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1. 05:14 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (pascal)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Rick Sked)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Ben Westfall)
6. 07:31 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
8. 08:05 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
9. 08:05 AM - Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale (Roger Standley)
10. 08:16 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Rick Sked)
11. 08:20 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Rick Sked)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Scott Schmidt)
13. 09:11 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Danny Riggs)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
15. 10:29 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
16. 10:31 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 01:38 PM - Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale (Robin Marks)
18. 01:50 PM - NACA Vent question (johngoodman)
19. 02:02 PM - Re: NACA Vent question (Rick Sked)
20. 03:47 PM - Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale (Patrick ONeill)
21. 07:38 PM - Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale (Albert Gardner)
22. 07:43 PM - Garmin's new stuff for LSAs, etc. (Kelly McMullen)
23. 08:11 PM - Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Andrew Johnson)
24. 08:26 PM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (John Gonzalez)
25. 08:27 PM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
26. 08:30 PM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Albert Gardner)
27. 08:40 PM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Tim Olson)
28. 08:49 PM - Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale (Jesse Saint)
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Probably doesn't hurt that they know who to send it to for full write ups. ;-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
weekend before it was known by most people that they were
even available, and my order was one of the first in.
I think they ran out right away shortly after.
I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
says the following:
------------------------
"The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the
WHLAXLE24 product page.
Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done.
------------------------
There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Actually, it was all just a standard purchase for me. Scott Schmidt
was at the same airport as them, he got one installed with them, so
that they could do it right. We talked on the phone about the design
and he filled me in on it. I asked him to find out how much $$,
so he checked into it and I got a reply that it was available for
purchase on their website. I hadn't ever even talked to a person
from Matco until they called to let me know it was shipping. And,
I even had to contact them AGAIN, because when they billed my credit
card, the sale price as listed on the site didn't get incorporated,
so I had to get a credit for the sale price. It was when they
called to let me know it was shipping that I told them I'd give
them feedback once it was installed.
So, just to dispell any myths, they didn't provide me any product
for free, no special pricing (other than the standard sale price),
and gave no incentive whatsoever.
For what it's worth, the same goes for almost everything that
I have in the plane...there were a couple things that I got in
exchange for some help in development or being the first to
flight test something for the manufacturer (most of which were way
back 3-4 years ago now), but I've never been paid for promoting
anything, or for a write-up.
Looking back at my website for some of my favorite little things
of recent, I can say that I got nothing for it....such as:
Matco Axle
Voyager software and related items
Slick Mag parts
NavWorx ADS-B
Mutt Muffs
Brake Lines
WSI Wx
CO Guardian
Chelton/Pinpoint stuff
I'll discontinue listing at this point, but the point is,
none of those vendors paid anything for any reviews or write-ups.
By being persistent, or jumping on something as soon as it was
available, I've often been able to be at the front of a queue.
In the case of the Axle, once Scott told me that it was an
item that they were going to sell, I pursued it immediately
within a short time of hearing it was available. Literally
getting his email while I was still in bed, and ordering before
I got up to shower. When they called to tell me it was shipping,
I actually was going to tell them not to worry about rushing
it, but the phone call was too short.
I know you didn't intend to imply anything big with the note
Michael, but I figured it doesn't hurt to make the statement
anyway. Sadly, I have to buy most things these days, just
like everyone else. It sucks, too, because I have a purchase
I want to make that is pretty sizeable ($6-8,0000+)...and man,
it would be cool if I could get a break on that. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Probably doesn't hurt that they know who to send it to for full write ups. ;-)
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:37 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>
> I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
> weekend before it was known by most people that they were
> even available, and my order was one of the first in.
> I think they ran out right away shortly after.
>
> I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
> tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
> says the following:
> ------------------------
> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the
> WHLAXLE24 product page.
>
> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
> easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
>
> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done.
> ------------------------
>
> There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done
I don't understand what this means? why would one need to replace the wheel
half?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
> weekend before it was known by most people that they were
> even available, and my order was one of the first in.
> I think they ran out right away shortly after.
>
> I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
> tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
> says the following:
> ------------------------
> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the WHLAXLE24
> product page.
>
> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
> easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
>
> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done.
> ------------------------
>
> There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
>>
>> Hmm.. does this mean the Matco backlog is now shipping?
>>
>> Great write-up once again Tim. Thanks for taking time to write it all up
>> and give your perspective.
>> P
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:00 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>>
>>> Last night I installed the new Matco axle in my RV-10. It
>>> looks like it should work out way better than the original.
>>>
>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090120
>>>
>>> From my perspective, things started off truly unsafe and
>>> miserable. This is now basically my 4th "try" at making
>>> things perfect.
>>>
>>> #1. Stainless spacers - trashing my fork
>>> #2. Large washers protecting fork, Stainless spacers rotation
>>> locked.....much better from a wear perspective.
>>> #3. Use Van's new parts provided after SB was put out.
>>> This was a better situation than the original by FAR.
>>> But, it is also far from ideal, and is pretty crappy
>>> from a bearing preload perspective, and they STILL
>>> didn't provide anti-spin for the spacers.
>>> #3. Matco's replacement axle. It's far nicer, and basically
>>> fixes all of the issues that the original one has.
>>>
>>> I would encourage all of you RV-10 builders to at absolute
>>> minimum, do some sort of mod to make Van's spacers anti-spin.
>>> You will still have to do far more checking of nosewheel
>>> bolt torque if you want to prevent issues over time, but that
>>> in itself would be a step up. But really, for the low cost of
>>> this axle, I think it should just be one of those things that
>>> everyone does....just like the axle extensions on the main gear.
