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1. 05:42 AM - weight & balance program (rvdave)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Van's tach (PJ Seipel)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: heads up (Kelly McMullen)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Tim Olson)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 08:36 AM - Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (tsts4)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Robin Marks)
10. 11:00 AM - test - please ignore (Tim Lewis)
11. 01:03 PM - Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Lewis)
12. 01:43 PM - Re: weight & balance program (Ted French)
13. 03:14 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Dave Leikam)
14. 03:45 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Bob Kaufmann)
15. 06:22 PM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (John Hilger)
16. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Bill DeRouchey)
17. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Patrick Thyssen)
18. 07:43 PM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Larry Rosen)
19. 08:22 PM - Re: Mistake on the aft deck (Rick Sked)
20. 09:07 PM - Deburring (Doug Gee)
21. 10:42 PM - Re: Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket (Vernon Smith)
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| Subject: | weight & balance program |
Is there a weight & balance program for the 10 that anyone has written? I know
there is an older one here
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=135332088?KEYS=weight_&_balance_program?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=0501037899?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
but it doesn't allow any parameters to change without a password.
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Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Lake City, MI
based at CAD
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227851#227851
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You need the 12" extension. I believe you can get just the extension
and add it to the transducer. Part number is IE VTACH EXT12
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
partner14 wrote:
>
> I have dual lightspeed ignition, and now understand that it will not communicate
with the Van's tach. So I ordered the tranducer. But upon receipt I then
realized that with the backup SD20 Alternator mounted on the rear of the engine,
there's no room to get the transducer to fit.
> Has ANYONE found a solution to this? Is there another way to provide the Van's
tach with the required input.
> Thanks guys, Don McDonald
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227818#227818
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You can see that setup on many a Cessna, combo tail skid and tiedown
ring. Heck, even my Mooney has a tail skid. Helps when pilot gets
confused and tries to land it like a taildragger. ;-)
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Dave Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> After having read about this before, I will probably mount a small piece of
> spring steel in the shape of a "U" at the tie down point using the tie down
> ring to hold it in place. Haven't decided where to get the spring steel
> yet, but that's my thought.
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Schmidt
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
> This has happened to many of us early on and was posted multiple times but
> it is good to repeat from time to time as it is sometimes difficult to read
> all the posts.
> My standard for loading is one person in back, one in front, then the second
> in back and finally the pilot.
> The issue arises when you have two in back and two people step up at the
> same time. That is like having two guys in the baggage compartment and two
> in the back seats.
> I also de-plane the same way. Also keep your tie-down in at all times. I
> have had it tip one other time but it just hit the tie down ring like
> previously mentioned.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:32:03 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: heads up
>
> This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: heads up
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
>
> When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain
> seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning,
> the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount
> while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and
> struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to
> the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not
> added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have
> eliminated this incident..
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Precisely. Been doing it that way for years. That is what I meant by
old method. In fact that method was first demonstrated to me by an
avionics shop over 20 years ago. Keep in mind that the FAA works in
strange ways, and hasn't updated 43.13-1B in 8 years. I won't hold my
breath as to how long before they update an AC for 406 ELTs. Like the
AIM, ACs are good guidance, but they aren't the reg, (except for
GPSs).
2009/1/31 Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>:
> Ok, heres a Hint..
> VHF, AM radio. Read AC43.13.chapter 12
> Ask your Faa inspector. I did not read or ask one day on a part135
> inspection.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:48 PM
>
>
> Yes, the old method WILL work on all ELTs. Point is there is NO regulatory
> requirement to test the ELT on anything but 121.5. All units still broadcast
> 121.5, as it is a requirement of the TSO. In fact 91.207 does not
> specify a
> frequency, so you are free to test its broadcast as you see fit(within the 5
> min
> after hour).
> KM
> A&P/IA
> Steven Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> The old method won't work on the 406 MHz ELT's. That was the point I
> was trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency range of
> VHF
> airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, the new
> ELTs
> are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs are a continuous wave analog
> tone,
> while the new ELT's are a short burst of digital data, very close to the way
> cellphone and wifi transmitters work. The short pulse allows a high power
> (five
> watt) signal from a very small battery. You need a special receiver to
> receive
> the signal and a digital processor to decode the data. That's what you get
> for
> 3 AMU's.
