts.
David Maib
40559
On Jan 13=2C 2009=2C at 12:12 PM=2C John Gonzalez wrote:I can't remember th
e conversation I had a few months ago with the person I am having assemble
the prop=2C and I don't have the paper i wrote the info on=2C but what have
others paid for on the assembly of the MT prop? I seem to remember it bein
g less significant of a price than what i am hearing now=2C but I could be
wrong. Non of what I am hearing has anything to do with crating=2C or licen
sing or import fees or any of that=2C just assembly. Thanks=2C John Ghttp:/
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Yeah, I had to hire a customs broker as well. Same deal, Customs
agent just happened to have the name and number of the nearest broker
handy.
David Maib
40559
On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Rick Sked wrote:
Me too...from Jim Ayers. AND I had to hire a stinkin customs broker
for $150 to get it out of customs.For that fee I signed a limited
power of attorney, she made a phone call and I drove back and picked
it up. Our wonderful public servants would not deal with me direct.
Odd how the customs agent had a card, (read stack of them) for a
broker 2 miles away in his pocket. And you think only the crooked
ones are in Illinois.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Maib" <dmaib@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:39:48 PM (GMT-0800) America/
Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop assembly?
I had mine shipped assembled from the factory. I do not remember the
amount, but I know it was less than having it shipped to the nearest
dealer, assembled, recrated, and then shipped to me. However, I lived
in a city (Minneapolis) that had a major airport and customs office,
so it could be shipped directly to me. I bought mine through Jim
Ayers at LessDragProducts.
David Maib
40559
On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:12 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
I can't remember the conversation I had a few months ago with the
person I am having assemble the prop, and I don't have the paper i
wrote the info on, but what have others paid for on the assembly of
the MT prop? I seem to remember it being less significant of a price
than what i am hearing now, but I could be wrong. Non of what I am
hearing has anything to do with crating, or licensing or import fees
or any of that, just assembly.
Thanks,
John G
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
contribution
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Heh, heh, you one smart cookie Rick! :) We're going Saturday night,
wanna go?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
I'll give you three guesses who at BPA wrote this and I'll bet it's not
the good looking one or the distinguished gentleman who founded the
company!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:28:31 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Coon huntin'
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I
owned a
pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm
not
anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good
applications
for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a
constitutional
rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see
the
enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
target.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> would work in the cockpit?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
> Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that
anyone
can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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| Subject: | Neat to have but.. |
You ought to go, Rick. And take that airport manager along...
Neal
Heh, heh, you one smart cookie Rick! :) We're going Saturday night,
wanna go?
I'll give you three guesses who at BPA wrote this and I'll bet it's not
the good looking one or the distinguished gentleman who founded the
company!!
Coon huntin'
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| Subject: | Re: Neat to have but.. |
If it's within 100 miles of here heck yes!! I know they make nifty hats but you
don't eat them thing do you...oh wait..your in OK huh? Never mind! Allen, paint
starting in a week or so, wanna come out in late Feb for the first startup
and flight? I have room!!
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:03:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Heh, heh, you one smart cookie Rick! :) We're going Saturday night,
wanna go?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
I'll give you three guesses who at BPA wrote this and I'll bet it's not
the good looking one or the distinguished gentleman who founded the
company!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:28:31 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Coon huntin'
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I
owned a
pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm
not
anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good
applications
for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a
constitutional
rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see
the
enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
target.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
-------- Original Message --------
> This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> would work in the cockpit?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
> Rick S. 40185
Why do you find it disturbing?
That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that
anyone
can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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| Subject: | Re: Neat to have but.. |
Think we could get Dick Cheney to tag along? We could pair Randy (airport manager
) up with him.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:25:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
You ought to go, Rick. And take that airport manager along...
Neal
Heh, heh, you one smart cookie Rick! :) We're going Saturday night,
wanna go?
I'll give you three guesses who at BPA wrote this and I'll bet it's not
the good looking one or the distinguished gentleman who founded the
company!!
Coon huntin'
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| Subject: | Neat to have but.. |
Fox hunting in Oregon.
Bob K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
or C'yote hunting as I discovered was a popular pastime in Deming, NM.
