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1. 06:33 AM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Spinner cutout - accounting for prop pitch (Tim Olson)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (Tim Lewis)
4. 07:39 AM - Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (Rhonda Bewley)
6. 08:00 AM - Dimmer wars (Steve)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Steve)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Kelly McMullen)
9. 08:38 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Kelly McMullen)
10. 09:09 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (James McGrew)
11. 09:09 AM - New RV-10 BUILDER! With questions already..... (Y-it)
12. 09:46 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Steve)
13. 09:53 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (David McNeill)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: GRT and G530W (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
15. 10:22 AM - Re: Spinner cutout - accounting for prop pitch (linn Walters)
16. 10:23 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
17. 10:42 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Steve)
18. 10:42 AM - Re: Spinner cutout - accounting for prop pitch (Jim Berry)
19. 10:53 AM - ACK E04 406 ELT (David McNeill)
20. 11:15 AM - [Fw: Re: Recall: RV-List: Improvements to "Hinged" wingtip installation] (linn Walters)
21. 11:22 AM - FW: E04 (David McNeill)
22. 11:32 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
23. 12:08 PM - Re: New RV-10 BUILDER! With questions already..... (johngoodman)
24. 12:29 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (David McNeill)
25. 12:32 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
26. 12:48 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Kelly McMullen)
27. 12:52 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
28. 12:58 PM - Re: [Fw: Re: Recall: RV-List: Improvements to "Hinged" wingtip installation] (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
29. 01:04 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Steve)
30. 01:43 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (msausen)
31. 01:43 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
32. 01:43 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
33. 02:28 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (John Jessen)
34. 02:30 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
35. 03:01 PM - Re: GRT and G530W (Rob Kermanj)
36. 03:17 PM - Re: FW: E04 (linn Walters)
37. 03:17 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Robin Marks)
38. 03:41 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Steve)
39. 03:41 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (linn Walters)
40. 04:24 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
41. 05:10 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (David Hertner)
42. 05:50 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Lenny Iszak)
43. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (David McNeill)
44. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (Tim Olson)
45. 08:33 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (John Gonzalez)
46. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (David McNeill)
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| Subject: | Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) |
Lyc has to keep that revenue stream up somehow. :-D
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak)
Wow!. That setting is about the WORST place you can run your engine.
When the first cylinder peaks, it means the others are 10-40 ROP, the
absolute hottest and highest pressure place you could possibly run
your engine. Either go 80-150 ROP if at above 70% power, or go an
appropriate amount LOP using the LAST cylinder to peak, thus ensuring
ALL cylinders are safely LOP.
The Lycoming rep that attends most shows simply doesn't have a clue
about LOP operations and blames a lot of cylinder problems on LOP,
when they in fact were either not lean enough or not rich enough.
The TIO-540 used in the Mooney Bravo is one of the few engines that
won't run reliably LOP, because they use Slick mags that don't deliver
a consistent enough spark timing.
I run my IO-360 Lycoming LOP whenever it is advantageous to do so. I
have over 600 hours doing so.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I talked to my Lycoming rep for the IO540 I got fom Vans; They recommend
> only running at peak EGT of first cylinder to peak. If you run lean of peak
> by all means get it right. $2 per hour gas saving won't compensate for a
> damaged engine.
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner cutout - accounting for prop pitch |
Why the big aversion to twisting the blades? I just didn't
see this as a significantly complex problem. I don't know
that I'd trust a template if I had one unless it was guaranteed
to be perfect. But alignment of the template alone would make
me worry about getting that part right. At least with twisting
you can slowly tweak it until it's just big enough.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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AirMike wrote:
>
> Yea , Yea , I know that I am supposed to be an airplane builder, but
> this is a kit.
>
> In the interest of safety alone , you would think that Van's would
> supply a proper template to cut out the prop spinner. One poorly cut
> spinner could be catastrophic for a builder. After all there are now
> hundreds of RV10 kits with Hartzell props being built.
>
> Peter James posted this file some months ago.....link......below
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=48798&highlight=spinner
>
> It is a template for the prop spinner cutout. Big question??????
>
> Does this template provide for the rotation of the prop at different
> pitches?
>
> I hate the idea of forcing the springs/blades with external force to
> get the exact cut out dimensions.
>
> -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit -
> wiring and FWF
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227029#227029
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) |
I have not (yet). Aviation Consumer had great things to say about the
seminar in the last issue of the magazine.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction (paint prep)
Sheldon Olesen wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone taken the Advanced Pilot seminar for running lean of peak,
> either in person or on the web? Was it worth the $$s?
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV-- 10.0 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
one of you had experience with it already.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) |
We endorse the program for anyone looking to learn better engine
management techniques. The engineers at GAMI are some of the most
knowledgeable that we have ever had the opportunity to work with. All
of our engine builders have attended the seminar and learned a great
deal.
That being said, I'm sure that George and Co. are not on Lycoming or
TCM's Christmas list!
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak)
I have not (yet). Aviation Consumer had great things to say about the
seminar in the last issue of the magazine.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction (paint prep)
Sheldon Olesen wrote:
<saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
>
> Has anyone taken the Advanced Pilot seminar for running lean of peak,
> either in person or on the web? Was it worth the $$s?