>>
>> (AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars. Also equivalent
> to one
> AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) J
>>
>> Steve Roberts
>>
>> (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build location)
>>
>> N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Thyssen
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. using
> a VHF radio.
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> One day I to will fly.
>>
>>
>> **
>> * *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
> -= -->
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Patrick, I'm trying to figure out which side of the argument you're
arguing for.... I read the AC43.13 chapter 12, and see nothing really
related to 406Mhz ELT's other than normal ELT Checks, and since they
also broadcast 121.5, that should make inspecting easy. But it's
not a FAR, it's all in the AC.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> Ok, heres a Hint..
> VHF, AM radio. Read AC43.13.chapter 12
> Ask your Faa inspector. I did not read or ask one day on a part135
> inspection.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/30/09, Kelly McMullen /<kellym@aviating.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:48 PM
>
>
> Yes, the old method WILL work on all ELTs. Point is there is NO regulatory
> requirement to test the ELT on anything but 121.5. All units still broadcast
> 121.5, as it is a requirement of the TSO. In fact 91.207 does not
> specify a
> frequency, so you are free to test its broadcast as you see fit(within the
5 min
> after hour).
> KM
> A&P/IA
> Steven Roberts wrote:
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > The old method wont work on the 406 MHz ELTs. That was the point I
> was trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency range
of VHF
> airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, the new
ELTs
> are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs are a continuous wave analog
tone,
> while the new ELTs are a short burst of digital data, very close to the way
> cellphone and wifi transmitters work. The short pulse allows a high power
(five
> watt) signal from a very small battery. You need a special receiver to receive
> the signal and a digital processor to decode the data. Thats what you get
for
> 3 AMUs.
> >
> > (AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars. Also equivalent
> to one
> AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) J
> >
> > Steve Roberts
> >
> > (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build location)
> >
> > N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E Ms. Obsession KMOR Morristown, TN
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Thyssen
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about checking ELTs. using
> a VHF radio.
> >
> > Patrick Thyssen
> >
> > One day I to will fly.
> >
> >
> > **
> > * *
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> -= -->
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Glad to be hangered! |
Ya, except we have one of the biggest faults in the county here in the Midw
est. Fortunately it's also one of the least active! :)
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Yeah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
Thanks guys, I figured it was mounted to the J Channel. That's basically what
I needed as I'm looking for someplace to mount my Mountain High tank filler.
Mine is the one with the gauge otherwise I would have mounted it through the rear
bulkhead somewhere.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket
I have the instructions but no way to post them electronically. I can either type
them out here (there's 5 steps) or if you post or PM me a fax number I can
send them that way.
It gets installed between the F-1047C-L and F-1047D-L J-stiffeners, and between
the F-1006 and f-1007 Frames, but closer to the F-1006. You slide it fore and
aft to get a good fit. The outside face of the bracket's top flange goes against
the bottom side of the 1047C stiffener, while the inside face of the bracket's
bottom flange goes against the bottom side of the 1047D stiffener. The
instructions have a drawing that makes this arrangement perfectly clear.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
I just faxed a copy to Jesse so he can post.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Glad to be hangered! |
Dave,
Do you really want to start the whole Earthquake vs. Sunshine debate.
Allow me to repeat:
Oh noooooo, Wednesday we are going to have AM clouds and it's not even
going to reach 80. I'm moving.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Yeah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Stein understands if the staff is out playing golf, panels
aren't getting built.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
Robin
VFR Anyone?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh
well maybe it will be better tomorrow. You could always move here
Stein.
Bob K
Lovely Las Vegas
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
Inc.
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3
yesterday, although today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting
at a balmy 9 degrees F. Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather
comin!
Cheers,
Stein
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my
hangar and on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that
is when you are trying to do a first engine start????
cheers,
Ron
-187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!!
________________________________
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jim@combsfive.com
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
We had some serious Ice and snow over the last
few days. I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a
hanger!
All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope
none are damaged!
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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| Subject: | test - please ignore |
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Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| Subject: | Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at
<http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop plate
is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only engage about
one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short 1/4" length of the
screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out in step F). I'm not
very comfortable with this arrangement. Only a single thread engagement
(1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling there's risk of the screw
stripping and/or backing out and leaving the stop plate not properly
attached. I don't like the picture of the stop plate rattling around
where it can jam the aircraft roll control.
