RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 01/29/09


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     1. 04:48 AM - Re: Door strut (Wayne Edgerton)
     2. 05:03 AM - Re: Door strut (Wayne Edgerton)
     3. 07:06 AM - Glad to be hangered! (jim@CombsFive.Com)
     4. 08:41 AM - Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed (Perry, Phil)
     5. 10:23 AM - Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (jayb)
     6. 11:24 AM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (linn Walters)
     7. 11:41 AM - MT propeller and cowling work (John Gonzalez)
     8. 11:41 AM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     9. 12:52 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA)
    10. 12:52 PM - heads up (David McNeill)
    11. 12:53 PM - Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed (Perry, Phil)
    12. 01:29 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (Tim Olson)
    13. 01:39 PM - Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Steven Roberts)
    14. 01:41 PM - Re: MT propeller and cowling work (Dave Lammers)
    15. 02:13 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (McGANN, Ron)
    16. 04:22 PM - Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Jim Berry)
    17. 04:33 PM - Re: Door strut (David Maib)
    18. 04:34 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (Ben Westfall)
    19. 05:08 PM - Re: 'do not tow' (dmaib@mac.com)
    20. 05:31 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (SteinAir, Inc.)
    21. 05:54 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (John Hilger)
    22. 06:51 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Bob Kaufmann)
    23. 08:02 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (Robin Marks)
    24. 08:37 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Kelly McMullen)
    25. 11:12 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:48:37 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
    Subject: Re: Door strut
    Hi Tim, I'm at almost 240 hours now so hopefully it will stay tight a little longer. Wayne edgerton N602WT do not archive Time: 09:50:18 AM PST US From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Subject: Re: Door strut Glad it worked out for you Wayne. I will tell you that the nosewheel tension will probably be something that you'll have to do about 3-4 times within the first 250 hours, and then after that it will start to become more stable. I'm sure it's just those parts wearing in together a little. I'd check it maybe at 50, 100, 175, 250 or so, and then annually after that. I too have noticed that the nosewheel can affect rudder trim. It moves some when you use the rudder hard. If you kick one pedal good and then look at the ball, and then kick the other pedal good and then look at the ball, you will see it sometimes keeps the ball one way or the other slightly. I try to tap them back and forth a couple times lighter and get it to be as centered as possible, and then trim out the rest with rudder trim. I attribute the stickyness to the 20+ lbs of breakout force required to get the nosewheel to move to make it swing. The propwash circle of moving air pushing against the tail of the nose fairing may also be part of why most builders see a little bit of out-of-trim rudder even if they build it straight. A minor annoyance, in any case. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive


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    Time: 05:03:53 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
    Subject: Re: Door strut
    Bob, Ron told me the number but I forgot what it was. I do remember it was about 25% stronger than the Van's strut. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive


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    Time: 07:06:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Glad to be hangered!
    From: jim@CombsFive.Com
    We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger! All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged! Jim Combs N312F - Flying Do Not Archive


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    Time: 08:41:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
    Hi Everyone, I've had a couple of people ask how I repaired the boo-boo on the aft deck. Last night I finally got around to repairing it and thought I'd share with the group. Maybe you'll have an opportunity to do something similar during your build. :) It sounds like a lot of work and definitely is not the simplest fix, but I have absolutely no concerns about the long term integrity of the repair. I can't claim credit for solution. David McNeill put me in touch with an A&P IA who sketched out the design and sent it to me Thanks David! Phil This is the original damage... You can see the longeron below and it's fine, but the aft deck skin was pretty messed up. The damage extended beyond an AD5 rivet and it's possible that an AN3 bolt probably wouldn't have fully removed it. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3528 .jpg I was only 7 rivets into installing the aft deck when my screw up happened, so I went ahead and removed the entire deck. It made working on the pieces make easier. Once it was off the airplane, I removed the damaged area with a uni-bit and deburred the hole. It required a 5/16" hole to remove the damaged area. Next up was to create a 5/16" plug for the hole. The plug was made from .040 scrap and matches the same .040 thickness of the deck. My buddy is an A&P and he stopped by take part in the process. He did a great job of building a round plug that fits the hole perfectly! The first photo shows the plug and the sitting beside the hole. The second photo shows the plug sitting inside the hole. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3531 .jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3532 .jpg Next up was to re-create the rivet hole. We did this with a 90 degree drill and came up through the bottom of the longeron. To keep the plug from spinning, we taped it down with duct tape and applied pressure with a wooden block from the top. It worked pretty well. We were able to get 80% of the way through the plug before the tape gave and the plug started to spin. However the hole was started deep enough that we could finish drilling it out on the workbench. Looks pretty good! http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3534 .jpg Finally, we created a doubler out of .040 scrap (same thickness/strength as the deck skin). The doubler has 5 rivets. Obviously it's centered on the plug and we picked up the adjacent longeron rivets. Then we attached the doubler to the deck skin inboard of the longerons. We thought about adding two additional rivets by splitting the distance between the plug and the adjacent longeron rivets, but after looking at it closer we opted out of that decision. There isn't much clearance for rivet pitch (spacing) by splitting those holes. Sure we could have done it and it would have been fine by the book, but we would have been sitting a minimums. When we weighed that reality with the reality weakening the longeron by drilling additional holes - we decided it was better to leave well enough alone. On the inboard deck rivets, we chose to split them between the plug and the adjacent longeron rivets. This was by design to share the shear load between the plug rivet and it's adjacent longeron rivets. Here is the finished product. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3535 .jpg