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV-- 10.0 hours
>
>
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Having built numerous RV, Lancair, Murphy Moose, Glasair, and other
experimental panels, I have found the CLA-500 dimmer built by VAL Avionics
to be the most reliable. It is also nice, because it has four outputs and
if you have a 28 volt aircraft and 12 volt lighted switches, the switch
output can be adjusted to not exceed the switch voltage. I have use other
dimmer circuits, but have not found them to be as reliable.
Steve Graves
Avionics Manager
Redmond Air LLC
steveg@redmondair.com
Phone: (541)923-1355
Fax: (541)923-4181
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds to
the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price does
on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
one of you had experience with it already.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
standard RS232 interface.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>
> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds to
> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price does
> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>
> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>
> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
> one of you had experience with it already.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Tim this brochure gives the detail you want. It looks like some
dealers have very good discounts on this unit, under $600
http://www.seaerospace.com/lc/cart.php?target=productDetails&model=AK-451&substring=ak-451
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>
> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
> one of you had experience with it already.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
I have also been looking at the AK-451 and I'm waiting for a response from
the company as well. I'd like to know whether this unit will fit on the same
mounting tray and use the same remote unit/wiring as the AK-450 that I
already have. They look very similar but I'd like to know for sure.
-Jim
N312JE - Doing the second annual
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>
> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
> one of you had experience with it already.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | New RV-10 BUILDER! With questions already..... |
Hello all,
I recently purchased an unfinished QB 10 with a completed tailcone/emp. So far
quality has been great, I plan to call up vans this afternoon but wanted to run
this buy all you experienced builders.
Q1. After inspecting the rudder stop brace (F-1056) I noticed additional holes
in close proximity to the vertical stab attachment bolt holes. Is this going
to be an issue structurally? I really don't want to drill out and replace this
part because of its location, I was thinking I could put a doubler in place if
it was an issue?
http://s561.photobucket.com/albums/ss57/10_dreamer/?action=view¤t=PagesfromFullSet_1.jpg
http://s561.photobucket.com/albums/ss57/10_dreamer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0461.jpg
http://s561.photobucket.com/albums/ss57/10_dreamer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0463.jpg
Q2. The bulkhead stiffeners in the last revision sent by VANS has not been done,
so per vans I need to remove the aft top deck to install the stiffeners. It
seems this could be done with structure blind rivets rather than removing all
the top deck rivets? It seems that removing and replacing all those rivets would
cause more structure fatigue than just installing the stifffeners with the
blinds...
Has anyone consulted vans in doing this?
http://s561.photobucket.com/albums/ss57/10_dreamer/?action=view¤t=PagesfromFullSetEmpTailcone.jpg
Anyway, I look forward to the next 5 years of consultation and heartache that I'm
sure this project will give me :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227114#227114
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface it
to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
difference.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
standard RS232 interface.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>
> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds to
> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price does
> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>
> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>
> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
> one of you had experience with it already.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
You might want to consider the ACK E04. http://www.ackavionics.com/ It uses
the existing AK 450 remote wiring and will accept NEMA0183 format GPS
signals.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Tim this brochure gives the detail you want. It looks like some dealers have
very good discounts on this unit, under $600
http://www.seaerospace.com/lc/cart.php?target=productDetails&model=AK-451&su
bstring=ak-451
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have the old
> AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an ELT (I already carry
> a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>
> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model has the
> inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with INTEGRATED GPS and
> it's own antenna, but from what I understand from a little reading, I
> think the AK-451 supports external GPS for no extra cost, whereas
> other companies make you pay
> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that feature, as
> it would fit in my existing mounting.
> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe one of you
> had experience with it already.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GRT and G530W |
Thanks Rob. I'm in the process of installing and just downloaded the
latest diagram WD-1007-01. Which wires are new?
Bill Watson
Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> FYI:
>
> According to GRT, their latest update will now enable the unit to do
> the entire approach (procedure turns/holds, the whole nine yards!)
> without flipping any switches for the Trutrak auto pilot input. This
> requires two additional wires between G530w and GRT. If you are in
> the planning/building stage, this is a good time to think about it.
> They have an updated wiring diagram.
>
> Rob
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner cutout - accounting for prop pitch |
AirMike wrote:
>
> Yea , Yea , I know that I am supposed to be an airplane builder, but this is
a kit.
>
> In the interest of safety alone , you would think that Van's would supply a proper
template to cut out the prop spinner. One poorly cut spinner could be catastrophic
for a builder. After all there are now hundreds of RV10 kits with Hartzell
props being built.
>
> Peter James posted this file some months ago.....link......below
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=48798&highlight=spinner
>
> It is a template for the prop spinner cutout. Big question??????
>
> Does this template provide for the rotation of the prop at different pitches?
>
> I hate the idea of forcing the springs/blades with external force to get the
exact cut out dimensions.
>
Make an 'arm' to fit one end over the midpoint of the blade. Use it to
twist the blade. Prop shops do it all the time.
Linn
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227029#227029
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Good question... I guess I have to look at each life individually
to come up with a valuation. For instance, my older daughter
is kind of sassy. I put her at 3 million. My younger one is
still pretty sweet, so for the time being, I'll consider her
4 million. My wife, although very very nice, she's already
approaching half of her useful life...so I'll only go 2 mil on
her. Now me, I don't think I'd put myself anywhere over a million,
unless I can get in better shape. If I lost a few lbs and
maybe buffed up a bit, I might be worth more. ;)
Ok, being serious now....
