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1. 02:22 AM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Olson)
2. 03:10 AM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Patrick Pulis)
3. 03:11 AM - Re: Deburring (Patrick Pulis)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Nitrogen in Tires (vbhisey)
5. 05:58 AM - Re: Deburring (Jesse Saint)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Lewis)
7. 06:30 AM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Olson)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT (hsdexo)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Kevin Belue)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Dj Merrill)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: 406 MHZ ELT (Steven Roberts)
12. 11:20 AM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (gary)
13. 11:57 AM - Re: Mistake on the Aft Deck: Fixed (Perry, Phil)
14. 12:49 PM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Lewis)
15. 01:11 PM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Olson)
16. 01:39 PM - Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate (Tim Olson)
17. 06:31 PM - Re: weight & balance program (Lenny Iszak)
18. 07:11 PM - Re: Glad to be hangered! (Dave Leikam)
19. 11:12 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:35 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
Keep in mind that the photos on that first link are from 2004...2
years before I flew. Somewhere in early Feb 2006 you should see an
update where I added the stops, as the new kit of parts came out.
Either right before or right after first flight, I had to redo the
aileron servo linkages with new parts because the added the stops. I
think they had incidents of jammed aileron servos due to linkage
travelling to far, so they made length changes and hard stops. I
would absolutely add the stops. Although, I don't remember the screw
length being an issue at that time. I'd call them and ask how long
you can use and then report back here for your RV10 buds.
Tim
On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Larry Rosen <N205EN@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I cannot answer your question, but I looked at my installation (not
> yet flying) and I do not have the roll stop installed. If you look
> at Tim Olson's installation and he also does not have the roll stop <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041231/RV200412310044.html
> >,
> but Deems does <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2020%20Bottom%20Wing%20Skin/slides/DSC02106.html
> >
>
> Also, I do not have the stop installed on the pitch servo, but Tim
> Olson does <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060816/RV200608160109.html
> >, but the Tru Trak RV-10 installation photos do not show it. Deems
> does not have the pitch control stops installed <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Wiring/slides/DSC03209.html
> >
>
> Now I am even more confused than usual. I guess a call to Tru Trak
> on Monday is called for.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
>
> Tim Lewis wrote:
>>
>> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf
>> >.
>>
>> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop
>> plate is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only
>> engage about one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short
>> 1/4" length of the screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out
>> in step F). I'm not very comfortable with this arrangement. Only
>> a single thread engagement (1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling
>> there's risk of the screw stripping and/or backing out and leaving
>> the stop plate not properly attached. I don't like the picture of
>> the stop plate rattling around where it can jam the aircraft roll
>> control.
>>
>> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do
>> you find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron
>> stop system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops
>> provided by the servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to
>> better secure the stop plate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glad to be hangered! |
OK guys, if you're going to argue over who's hotter, well it has been sitti
ng at around 109F since Tuesday and a couple of days it got to 114F and at
night not much lower than 98F.=0A=0AThat would sure make your snow melt.=0A
=0AMy daughter came in crying this afternoon, when a bird dropped out of th
e sky near her - stone dead from the heat!=0A=0AThank goodness the workshop
is air conditioned and the beer is=C2-cold at the end of the day.=0A=0AI
feel so sorry for all you snow bound folks.=0A=0APatrick Pulis=0A#40299=C2
-=C2- VH-XPP=0AAdelaide=0ASouth Australia=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0AFrom: Bob Kaufmann <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>=0ATo: rv10-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 1 February, 2009 9:51:30 AM=0ASubject: RE:
RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!=0A=0A=0ABut lets talk about thunderstorms,
tornadoes, and bugs and humidity.=0A=C2-=0ABob K=0AWorking all day in my
last Stein Air t shirt in 65 degree weather.=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-li
st-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Be
half Of Dave Leikam=0ASent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:24 PM=0ATo: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!=0A=C2-=0AY
eah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)=0A=C2
-=0ADave Leikam=0ARV-10 #40496=0AN89DA (Reserved)=0AMuskego, WI=0Ado not
archive=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom:Robin Marks =0ATo:rv10-list@
matronics.com =0ASent:Friday, January 30, 2009 12:51 AM=0ASubject:RE: RV10-
List: Glad to be hangered!=0A=C2-=0AStein understands if the staff is out
playing golf, panels aren=99t getting built. =0ALet it snow, let it
snow, let it snow.=0A=C2-=0ARobin =0AVFR Anyone?=0AWX.jpg width=464 bor
der=0>=0ADo Not Archive=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Kaufmann=0ASent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:30 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matron
ics.com=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!=0A=C2-=0AStrugglin
g to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today.=C2- Oh well maybe it will
be better tomorrow.=C2- You could always move here Stein.=0A=C2-=0ABob
K =0ALovely Las Vegas=0ADo not archive.=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-se
rver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of SteinAir, Inc.=0ASent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM=0ATo: rv10-lis
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'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday, although
today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy 9 degrees F
.=C2- Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin!=0A=C2-=0AChee
rs,=0AStein=0A=C2-=0Ado not archive=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
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d!=0AWant to send some cool weather our way??=C2- 125 degs in my hangar a
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n you are trying to do a first engine start????=0A=C2-=0Acheers,=0ARon=0A
-187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!!=0A=C2-=0A=0A_______________
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ast few days.=C2- I got out to the airport and was really glad I was in a
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an easily be folded to get into the notches.=C2- I normally use around 24
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| Subject: | Re: Nitrogen in Tires |
If water vapor is the problem, wouldn't it be easier to just get the water vapor
out during compression of the air? It's a fairly straightforward process. Scuba
divers use it all the time while filling up their tanks with air.