>>> Don't wreck something or live with a poor standard design.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
The stock wheel that comes in the kit causes the valve stem to hit or almost hit
the fork with the valve cap on, funny when I asked Vans they said just leave
the valve cap off. lol...Dutch fix! I monted my wheel before the word came out
about swapping it at Matco. I bent the valve stem but am still not comfy leaving
it that way. I hated the thought of spending so much for a new wheel but
I was going to do it anyhow. It's good news they will take the one half back and
fix it for $60, plus the axel. There for a little while I thought I was just
about over the nickel and dime portion of the build...but then I'm sending in
my paint order today..let's see...Mortgage and bills or paint...mortgage and
bills or paint...what's guy to do...PAINT!!!
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:50:06 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done
I don't understand what this means? why would one need to replace the wheel
half?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
> weekend before it was known by most people that they were
> even available, and my order was one of the first in.
> I think they ran out right away shortly after.
>
> I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
> tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
> says the following:
> ------------------------
> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the WHLAXLE24
> product page.
>
> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
> easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
>
> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done.
> ------------------------
>
> There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
>>
>> Hmm.. does this mean the Matco backlog is now shipping?
>>
>> Great write-up once again Tim. Thanks for taking time to write it all up
>> and give your perspective.
>> P
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:00 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>>
>>> Last night I installed the new Matco axle in my RV-10. It
>>> looks like it should work out way better than the original.
>>>
>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090120
>>>
>>> From my perspective, things started off truly unsafe and
>>> miserable. This is now basically my 4th "try" at making
>>> things perfect.
>>>
>>> #1. Stainless spacers - trashing my fork
>>> #2. Large washers protecting fork, Stainless spacers rotation
>>> locked.....much better from a wear perspective.
>>> #3. Use Van's new parts provided after SB was put out.
>>> This was a better situation than the original by FAR.
>>> But, it is also far from ideal, and is pretty crappy
>>> from a bearing preload perspective, and they STILL
>>> didn't provide anti-spin for the spacers.
>>> #3. Matco's replacement axle. It's far nicer, and basically
>>> fixes all of the issues that the original one has.
>>>
>>> I would encourage all of you RV-10 builders to at absolute
>>> minimum, do some sort of mod to make Van's spacers anti-spin.
>>> You will still have to do far more checking of nosewheel
>>> bolt torque if you want to prevent issues over time, but that
>>> in itself would be a step up. But really, for the low cost of
>>> this axle, I think it should just be one of those things that
>>> everyone does....just like the axle extensions on the main gear.
>>> Don't wreck something or live with a poor standard design.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Pascal,
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3720
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done
I don't understand what this means? why would one need to replace the wheel
half?
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
For the new builders....
It's an old topic that used to get some attention. I don't think
it affects MOST people too bad, but, here's the story to the best
that I know it....
Van's buys a certain wheel that WE use as our front wheel, but other
RV's use as one of their mains. That wheel works fine for them, and
Van's only wants to stock one model of 5" wheel. So, we get what
they use. The problem is, there have been some people who have
had the valve stem actually TOUCH the fork, because the way the wheel
is made, the valve stem sticks out too far with Van's standard
wheel. Some people just leave the valve cap off. Some people
(like me) leave the cap on and it wasn't a big problem...it was real
close, but never hit the fork. Simply judging by how few times it
comes up on the forum, and assuming that 90% of the builders are
not swapping wheels (because like you, they probably didn't even
know about it, and just built the plane), my guess is that the
problem is not overwhelmingly common. There may be lots of people
it affects, but probably not a majority, or we'd hear more.
But, it is indeed something that if you just build it, and don't
question it, you aren't doing "the best you can" to get things
perfect. To do that, you would want to use the proper wheel.
And, after hearing of some complaints early on, Matco decided to
offer these wheel exchanges inexpensively, so that builders could
use the proper wheel. I don't quite understand why the wheel
has to go back to them once it's been mounted, but you only
would need to replace 1/2 of the wheel because only 1/2 has
the valve stem hole.
So if you are not to the front wheel install portion yet,
it is probably worth looking into either NOT buying the wheel
from Van's, but buying the proper one direct....or, as soon
as you get your brand new nosewheel, call Matco and get them to
swap the half out.
Luckily for me, I was in the group of earlier builders that
really had no issue other than the clearance was minimal.
The fork builds up a lot of dirt and grime, and you'd easily
be able to see marks if the valve cap/stem were rubbing the
fork in use. I've never seen any of that on mine.
So, it may not be a major worry, and if you already built it
and it doesn't hit, you have nothing to fear. (Besides that,
when/if you use Matco's new Axle, you'll get more clearance
on that side if you install the axle in the orientation I did).
If you haven't built that part yet, then if it were me, I'd
play it safe and just use the best wheel for the plane...the
one they're suggesting.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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pascal wrote:
>
> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done
>
>
> I don't understand what this means? why would one need to replace the
> wheel half?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:37 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>>
>> I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
>> weekend before it was known by most people that they were
>> even available, and my order was one of the first in.
>> I think they ran out right away shortly after.
>>
>> I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
>> tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
>> says the following:
>> ------------------------
>> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the
>> WHLAXLE24 product page.
>>
>> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
>> easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
>>
>> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
>> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We
>> offer an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet
>> mated the tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has
>> already been mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here
>> to have it done.
>> ------------------------
>>
>> There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> pascal wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm.. does this mean the Matco backlog is now shipping?
>>>
>>> Great write-up once again Tim. Thanks for taking time to write it all
>>> up and give your perspective.
>>> P
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:00 PM
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last night I installed the new Matco axle in my RV-10. It
>>>> looks like it should work out way better than the original.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090120
>>>>
>>>> From my perspective, things started off truly unsafe and
>>>> miserable. This is now basically my 4th "try" at making
>>>> things perfect.
>>>>
>>>> #1. Stainless spacers - trashing my fork
>>>> #2. Large washers protecting fork, Stainless spacers rotation
>>>> locked.....much better from a wear perspective.
>>>> #3. Use Van's new parts provided after SB was put out.
>>>> This was a better situation than the original by FAR.
>>>> But, it is also far from ideal, and is pretty crappy
>>>> from a bearing preload perspective, and they STILL
>>>> didn't provide anti-spin for the spacers.