Kelly, that is great pricing. It does seem to be well below the
standard. The thing is, I am having a hard time really
trusting all the websites that basically list the promo features,
but don't identify the specific models. Now, in that page's case,
http://www.seaerospace.com/lc/cart.php?target=productDetails&model=AK-451&substring=ak-451
you'll notice that the part number is AK-451-PLB (P-ELT)
So it's really a PLB, not a legal ELT, that needs to be the
"AF" Automatic Fixed type. So sure, it would be fine for
signalling, but not legal as an ELT. The pricing I'm seeing
for the real AF type seems to be in the $850 range from most
places. But, there again, there are so many higher priced models
that it's hard to see what features are truly with that model.
Here is one of my purchase options:
http://www.skygeek.com/ameri-king-ak-451-406-mhz-elt.html
I can answer at least part of Jim's question though...
Jim, there is a bracket adapter that they have available
for mounting a 451 in the 450's tray. And, I think
I've seen/heard that the remote wiring is the same.
That's what did it for me. Also, I did at one point hear
that they were going to offer upgrade pricing...in my
email to them (that they haven't answered) I asked the
question, so I hope it is true.
Oh well, maybe I should get on the phone or email daily. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Steve wrote:
>
> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds to
> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price does
> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>
> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>
> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
> one of you had experience with it already.
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
RETROFIT INSTRUCTIONS FROM AK-450 TO AK-451
Old Model No.: AK-450-(AF)(AP), ELT 121,5/243 MHz, FAA TSO C91a approved.
New Model No.: AK-451-(AF)(AP), ELT 406/121,5/243 MHz, FAA TSO C126/91a
approved.
RETROFIT INSTRUCTIONS:
1. Swap the followings items: ELT with mounting tray; Antenna with Coaxial
Cable; Remote Switch Unit with Buzzer.
Note 1: All mounting holes and cut out holes are exactly the same.
Note 2: Wiring Harness, between ELT and Remote Switch Unit, is exactly the
same i.e. Do not change the wiring harness. It is OK to use the existing
AK-450 wiring.
Note 3: Adding a new Buzzer to be mounted anywhere in the cockpit, i.e. Tie
wrap into the aircraft Wiring Harness, or Fasten onto or behind the
instrument Panel, or fasten on the Remote Switch Unit.
2. Register with NOAA (or IBRD) (or National) via on line, or mailing the
Registration Form using the provided pre-stamped envelop.
QUICK OPERATION CHECK:
Main Switch @ ON position: Same as the AK-450, except you will see the LED
lights flashing and Buzzer sound (1 second ON, 4 seconds OFF), in lieu of
steady ON. (This is to save Battery Power for the LED Lights and Buzzer).
Main Switch @ ARM position: You will see the 2 LED lights illuminate and
Buzzer sound, for 4 seconds, then extinguished.
Wait for additional 20 seconds, then Press the ON Switch on the Remote
Switch Unit, ELT swept Tone must be heard on the VHF Radio @121.5 MHz.
The 2 LED lights flashing (1 second ON, 4 seconds OFF), synchronized with
the Buzzer sound (1 second ON, 4 seconds OFF).
Press the RESET Switch on the Remote Switch Unit.
Leave the Main Switch @ ARM position at all times
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James McGrew
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
I have also been looking at the AK-451 and I'm waiting for a response from
the company as well. I'd like to know whether this unit will fit on the same
mounting tray and use the same remote unit/wiring as the AK-450 that I
already have. They look very similar but I'd like to know for sure.
-Jim
N312JE - Doing the second annual
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
one of you had experience with it already.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD -=====================
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner cutout - accounting for prop pitch |
When I first saw the template I didn't think there was any way that it provided
clearance for blade twist, so I emailed Hartzell tech support. They assured me
it would work. After cutting to the template, I did twist the blades just to
be certain. Every thing fits well.
Jim Berry
40482
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I will be receiving the tech specs and wiring diagrams for the E04 shortly.
Their box will use the remote wiring for an existing E01 or AK451. Upon
receipt I will send to the list. http://www.ackavionics.com/
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Recall: RV-List: Improvements to "Hinged" wingtip |
installation]
Forwarded to both RV and RV-10 lists!
I saw and RV recently that had screws holding ALL of the tips. It was
really done nice, but the first thought that flitted through my brain
..... how much extra weight from screws and nutplates and how much extra
time spent installing them?
I'm leaning to the carbinge for the wing tips, but the rest will be
attached with pulled rivets like the plans call for.
Linn
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=23961
Hi Linn- Here's a direct link to the section of my Expercraft website
detailing the wingtip installation. It is a single entry with
subsequent entries accessed by clicking on the "Next Entry>>" link at
the top of the page.
Oddly, I am replying to your post to the RV-list but only your address
appears in my "To" window (borrowed Mac!) so if you'd like to forward
this to the RV-list feel free to do so!
Any questionds, gimme a holler...
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: Recall: RV-List: Improvements to "Hinged" wingtip
installation
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Thanks Bret! I tried to find Marks site, but failed!