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    Time: 10:23:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    I ran across these the other day. The mesh screen covers would be a bit more attractive than some other alternatives I've seen discussed in the past. http://www.directron.com/smf80.html Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227521#227521


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    Time: 11:24:46 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    Those are neat looking. My solution is to get window screen (used to be able to get aluminum, but now all I find is fiberglass) and spray a wet coat of paint on it to match and protect the screen from UV. Linn jayb wrote: > > I ran across these the other day. The mesh screen covers would be a bit more attractive than some other alternatives I've seen discussed in the past. > > http://www.directron.com/smf80.html > > Regards, > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227521#227521 > > >


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    Time: 11:41:09 AM PST US
    From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: MT propeller and cowling work
    I have been told to not use the propeller and the spinner to do my cowl fii tting as it will most likely damage the finish of the spinner. Can anyone direct me to a source for how to make a plywood template and dir ection on how it comes together. I was told that this document exists=2C bu t I don't know it's source. Thanks=2C JOhn G. 409


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    Time: 11:41:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Regardless of which direction you go, it turns out that the location where the fans are (at least in my install) aren't really that visible in the first place. Now, if you had chrome grills or something like that where they stood out it would certainly make a difference. I've got the grill area painted flat black and the covering I used on the glare shield is also flat black, fake leather. Unless you're looking for the fans, you really don't notice that they're there. Here's what I'm using for the glareshield cover and edging: http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15 I've also heard that Abby also now makes glare shield covers and will put custom cutouts in for defrost fans. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens I ran across these the other day. The mesh screen covers would be a bit more attractive than some other alternatives I've seen discussed in the past. http://www.directron.com/smf80.html Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227521#227521


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    Time: 12:52:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA" <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
    Lynn - Check your local Ace Hardware. The one here in Navarre, FL keeps a roll of brass screen on the shelf. Not cheap, but it doesn't take much and it won't rust... Neal ============= Those are neat looking. My solution is to get window screen (used to be able to get aluminum, but now all I find is fiberglass) and spray a wet coat of paint on it to match and protect the screen from UV. Linn


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    Time: 12:52:46 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: heads up
    When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..


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    Time: 12:53:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
    Hi Everyone, I've had a couple of people ask how I repaired the boo-boo on the aft deck. Last night I finally got around to repairing it and thought I'd share with the group. Maybe you'll have an opportunity to do something similar during your build. :) It sounds like a lot of work and definitely is not the simplest fix, but I have absolutely no concerns about the long term integrity of the repair. I can't claim credit for solution. David McNeill put me in touch with an A&P IA who sketched out the design and sent it to me Thanks David! Phil This is the original damage... You can see the longeron below and it's fine, but the aft deck skin was pretty messed up. The damage extended beyond an AD5 rivet and it's possible that an AN3 bolt probably wouldn't have fully removed it. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3528 .jpg I was only 7 rivets into installing the aft deck when my screw up happened, so I went ahead and removed the entire deck. It made working on the pieces make easier. Once it was off the airplane, I removed the damaged area with a uni-bit and deburred the hole. It required a 5/16" hole to remove the damaged area. Next up was to create a 5/16" plug for the hole. The plug was made from .040 scrap and matches the same .040 thickness of the deck. My buddy is an A&P and he stopped by take part in the process. He did a great job of building a round plug that fits the hole perfectly! The first photo shows the plug and the sitting beside the hole. The second photo shows the plug sitting inside the hole. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3531 .jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3532 .jpg Next up was to re-create the rivet hole. We did this with a 90 degree drill and came up through the bottom of the longeron. To keep the plug from spinning, we taped it down with duct tape and applied pressure with a wooden block from the top. It worked pretty well. We were able to get 80% of the way through the plug before the tape gave and the plug started to spin. However the hole was started deep enough that we could finish drilling it out on the workbench. Looks pretty good! http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3534 .jpg Finally, we created a doubler out of .040 scrap (same thickness/strength as the deck skin). The doubler has 5 rivets. Obviously it's centered on the plug and we picked up the adjacent longeron rivets. Then we attached the doubler to the deck skin inboard of the longerons. We thought about adding two additional rivets by splitting the distance between the plug and the adjacent longeron rivets, but after looking at it closer we opted out of that decision. There isn't much clearance for rivet pitch (spacing) by splitting those holes. Sure we could have done it and it would have been fine by the book, but we would have been sitting a minimums. When we weighed that reality with the reality weakening the longeron by drilling additional holes - we decided it was better to leave well enough alone. On the inboard deck rivets, we chose to split them between the plug and the adjacent longeron rivets. This was by design to share the shear load between the plug rivet and it's adjacent longeron rivets. Here is the finished product. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3535 .jpg


