Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:08 AM - Re: MT propeller and cowling work (Larry Rosen)
2. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Patrick Thyssen)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: 'do not tow' (gary)
4. 07:42 AM - FW: Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed (Perry, Phil)
5. 08:52 AM - Re: heads up (Bill DeRouchey)
6. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Bill DeRouchey)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Steven Roberts)
8. 10:36 AM - Dules Fuel Pump (Lee Otto)
9. 11:58 AM - Re: heads up (Perry, Phil)
10. 01:27 PM - Re: heads up (Scott Schmidt)
11. 02:57 PM - Re: heads up (Tim Olson)
12. 02:58 PM - Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Patrick Thyssen)
14. 04:44 PM - Re: heads up (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
15. 05:12 PM - Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (Jim Berry)
16. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Kelly McMullen)
17. 05:12 PM - Re: Dules Fuel Pump (Kelly McMullen)
18. 05:19 PM - Re: heads up (Kelly McMullen)
19. 05:19 PM - Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (tsts4)
20. 05:20 PM - Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (Rene Felker)
21. 06:39 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (John Hilger)
22. 06:46 PM - Re: heads up (David McNeill)
23. 07:23 PM - Re: heads up (Jesse Saint)
24. 07:33 PM - Re: Mistake on the aft deck (Perry, Phil)
25. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (Jesse Saint)
26. 08:39 PM - Van's tach (partner14)
27. 08:46 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Dave Leikam)
28. 09:05 PM - Re: heads up (Dave Leikam)
29. 10:08 PM - Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (westexflyboy)
30. 11:24 PM - Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens (Robin Marks)
31. 11:42 PM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Patrick Thyssen)
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller and cowling work |
I did some "hunting around" and found it on the Van's construction FAQ page.
About half way down, titled Simulating the Propeller for fitting the Cowl
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/confaq.htm>
Larry Rosen
Dave Lammers wrote:
> John,
> I found it on the Van's web site. (Hunt around a bit) Applicable to
> all models.
> Easy to make and quite useful.
> Regards,
> Dave Lammers
> forever finishing
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>> I have been told to not use the propeller and the spinner to do my
>> cowl fiitting as it will most likely damage the finish of the spinner.
>>
>> Can anyone direct me to a source for how to make a plywood template
>> and direction on how it comes together. I was told that this document
>> exists, but I don't know it's source.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JOhn G. 409
>> *
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>>
>> *
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Steve,
You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. using
a VHF radio.
Patrick Thyssen
One day I to will fly.
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Steven Roberts <swrpilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Steven Roberts <swrpilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
One consideration prior to replacing your old ELT or
installing a 406 MHz unit in your new aircraft:
-
FAR 91.207 (d) (4)
requires annual inspection for the presence of sufficient signal radiated f
rom
the ELT antenna. -This is not a big deal for the old 121.5 ELT=A2s and
only requires an aviation receiver.- It is a big deal for the 406 MHz
units as the test devices are almost $3K. -Not every shop has one and the
DIYers in the experimental arena probably don=A2t have one yet. -Might
be a good purchase for the local EAA chapter.- Also, in most cases the
unit will have to be removed from the aircraft for testing, and enclosed in
a
Faraday shield to prevent a false data burst.- The aircraft antenna would
then be tested separately. -I have heard the FCC aggressively prosecutes
violators, and after registration they will know who you are and where you
live.
-
The double and triple
ELT units that transmit on 121.5 MHZ, 406 MHz and 243 MHZ (military)
frequencies simultaneously will satisfy the ELT requirement as you can stil
l DIY
test the 121.5 MHz signal. The 406 MHz burst theoretically occurs 50 second
s
after the unit is triggered, so hopefully you could get the unit deactivate
d
before that occurs.
-
How this will be
addressed in the future is unknown, and is one of the reasons the 121.5 MHz
units are still permitted.- Until the dust settles on this issue, I am
keeping my old ELT for the FAR requirement, and purchased the ACR ResqFix P
LB
with on-board GPS.- Thanks Tim for recommending this unit, $520 at Puget
Sound Inflatables.