Linn
Bret Smith wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
>
> Sorry about the recalled message. I meant it for Mark. Oh well,
since
> there seems to be some interest in the hinge method, here is my
builder's
> log.
http://www.flightinnovations.com/wings4.html#Wingtip_Hinge_Install
>
> I freely admit to have blatantly stolen the hinged wingtip idea from
Mark
> (as well as a few other ideas I won't mention).
>
> Hee Hee...
>
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A N16BL
> Blue Ridge, Ga
> www.FlightInnovations.com
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FYI. I am still trying to make sense of the diagram.
_____
From: Mike Akatiff [mailto:MikeA@ackavionics.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: E04
Here it is
_____
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: E04
wiring pdf please
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Steve,
Not trying to doubt you, but...
Do you have personal experience with those units, or are you just
showing what you find on websites? That's what is so confusing
is that depending on where you look, they talk about GPS
interfaces on most all of the models. And there just isn't
good consistency in promo material.
Looking at these 2 sheets, I can't even see a difference:
http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-2.pdf
http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-6.pdf
Pricing is easily seen here:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
But again, none of the explanation in the lower half of the
page really explains that there are models that DO NOT
have GPS integration. Some sites even make it sound like
it has onboard GPS.
So I just hoped to talk to someone with personal experience,
not just from reading the web....because if someone else
ordered a AK451-2 and got burned, certainly they would
know.
As David pointed out, there is the ACK E-04 coming
out too. But, they still show on their website that
they are not taking orders until it's TSO'd.
http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
Now, in my personal situation, there is still a significant
difference between the E-04 and the AK-451, even if both
accept GPS. The E-04 says it will accept a NEMA-0183 GPS
position....where the ACK doesn't say it will. I have a
perfectly positioned (wiring wise) NMEA-0183 GPS that
would be really handy to plug in. And, if the MSRP holds
true at $599, this one would sure be the way to go.
It sounds like best case, the E-04 will be available in
late March to mid-april.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Steve wrote:
>
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>
> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface it
> to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
> difference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
> standard RS232 interface.
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>
>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds to
>> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price does
>> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>
>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
>> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
>> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>
>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
>> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
>> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
>> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
>> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
>> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
>> one of you had experience with it already.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New RV-10 BUILDER! With questions already..... |
The big hole on either side belongs there, the small one looks like an oops. Those
big holes are for bolts. I don't think I'd loose sleep over the small one.
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
After forwarding the ACK E04 diagram I called to confirm its meaning. The
external GPS hook up requires 4 wires. Power, ground, GPS in/out. The out
need only be used to verify on initial install that the E04 is receiving the
GPS data properly. It can then be discontinued. This would allow Y ing the
GPS out to the normal EFIS input and into the ELT to constanly update
position.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Steve,
Not trying to doubt you, but...
Do you have personal experience with those units, or are you just showing
what you find on websites? That's what is so confusing is that depending on
where you look, they talk about GPS interfaces on most all of the models.
And there just isn't good consistency in promo material.
Looking at these 2 sheets, I can't even see a difference:
http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-2.pdf
http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-6.pdf
Pricing is easily seen here:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
But again, none of the explanation in the lower half of the page really
explains that there are models that DO NOT have GPS integration. Some sites
even make it sound like it has onboard GPS.
So I just hoped to talk to someone with personal experience, not just from
reading the web....because if someone else ordered a AK451-2 and got burned,
certainly they would know.
As David pointed out, there is the ACK E-04 coming out too. But, they still
show on their website that they are not taking orders until it's TSO'd.
http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
Now, in my personal situation, there is still a significant difference
between the E-04 and the AK-451, even if both accept GPS. The E-04 says it
will accept a NEMA-0183 GPS position....where the ACK doesn't say it will.
I have a perfectly positioned (wiring wise) NMEA-0183 GPS that would be
really handy to plug in. And, if the MSRP holds true at $599, this one
would sure be the way to go.
It sounds like best case, the E-04 will be available in late March to
mid-april.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Steve wrote:
>
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface ELT SET
> 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>
> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can
> interface it to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a
> considerable price difference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
> standard RS232 interface.
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>
>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which
>> adds to the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense.
>> What price does on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>
>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have the old
>> AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an ELT (I already
>> carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>
>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model has the
>> inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with INTEGRATED GPS
>> and it's own antenna, but from what I understand from a little
>> reading, I think the AK-451 supports external GPS for no extra cost,
>> whereas other companies make you pay
>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that feature, as
>> it would fit in my existing mounting.
>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe one of you
>> had experience with it already.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
I talked with Keith at AmeriKing and what Steve says is correct. The cheaper
unit cannot be interfaced with any GPS. The more expensive one does not have
an onboard GPS and must be hooked up to an external GPS. Given the Ameriking
prices I would wait for the ACK E04 that is cheaper than either AmeriKing unit
and accepts GPS data.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface it
to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
difference.
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
You are probably correct. From their brochure, if what you say is true,
I would call it deceptive advertising. I would interpret the w/GPS to
actually have a built-in GPS, as opposed to just an interface. BWTFDIK.
Sure would be nice if the literature were clearer on the available options.
Steve wrote:
>
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>
> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface it
> to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
> difference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
> standard RS232 interface.