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    Time: 01:29:47 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    For the little bit of money, that's not bad. They'd look, good. I didn't find screens like that at the time, so I did what Linn talks about and cut aluminum screen and painted it black. I did find that it was important to paint everything black up there. Even the sticker from the fan, and any screws. The reflections otherwise were as annoying as heck. Also, it's definitely good to add screens EVEN IF you have a wire grill, like I have. On mine, the wire grill protects the screen and fan, but if you don't have screen, you risk not only dropping something into the fan, but dropping something into your space behind the panel. No sense loosing screws and items in there, esp. if they can short something out. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive jayb wrote: > > I ran across these the other day. The mesh screen covers would be a > bit more attractive than some other alternatives I've seen discussed > in the past. > > http://www.directron.com/smf80.html > > Regards, Jay > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227521#227521 > >


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    Time: 01:39:51 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Roberts" <swrpilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
    One consideration prior to replacing your old ELT or installing a 406 MHz unit in your new aircraft: FAR 91.207 (d) (4) requires annual inspection for the presence of sufficient signal radiated from the ELT antenna. This is not a big deal for the old 121.5 ELT's and only requires an aviation receiver. It is a big deal for the 406 MHz units as the test devices are almost $3K. Not every shop has one and the DIYers in the experimental arena probably don't have one yet. Might be a good purchase for the local EAA chapter. Also, in most cases the unit will have to be removed from the aircraft for testing, and enclosed in a Faraday shield to prevent a false data burst. The aircraft antenna would then be tested separately. I have heard the FCC aggressively prosecutes violators, and after registration they will know who you are and where you live. The double and triple ELT units that transmit on 121.5 MHZ, 406 MHz and 243 MHZ (military) frequencies simultaneously will satisfy the ELT requirement as you can still DIY test the 121.5 MHz signal. The 406 MHz burst theoretically occurs 50 seconds after the unit is triggered, so hopefully you could get the unit deactivated before that occurs. How this will be addressed in the future is unknown, and is one of the reasons the 121.5 MHz units are still permitted. Until the dust settles on this issue, I am keeping my old ELT for the FAR requirement, and purchased the ACR ResqFix PLB with on-board GPS. Thanks Tim for recommending this unit, $520 at Puget Sound Inflatables. Steve Roberts (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build location) N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN


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    Time: 01:41:11 PM PST US
    From: Dave Lammers <davelammers@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: MT propeller and cowling work
    John, I found it on the Van's web site. (Hunt around a bit) Applicable to all models. Easy to make and quite useful. Regards, Dave Lammers forever finishing John Gonzalez wrote: > I have been told to not use the propeller and the spinner to do my > cowl fiitting as it will most likely damage the finish of the spinner. > > Can anyone direct me to a source for how to make a plywood template > and direction on how it comes together. I was told that this document > exists, but I don't know it's source. > > Thanks, > > JOhn G. 409 > >


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    Time: 02:13:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Glad to be hangered!
    From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
    Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you are trying to do a first engine start???? cheers, Ron -187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!! ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger! All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged! Jim Combs N312F - Flying Do Not Archive "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer."