-
Steve Roberts
(still lurking while
waiting for a suitable build location)
-
N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E =A1Ms.
Obsession=A2 KMOR Morristown ,
TN
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| Subject: | Re: 'do not tow' |
My wheel pant too, was broken in half by an energetic line boy. As one who
has suffered the same "low IQ and high authority" in a line boy, I think
that this is one of those areas where we 10 owners just cannot allow others
to handle our aircraft. Even after complete instructions they do not
understand that the 10 is not a 20,000 lb corporate aircraft. It is painful
to come out and see your brand new aircraft looking like that. My FBO bent
over backwards to make it right, but no matter what they do, it cannot be
made right. My heart goes out to you David.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 'do not tow'
Here is a sad towing story. Mary and I were bringing our airplane home from
the paint shop. The maiden voyage! We stopped in Wichita to visit family and
show off the airplane. I arranged to have it put into the hangar overnight
and told the line manager I wanted to be there when they moved it. He was a
sharp guy and came over and let me show him what the towing issues are. He
said he was going to the other end of the airport to get another airplane
and would move it when he got back. Elderly in-laws showed up and I got
involved with them. Long story short, one of the other line guy's decided to
hook up and move the airplane by himself. The results are attached. To make
matters worse, he acted like he had not noticed the damage when he unhooked
the airplane and went on his merry way! He is no longer employed, and my
wheel pant is on it's way back to the paint shop and will be repaired and
repainted on the FBO's nickle. [Crying or Very sad]
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | FW: Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed |
I tried to send this yesterday with embedded photo's but apparently the
e-mail was too large with the attachments.
So I'm resending with links to the appropriate photos.
Thanks!
Phil
________________________________
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed
Hi Everyone,
I've had a couple of people ask how I repaired the boo-boo on the aft
deck.
Last night I finally got around to repairing it and thought I'd share
with the group. Maybe you'll have an opportunity to do something
similar during your build. :)
It sounds like a lot of work and definitely is not the simplest fix, but
I have absolutely no concerns about the long term integrity of the
repair.
I can't claim credit for solution. David McNeill put me in touch with
an A&P IA who sketched out the design and sent it to me Thanks David!
Phil
This is the original damage... You can see the longeron below and it's
fine, but the aft deck skin was pretty messed up. The damage extended
beyond an AD5 rivet and it's possible that an AN3 bolt probably wouldn't
have fully removed it.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3528
.jpg
============
I was only 7 rivets into installing the aft deck when my screw up
happened, so I went ahead and removed the entire deck. It made working
on the pieces make easier.
Once it was off the airplane, I removed the damaged area with a uni-bit
and deburred the hole. It required a 5/16" hole to remove the damaged
area.
Next up was to create a 5/16" plug for the hole. The plug was made from
.040 scrap and matches the same .040 thickness of the deck. My buddy is
an A&P and he stopped by take part in the process. He did a great job
of building a round plug that fits the hole perfectly!
The first photo shows the plug and the sitting beside the hole. The
second photo shows the plug sitting inside the hole.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3531
.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3532
.jpg
============
Next up was to re-create the rivet hole. We did this with a 90 degree
drill and came up through the bottom of the longeron. To keep the plug
from spinning, we taped it down with duct tape and applied pressure with
a wooden block from the top. It worked pretty well. We were able to
get 80% of the way through the plug before the tape gave and the plug
started to spin. However the hole was started deep enough that we could
finish drilling it out on the workbench. Looks pretty good!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3534
.jpg
============
Finally, we created a doubler out of .040 scrap (same thickness/strength
as the deck skin). The doubler has 5 rivets. Obviously it's centered
on the plug and we picked up the adjacent longeron rivets. Then we
attached the doubler to the deck skin inboard of the longerons.