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>
>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds to
>> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price does
>> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>
>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
>> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
>> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>
>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
>> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
>> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
>> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
>> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
>> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
>> one of you had experience with it already.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Kelly,
There are lots of different versions which doesn't help the confusion. The model
that is found for around $500 is probably the PLB model which only comes
with a whip and doesn't even contain a "G" switch.
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Tim this brochure gives the detail you want. It looks like some dealers have very
good discounts on this unit, under $600
http://www.seaerospace.com/lc/cart.php?target=productDetails&model=AK-451&substring=ak-451
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Recall: RV-List: Improvements to "Hinged" wingtip |
installation]
Mark has a lot of cool little ideas. I've stole, er, ah, leveraged a few of
his ideas including my hat shelf and baggage compartment lockers. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: [Fwd: Re: Recall: RV-List: Improvements to "Hinged" wingtip
installation]
Forwarded to both RV and RV-10 lists!
I saw and RV recently that had screws holding ALL of the tips. It was
really done nice, but the first thought that flitted through my brain
..... how much extra weight from screws and nutplates and how much extra
time spent installing them?
I'm leaning to the carbinge for the wing tips, but the rest will be
attached with pulled rivets like the plans call for.
Linn
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=23961
Hi Linn- Here's a direct link to the section of my Expercraft website
detailing the wingtip installation. It is a single entry with
subsequent entries accessed by clicking on the "Next Entry>>" link at
the top of the page.
Oddly, I am replying to your post to the RV-list but only your address
appears in my "To" window (borrowed Mac!) so if you'd like to forward
this to the RV-list feel free to do so!
Any questionds, gimme a holler...
Mark
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Is 36 years as an avionics technician enough experience?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Steve,
Not trying to doubt you, but...
Do you have personal experience with those units, or are you just
showing what you find on websites? That's what is so confusing
is that depending on where you look, they talk about GPS
interfaces on most all of the models. And there just isn't
good consistency in promo material.
Looking at these 2 sheets, I can't even see a difference:
http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-2.pdf
http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-6.pdf
Pricing is easily seen here:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
But again, none of the explanation in the lower half of the
page really explains that there are models that DO NOT
have GPS integration. Some sites even make it sound like
it has onboard GPS.
So I just hoped to talk to someone with personal experience,
not just from reading the web....because if someone else
ordered a AK451-2 and got burned, certainly they would
know.
As David pointed out, there is the ACK E-04 coming
out too. But, they still show on their website that
they are not taking orders until it's TSO'd.
http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
Now, in my personal situation, there is still a significant
difference between the E-04 and the AK-451, even if both
accept GPS. The E-04 says it will accept a NEMA-0183 GPS
position....where the ACK doesn't say it will. I have a
perfectly positioned (wiring wise) NMEA-0183 GPS that
would be really handy to plug in. And, if the MSRP holds
true at $599, this one would sure be the way to go.
It sounds like best case, the E-04 will be available in
late March to mid-april.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Steve wrote:
>
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>
> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface it
> to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
> difference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
> standard RS232 interface.
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>
>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds
to
>> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price
does
>> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>
>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
>> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
>> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>
>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
>> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
>> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
>> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
>> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
>> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
>> one of you had experience with it already.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Kelly wrote:
>
>
> You are probably correct. From their brochure, if what you say is true,
> I would call it deceptive advertising. I would interpret the w/GPS to
> actually have a built-in GPS, as opposed to just an interface. BWTFDIK.
> Sure would be nice if the literature were clearer on the available options.
>
> --
Steve wrote:
>
>
> Is 36 years as an avionics technician enough experience?
>
> --
I agree and had the exact same thought as you Kelly. Even had an email T'd up
to that effect when I slapped myself and remembered this old thing sitting in
front of me with a bunch of numbered buttons on it. I punched a few of them
and was talking (loosley defined as I wouldn't call what I was hearing english)
to their tech guy. Either way he was very clear on the differences between
the units and that only the expensive one could take GPS data.
And Steve, I certainly wasn't disregarding what you were saying but I also wasn't
sure if you were quoting direct experience or the brochure as it really could
have been interpreted either way. As the old saying goes, trust but verify.
Michael
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227193#227193
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Thanks for reporting. I got basically that info just a bit
ago offline as well. That turns their stuff from being
a fairly decent offering to being out of this world in
pricing. Given the ability to use my wiring with an
ACK E-04, and the flexibility of NEMA-0183 GPS, AND the
pricing being $599, I think that's my plan as well.
I plan to do some international flying in the near future,
and while it's not required for this trip, and I probably
won't have it for the trip, I see no reason to just leave
a plain old 121.5Mhz system as my only ELT. I have a PLB
that should work fine, and that has GPS in it too. Given
the combo, searchers should be able to find both the
plane, AND a moving group of hikers (or floating group of
swimmers) if we take the PLB portable. Assuming, of
course, that I crash. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> I talked with Keith at AmeriKing and what Steve says is correct. The
> cheaper unit cannot be interfaced with any GPS. The more expensive
> one does not have an onboard GPS and must be hooked up to an external
> GPS. Given the Ameriking prices I would wait for the ACK E04 that is
> cheaper than either AmeriKing unit and accepts GPS data.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:36 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface ELT SET
> 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>
> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can
> interface it to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a
> considerable price difference.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
That's very cool that they have an In and an Out. Right now
I have a GPS signal split that goes to my APRS, also, so in the
case of the ELT, I'll probably change the APRS so that the ELT
gets the GPS signal and then outputs it to the APRS. It should
be almost nothing to change my wiring to support that plan.