For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do you
find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron stop
system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops provided by the
servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to better secure the stop
plate?
Thanks,
Tim
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RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| Subject: | weight & balance program |
Take a look at this one....
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_Weight_and_Balance.xls
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RV-10 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rvdave
Sent: January 31, 2009 5:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: weight & balance program
Is there a weight & balance program for the 10 that anyone has written? I
know there is an older one here
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=135332088?KEYS=we
ight_&_balance_program?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=0501037899?SHOWBUTTONS
=YES
but it doesn't allow any parameters to change without a password.
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Lake City, MI
based at CAD
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| Subject: | Re: Glad to be hangered! |
Yeah and we get heat lightning too !! (couldn't help myself Mike :-D)
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From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Ya, except we have one of the biggest faults in the county here in the
Midwest. Fortunately it's also one of the least active! J
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:24 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Yeah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Glad to be hangered! |
But lets talk about thunderstorms, tornadoes, and bugs and humidity.
Bob K
Working all day in my last Stein Air t shirt in 65 degree weather.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Yeah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Stein understands if the staff is out playing golf, panels aren't getting
built.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
Robin
VFR Anyone?
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh well maybe it
will be better tomorrow. You could always move here Stein.
Bob K
Lovely Las Vegas
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday, although
today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy 9 degrees F.
Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin!
Cheers,
Stein
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar and on the
apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when you are trying
to do a first engine start????
cheers,
Ron
-187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the
airport and was really glad I was in a hanger!
All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged!
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
Tim
Thanks for mentioning this.
I just checked mine and I got two turns on those screws.
Another 1/8" or 1/4" would be better.
As I understand it, the stop plate is there to prevent any part of the
linkage from going "over center".
This would cause the servo to lockup when it reverses, Not a Good Idea.
Check with Tru Track they might have longer screws.
John H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Lewis" <timrvator@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate
>
> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at
> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
>
> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop plate is
> held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only engage about one
> thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short 1/4" length of the
> screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out in step F). I'm not very
> comfortable with this arrangement. Only a single thread engagement (1
> turn of the screw) leaves me feeling there's risk of the screw stripping
> and/or backing out and leaving the stop plate not properly attached. I
> don't like the picture of the stop plate rattling around where it can jam
> the aircraft roll control.
>
> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do you find
> that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron stop system
> keep the servo arm from running up to the stops provided by the servo's
> stop plate? Have others taken steps to better secure the stop plate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
I-not so brilliantly-tested mine to the COSPAS satellite and hence test
ed the process from beginning to end.
-
My remote activation switch was located on a removable section of the Stein
panel linking to a harness through a large AMP connector. Somehow when I r
emoved the panel it set off my ME406. The buzzer that came with the unit ha
s a high pitch that only a dog can detect. After an unknown amount of time
I sensed something was amiss and started frantically removing the screws in
the tail fairing. Note that my aircraft was inside a metal hanger with the
big doors opened not more than one foot.
-
About halfway through the 30 (or so) screws securing the tail fairing my ce
ll phone rang. It was a Sergeant from the Air Force in Florida. I told him
the story and all was well. Then I asked what was the overall response time
and the process he follows. From onset it was 13 minutes and he had alread
y called my Dad and Sara. We said goodbye. I removed another 10 screws and
the cell phone rang again. This time it was a lady from Search and Rescue i
n Alaska. I went through the story again except she wanted the long alphanu
meric string to verify it was really me. Fortunately, I had my aircraft dia
ry nearby with the ME406 documented. She said goodbye and warned me that th
e Coast Guard would call next.
-
I relocated the remote switch to a fixed point to the left of my lower leg.
Actually, all the emergency switches are located in a row at the same loca
tion to keep the panel uncluttered: ELT, alt air, oil winter flap, alt stat
ic air. AND - I pasted and sealed an extra ELT Beacon sticker to the side o
f my registration placard so I could say the long alphanumeric code without
opening up the tail fairing.
-
Guys, these new 406Mhz units work exceptionally well and there is a good pr
ocess behind the alert. The 121.5Mhz units were seldom more than a comfort
while you died and never a bargain at $200 (or so). Note that the 121.5 pro
cess had a mandatory 8 hour wait for additional verification to filter out
false signals. So, if you calculate a blood drip rate at ....
