---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/23/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Bob Leffler) 2. 05:47 AM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Jesse Saint) 3. 07:43 AM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (johngoodman) 4. 07:53 AM - AOPA online article on a few reasons why glider flying is a great tool (John Gonzalez) 5. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (David McNeill) 6. 09:18 AM - Tips and question (David McNeill) 7. 09:33 AM - Re: Tips and question (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 8. 10:02 AM - Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Ralph E. Capen) 9. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos (Ben Westfall) 10. 02:37 PM - Bleeding the brakes (McGANN, Ron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:45 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos And mount the servo bracket before the leading edge is attached to the spar. It will make your life easier. While I had the servo in hand, I didn't think of reading the installation directions since I had the bottom skins left to install. While it's not impossible to get the two mounting bolts and nuts in place with the leading edge riveted to the spar, those with short arms will have difficulties. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos Just leave enough conduit to run the five wire...Its easy to do especially if you ran the wire. Honestly just order the Trutrak servo ind install it now..you need to replace a bellcrank bracket...its. 800 dollar investment you will do anyhow ------Original Message------ From: Andrew Johnson Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Jan 22, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended? Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing. Thoughts. Andy Johnson Poquoson, VA Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:51 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos Am I missing something? All of the bolts that hold the aileron bellcrank brackets to the spar are held by nutplates which are installed along with the tiedown bracket on page 13-5. This way you can pull the lower bellcrank bracket supplied by Van's with the one that holds the A/P servo after the wing is closed up. I'm sure I am missing something obvious about what bolts and nuts you are referring to. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Jan 23, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > And mount the servo bracket before the leading edge is attached to > the spar. > It will make your life easier. > > While I had the servo in hand, I didn't think of reading the > installation > directions since I had the bottom skins left to install. While > it's not > impossible to get the two mounting bolts and nuts in place with the > leading > edge riveted to the spar, those with short arms will have > difficulties. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > ricksked@embarqmail.com > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:27 PM > To: Rv > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos > > > Just leave enough conduit to run the five wire...Its easy to do > especially > if you ran the wire. Honestly just order the Trutrak servo ind > install it > now..you need to replace a bellcrank bracket...its. 800 dollar > investment > you will do anyhow > ------Original Message------ > From: Andrew Johnson > Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > To: Rv > ReplyTo: Rv > Sent: Jan 22, 2009 8:08 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos > > > > > I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, > and I > recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before > I put > the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an > autopilot, but > > in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be > prudent to > mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot > install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended? > > Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an > autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing. > > Thoughts. > > Andy Johnson > Poquoson, VA > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:38 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos From: "johngoodman" Andy, Picking an autopilot is sort of like politics, or primer wars. Everybody has a strong opinion. There are three good brands for us out there, that I know of - Dynon, Trio, and Tru Trak. They all use a bracket mount at the aileron bell crank so you know you are going to have to put something there. Pick a brand and do it now. Here are three web pages to start on: http://www.trioavionics.com/ProPilot.htm http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/instruments.htm http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html PS: be prepared for a little sticker shock.... noconwud(at)earthlink.net wrote: > I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I > recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put > the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but > in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to > mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot > install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended? > > Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an > autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing. > > Thoughts. > > Andy Johnson > Poquoson, VA -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226358#226358 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:34 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: AOPA online article on a few reasons why glider flying is a great tool I won't even mentions the other reasons why the sport is awesome=2C but AOP A online has an important article on why getting more training than just an add on glider rating would be a valuable tool for any power pilot.Read it here:http://www.aopa.org/training/articles/2009/090122gliders.html?WT.mc_id =090123epilot&WT.mc_sect=gan John G. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:59 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos You can buy the servo and wait on the remainder. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos --> Andy, Picking an autopilot is sort of like politics, or primer wars. Everybody has a strong opinion. There are three good brands for us out there, that I know of - Dynon, Trio, and Tru Trak. They all use a bracket mount at the aileron bell crank so you know you are going to have to put something there. Pick a brand and do it now. Here are three web pages to start on: http://www.trioavionics.com/ProPilot.htm http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/instruments.htm http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html PS: be prepared for a little sticker shock.... noconwud(at)earthlink.net wrote: > I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and > I recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before > I put the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an > autopilot, but in order to be smart for an option down the road, would > it be prudent to mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible > future autopilot install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended? > > Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an > autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing. > > Thoughts. > > Andy Johnson > Poquoson, VA -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226358#226358 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:51 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: Tips and question Grizzly Tools has a couple of items that should find their way into any tool box. They are selling straight and curved forceps which allow inserting washer and small nuts into very tight places. about $3 per pair. Question: I will be doing my first annual on the 10 in March; for those who have been there what action did you take on the fuel filter. If replacing it did you flush tanks thoroughly before first use? Did you remove any tank debris via the fuel sumps prior to testing? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tips and question From: ricksked@embarqmail.com And getting that last puff from your cigarette!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: Tips and question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:13 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos I would suggest that you make sure you can work on it after it is all closed in....... I made sure that mne would go in and out the access panels before I riveted the skin on.... -----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Johnson >Sent: Jan 22, 2009 11:08 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Wing Auto Pilot Servos > > >I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I >recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put >the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but >in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to >mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot >install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended? > >Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an >autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing. > >Thoughts. > >Andy Johnson >Poquoson, VA > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:16 AM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos Just to throw another one into the mix if you are going with AFS EFIS's they are OEM'ing a TruTrak VSVG variant soon. AFS will sell you the servos today if you call. Their price is better than TruTrak retail but a bit more than buying from Van's. I don't know any specifics on the autopilot but a forum thread on AFS's site talks about custom programming to communicate with the AFS EFIS displays. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing Auto Pilot Servos Andy, Picking an autopilot is sort of like politics, or primer wars. Everybody has a strong opinion. There are three good brands for us out there, that I know of - Dynon, Trio, and Tru Trak. They all use a bracket mount at the aileron bell crank so you know you are going to have to put something there. Pick a brand and do it now. Here are three web pages to start on: http://www.trioavionics.com/ProPilot.htm http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/instruments.htm http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html PS: be prepared for a little sticker shock.... noconwud(at)earthlink.net wrote: > I'm going to be ready to close up my wings in another month or so, and I > recognize that I should have everything I ever want in there before I put > the bottom skins on. I've not really given any thought to an autopilot, but > in order to be smart for an option down the road, would it be prudent to > mount a servo in the wing to set me up for a possible future autopilot > install? If so, what kind of servo is recommended? > > Another option is to go ahead and close the wing, and hope there's an > autopilot system that doesn't require mounting servos in the wing. > > Thoughts. > > Andy Johnson > Poquoson, VA -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226358#226358 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3792 (20090123) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3794 (20090123) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Bleeding the brakes From: "McGANN, Ron" G'day all, Did some research on bleeding the brakes. Shops were closed, could not fin d a good old fashion oilcan to prime the brake lines so decided on somethin g different. Removed the reservoir cap. Inserted one end of some 1/8" id plastic tubing into the can of brake fluid and raised the can to a height greater than th e reservoir. Sucked a little fluid into the tube and connected the tube to the bleed nipple. Left the setup for a couple of hours, occasionally tapp ing the brakes to release the air bubbles. The pressure head from the rais ed can was sufficient to fill the lines and cylinders, but is pretty slow. Used a dip stick to check the reservoir was filling and went on to the oth er side before the reservoir was full. YMMV, but you can't get a simpler setup. I don't think there is any reason why you can't use the technique overnight and actually do both sides at on ce. A plastic NPT/barbed fitting used for the pitot/static system screws i nto the reservoir and it is easy to connect an overflow tube from the reser voir to an overflow tin, and let nature take its course. Just a tip - worked great for me with no added tools and zero mess. cheers Ron "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. 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