Thanks for the update David.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
David McNeill wrote:
>
> After forwarding the ACK E04 diagram I called to confirm its meaning. The
> external GPS hook up requires 4 wires. Power, ground, GPS in/out. The out
> need only be used to verify on initial install that the E04 is receiving the
> GPS data properly. It can then be discontinued. This would allow Y ing the
> GPS out to the normal EFIS input and into the ELT to constanly update
> position.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Steve,
> Not trying to doubt you, but...
> Do you have personal experience with those units, or are you just showing
> what you find on websites? That's what is so confusing is that depending on
> where you look, they talk about GPS interfaces on most all of the models.
> And there just isn't good consistency in promo material.
>
> Looking at these 2 sheets, I can't even see a difference:
> http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-2.pdf
> http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-6.pdf
>
> Pricing is easily seen here:
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
> But again, none of the explanation in the lower half of the page really
> explains that there are models that DO NOT have GPS integration. Some sites
> even make it sound like it has onboard GPS.
>
> So I just hoped to talk to someone with personal experience, not just from
> reading the web....because if someone else ordered a AK451-2 and got burned,
> certainly they would know.
>
> As David pointed out, there is the ACK E-04 coming out too. But, they still
> show on their website that they are not taking orders until it's TSO'd.
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
>
> Now, in my personal situation, there is still a significant difference
> between the E-04 and the AK-451, even if both accept GPS. The E-04 says it
> will accept a NEMA-0183 GPS position....where the ACK doesn't say it will.
> I have a perfectly positioned (wiring wise) NMEA-0183 GPS that would be
> really handy to plug in. And, if the MSRP holds true at $599, this one
> would sure be the way to go.
>
> It sounds like best case, the E-04 will be available in late March to
> mid-april.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface ELT SET
>> 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>>
>> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can
>> interface it to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a
>> considerable price difference.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
>> McMullen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
>> standard RS232 interface.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which
>>> adds to the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense.
>>> What price does on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>>
>>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>>
>>>
>>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have the old
>>> AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an ELT (I already
>>> carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>>
>>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model has the
>>> inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with INTEGRATED GPS
>>> and it's own antenna, but from what I understand from a little
>>> reading, I think the AK-451 supports external GPS for no extra cost,
>>> whereas other companies make you pay
>>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that feature, as
>>> it would fit in my existing mounting.
>>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe one of you
>>> had experience with it already.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
When is the 406 required in Canada? I thought it might already be, and I
thought that a PLB was not enough for them.
John Jessen
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
....I plan to do some international flying in the near future...I have a PLB
that should work fine...
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
No, that's great. I wasn't doubting you...it's just there
is so much fuzzy info I wanted to know if you saw it firsthand....
not just that you saw it on the web. Sounds like you must
have firsthand experience with them.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Steve wrote:
>
> Is 36 years as an avionics technician enough experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:22 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Steve,
> Not trying to doubt you, but...
> Do you have personal experience with those units, or are you just
> showing what you find on websites? That's what is so confusing
> is that depending on where you look, they talk about GPS
> interfaces on most all of the models. And there just isn't
> good consistency in promo material.
>
> Looking at these 2 sheets, I can't even see a difference:
> http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-2.pdf
> http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-6.pdf
>
> Pricing is easily seen here:
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
> But again, none of the explanation in the lower half of the
> page really explains that there are models that DO NOT
> have GPS integration. Some sites even make it sound like
> it has onboard GPS.
>
> So I just hoped to talk to someone with personal experience,
> not just from reading the web....because if someone else
> ordered a AK451-2 and got burned, certainly they would
> know.
>
> As David pointed out, there is the ACK E-04 coming
> out too. But, they still show on their website that
> they are not taking orders until it's TSO'd.
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
>
> Now, in my personal situation, there is still a significant
> difference between the E-04 and the AK-451, even if both
> accept GPS. The E-04 says it will accept a NEMA-0183 GPS
> position....where the ACK doesn't say it will. I have a
> perfectly positioned (wiring wise) NMEA-0183 GPS that
> would be really handy to plug in. And, if the MSRP holds
> true at $599, this one would sure be the way to go.
>
> It sounds like best case, the E-04 will be available in
> late March to mid-april.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
>> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>>
>> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface it
>> to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
>> difference.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
>> standard RS232 interface.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds
> to
>>> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price
> does
>>> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>>
>>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>>
>>>
>>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
>>> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
>>> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>>
>>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
>>> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
>>> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
>>> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
>>> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
>>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
>>> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
>>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
>>> one of you had experience with it already.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GRT and G530W |
I am away from my records until the end of the week. There used to be
two wires going to G530. There are four wires now. They all relate
to ARINC stuff. I am guessing 4from memory, 8-49 going to 3 &4 on the
GRT.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> Thanks Rob. I'm in the process of installing and just downloaded the latest
> diagram WD-1007-01. Which wires are new?