-
One item of concern with carrying a PLB as your 406Mhz device. As I remembe
r the COSPAS packet or Beacon ID indicates-if the alert source is a Perso
nal LB, Aviation LB, or Marine LB. The rescue process could be very differe
nt if a PLB alert is sent for an aircraft in distress.
-
I sent an email to the ME406 Product Manager in early 2006 telling him to p
rovide a pin for serial GPS data that we could optionally provide else the
AmeriKings and Acks would chew his tail. He never answered. Well, we will s
ee how the ME406 competes in the future.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
-
--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
Patrick, I'm trying to figure out which side of the argument you're
arguing for.... I read the AC43.13 chapter 12, and see nothing really
related to 406Mhz ELT's other than normal ELT Checks, and since they
also broadcast 121.5, that should make inspecting easy. But it's
not a FAR, it's all in the AC.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> Ok, heres a Hint..
> VHF, AM radio. Read AC43.13.chapter 12 Ask your Faa inspector. I did
not read or ask one day on a part135 inspection.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/30/09, Kelly McMullen /<kellym@aviating.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:48 PM
>
<kellym@aviating.com>
>
> Yes, the old method WILL work on all ELTs. Point is there is NO
regulatory
> requirement to test the ELT on anything but 121.5. All units still
broadcast
> 121.5, as it is a requirement of the TSO. In fact 91.207 does not
> specify a
> frequency, so you are free to test its broadcast as you see fit(withi
n
the 5 min
> after hour).
> KM
> A&P/IA
> Steven Roberts wrote:
> > > Patrick,
> > > The old method won=A2t work on the 406 MHz ELT=A2s. That
was the point I
> was trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency
range of VHF
> airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, th
e
new ELTs
> are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs are a continuous wave
analog tone,
> while the new ELT=A2s are a short burst of digital data, very close t
o
the way
> cellphone and wifi transmitters work. The short pulse allows a high
power (five
> watt) signal from a very small battery. You need a special receiver t
o
receive
> the signal and a digital processor to decode the data. That=A2s what
you get for
> 3 AMU=A2s.
> > > (AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars.
Also equivalent
> to one
> AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) J
> > > Steve Roberts
> > > (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build
location)
> > > N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E =A1Ms. Obsession=A2 KMOR
Morristown, TN
> > >
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
Thyssen
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> > > Steve,
> > > You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about
checking ELTs. using
> a VHF radio.
> > > Patrick Thyssen
> > > One day I to will fly.
> > > > **
> > * *
> > > *
> > > >
> -= -->
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 406 MHZ ELT |
Tim,
-Ok here's where I'm coming from. Steve made a blanket statement of using
VHF and thats all you do With the old 121.5 elts and As I said, I was not
talking about 406 elts, I was concerned about 121.5 elts- which we mostly
have in the general aviation. And do not want someone reading this and say
all I have to do is use the VHF radio turn it to 121.5 and see if I get a
signal.The Vhf radio only lets you test to see if it activates but is not g
ood for the radiated signal. As per Far 91.207d4. You can test that as per
AC43. And ac 43.13 is acceptable data. (Don't forget to read the notes).Tha
t is the only place I know you see testing for sufficient signal radiated f
rom its antenna. Except for the manufacturer books which I know nothing of.
So go ahead and shoot.
Like I said ask your local- FAA. otherwise don't ask and ask for forgiven
ess afterward, that's the pilots motto around my airport.
Patrick Thyssen
Will fly one day. Maybe
--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
Patrick, I'm trying to figure out which side of the argument you're
arguing for.... I read the AC43.13 chapter 12, and see nothing really
related to 406Mhz ELT's other than normal ELT Checks, and since they
also broadcast 121.5, that should make inspecting easy. But it's
not a FAR, it's all in the AC.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> Ok, heres a Hint..
> VHF, AM radio. Read AC43.13.chapter 12 Ask your Faa inspector. I did
not read or ask one day on a part135 inspection.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/30/09, Kelly McMullen /<kellym@aviating.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:48 PM
>
<kellym@aviating.com>
>
> Yes, the old method WILL work on all ELTs. Point is there is NO
regulatory
> requirement to test the ELT on anything but 121.5. All units still
broadcast
> 121.5, as it is a requirement of the TSO. In fact 91.207 does not
> specify a
> frequency, so you are free to test its broadcast as you see fit(withi
n
the 5 min
> after hour).