William
-------- Original Message --------
> Coon huntin'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:08 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
>
>
> I'd use them to try to find the friggin outhouse during a new moon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
>
>
> Well I guess being more specific, I wonder if I could get mine (if I
> owned a
> pair) on fast enough to even the odds in a night time altercation. I'm
> not
> anti gun, own several myself but I can't think of as many good
> applications
> for these as there are illegal ones. Not intending to start a
> constitutional
> rights battle, It just seems strange how easily you buy NVG's which were
> designed for the military, I'm sure these are Russian surplus, to see
> the
> enemy at night...I guess it depends wether you are the shooter or the
> target.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:27:20 AM (GMT-0800)
> America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Neat to have but..
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > This may be a little off topic but does anyone find it a bit
> > disturbing that these are so easily obtained? I wonder how well it
> > would work in the cockpit?
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=55734
>
> > Rick S. 40185
>
>
> Why do you find it disturbing?
> That's almost like a lay-person saying "they find it disturbing that
> anyone
> can build their own plane and fly it over their heads."
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lower Cowling attachment |
Another builder and myself are approaching the point of installing the engine.
We want to install the cowl flanges and hinges first. We are aware of the issue
with the eyelets on the hinges breaking on the bottom of the cowl, so we have
both decided to use a flange/screw and nut-plate arrangement.
The question is this.... In a recent post someone mentioned that they used .063
aluminum plate to support the bottom of the cowling. That is awfully heavy metal,
but maybe that is what is called for in this location.
I also see that Deems has used some kind of aluminum flange with 3 nut-plates on
each side. I also think that Tim Olsen did not use the hinge on the bottom of
the cowl. But I cannot see the pic on his site.
If anyone (or hopefully several) of you can give some insight here it would be
graciously appreciated
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowling attachment |
Hi Mike,
I have hinge stuff on these pages:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050821/index.html
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050905/index.html
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050911/index.html
I don't think that .063 is needed for greater support. Basically,
depending on how you attach everything, and what your actual cowl
thicknesses are, you're just trying to find a thickness of metal
that allows you to get the cowl to fit flush to the bottom of the
fuselage. In my case I can't remember what I used, but it added
up to some thicker material. I didn't use any shims, if I
remember right...just that material, and I attached some metal
to the cowl and metal to the plane. It really all just depends
on how you want to make it. Just make it come out so the cowl
is flush, and you have a few screws holding it all instead of
hinges with eyelets and you'll be fine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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AirMike wrote:
>
> Another builder and myself are approaching the point of installing
> the engine. We want to install the cowl flanges and hinges first. We
> are aware of the issue with the eyelets on the hinges breaking on the
> bottom of the cowl, so we have both decided to use a flange/screw and
> nut-plate arrangement.
>
> The question is this.... In a recent post someone mentioned that
> they used .063 aluminum plate to support the bottom of the cowling.
> That is awfully heavy metal, but maybe that is what is called for in
> this location.
>
> I also see that Deems has used some kind of aluminum flange with 3
> nut-plates on each side. I also think that Tim Olsen did not use the
> hinge on the bottom of the cowl. But I cannot see the pic on his
> site.
>
> If anyone (or hopefully several) of you can give some insight here it
> would be graciously appreciated
>
> -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit -
> wiring and FWF
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224639#224639
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adjustable Axle Spacers - Effectus AeroProducts |
AMEN!
grumpy
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On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> In all fairness to Matco, it should be noted that Matco just
> made the wheels and Vans picked them for the RV-10. Van's
> designed the axle and spacers, and Van's chose to make them
> the way they did...choosing not to make them fit the bearing
> taper, choosing not to size the inside of the spacers for
> the rubber seal....all of that. So the design flaws aren't
> Matco's fault. They didn't even SEE an RV-10 application until
> they worked with Scott to try to find out what they could do
> to stop getting complaints about the design...so they worked
> with him to come up with a better design for ALL of the
> RV nosewheel kits. They HAD to come up with something, so that
> their own reputation doesn't suffer from the bad design of
> our original kits. This isn't a big slam on Van's, either.
> They try their best to make things cheap for the builder.
> The problem comes in that many people, especially people
> building the higher-priced RV-10 model, aren't happy with
> some of the cost compromises, and expect more. That's how
> things like the axle extensions, this nosewheel fix, and
> heck, all of those Rivetmaster and iflyrv10 parts came to
> be....they're all improvements on the original design that
> many builders think should have been done better initially.