We thought about adding two additional rivets by splitting the distance
between the plug and the adjacent longeron rivets, but after looking at
it closer we opted out of that decision. There isn't much clearance for
rivet pitch (spacing) by splitting those holes. Sure we could have done
it and it would have been fine by the book, but we would have been
sitting a minimums. When we weighed that reality with the reality
weakening the longeron by drilling additional holes - we decided it was
better to leave well enough alone.
On the inboard deck rivets, we chose to split them between the plug and
the adjacent longeron rivets. This was by design to share the shear
load between the plug rivet and it's adjacent longeron rivets.
Here is the finished product.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r51/philperry9/RV-10%20Build/DSC_3535
.jpg
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This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: heads up
When carrying four adults, be aware that one front-seater should remain s
eated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, t
he right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount
while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear a
nd struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited t
o the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have no
t added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have
eliminated this incident..
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I-not so brilliantly-tested mine to the COSPAS satellite and hence test
ed the process from beginning to end.
-
My remote activation switch was located on a removable section of the Stein
panel linking to a harness through a large AMP connector. Somehow when I r
emoved the panel it set off my ME406. The buzzer that came with the unit ha
s a high pitch that only a dog can detect. After an unknown amount of time
I sensed something was amiss and started frantically removing the screws in
the tail fairing. Note that my aircraft was inside a metal hanger with the
big doors opened not more than one foot.
-
About halfway through the 30 (or so) screws securing the tail fairing my ce
ll phone rang. It was a Sergeant from the Air Force in Florida. I told him
the story and all was well. Then I asked what was the overall response time
and the process he follows. From onset it was 13 minutes and he had alread
y called my Dad and Sara. We said goodbye. I removed another 10 screws and
the cell phone rang again. This time it was a lady from Search and Rescue i
n Alaska. I went through the story again except she wanted the long alphanu
meric string to verify it was really me. Fortunately, I had my aircraft dia
ry nearby with the ME406 documented. She said goodbye and warned me that th
e Coast Guard would call next.
-
I relocated the remote switch to a fixed point to the left of my lower leg.
Actually, all the emergency switches are located in a row at the same loca
tion to keep the panel uncluttered: ELT, alt air, oil winter flap, alt stat
ic air. AND - I pasted and sealed an extra ELT Beacon sticker to the side o
f my registration placard so I could say the long alphanumeric code without
opening up the tail fairing.
-
Guys, these new 406Mhz units work exceptionally well and there is a good pr
ocess behind the alert. The 121.5Mhz units were seldom more than a comfort
while you died and never a bargain at $200 (or so). Note that the 121.5 pro
cess had a mandatory 8 hour wait for additional verification to filter out
false signals. So, if you calculate a blood drip rate at ....
-
One item of concern with carrying a PLB as your 406Mhz device. As I remembe
r the COSPAS packet or Beacon ID indicates-if the alert source is a Perso
nal LB, Aviation LB, or Marine LB. The rescue process could be very differe
nt if a PLB alert is sent for an aircraft in distress.
-
I sent an email to the ME406 Product Manager in early 2006 telling him to p
rovide a pin for serial GPS data that we could optionally provide else the
AmeriKings and Acks would chew his tail. He never answered. Well, we will s
ee how the ME406 competes in the future.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
-
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
From: Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 406 MHZ ELT
<jimberry@qwest.net>
Steve,
I recently discovered an easy way to do the signal radiation test. Several
weeks ago I installed my Artex ME406 elt. About 9 PM that night I answered
a
knock on the door and was greeted by a very pleasant man from the Civil Air
Patrol, holding his direction finder. I had inadvertently triggered my elt
during installation and he had picked up the signal 10 miles away, ground t
o
ground.
This method is probably not FAA approved, but it is effective.
Jim Berry
40482
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Patrick,
The old method won't work on the 406 MHz ELT's. That was the point I was
trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency range of
VHF airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, the
new ELTs are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs are a continuous
wave analog tone, while the new ELT's are a short burst of digital data,
very close to the way cellphone and wifi transmitters work. The short pulse
allows a high power (five watt) signal from a very small battery. You need
a special receiver to receive the signal and a digital processor to decode
the data. That's what you get for 3 AMU's.
(AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars. Also equivalent to
one AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) :-)
Steve Roberts
(still lurking while waiting for a suitable build location)
N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
Steve,
You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. using a
VHF radio.
Patrick Thyssen
One day I to will fly.
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Anyone have a line on a good used 12 V Dukes Fuel Pump for my IO-540? I've
been watching eBay for a while but they only show a new one and one damaged.
Best,
Lee Otto, RV-10 (installing fuel lines in fuselage)
ci Embroidery
lotto@ciembroidery.com
(559) 651-8022
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Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.
We need a kickstand. :)
________________________________
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: heads up
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should
remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this
morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the
rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft
tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the
damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be
replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall
avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..
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This has happened to many of us early on and was posted multiple times but it is
good to repeat from time to time as it is sometimes difficult to read all the
posts.
My standard for loading is one person in back, one in front, then the second in
back and finally the pilot.
The issue arises when you have two in back and two people step up at the same time.
That is like having two guys in the baggage compartment and two in the back
seats.
I also de-plane the same way. Also keep your tie-down in at all times. I have
had it tip one other time but it just hit the tie down ring like previously mentioned.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:32:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: heads up
When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain seated
while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, the right
seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount while the rear
passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom
rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder
fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional
firewall avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..
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It's actually really old news, going back all the way to the beginning
of customer built RV-10's flying. There are at least maybe 8 or 10
that I know of that cracked their rudder fairings by doing this.
Just don't put two people on the steps at the same time, or don't
load the plane and put two passengers in the rear seats and then
go bounding on to the steps and you should be ok. But it does
take some remembering to be careful.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.
>
> We need a kickstand. :)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: heads up
>
> This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill /<dlm46007@cox.net>/* wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: heads up
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
>
> When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should
> remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing
> this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and
> stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain
> seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder
> fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder
> fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the
> additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have
> eliminated this incident..
>
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| Subject: | Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
Whoever may have used this, where does it go and do you have the instructio
ns that you can share. I don't think they are up on Tim's site.
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Steve,
-I was not talking about the 406elt. You made a statement about the 121.5
elt that was not exactly correct. And those who still have 121.5 need to k
now the correct- way to check their elts.
-Pat Thyssen
I will fly one day.
--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Steven Roberts <swrpilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Steven Roberts <swrpilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
Patrick,
-
The old method won=A2t work on the 406
MHz ELT=A2s. -That was the point I was trying to make.- For one thing,
406 MHz is outside the frequency range of VHF airband receivers. -Secondl
y,
the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, the new ELTs are frequency modulated.
-Lastly,
the old ELTs are a continuous wave analog tone, while the new ELT=A2s are a
short burst of digital data, very close to the way cellphone and wifi
transmitters work. -The short pulse allows a high power (five watt) signa
l
from a very small battery.- You need a special receiver to receive the
signal and a digital processor to decode the data. -That=A2s what you
get for 3 AMU=A2s.
-
(AMU is the American Monetary Unit or
$1,000 US dollars. -Also equivalent to one AJU, the American Jewelry Unit
)
J
Steve Roberts
(still lurking while
waiting for a suitable build location)
N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E
=A1Ms. Obsession=A2 KMOR Morristown ,
TN
-
-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009
9:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406
MHZ ELT
-
Steve,
You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. using
a VHF radio.
Patrick Thyssen
One day I to will fly.
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If you leave the tail tiedown loop in does it stop the fairing from hitting?
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
It's actually really old news, going back all the way to the beginning
of customer built RV-10's flying. There are at least maybe 8 or 10
that I know of that cracked their rudder fairings by doing this.
Just don't put two people on the steps at the same time, or don't
load the plane and put two passengers in the rear seats and then
go bounding on to the steps and you should be ok. But it does
take some remembering to be careful.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.