>>>> #3. Matco's replacement axle. It's far nicer, and basically
>>>> fixes all of the issues that the original one has.
>>>>
>>>> I would encourage all of you RV-10 builders to at absolute
>>>> minimum, do some sort of mod to make Van's spacers anti-spin.
>>>> You will still have to do far more checking of nosewheel
>>>> bolt torque if you want to prevent issues over time, but that
>>>> in itself would be a step up. But really, for the low cost of
>>>> this axle, I think it should just be one of those things that
>>>> everyone does....just like the axle extensions on the main gear.
>>>> Don't wreck something or live with a poor standard design.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Pay for the Paint. You'll probably get a Mortgage bailout
anyway, right? :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Sked wrote:
>
> The stock wheel that comes in the kit causes the valve stem to hit or
> almost hit the fork with the valve cap on, funny when I asked Vans
> they said just leave the valve cap off. lol...Dutch fix! I monted my
> wheel before the word came out about swapping it at Matco. I bent the
> valve stem but am still not comfy leaving it that way. I hated the
> thought of spending so much for a new wheel but I was going to do it
> anyhow. It's good news they will take the one half back and fix it
> for $60, plus the axel. There for a little while I thought I was just
> about over the nickel and dime portion of the build...but then I'm
> sending in my paint order today..let's see...Mortgage and bills or
> paint...mortgage and bills or paint...what's guy to do...PAINT!!!
>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
I went through this also with Matco when I first found out about it and
did the wheel swap. Matco's rationale behind it is:
- if you haven't mounted the tire then the wheel is in new condition and
they'll swap it for very little $.
- if you've already mounted the tire then the wheel is assumed to be in
used condition. In that case you have 2 options: 1) send in the wheel
half and have them "fix" it (or exchange it, not sure which), or 2) buy
the new wheel and sell your old one.
In my mind this is just like the axle deal - it's an inexpensive
permanent solution to what is best described as Van's low cost "good
enough" solution. The wheel swap reorients the valve stem to give you
appropriate clearance. Having 1/8" with the valve stem cap off just
didn't do it for me... I ordered the axle assembly (also on the wait
list) for the same reason. The Van's solution works (aluminum spacers,
not the stainless spacers) but clearly isn't the best. I didn't make
any mods to prevent the spacers from rotating but haven't seen any
issues yet. The Matco replacement assembly is inexpensive in airplane
dollars and is probably far cheaper than new bearings, a new front fork,
or whatever else might give it up because the preload might not be right
over time.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
<clip>
I don't quite understand why the wheel
has to go back to them once it's been mounted, but you only
would need to replace 1/2 of the wheel because only 1/2 has
the valve stem hole.
<clip>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale |
Hi Patrick,
What gripes do you have about the 496?
Roger
#40291
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill<mailto:poneill@irealms.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi Brian,
Great! That is just what I wanted to hear. I've been thinking about
the upgrade for a while and wondering whether to do it or not
considering the eventual RV-10 completion. I'm glad to hear someone
else considers it a worthwhile upgrade. It appears to resolve most of my
gripes about the 496. I can't wait to take it up and put it through its
paces.
Patrick #40715
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cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:00 AM
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hello Patrick,
My wife and I did the exact same thing. We sold our 496 and got the
696. It's really great!
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:47:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi All,
I've decided to upgrade to the 696 and so I'm putting my 496 up for
sale. If anyone is looking for one, I figured I'd check with the list
before putting it up on ebay.
Unit is in excellent condition with all original accessories and box
plus one extra battery. I'm located in SoCal and anyone local is
welcome to come take a look first.
If anyone is interested feel free to make me an offer off list:
poneill@irealms.com<mailto:poneill@irealms.com>.
Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Oh yeah...holding my breath, actually no problems but it's a daily changing world.
But in future messages can we not use "bailout". Seems like a bad word on
an aviation forum!! :)
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:47:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Pay for the Paint. You'll probably get a Mortgage bailout
anyway, right? :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> The stock wheel that comes in the kit causes the valve stem to hit or
> almost hit the fork with the valve cap on, funny when I asked Vans
> they said just leave the valve cap off. lol...Dutch fix! I monted my
> wheel before the word came out about swapping it at Matco. I bent the
> valve stem but am still not comfy leaving it that way. I hated the
> thought of spending so much for a new wheel but I was going to do it
> anyhow. It's good news they will take the one half back and fix it
> for $60, plus the axel. There for a little while I thought I was just
> about over the nickel and dime portion of the build...but then I'm
> sending in my paint order today..let's see...Mortgage and bills or
> paint...mortgage and bills or paint...what's guy to do...PAINT!!!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
I totally agree Bob,
I will bet any amount of money as close as that stem is to the fork, centrifugal
force will indeed cause it to scrape and rub on the fork. I was planning to
buy the whole new rim, I just like the fact I can save half the price by sending
in the rim for a fix. I wonder if my hangar association will mind my RV on
blocks for a few weeks...I can hear the "There goes the neighborhood" remarks
now.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:04:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I went through this also with Matco when I first found out about it and
did the wheel swap. Matco's rationale behind it is:
- if you haven't mounted the tire then the wheel is in new condition and
they'll swap it for very little $.
- if you've already mounted the tire then the wheel is assumed to be in
used condition. In that case you have 2 options: 1) send in the wheel
half and have them "fix" it (or exchange it, not sure which), or 2) buy
the new wheel and sell your old one.
In my mind this is just like the axle deal - it's an inexpensive
permanent solution to what is best described as Van's low cost "good
enough" solution. The wheel swap reorients the valve stem to give you
appropriate clearance. Having 1/8" with the valve stem cap off just
didn't do it for me... I ordered the axle assembly (also on the wait
list) for the same reason. The Van's solution works (aluminum spacers,
not the stainless spacers) but clearly isn't the best. I didn't make
any mods to prevent the spacers from rotating but haven't seen any
issues yet. The Matco replacement assembly is inexpensive in airplane
dollars and is probably far cheaper than new bearings, a new front fork,
or whatever else might give it up because the preload might not be right
over time.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
<clip>
I don't quite understand why the wheel
has to go back to them once it's been mounted, but you only
would need to replace 1/2 of the wheel because only 1/2 has
the valve stem hole.