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    Time: 04:22:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 406 MHZ ELT
    From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry@qwest.net>
    Steve, I recently discovered an easy way to do the signal radiation test. Several weeks ago I installed my Artex ME406 elt. About 9 PM that night I answered a knock on the door and was greeted by a very pleasant man from the Civil Air Patrol, holding his direction finder. I had inadvertently triggered my elt during installation and he had picked up the signal 10 miles away, ground to ground. This method is probably not FAA approved, but it is effective. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227590#227590


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    Time: 04:33:05 PM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Door strut
    I checked mine at the end of the 40 hour phase one and it was very loose. I will check again in another 25 hours or so. David Maib 40559 flying On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Glad it worked out for you Wayne. I will tell you that the > nosewheel tension will probably be something that you'll have > to do about 3-4 times within the first 250 hours, and then > after that it will start to become more stable. I'm sure > it's just those parts wearing in together a little. > I'd check it maybe at 50, 100, 175, 250 or so, and then > annually after that. I too have noticed that the nosewheel > can affect rudder trim. It moves some when you use the rudder > hard. If you kick one pedal good and then look at the > ball, and then kick the other pedal good and then look at > the ball, you will see it sometimes keeps the ball one way or > the other slightly. I try to tap them back and forth a couple > times lighter and get it to be as centered as possible, and > then trim out the rest with rudder trim. I attribute the > stickyness to the 20+ lbs of breakout force required to > get the nosewheel to move to make it swing. The > propwash circle of moving air pushing against the tail > of the nose fairing may also be part of why most builders > see a little bit of out-of-trim rudder even if they build > it straight. A minor annoyance, in any case. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Wayne Edgerton wrote: >> I have been having troubles, over time, with the door struts >> supplied by Van's becoming loose and allowing the door to fall and >> possible hit me or a passenger in the head, if we're not careful. >> I've talked to several people about this and they're having the >> same problem. >> A friend of mine who's on the same field as me, Ron Grover who >> also has a 10, ordered some stronger struts and that seems to have >> solved his problem. I just ordered a pair for me this morning and >> thought I would pass along the source for these in case any of you >> are having the same problem. Both Ron and I have full interiors >> with the doors being finished with arm rests, so that makes them a >> little heavier than others I'm sure. >> I ordered the struts from JWF Technologies, 6820 Fairfield >> Business Drive, Fairfield, OH 45014. Phone 513-769-9611. >> www.JWFtechnologies.com. >> The struts are Stabilus, Lift-O-Mat part number 2218LP and cost >> was $78 each. They didnt have them in stock, they come from >> Germany, and they said it would take 4 to 6 weeks to get them in. >> On another note, I had to fly from North Texas up to northern Iowa >> this past weekend for a funeral, burr cold, and ran into a problem >> that I thought I would pass along. On my way up I kept noticing >> that my slip ball was constantly out to the left so I had to keep >> applying left rudder. I usually don't have an issue with rudder so >> I was attributing some of it to strong cross winds. Sounded good. >> Anyway in leaving Iowa on Saturday, trying to get out ahead of a >> snow storm coming in, I pulled the plane out of the heated hangar >> space I rented into a minus 30 degrees wind-chill weather. Man >> after being in Texas for awhile I think I've turned into a Texas >> weenie, man that was cold. One positive of the cold was thick air >> and the plane was really liking to climb. I noticed again that I >> needed left rudder to keep the ball centered. We ended up with >> head winds and had to fly the last 100 miles in the dark. About 60 >> out from my home base I started to hear and feeling a fairly >> noticeable fluttering noise/feel. As you can imagine my wife, who >> isn't real thrilled with flying in the dark to begin with, thought >> the engine was coming off, well maybe not quit but close. I was >> obviously concerned because any time something flutters I think of >> control surfaces, but everything felt fine there and the engine >> parameters were all fine. >> So I just continued on home without making any quick movements and >> landed. The next morning I headed out to try and determine what >> was causing that problem. To make the story shorter I completely >> checked all surfaces and engine area and then, after talking to an >> A&P friend of mine, lifted up the plane and checked the tightness >> of the front wheel. I found that the wheel was fairly loose and >> could be pushed from side to side without much effort. Apparently >> over time the tension had loosened. The nut for the fork was in >> place but apparently over time in had just gotten more play. I >> tightened up the nut, took it out for a test flight and the >> vibration was gone and the ball was centered without help from the >> rudder. >> I have to assume that when I took off, the wheel pant cantered to >> one side thus caused the need for additional rudder and for some >> reason when I started to feel the flutter it had gone way to one >> side with the wind hitting it sideways causing the fluttering noise. >> Just thought I would pass this along in case any of you experience >> this same thing. I actually checked this wheel in June during my >> conditional before flying to Alaska and it was ok then. Maybe all >> those landings up there in the north country loosened it up. Wayne >> Edgerton N602WT >> * >> * > >


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    Time: 04:34:28 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
    Subject: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    Jay I ordered these quite a while ago. I've installed them in the forward fuse but am not yet flying. All I can say as to their effectiveness is they fit nice and look good. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens I ran across these the other day. The mesh screen covers would be a bit more attractive than some other alternatives I've seen discussed in the past. http://www.directron.com/smf80.html Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227521#227521 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3811 (20090129) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3811 (20090129) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.