>
> We need a kickstand. :)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: heads up
>
> This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill /<dlm46007@cox.net>/* wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: heads up
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
>
> When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should
> remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing
> this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and
> stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain
> seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder
> fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder
> fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the
> additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have
> eliminated this incident..
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
Michael,
Mine is mounted 8" behind the baggage bulkhead on the left. Rivets to the upper
and middle J channel with 8 pull rivets. I don't have the instruction sheet anymore,
but it is stone simple. It will not fit on the right, but it would be
easy to make a mirror image if you wanted one for elt and one for strobe pack.
Jim Berry
40482
Finishing the finishing
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Yes, the old method WILL work on all ELTs. Point is there is NO
regulatory requirement to test the ELT on anything but 121.5. All units
still broadcast 121.5, as it is a requirement of the TSO. In fact 91.207
does not specify a frequency, so you are free to test its broadcast as
you see fit(within the 5 min after hour).
KM
A&P/IA
Steven Roberts wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> The old method wont work on the 406 MHz ELTs. That was the point I
> was trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency
> range of VHF airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude
> modulated, the new ELTs are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs
> are a continuous wave analog tone, while the new ELTs are a short
> burst of digital data, very close to the way cellphone and wifi
> transmitters work. The short pulse allows a high power (five watt)
> signal from a very small battery. You need a special receiver to
> receive the signal and a digital processor to decode the data. Thats
> what you get for 3 AMUs.
>
> (AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars. Also
> equivalent to one AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) J
>
> Steve Roberts
>
> (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build location)
>
> N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E Ms. Obsession KMOR Morristown, TN
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
> Thyssen
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
>
> Steve,
>
> You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. using a
VHF radio.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> One day I to will fly.
>
>
>
> **
> * *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Dules Fuel Pump |
You probably can get one overhauled for much less than a new one. Many
Mooney models use them for the IO-360 and I think TIO-540 engines. You
could try www.lasar.com as one Mooney service center.
Lee Otto wrote:
> Anyone have a line on a good used 12 V Dukes Fuel Pump for my IO-540?
> I've been watching eBay for a while but they only show a new one and
> one damaged.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Lee Otto, RV-10 (installing fuel lines in fuselage)
>
> ci Embroidery
>
> lotto@ciembroidery.com
>
> (559) 651-8022
>
>
> *
>
>
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Well, some transport aircraft have retractable tail skids, more to
prevent a hit from over-rotation. Wouldn't be surprised if a DC8-62
needed something, given how long it is.
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.
>
> We need a kickstand. :)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: heads up
>
> This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill /<dlm46007@cox.net>/* wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: heads up
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
>
> When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should
> remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the
> wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and
> stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain
> seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom
> rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom
> rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not
> added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably
> would have eliminated this incident..
>
> *
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
I have the instructions but no way to post them electronically. I can either type
them out here (there's 5 steps) or if you post or PM me a fax number I can
send them that way.
It gets installed between the F-1047C-L and F-1047D-L J-stiffeners, and between
the F-1006 and f-1007 Frames, but closer to the F-1006. You slide it fore and
aft to get a good fit. The outside face of the bracket's top flange goes against
the bottom side of the 1047C stiffener, while the inside face of the bracket's
bottom flange goes against the bottom side of the 1047D stiffener. The
instructions have a drawing that makes this arrangement perfectly clear.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
I don't have the instructions on me, but I placed mine on the left side of
the fuselage, about a foot behind the baggage compartment bulk head.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket
Whoever may have used this, where does it go and do you have the
instructions that you can share. I don't think they are up on Tim's site.
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens |
Robin
I purchased my glare shield cover from Abby at Flight Line Interiors.
The first iteration required some rework which produced an excelent product.