<clip>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
I have the original tube and it is close but works.
What Matco has told me is that the stock tube is hard to find if you were to have
a flat without ordering one.
That might be a good reason to upgrade.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:04:37 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I went through this also with Matco when I first found out about it and
did the wheel swap. Matco's rationale behind it is:
- if you haven't mounted the tire then the wheel is in new condition and
they'll swap it for very little $.
- if you've already mounted the tire then the wheel is assumed to be in
used condition. In that case you have 2 options: 1) send in the wheel
half and have them "fix" it (or exchange it, not sure which), or 2) buy
the new wheel and sell your old one.
In my mind this is just like the axle deal - it's an inexpensive
permanent solution to what is best described as Van's low cost "good
enough" solution. The wheel swap reorients the valve stem to give you
appropriate clearance. Having 1/8" with the valve stem cap off just
didn't do it for me... I ordered the axle assembly (also on the wait
list) for the same reason. The Van's solution works (aluminum spacers,
not the stainless spacers) but clearly isn't the best. I didn't make
any mods to prevent the spacers from rotating but haven't seen any
issues yet. The Matco replacement assembly is inexpensive in airplane
dollars and is probably far cheaper than new bearings, a new front fork,
or whatever else might give it up because the preload might not be right
over time.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
<clip>
I don't quite understand why the wheel
has to go back to them once it's been mounted, but you only
would need to replace 1/2 of the wheel because only 1/2 has
the valve stem hole.
<clip>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
The problem is still here. I have a new kit and after putting the wheel tog
ether noticed that the valve stem was rubbing when the cap was installed. A
lways something! Dan> Date: Thu=2C 22 Jan 2009 09:30:38 -0600> From: Tim@M
yRV10.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10
m Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>> > For the new builders....> > It's an old topic t
hat used to get some attention. I don't think> it affects MOST people too b
ad=2C but=2C here's the story to the best> that I know it....> > Van's buys
a certain wheel that WE use as our front wheel=2C but other> RV's use as o
ne of their mains. That wheel works fine for them=2C and> Van's only wants
to stock one model of 5" wheel. So=2C we get what> they use. The problem is
=2C there have been some people who have> had the valve stem actually TOUCH
the fork=2C because the way the wheel> is made=2C the valve stem sticks ou
t too far with Van's standard> wheel. Some people just leave the valve cap
off. Some people> (like me) leave the cap on and it wasn't a big problem...
it was real> close=2C but never hit the fork. Simply judging by how few tim
es it> comes up on the forum=2C and assuming that 90% of the builders are>
not swapping wheels (because like you=2C they probably didn't even> know ab
out it=2C and just built the plane)=2C my guess is that the> problem is not
overwhelmingly common. There may be lots of people> it affects=2C but prob
ably not a majority=2C or we'd hear more.> > But=2C it is indeed something
that if you just build it=2C and don't> question it=2C you aren't doing "th
e best you can" to get things> perfect. To do that=2C you would want to use
the proper wheel.> And=2C after hearing of some complaints early on=2C Mat
co decided to> offer these wheel exchanges inexpensively=2C so that builder
s could> use the proper wheel. I don't quite understand why the wheel> has
to go back to them once it's been mounted=2C but you only> would need to re
place 1/2 of the wheel because only 1/2 has> the valve stem hole.> > So if
you are not to the front wheel install portion yet=2C> it is probably worth
looking into either NOT buying the wheel> from Van's=2C but buying the pro
per one direct....or=2C as soon> as you get your brand new nosewheel=2C cal
l Matco and get them to> swap the half out.> > Luckily for me=2C I was in t
he group of earlier builders that> really had no issue other than the clear
ance was minimal.> The fork builds up a lot of dirt and grime=2C and you'd
easily> be able to see marks if the valve cap/stem were rubbing the> fork i
n use. I've never seen any of that on mine.> > So=2C it may not be a major
worry=2C and if you already built it> and it doesn't hit=2C you have nothin
g to fear. (Besides that=2C> when/if you use Matco's new Axle=2C you'll get
more clearance> on that side if you install the axle in the orientation I
did).> If you haven't built that part yet=2C then if it were me=2C I'd> pla
y it safe and just use the best wheel for the plane...the> one they're sugg
esting.> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> do not archive> > > pascal wr
> > > The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined> >
differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer> >
an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the> >
tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been> >
mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done> >
> > > > I don't understand what this means? why would one need to replace t
he > > wheel half?> > > > -------------------------------------------------
-> > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C January 21=2C
2009 10:37 PM> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List:
Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up> > > >> --> RV10-List messa
ge posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>> >>> >> I'm not sure if the backlo
g is shipping. I ordered the> >> weekend before it was known by most people
that they were> >> even available=2C and my order was one of the first in.