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    Time: 05:08:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 'do not tow'
    From: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
    Here is a sad towing story. Mary and I were bringing our airplane home from the paint shop. The maiden voyage! We stopped in Wichita to visit family and show off the airplane. I arranged to have it put into the hangar overnight and told the line manager I wanted to be there when they moved it. He was a sharp guy and came over and let me show him what the towing issues are. He said he was going to the other end of the airport to get another airplane and would move it when he got back. Elderly in-laws showed up and I got involved with them. Long story short, one of the other line guy's decided to hook up and move the airplane by himself. The results are attached. To make matters worse, he acted like he had not noticed the damage when he unhooked the airplane and went on his merry way! He is no longer employed, and my wheel pant is on it's way back to the paint shop and will be repaired and repainted on the FBO's nickle. [Crying or Very sad] -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227598#227598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0916_777.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0914_314.jpg


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    Time: 05:31:49 PM PST US
    From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: Glad to be hangered!
    I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday, although today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy 9 degrees F. Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin! Cheers, Stein do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you are trying to do a first engine start???? cheers, Ron -187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger! All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged! Jim Combs N312F - Flying Do Not Archive "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer."


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    Time: 05:54:36 PM PST US
    From: "John Hilger" <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
    Subject: Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    Bob And Abby's glare shield covers with fan cutouts include the screens! John H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens > <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> > > Regardless of which direction you go, it turns out that the location > where the fans are (at least in my install) aren't really that visible > in the first place. Now, if you had chrome grills or something like > that where they stood out it would certainly make a difference. I've > got the grill area painted flat black and the covering I used on the > glare shield is also flat black, fake leather. Unless you're looking > for the fans, you really don't notice that they're there. > > Here's what I'm using for the glareshield cover and edging: > http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15 > I've also heard that Abby also now makes glare shield covers and will > put custom cutouts in for defrost fans. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:01 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens > > > I ran across these the other day. The mesh screen covers would be a bit > more attractive than some other alternatives I've seen discussed in the > past. > > http://www.directron.com/smf80.html > > Regards, > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227521#227521 > > >


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    Time: 06:51:59 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
    Subject: Glad to be hangered!
    Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh well maybe it will be better tomorrow. You could always move here Stein. Bob K Lovely Las Vegas Do not archive. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc. Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday, although today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy 9 degrees F. Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin! Cheers, Stein do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you are trying to do a first engine start???? cheers, Ron -187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!! _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger! All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged! Jim Combs N312F - Flying Do Not Archive "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 08:02:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    I purchased an Abby glare shield cover and think it's average looking at best. The detail around the hand grip made the shield last about 5 minutes on my dash before removing for Plan B. Robin Do Not Archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hilger Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com> Bob And Abby's glare shield covers with fan cutouts include the screens! John H


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    Time: 08:37:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Glad to be hangered!
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    It is tough duty, but had to do it.......34 at the hangar this morning, warming to a beastly 72 this afternoon. Too old for these huge temperature swings. ;-) On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bob Kaufmann <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> wrote: > Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh well maybe it > will be better tomorrow. You could always move here Stein. > > > Bob K > > Lovely Las Vegas > > Do not archive. > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc. > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! > > > I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday, although > today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy 9 degrees F. > Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin! > > > Cheers, > > Stein > > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! > > Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and on the > apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you are trying > to do a first engine start???? > > > cheers, > > Ron > > -187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!! > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com > Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! > > We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the > airport and was really glad I was in a hanger! > > All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged! > > Jim Combs > N312F - Flying > > Do Not Archive > > "Warning: > > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > > your computer." > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 11:12:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Glad to be hangered!
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    Stein understands if the staff is out playing golf, panels aren't getting built. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Robin VFR Anyone? Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh well maybe it will be better tomorrow. You could always move here Stein. Bob K Lovely Las Vegas Do not archive. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc. Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday, although today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy 9 degrees F. Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin! Cheers, Stein do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you are trying to do a first engine start???? cheers, Ron -187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!! ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered! We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger! All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged! Jim Combs N312F - Flying Do Not Archive "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s .com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution




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