My experience is if there something that is not right, just tell her, and
she will make it right.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
>
> I purchased an Abby glare shield cover and think it's average looking at
> best. The detail around the hand grip made the shield last about 5
> minutes on my dash before removing for Plan B.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hilger
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
>
> <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
>
> Bob
>
> And Abby's glare shield covers with fan cutouts include the screens!
>
> John H
>
>
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we used to fly a 747 combi DHA-AMS-IAH. Always at the AMS refueling, the
announcement was made to remain seated until the tail stand was installed
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: heads up
Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.
We need a kickstand. :)
_____
From: Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: heads up
When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain
seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning,
the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount
while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and
struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to
the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not
added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have
eliminated this incident..
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This can also happen when loaded at the aft CG and burning off a lot
of your fuel, then taxiing across uneven ground (ie. parking fields at
Oshkosh). Note that even a tie-down ring won't save your rudder
bottom fairing when on grass. When loading near gross, we always load
baggage, then load copilot seat, then rear seats, then pilot last.
I've never seen it hit the tail with someone in the front seat. We
also make it a rule not to ever use both steps at the same time as
already mentioned.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> This has happened to many of us early on and was posted multiple
> times but it is good to repeat from time to time as it is sometimes
> difficult to read all the posts.
> My standard for loading is one person in back, one in front, then
> the second in back and finally the pilot.
> The issue arises when you have two in back and two people step up at
> the same time. That is like having two guys in the baggage
> compartment and two in the back seats.
> I also de-plane the same way. Also keep your tie-down in at all
> times. I have had it tip one other time but it just hit the tie
> down ring like previously mentioned.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:32:03 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
>
> This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: heads up
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
>
> When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should
> remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing
> this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and
> stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain
> seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder
> fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder
> fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the
> additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have
> eliminated this incident..
>
>
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| Subject: | Mistake on the aft deck |
I've been trying to send this fix out for a week and it's been
unsuccessful. Apparently there is a problem with the e-mail, so I just
posted it on VAF.
Here's the link.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=39140
Phil
________________________________
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Mistake on the aft deck
Hi Everyone,
I'm going to be sending this to Vans too..
Tonight I was riveting the aft deck to the longerons of the tailcone.
In the process, I screwed up a rivet and tried drilling it out. At that
point, Murphy slapped me on the back for a second time and I managed to
drill adjacent to the original hole.
The good news is that I just barely touched the surface of the longeron,
so it's just fine. The damage has been limited to the aft deck only.
In the photo's below, you can see the longeron on the bottom and you can
see that I've polished out the error to try and reduce the possibility
of cracking later.
I've got a couple of options.
1) I can drill for a 5/32 rivet, but that won't completely remove
the mistake.
2) I thought about drilling and replacing with an AN3 bolt - That
might remove it.
3) I thought about drilling the hole to be perfectly round (in the
aft deck only) and then placing rivets on either side of the hole. In
this case, the screw up would be similar to a lightening hole.
4) Just drop a rivet in and keep going.
5) Start over again with an entirely new aft deck. (Obviously last
resort if I can't find a reasonable repair)
In the process of the mistake, I've been trying to figure out what the
real purpose of the aft deck is.... (???) I'm guessing it is designed
to keep the longerons from pull apart or pressing together in the aft
end of the aircraft.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
You can fax them to me and I'll post the pdf that I get from my fax
service.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:58 PM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> I have the instructions but no way to post them electronically. I
> can either type them out here (there's 5 steps) or if you post or PM
> me a fax number I can send them that way.
>
> It gets installed between the F-1047C-L and F-1047D-L J-stiffeners,
> and between the F-1006 and f-1007 Frames, but closer to the F-1006.
> You slide it fore and aft to get a good fit. The outside face of
> the bracket's top flange goes against the bottom side of the 1047C
> stiffener, while the inside face of the bracket's bottom flange goes
> against the bottom side of the 1047D stiffener. The instructions
> have a drawing that makes this arrangement perfectly clear.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227784#227784
>
>
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I have dual lightspeed ignition, and now understand that it will not communicate
with the Van's tach. So I ordered the tranducer. But upon receipt I then realized
that with the backup SD20 Alternator mounted on the rear of the engine,
there's no room to get the transducer to fit.