> >> I think they ran out right away shortly after.> >>> >> I did just get
a little feedback from George at Matco> >> tonight=2C who I sent the link f
or the write-up to. He> >> says the following:> >> ------------------------
> >> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the > >>
WHLAXLE24 product page.> >>> >> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge d
ifference for Scott and is > >> easy to do with the center hole in the axle
.> >>> >> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
> >> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We > >>
offer an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet > >>
mated the tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has > >> a
lready been mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here > >> to
have it done.> >> ------------------------> >>> >> There you go=2C more inf
o to consider=2C if you're building.> >>> >>> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD -
Flying> >> do not archive> >>> >>> >> pascal wrote:> >>> --> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>> >>>> >>> Hmm.. does this
mean the Matco backlog is now shipping?> >>>> >>> Great write-up once agai
n Tim. Thanks for taking time to write it all > >>> up and give your perspe
ctive.> >>> P> >>>> >>> -------------------------------------------------->
>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>> >>> Sent: Wednesday=2C January 21
=2C 2009 1:00 PM> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >>> Subject: RV10-List
: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up> >>>> >>>> --> RV10-List
message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>> >>>>> >>>> Last night I inst
alled the new Matco axle in my RV-10. It> >>>> looks like it should work ou
t way better than the original.> >>>>> >>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/up
grades/20090120> >>>>> >>>> From my perspective=2C things started off truly
unsafe and> >>>> miserable. This is now basically my 4th "try" at making>
>>>> things perfect.> >>>>> >>>> #1. Stainless spacers - trashing my fork>
>>>> #2. Large washers protecting fork=2C Stainless spacers rotation> >>>>
locked.....much better from a wear perspective.> >>>> #3. Use Van's new par
ts provided after SB was put out.> >>>> This was a better situation than th
e original by FAR.> >>>> But=2C it is also far from ideal=2C and is pretty
crappy> >>>> from a bearing preload perspective=2C and they STILL> >>>> did
n't provide anti-spin for the spacers.> >>>> #3. Matco's replacement axle.
It's far nicer=2C and basically> >>>> fixes all of the issues that the orig
inal one has.> >>>>> >>>> I would encourage all of you RV-10 builders to at
absolute> >>>> minimum=2C do some sort of mod to make Van's spacers anti-s
pin.> >>>> You will still have to do far more checking of nosewheel> >>>> b
olt torque if you want to prevent issues over time=2C but that> >>>> in its
elf would be a step up. But really=2C for the low cost of> >>>> this axle
=2C I think it should just be one of those things that> >>>> everyone does.
...just like the axle extensions on the main gear.> >>>> Don't wreck someth
ing or live with a poor standard design.> >>>>> >>>> --> >>>> Tim Olson - R
V-10 N104CD - Flying> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
I know what Bob means, with it looking very close, it didn't give
warm fuzzies. I did leave mine in the beginning though, and
even with a small gap, (and it was pretty small) I never had
any scraping at all. It was less than 1/8" probably for sure
before the axle upgrade I just did. 430+ hours without
a scrape and I can feel halfway comfortable that if you can
at least have near 1/8" gap, you probably have no worries.
If you already have a tire mounted, and the gap is there but
small, you may just want to get the new Axle and see how
that fixes the gap. It will add more, for sure. But, NONE
of this is to try to discourage someone from buying the "right"
wheel. I really think Bob did the best thing by swapping
his wheel for the proper one. For the long term, that's
the best solution. I just think if you end up with 1/8",
you're not likely to have problems.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Sked wrote:
>
> I totally agree Bob,
>
> I will bet any amount of money as close as that stem is to the fork,
> centrifugal force will indeed cause it to scrape and rub on the fork.
> I was planning to buy the whole new rim, I just like the fact I can
> save half the price by sending in the rim for a fix. I wonder if my
> hangar association will mind my RV on blocks for a few weeks...I can
> hear the "There goes the neighborhood" remarks now.
>
> Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob
> Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:04:37 AM
> GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10
> Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I went through this also with Matco when I first found out about it
> and did the wheel swap. Matco's rationale behind it is: - if you
> haven't mounted the tire then the wheel is in new condition and
> they'll swap it for very little $. - if you've already mounted the
> tire then the wheel is assumed to be in used condition. In that case
> you have 2 options: 1) send in the wheel half and have them "fix" it
> (or exchange it, not sure which), or 2) buy the new wheel and sell
> your old one.
>
> In my mind this is just like the axle deal - it's an inexpensive
> permanent solution to what is best described as Van's low cost "good
> enough" solution. The wheel swap reorients the valve stem to give
> you appropriate clearance. Having 1/8" with the valve stem cap off
> just didn't do it for me... I ordered the axle assembly (also on the
> wait list) for the same reason. The Van's solution works (aluminum
> spacers, not the stainless spacers) but clearly isn't the best. I
> didn't make any mods to prevent the spacers from rotating but haven't
> seen any issues yet. The Matco replacement assembly is inexpensive
> in airplane dollars and is probably far cheaper than new bearings, a
> new front fork, or whatever else might give it up because the preload
> might not be right over time.
>
> Bob N442PM (flying)
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:31 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-up
>
>
> <clip> I don't quite understand why the wheel has to go back to them
> once it's been mounted, but you only would need to replace 1/2 of the
> wheel because only 1/2 has the valve stem hole. <clip>
>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Yep you're right. Didn't mean anything like what you were thinking below and
I expected you paid for it and probably had one coming before Scotts post. Just
saying that your prolific documentation nature entitles you to get things
ahead the rest of us and it wouldn't be a surprise if Matco made a point to get
yours out ASAP. Perk of the job as it were. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Actually, it was all just a standard purchase for me. Scott Schmidt
was at the same airport as them, he got one installed with them, so
that they could do it right. We talked on the phone about the design
and he filled me in on it. I asked him to find out how much $$,
so he checked into it and I got a reply that it was available for
purchase on their website. I hadn't ever even talked to a person
from Matco until they called to let me know it was shipping. And,
I even had to contact them AGAIN, because when they billed my credit
card, the sale price as listed on the site didn't get incorporated,
so I had to get a credit for the sale price. It was when they
called to let me know it was shipping that I told them I'd give
them feedback once it was installed.
So, just to dispell any myths, they didn't provide me any product
for free, no special pricing (other than the standard sale price),
and gave no incentive whatsoever.
For what it's worth, the same goes for almost everything that
I have in the plane...there were a couple things that I got in
exchange for some help in development or being the first to
flight test something for the manufacturer (most of which were way
back 3-4 years ago now), but I've never been paid for promoting
anything, or for a write-up.
Looking back at my website for some of my favorite little things
of recent, I can say that I got nothing for it....such as:
Matco Axle
Voyager software and related items
Slick Mag parts
NavWorx ADS-B
Mutt Muffs
Brake Lines
WSI Wx
CO Guardian
Chelton/Pinpoint stuff
I'll discontinue listing at this point, but the point is,
none of those vendors paid anything for any reviews or write-ups.