>
> Bill Watson
>
> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>>
>> FYI:
>>
>> According to GRT, their latest update will now enable the unit to do the
>> entire approach (procedure turns/holds, the whole nine yards!) without
>> flipping any switches for the Trutrak auto pilot input. This requires two
>> additional wires between G530w and GRT. If you are in the planning/building
>> stage, this is a good time to think about it. They have an updated wiring
>> diagram.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Rob Kermanj
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Ask me a specific question .... maybe I can help. I don't see anything
out of the ordinary .... but then I know what I'm looking at!
Linn
David McNeill wrote:
> FYI. I am still trying to make sense of the diagram.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Mike Akatiff [mailto:MikeA@ackavionics.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:56 AM
> *To:* 'David McNeill'
> *Subject:* RE: E04
>
> Here it is
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:39 AM
> *To:* mikea@ackavionics.com
> *Subject:* E04
>
>
>
> wiring pdf please
>
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Tim,
You have another option in case you go down. Searchers can just
go online to see your latest web postings of your trip with updated
crash photos and PIREPs on equipment performance for off field landings.
I further expect by the time the rescue team located the site you will
have the whole Swill Family Robinson tree house thing going on with
Andria preparing lunch for the kids while they ride the stationary bike
you built to power the Satellite TV on your converted Chelton MFD.
Robin
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
I understand, I was sort of confused by the change to the 406 units as well.
I had to do some research to see what the features were in order to answer
customer questions. I really wish that the GPS could be interfaced to all
the units. It would increase safety and make the search and rescue job a
lot easier. When you need the unit, it would be best to have as accurate
location as possible. One nice feature of the new installs is the buzzer
that makes it easier to find an ELT going off in a hanger full of aircraft.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
No, that's great. I wasn't doubting you...it's just there
is so much fuzzy info I wanted to know if you saw it firsthand....
not just that you saw it on the web. Sounds like you must
have firsthand experience with them.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Steve wrote:
>
> Is 36 years as an avionics technician enough experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:22 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> Steve,
> Not trying to doubt you, but...
> Do you have personal experience with those units, or are you just
> showing what you find on websites? That's what is so confusing
> is that depending on where you look, they talk about GPS
> interfaces on most all of the models. And there just isn't
> good consistency in promo material.
>
> Looking at these 2 sheets, I can't even see a difference:
> http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-2.pdf
> http://www.edmoap.com.au/modules/products/xarimages/PDF/AK-451-6.pdf
>
> Pricing is easily seen here:
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ELT/Ameriking.html
> But again, none of the explanation in the lower half of the
> page really explains that there are models that DO NOT
> have GPS integration. Some sites even make it sound like
> it has onboard GPS.
>
> So I just hoped to talk to someone with personal experience,
> not just from reading the web....because if someone else
> ordered a AK451-2 and got burned, certainly they would
> know.
>
> As David pointed out, there is the ACK E-04 coming
> out too. But, they still show on their website that
> they are not taking orders until it's TSO'd.
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
>
> Now, in my personal situation, there is still a significant
> difference between the E-04 and the AK-451, even if both
> accept GPS. The E-04 says it will accept a NEMA-0183 GPS
> position....where the ACK doesn't say it will. I have a
> perfectly positioned (wiring wise) NMEA-0183 GPS that
> would be really handy to plug in. And, if the MSRP holds
> true at $599, this one would sure be the way to go.
>
> It sounds like best case, the E-04 will be available in
> late March to mid-april.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT (AK-451-2) has no GPS interface
>> ELT SET 406 WHIP & PORT ANT w/GPS (AK-451-6) has GPS interface
>>
>> If you order the basic lower priced AK-451-2 thinking you can interface
it
>> to the GPS, you will be very disappointed. There is a considerable price
>> difference.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:32 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>
>>
>> Not what the brochure shows, that I just sent the list. Looks like
>> standard RS232 interface.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Steve <steveg@redmondair.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like you have to order the ELT with the GPS option, which adds
> to
>>> the cost; even though I think it is a worthwhile expense. What price
> does
>>> on place on their life or the closure for loved ones?
>>>
>>> Steve Graves - Avionics Tech
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:34 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>>>
>>>
>>> Have any of you builders installed the AK-451 yet? I have
>>> the old AK-450 right now, and want to go to 406Mhz for an
>>> ELT (I already carry a 406 PLB with GPS integration).
>>>
>>> I just want to verify that the standard AK-451 ELT model
>>> has the inputs to accept GPS from an external aviation GPS.
>>> I know they sell some much more expensive ones with
>>> INTEGRATED GPS and it's own antenna, but from what I understand
>>> from a little reading, I think the AK-451 supports external
>>> GPS for no extra cost, whereas other companies make you pay
>>> more for the ability to accept an external GPS. I would
>>> buy and install it right away if I knew it supported that
>>> feature, as it would fit in my existing mounting.
>>> I emailed the company but got nothing back. Thought maybe
>>> one of you had experience with it already.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> That's very cool that they have an In and an Out. Right now
> I have a GPS signal split that goes to my APRS, also, so in the
> case of the ELT, I'll probably change the APRS so that the ELT
> gets the GPS signal and then outputs it to the APRS. It should
> be almost nothing to change my wiring to support that plan.