Has ANYONE found a solution to this? Is there another way to provide the Van's
tach with the required input.
Thanks guys, Don McDonald
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40636
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| Subject: | Re: Glad to be hangered! |
Yeah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Stein understands if the staff is out playing golf, panels aren't
getting built.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
Robin
VFR Anyone?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh well
maybe it will be better tomorrow. You could always move here Stein.
Bob K
Lovely Las Vegas
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
Inc.
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday,
although today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy
9 degrees F. Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin!
Cheers,
Stein
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and
on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you
are trying to do a first engine start????
cheers,
Ron
-187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!!
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Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got
out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger!
All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged!
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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After having read about this before, I will probably mount a small piece
of spring steel in the shape of a "U" at the tie down point using the
tie down ring to hold it in place. Haven't decided where to get the
spring steel yet, but that's my thought.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schmidt
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
This has happened to many of us early on and was posted multiple times
but it is good to repeat from time to time as it is sometimes difficult
to read all the posts.
My standard for loading is one person in back, one in front, then the
second in back and finally the pilot.
The issue arises when you have two in back and two people step up at
the same time. That is like having two guys in the baggage compartment
and two in the back seats.
I also de-plane the same way. Also keep your tie-down in at all
times. I have had it tip one other time but it just hit the tie down
ring like previously mentioned.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:32:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: heads up
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater
should remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the
wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and
stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated.
The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing.
Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which
will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall
avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
Jim Berry wrote:
> It will not fit on the right, but it would be easy to make a mirror image if
you wanted one for elt and one for strobe pack
Vans sells this same part in mirror image for the right. Search the onlike catalog
for F-10112-R
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Chase Snodgrass, CFI
Presidio, Texas
www.flybigbend.com
40820/40821
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227830#227830
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| Subject: | Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens |
Good tip, I may do that when back from paint.
Robin
Do Not Archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hilger
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
<ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
Robin
I purchased my glare shield cover from Abby at Flight Line Interiors.
The first iteration required some rework which produced an excelent
product.
My experience is if there something that is not right, just tell her,
and
she will make it right.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
>
> I purchased an Abby glare shield cover and think it's average looking
at
> best. The detail around the hand grip made the shield last about 5
> minutes on my dash before removing for Plan B.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hilger
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fan steel mesh filter screens
>
> <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
>
> Bob
>
> And Abby's glare shield covers with fan cutouts include the screens!
>
> John H
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Ok,- heres a Hint..
VHF, AM radio. -- Read AC43.13.chapter 12-
Ask your Faa inspector. I did not read or ask one day on a part135 inspecti
on.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
Yes, the old method WILL work on all ELTs. Point is there is NO regulatory
requirement to test the ELT on anything but 121.5. All units still broadcas
t
121.5, as it is a requirement of the TSO. In fact 91.207 does not specify a
frequency, so you are free to test its broadcast as you see fit(within the
5 min
after hour).
KM
A&P/IA
Steven Roberts wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> The old method won=A2t work on the 406 MHz ELT=A2s. That was the point I
was trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency range o
f VHF
airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, the new
ELTs
are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs are a continuous wave analog
tone,
while the new ELT=A2s are a short burst of digital data, very close to the
way
cellphone and wifi transmitters work. The short pulse allows a high power (
five
watt) signal from a very small battery. You need a special receiver to rece
ive
the signal and a digital processor to decode the data. That=A2s what you ge
t for
3 AMU=A2s.
>
> (AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars. Also equivalent
to one AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) J
>
> Steve Roberts
>
> (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build location)
>
> N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E =A1Ms. Obsession=A2 KMOR Morristown, TN
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Thysse
n
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
>
> Steve,
>
> You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. usin
g
a VHF radio.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> One day I to will fly.
>
>
> **
> * *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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