By being persistent, or jumping on something as soon as it was
available, I've often been able to be at the front of a queue.
In the case of the Axle, once Scott told me that it was an
item that they were going to sell, I pursued it immediately
within a short time of hearing it was available. Literally
getting his email while I was still in bed, and ordering before
I got up to shower. When they called to tell me it was shipping,
I actually was going to tell them not to worry about rushing
it, but the phone call was too short.
I know you didn't intend to imply anything big with the note
Michael, but I figured it doesn't hurt to make the statement
anyway. Sadly, I have to buy most things these days, just
like everyone else. It sucks, too, because I have a purchase
I want to make that is pretty sizeable ($6-8,0000+)...and man,
it would be cool if I could get a break on that. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Probably doesn't hurt that they know who to send it to for full write ups. ;-)
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:37 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>
> I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
> weekend before it was known by most people that they were
> even available, and my order was one of the first in.
> I think they ran out right away shortly after.
>
> I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
> tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
> says the following:
> ------------------------
> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the
> WHLAXLE24 product page.
>
> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
> easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
>
> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done.
> ------------------------
>
> There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
I did the same as Bob mentioned a couple years ago. I brought the Van's rim
with me to OSH and stopped by the Matco booth. With the free shipping and discount
offered during Airventure, I think I paid like $18 for the correct wheel.
I'm all for lowering parts count to cut costs but some of these things are just
silly. Granted Van's can point to the fact that no one has had a problem with
a deflated nose wheel due to this but it doesn't make it right either.
Michael
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I went through this also with Matco when I first found out about it and
did the wheel swap. Matco's rationale behind it is:
- if you haven't mounted the tire then the wheel is in new condition and
they'll swap it for very little $.
- if you've already mounted the tire then the wheel is assumed to be in
used condition. In that case you have 2 options: 1) send in the wheel
half and have them "fix" it (or exchange it, not sure which), or 2) buy
the new wheel and sell your old one.
In my mind this is just like the axle deal - it's an inexpensive
permanent solution to what is best described as Van's low cost "good
enough" solution. The wheel swap reorients the valve stem to give you
appropriate clearance. Having 1/8" with the valve stem cap off just
didn't do it for me... I ordered the axle assembly (also on the wait
list) for the same reason. The Van's solution works (aluminum spacers,
not the stainless spacers) but clearly isn't the best. I didn't make
any mods to prevent the spacers from rotating but haven't seen any
issues yet. The Matco replacement assembly is inexpensive in airplane
dollars and is probably far cheaper than new bearings, a new front fork,
or whatever else might give it up because the preload might not be right
over time.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
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| Subject: | Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale |
Roger,
Most people LOVE the 496 as a nice upgrade from the 296
or the 196 before that. I think those that are interested in selling
their 496 want the 696 for it's size and overall form factor. Just
remember in a few years people will be bailing out of their little 696's
because they have to have the 896... Sure beats 15 years ago when you
choice was a 6 pack or else.
Robin
Do Not Archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Standley
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi Patrick,
What gripes do you have about the 496?
Roger
#40291
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From: Patrick ONeill <mailto:poneill@irealms.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi Brian,
Great! That is just what I wanted to hear. I've been thinking
about the upgrade for a while and wondering whether to do it or not
considering the eventual RV-10 completion. I'm glad to hear someone
else considers it a worthwhile upgrade. It appears to resolve most of my
gripes about the 496. I can't wait to take it up and put it through its
paces.
Patrick #40715
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hello Patrick,
My wife and I did the exact same thing. We sold our 496 and got
the 696. It's really great!
Brian
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To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:47:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
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Subject: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi All,
I've decided to upgrade to the 696 and so I'm putting my 496 up
for sale. If anyone is looking for one, I figured I'd check with the
list before putting it up on ebay.
Unit is in excellent condition with all original accessories and
box plus one extra battery. I'm located in SoCal and anyone local is
welcome to come take a look first.
If anyone is interested feel free to make me an offer off list:
poneill@irealms.com.
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| Subject: | NACA Vent question |
Hate to bother, but I'm installing Van's Naca vents and the square flange touches
the bottom of the instrument panel bottom cross member. I don't think it's
a big deal and I assume a little trimming might be in order, but thought I'd run
it by first.
John
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Vent question |
John,
I had to trim not only the top but the leading edge of the duct flange. It hit
the veticle post.
Rick S.
40185
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Hate to bother, but I'm installing Van's Naca vents and the square flange touches
the bottom of the instrument panel bottom cross member. I don't think it's
a big deal and I assume a little trimming might be in order, but thought I'd run
it by first.
John
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| Subject: | Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale |
Hi Roger,
As Robin mentioned, the 496 is a fantastic unit. I was and still am very
happy with it.
My gripes aren't really so much gripes as things I would simply prefer to be
changed. Those things are primarily the display size and refresh rate/speed
of panning.
I haven't received the 696 yet so I don't know if the speed has been
improved. But I am certainly looking forward to more display real estate.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi Patrick,
What gripes do you have about the 496?
Roger
#40291
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From: Patrick ONeill <mailto:poneill@irealms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi Brian,
Great! That is just what I wanted to hear. I've been thinking about the
upgrade for a while and wondering whether to do it or not considering the
eventual RV-10 completion. I'm glad to hear someone else considers it a
worthwhile upgrade. It appears to resolve most of my gripes about the 496. I
can't wait to take it up and put it through its paces.
Patrick #40715
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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hello Patrick,
My wife and I did the exact same thing. We sold our 496 and got the 696.
It's really great!
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:47:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
Hi All,
I've decided to upgrade to the 696 and so I'm putting my 496 up for sale.
If anyone is looking for one, I figured I'd check with the list before
putting it up on ebay.
Unit is in excellent condition with all original accessories and box plus
one extra battery. I'm located in SoCal and anyone local is welcome to come
take a look first.