> KM
> A&P/IA
> Steven Roberts wrote:
> > > Patrick,
> > > The old method won=A2t work on the 406 MHz ELT=A2s. That
was the point I
> was trying to make. For one thing, 406 MHz is outside the frequency
range of VHF
> airband receivers. Secondly, the old ELTs are amplitude modulated, th
e
new ELTs
> are frequency modulated. Lastly, the old ELTs are a continuous wave
analog tone,
> while the new ELT=A2s are a short burst of digital data, very close t
o
the way
> cellphone and wifi transmitters work. The short pulse allows a high
power (five
> watt) signal from a very small battery. You need a special receiver t
o
receive
> the signal and a digital processor to decode the data. That=A2s what
you get for
> 3 AMU=A2s.
> > > (AMU is the American Monetary Unit or $1,000 US dollars.
Also equivalent
> to one
> AJU, the American Jewelry Unit) J
> > > Steve Roberts
> > > (still lurking while waiting for a suitable build
location)
> > > N2700W 1966 Mooney M20E =A1Ms. Obsession=A2 KMOR
Morristown, TN
> > >
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
Thyssen
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RE: 406 MHZ ELT
> > > Steve,
> > > You might want to look up in ac43.13 chapter 12 about
checking ELTs. using
> a VHF radio.
> > > Patrick Thyssen
> > > One day I to will fly.
> > > > **
> > * *
> > > *
> > > >
> -= -->
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
Tim,
I cannot answer your question, but I looked at my installation (not yet
flying) and I do not have the roll stop installed. If you look at Tim
Olson's installation and he also does not have the roll stop
<http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041231/RV200412310044.html>,
but Deems does
<http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2020%20Bottom%20Wing%20Skin/slides/DSC02106.html>
Also, I do not have the stop installed on the pitch servo, but Tim Olson
does
<http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060816/RV200608160109.html>,
but the Tru Trak RV-10 installation photos do not show it. Deems does
not have the pitch control stops installed
<http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Wiring/slides/DSC03209.html>
Now I am even more confused than usual. I guess a call to Tru Trak on
Monday is called for.
Larry Rosen
#356
Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at
> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
>
> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop plate
> is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only engage
> about one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short 1/4"
> length of the screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out in step
> F). I'm not very comfortable with this arrangement. Only a single
> thread engagement (1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling there's risk
> of the screw stripping and/or backing out and leaving the stop plate
> not properly attached. I don't like the picture of the stop plate
> rattling around where it can jam the aircraft roll control.
>
> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do you
> find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron stop
> system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops provided by the
> servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to better secure the
> stop plate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mistake on the aft deck |
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I have just started building the VS and I have a question about deburring technique.
I have used the scotchbrite wheel t do most of the outside edges and this
works well. I have used the deburring tool with the swivelling blade to do
the lightening holes but how do I do the notches around the ribs? I used a needle
file but very tedious - is there a better way or d these notches not need
to be done? Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket |
Hi Michael=2C
Probably a little late=2C but I posted some pictures of the installed mount
s on the blog: www.aviationstop.com
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
> From: rvbuilder@sausen.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sat=2C 31 Jan 2009 09:38:46 -0600
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket
>
@sausen.net>
>
> Thanks guys=2C I figured it was mounted to the J Channel. That's basical
ly what I needed as I'm looking for someplace to mount my Mountain High tan
k filler. Mine is the one with the gauge otherwise I would have mounted it
through the rear bulkhead somewhere.
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> Sent: Friday=2C January 30=2C 2009 6:58 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Van's Whelen/ELT bracket
>
>
> I have the instructions but no way to post them electronically. I can ei
ther type them out here (there's 5 steps) or if you post or PM me a fax num
ber I can send them that way.
>
> It gets installed between the F-1047C-L and F-1047D-L J-stiffeners=2C and
between the F-1006 and f-1007 Frames=2C but closer to the F-1006. You sli
de it fore and aft to get a good fit. The outside face of the bracket's to
p flange goes against the bottom side of the 1047C stiffener=2C while the i
nside face of the bracket's bottom flange goes against the bottom side of t
he 1047D stiffener. The instructions have a drawing that makes this arrang
ement perfectly clear.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
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