> That trim nut that goes on the trim cable access plate is
> a HUGE one.....the original welded stuff is an accident waiting
> to happen. If I hadn't silver-soldered mine up tough, I'd
> never have felt good about it. Now you can buy a nice
> replacement that is much better than the original. The
> sad thing is, all of these improvements have never made it
> into the RV-10 "standard package"...which would have made
> it easier on the builder by maybe upping the kit price
> by a few dollars, but providing you with the best in parts
> right off the bat...saving you shipping, time, hassle, and
> worry. With products like the Axle extensions, there are
> going to be many people that don't hear about these
> parts, and they'll have things like smashed wheel fairings
> because of it.
>
> Anyway, Matco wasn't the problem with the original design,
> but they're part of the solution...and I think the pricing
> is indicative of them trying to ensure that their company
> name doesn't suffer because of an over-zealous cost-saving
> attitude of our kit supplier. In the end, it's just a good
> thing that there are becoming some good "standard fixes"
> for the handful of shortcomings that we've found.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> David Hertner wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> It seems as though I have been scooped in the marketplace!!
>> With the introduction of the Matco adjustable axle my product
>> offering has effectively been run outta town! There is little
>> chance of me being able to compete with a product being offered by
>> the company with whom the problem originated. This is just how
>> things go sometimes.
>> I would like to inform those who had contacted Cleaveland Tools to
>> place a pre-order that I have canceled the product offering in
>> fairness to Mike at Cleaveland Tools even though they had ordered
>> product already. I would hate to have that product sit on their
>> shelves with no interest in them.
>> To those who had the confidence to pre-order my adjustable pre-load
>> axle spacers, Thank You. It is always gratifying to have the
>> confidence of your peers.
>> I look forward to offering other accessories and parts to the kit
>> builder and kit manufacturer alike.
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowling attachment |
The original hinge material was 0.063". Using a flange of the same thickness makes
it easier to maintain cowl to fuselage alignment.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Lower Cowling attachment |
Mike,
I replaced my broken hinges with .063 sheet of the same dimensions as the
two hinge halves pinned together, about 2" x 6". The sheet is riveted to
the horizontal return at the bottom of the firewall, exactly like the hinge
was. I have three nutplates in the sheet to support the aft end of the
cowl. The hinge half on the cowl was removed, and now the cowl screws
directly to the sheet.
The hinges cracked out at about 50 hours. We've got 306 hours as of today
and the new attach is working fine.
Soon after the hinges went away, the vertical center support also cracked.
That got duplicated in .063 (I think it was originally .032). So far so
good with that one too.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lower Cowling attachment
Another builder and myself are approaching the point of installing the
engine. We want to install the cowl flanges and hinges first. We are aware
of the issue with the eyelets on the hinges breaking on the bottom of the
cowl, so we have both decided to use a flange/screw and nut-plate
arrangement.
The question is this.... In a recent post someone mentioned that they used
.063 aluminum plate to support the bottom of the cowling. That is awfully
heavy metal, but maybe that is what is called for in this location.
I also see that Deems has used some kind of aluminum flange with 3
nut-plates on each side. I also think that Tim Olsen did not use the hinge
on the bottom of the cowl. But I cannot see the pic on his site.
If anyone (or hopefully several) of you can give some insight here it would
be graciously appreciated
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224639#224639
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| Subject: | Lower Cowling attachment |
Hi Mike=2C
I did the same as been echoed by others. There are some pictures and info a
t the bottom of my blog: http://www.aviationstop.com/
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
> Subject: RV10-List: Lower Cowling attachment
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Tue=2C 13 Jan 2009 18:08:46 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Another builder and myself are approaching the point of installing the en
gine. We want to install the cowl flanges and hinges first. We are aware of
the issue with the eyelets on the hinges breaking on the bottom of the cow
l=2C so we have both decided to use a flange/screw and nut-plate arrangemen
t.
>
> The question is this.... In a recent post someone mentioned that they us
ed .063 aluminum plate to support the bottom of the cowling. That is awfull
y heavy metal=2C but maybe that is what is called for in this location.
>
> I also see that Deems has used some kind of aluminum flange with 3 nut-pl
ates on each side. I also think that Tim Olsen did not use the hinge on the
bottom of the cowl. But I cannot see the pic on his site.
>
> If anyone (or hopefully several) of you can give some insight here it wou
ld be graciously appreciated
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "=3B09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224639#224639
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowling attachment |
Thank you so much Tim, Dave and Jim. I cannot tell you how grateful I am that you
and other builders are out there to help us newbies through the building process.
From your efforts and others on this site we will have better built and
safer airplanes.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
:)
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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