If anyone is interested feel free to make me an offer off list:
poneill@irealms.com.
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| Subject: | Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale |
The one thing I dislike about the 496 is the dimming function. On the low
end it is either a little too bright or a little too dim for night flying.
The back lite slider is not quite sensitive enough. Also, if you forget to
brighten it back up when you land at night before shutting it off, when you
turn it back on in the daylight it is so dim you can't see anything on the
screen and you have to shade it in order to see the screen and brighten it
back up for daytime use. I wish it was like the Dynon, turn it off and when
you turn it back on it will be at full bright.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Garmin's new stuff for LSAs, etc. |
Oh, oh, looks like the 6500 lb gorilla is trying to enter Dynon's market
(Fr. Jim Campbell, 1/22/09)
Garmin Introduces MFD Line For LSA, Experimentals
GDU 370 And GDU 375 Based On Recently-Intro'd GPSMap 696
Garmin will kick off this year's US Sport Aviation Expo in
Sebring, FL with the announcement of its new GDU 370 and GDU 375,
full function multi-function displays (MFDs) developed for the
light sport retrofit and experimental aircraft segments.
The non-certified GDU 370 and GDU 375 are based on Garmin's
portable GPSMAP 695 and GPSMAP 696, and are designed to be
networked with other Garmin products so that in the future the GDU
370 and GDU 375 can provide complete primary flight display (PFD)
and MFD capability.
"The beauty of the GDU 370 and GDU 375 are that they are like
building-blocks; they're expandable and can be interconnected with
other Garmin components," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president
of marketing. "Customers will be able to choose one, two or three
GDU displays -- whatever works best for their aircraft. When
customers are ready to expand upon the GDU's MFD capabilities, they
can install other Garmin components that will add PFD capabilities
to the GDU's. Since all components were designed and manufactured
by Garmin, customers have added peace of mind knowing that they
will integrate and communicate with each other."
The GDU 370 and GDU 375 are large,
seven inch, portrait displays designed to be readable day or night.
The soft keys at the bottom of the display control the most
commonly used features of the current page, such as turning the
weather display on/off. The dedicated keys on the display's right
side have specific functions such as nearest, direct to, flight
plan, zoom in/out and menu.
Also on the display's right side is a rotary knob/joystick,
similar to the G1000's joystick, that lets pilots enter airport
identifiers, pan the map, or scroll to page and sub-page groups.
Unlike the GPSMAP 695/696, the GDU 370 and GDU 375 are designed for
panel mounting, have redundant power inputs, and a front-mounted SD
card slot. The back of the GDU 370 and GDU 375 have connection
ports for external GPS and XM antennas, and a 50 pin connector for
power/ground and interfaces.
Both units are designed to interface with yet to be released
Garmin components that will transform the GDU 370 and GDU 375 MFD
into a full functioning PFD/MFD avionics panel with primary flight
display and engine data. When all components are purchased and
interconnected -- GDU 370 and/or GDU 375 display, ADAHRS and EIS,
magnetometer and temperature probe -- the system will be known as
the Garmin G3X.
The GDU 375 includes an XM WX Satellite Weather receiver that
provides next generation radar (NEXRAD), aviation routine weather
reports (METARs), terminal aerodrome forecasts (TAFs), temporary
flight restrictions (TFRs), lightning, winds aloft, turbulence
forecasts, PIREPs, icing forecast information and several other
important weather products. The weather data may be laid directly
over the unit's navigation and topographic map databases, similar
to the GPSMAP 696. The GDU 370 does not include XM WX Satellite
Weather.
The GDU 370 and GDU 375 are expected to be available in March
2009, for an expected street price of $3,295.00 and $3,995.00,
respectively. The complete G3X system - GDU 370/375 displays,
ADAHRS and EIS, magnetometer and temperature probe -- is expected
to be on display at the upcoming Lakeland 2009 show in late April,
with availability slated for the second half of 2009.
A full G3X kit is expected to be priced at around $10,000
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| Subject: | Wing Auto Pilot Servos |
I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I
recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put
the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but
in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to
mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot
install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended?
Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an
autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing.
Thoughts.
Andy Johnson
Poquoson, VA
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| Subject: | Wing Auto Pilot Servos |
maybe go to the Tru Trak web site and look at what they have. The servo is
mounted easily after closing up the wing=2C but it is the five or seven str
and wire that controls the servo that you should get in the wing before you
close it up=2C even though I was able to do mine after the fact.JOhn > Fro
m: noconwud@earthlink.net> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List:
Wing Auto Pilot Servos> Date: Thu=2C 22 Jan 2009 23:08:34 -0500> > --> RV1
0-List message posted by: "Andrew Johnson" <noconwud@earthlink.net>> > I'm
going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so=2C and I > re
cognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put > t
he bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot=2C b
ut > in order to be smart for an option down the road=2C would it be pruden
t to > mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopil
ot > install? If so=2C what kind of servo is recommended?> > Another optio
n is to go ahead and close the wing=2C and hope there's an > autopilot syst
em that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing.> > Thoughts.> > Andy J
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos |
Just leave enough conduit to run the five wire...Its easy to do especially if you
ran the wire. Honestly just order the Trutrak servo ind install it now..you
need to replace a bellcrank bracket...its. 800 dollar investment you will do
anyhow
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Sent: Jan 22, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos
I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I
recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put
the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but
in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to
mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot
install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended?
Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an
autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing.
Thoughts.
Andy Johnson
Poquoson, VA
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| Subject: | Wing Auto Pilot Servos |
The ones that I know off and like (Trio, Dynon, and TruTrak) all mount at
the wing bellcrank with a modified bellcrank mount and, while I mounted mine
as I was constructing the wing, I understand it's not a serious problem to
mount them after the wing is finished. Put the wires in there though.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos
I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I
recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put
the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but
in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to
mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot
install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended?
Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an
autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing.
Thoughts.