> Thanks for the update David.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Tim, I'd just hook all the items needing GPS input directly to the GPS.
Going through the ELT may (or may not depending on just how it's wired)
cause a problem if the ELT fails, and you'd never know it.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Now THAT's the biggest laugh I've had for a while!!
Good one Robin!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Tim,
> You have another option in case you go down. Searchers can just
> go online to see your latest web postings of your trip with updated
> crash photos and PIREPs on equipment performance for off field landings.
> I further expect by the time the rescue team located the site you will
> have the whole Swill Family Robinson tree house thing going on with
> Andria preparing lunch for the kids while they ride the stationary bike
> you built to power the Satellite TV on your converted Chelton MFD.
>
> Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
John,
Canada will cease monitoring satellite monitoring of 121.5 mhz as of
Feb. 1, 2009 and the Canadian fleet along with any international
visitors will have to convert their aircraft over to 406 mhz ELTs over a
2 year transition period.
Our Canadian Owners and Pilots Association (COPA) fought to enlighten
Transport Canada on the problems with the current ELTs. They compiled
data from the last 2 years showing that approx. 70 percent of accidents
had the ELT malfunction.
This fell on deaf ears and unlike you guys down south we do not have an
option to stay with the old system and take our chances with SPOT or PLB
augmentation. We (and all those 60,000 visitors) will have to have an
expensive GPS attached 406 installed or else.
From what I have gathered from the COPA publications it is the Canadian
Department of Defense that is pushing this as they are in charge of
CANSARSAT and the rescue efforts. They some how have it in their heads
that with the installation of new equipment the failure rate will go
down from 70% to something around 25%. there is a goal to be striving for!!!
Any how, there is the skinny on what is happening to us Canucks and how
it is going to spill over the border to touch a bunch of our American
friends who like to come up to visit.
Dave Hertner
John Jessen wrote:
>
> When is the 406 required in Canada? I thought it might already be, and I
> thought that a PLB was not enough for them.
>
> John Jessen
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
>
> ....I plan to do some international flying in the near future...I have a PLB
> that should work fine...
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--
Dave Hertner
President
Effectus AeroProducts Inc.
Kit Aircraft Component Manufacturing
Machining - Fabrication - Laser/Water-Jet Cutting
Blog: http://www.kitaircraftmods.com
Email: davehertner@effectus-aeroproducts.com
Phone: (519) 933-2055
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Assuming before going down you will shut down your electrical system, how is your
GPS going to keep supplying data to the ELT?
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Just means that you can't kill the master switch until just before
touchdown. Wherever you shut off electrical is where SAR starts.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
--> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Assuming before going down you will shut down your electrical system, how is
your GPS going to keep supplying data to the ELT?
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Actually, if you kept your head, it might be worth activating the
ELT using the panel mount switch if you knew it was going to end
up bad. Like, if I were going down over the ocean, I'd hope to
hit the button while still flying my way to the water.
I don't know the technical details, but they must have some way
of capturing the GPS signal as long as it's coming in, even with
the ELT not active. I'm not sure if the ELT then reports
"last known position", or what...but it would seem that the
companies that built the things must have taken into account
that when you crash, the wiring to the unit might get trashed.
At least I'd hope so.
I may just have to call and ask about that one.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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David McNeill wrote:
>
> Just means that you can't kill the master switch until just before
> touchdown. Wherever you shut off electrical is where SAR starts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:43 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
> --> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
> Assuming before going down you will shut down your electrical system, how is
> your GPS going to keep supplying data to the ELT?
>
> Lenny
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
AWESOME Imagination!!! Where does he find the time?> Subject: RE: RV10-List
: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT> Date: Tue=2C 27 Jan 2009 18:05:28 -0500> From: rob
in1@mrmoisture.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-List message po
sted by: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>> > Tim=2C> You have another
option in case you go down. Searchers can just> go online to see your late
st web postings of your trip with updated> crash photos and PIREPs on equip
ment performance for off field landings.> I further expect by the time the
rescue team located the site you will> have the whole Swill Family Robinson
tree house thing going on with> Andria preparing lunch for the kids while
they ride the stationary bike> you built to power the Satellite TV on your
=======> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Based on the way its wired the 406 E04 continuously gets updates and stores
the latest GPS data. That's the reason for the power to the ELT from ship's
power. Once the crash occurs, activation by G switch or activation from
panel switch, the batteries of the ELT begin transmitting GPS id and
location. Sometimes it is on multiple frequencies.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
Actually, if you kept your head, it might be worth activating the ELT using
the panel mount switch if you knew it was going to end up bad. Like, if I
were going down over the ocean, I'd hope to hit the button while still
flying my way to the water.
I don't know the technical details, but they must have some way of capturing
the GPS signal as long as it's coming in, even with the ELT not active. I'm
not sure if the ELT then reports "last known position", or what...but it
would seem that the companies that built the things must have taken into
account that when you crash, the wiring to the unit might get trashed.
At least I'd hope so.
I may just have to call and ask about that one.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Just means that you can't kill the master switch until just before
> touchdown. Wherever you shut off electrical is where SAR starts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:43 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT
>
> --> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
> Assuming before going down you will shut down your electrical system,
> how is your GPS going to keep supplying data to the ELT?
>
> Lenny
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