Andy Johnson
Poquoson, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos |
I can't imagine that 99% of the builders won't put in an autopilot,
so I'd just agree with Rick and say "go for it".
One other thing that makes that statement something to consider....
Today I filled in my info for insurance renewal quote. I'm going to
be getting the AIG discount this year for TAA's. I think that's
10% off. But, to get it, you have to have a few items in your plane,
and things like RNP Nav equip, WX Equipment, TAWS and Terrain Equip,
and "2 axis autopilot" are all things that they look at for getting
the discount. So in the long run, it may actually pay for itself
over many years to have an Autopilot...and they wouldn't put it on
the form if they didn't feel there was safety value there.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
>
> Just leave enough conduit to run the five wire...Its easy to do
> especially if you ran the wire. Honestly just order the Trutrak servo
> ind install it now..you need to replace a bellcrank bracket...its.
> 800 dollar investment you will do anyhow ------Original Message------
> From: Andrew Johnson Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Rv ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Jan 22, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: RV10-List:
> Wing Auto Pilot Servos
>
> <noconwud@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so,
> and I recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there
> before I put the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought
> to an autopilot, but in order to be smart for an option down the
> road, would it be prudent to mount a servo in the wing to set me up
> for a possible future autopilot install? If so, what kind of servo
> is recommended?
>
> Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an
> autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing.
>
> Thoughts.
>
> Andy Johnson Poquoson, VA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale |
My limited use of a 696 shows that it does not refresh any faster than
the 496. Also, when zooming in an out, it actually takes a while to
paint all the layers of information. I have not compared them side by
side, but this is what I have noticed. The HUGE plusses of the 696
that I have noticed are as follows:
- Much Bigger Screen
- Buttons much more like the Garmin Panel-Mounted units (ie. GNS-430)
- Knob and JOYSTICK! (an absolutely fantastic feature, although it
takes a little getting used to what does what, since that little knob
has so many functions)
- Zoomable Airport Diagrams and Approach Plates
- VFR, IFR Low Enroute, IFR High Enroute, Sat View, etc screen layouts
- Much Bigger Screen (I think this deserves a repeat a huge "kudos to
Garmin" for finally getting into the big glass yet affordable market.
I have to date told people that I think the Flight Cheetah by True
Flight is the best weather GPS available and it has plates too, but I
am starting to change my mind. The Cheetah does have some fantastic
features for displaying weather on the map, which are still a little
bit of a pain on the Garmin, but the plates and big screen sure do
help move the 696 towards the top of the list, if not the very top.)
- Internal Antenna or External Antenna (not the little swivel
"internal", but truly internal for taking on the road). The reception
seems surprisingly good when sitting on the lap or tunnel cover
without an external antenna.
- SD Card Slot for upgrades or something. I'm not absolutely sure it
uses a normal SD card but it appears to be. If it does and you can
upload software through that, this is a HUGE departure from the Garmin
norm.
- All of the external cords plug into the same section of the left
side of the unit. This should make it much easier to get it into the
Gizmo mount when it comes out. One minus that might go along with
this is that the GPS antenna and Audio jack will likely stick out
beyond the side of the unit, so location right up next to another
instrument may be a problem, or special right-angle cables may be
necessary. I'm sure the Gizmo guys will come up with something that
works. The Power Cord and XM Receiver plug in with right-angle
connectors already.
I do have a gripe or two, but this is fairly minor:
- Fairly Heavy compared to other units, but there is a lot going on
in that little box.
- You have to kind of search for the power button. If/when it is in
a Gizmo mount and you have to run it on battery (any button will keep
it on when power is removed to run on the battery), you will have to
remove it from the mount to turn it off.
- The XM receiver/antenna is not backwards compatible. This may not
seem like a big deal, but the subscription follows the antenna, so if
you have a 696 panel-mounted with the antenna removable and you have a
496 in some kind of mount in your J3, you can't take the antenna and
XM subscription with you. They say that a future software upgrade
will allow the 496 to use the 696's antenna, but it can't now. On the
other hand, the 696 can use the 496's antenna, so if you have both,
you can just put the subscription on the 496 receiver and you're good
to go. This is not a big deal, and it appears they plan to fix it,
but that's really kind of a pain in the neck.
- No data cable available yet. The websites show it as "coming", but
with all of the design that went into the 696, how hard would it have
been to get the little data cable pigtail ready to ship when the
product was released.
Just my $.02, so YMMV.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
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On Jan 22, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Patrick ONeill wrote:
> Hi Roger,
>
> As Robin mentioned, the 496 is a fantastic unit. I was and still am
> very happy with it.
>
> My gripes aren=92t really so much gripes as things I would simply
> prefer to be changed. Those things are primarily the display size
> and refresh rate/speed of panning.
>
> I haven=92t received the 696 yet so I don=92t know if the speed has
been
> improved. But I am certainly looking forward to more display real
> estate.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick #40715
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:05 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> What gripes do you have about the 496?
>
> Roger
> #40291
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick ONeill
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Great! That is just what I wanted to hear. I've been thinking
> about the upgrade for a while and wondering whether to do it or not
> considering the eventual RV-10 completion. I'm glad to hear someone
> else considers it a worthwhile upgrade. It appears to resolve most
> of my gripes about the 496. I can't wait to take it up and put it
> through its paces.
>
> Patrick #40715
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:00 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
>
> Hello Patrick,
> My wife and I did the exact same thing. We sold our 496 and got the
> 696. It's really great!
> Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:47:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin GPSMAP 496 For Sale
> Hi All,
>
> I've decided to upgrade to the 696 and so I'm putting my 496 up for
> sale. If anyone is looking for one, I figured I'd check with the
> list before putting it up on ebay.
>
> Unit is in excellent condition with all original accessories and box
> plus one extra battery. I'm located in SoCal and anyone local is
> welcome to come take a look first.
>
> If anyone is interested feel free to make me an offer off list:
poneill@irealms.com
> .
>
> Patrick #40715
>
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