... my 2c
Read this topic online here:
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Usually you can get those with the swiveling blade tool from the right
angle. That tool also can have different shaped blades for different
types of deburring.
Beyond that the needle file can be used to finish up.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:39 PM, "Doug Gee" <Doug.Gee@firestone-textiles.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> I have just started building the VS and I have a question about
> deburring technique. I have used the scotchbrite wheel t do most of
> the outside edges and this works well. I have used the deburring
> tool with the swivelling blade to do the lightening holes but how do
> I do the notches around the ribs? I used a needle file but very
> tedious - is there a better way or d these notches not need to be
> done? Thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
It looks like Tim Olson used the hardware from
<http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV-710RightWing.pdf>. This setup
doesn't use the "RV-10 Attach Plate" called out in step "c" of
<http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
Alex De Dominicis told me the RV-10 Attach Plate is essentially a torque
enhancer for more autopilot authority in rough air.
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I cannot answer your question, but I looked at my installation (not
> yet flying) and I do not have the roll stop installed. If you look at
> Tim Olson's installation and he also does not have the roll stop
> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041231/RV200412310044.html>,
> but Deems does
> <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2020%20Bottom%20Wing%20Skin/slides/DSC02106.html>
>
>
> Also, I do not have the stop installed on the pitch servo, but Tim
> Olson does
> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060816/RV200608160109.html>,
> but the Tru Trak RV-10 installation photos do not show it. Deems does
> not have the pitch control stops installed
> <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Wiring/slides/DSC03209.html>
>
> Now I am even more confused than usual. I guess a call to Tru Trak on
> Monday is called for.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
>
> Tim Lewis wrote:
>>
>> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at
>> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
>>
>> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop
>> plate is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only
>> engage about one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short
>> 1/4" length of the screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out
>> in step F). I'm not very comfortable with this arrangement. Only a
>> single thread engagement (1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling
>> there's risk of the screw stripping and/or backing out and leaving
>> the stop plate not properly attached. I don't like the picture of
>> the stop plate rattling around where it can jam the aircraft roll
>> control.
>>
>> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do you
>> find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron stop
>> system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops provided by
>> the servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to better secure
>> the stop plate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
Here is a link to just before first flight time, when I changed the
linkage and added the stops...they had just come out that week
I think.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20060208/index.html
Tim
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I cannot answer your question, but I looked at my installation (not yet
> flying) and I do not have the roll stop installed. If you look at Tim
> Olson's installation and he also does not have the roll stop
> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041231/RV200412310044.html>,
> but Deems does
> <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2020%20Bottom%20Wing%20Skin/slides/DSC02106.html>
>
>
> Also, I do not have the stop installed on the pitch servo, but Tim Olson
> does
> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060816/RV200608160109.html>,
> but the Tru Trak RV-10 installation photos do not show it. Deems does
> not have the pitch control stops installed
> <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Wiring/slides/DSC03209.html>
>
> Now I am even more confused than usual. I guess a call to Tru Trak on
> Monday is called for.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
>
> Tim Lewis wrote:
>>
>> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at
>> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
>>
>> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop plate
>> is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only engage
>> about one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short 1/4"
>> length of the screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out in step
>> F). I'm not very comfortable with this arrangement. Only a single
>> thread engagement (1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling there's risk
>> of the screw stripping and/or backing out and leaving the stop plate
>> not properly attached. I don't like the picture of the stop plate
>> rattling around where it can jam the aircraft roll control.
>>
>> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do you
>> find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron stop
>> system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops provided by the
>> servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to better secure the
>> stop plate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT |
Best thing to do is stay away from the 451. I sent a new 450 back to them that
would not work. It was 3 months old and I sent the BOS with it.
They have failed to respond and still have my unit 1 year now.
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
I think it is very important to install the servo stop plates. The
servo is capable of driving itself too far and get in a position that
will lock the controls if the plates are not installed. I didn't think
they were important when I watched the linkage and moved the controls
to the stops, but when I moved the servo arm itself, I could get it
into a locked position. Be careful!
Kevin Belue
RV6A
RV10 flying
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Larry Rosen <N205EN@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I cannot answer your question, but I looked at my installation (not
> yet flying) and I do not have the roll stop installed. If you look
> at Tim Olson's installation and he also does not have the roll stop <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041231/RV200412310044.html
> >,
> but Deems does <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2020%20Bottom%20Wing%20Skin/slides/DSC02106.html
> >
>
> Also, I do not have the stop installed on the pitch servo, but Tim
> Olson does <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060816/RV200608160109.html
> >, but the Tru Trak RV-10 installation photos do not show it. Deems
> does not have the pitch control stops installed <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Wiring/slides/DSC03209.html
> >
>
> Now I am even more confused than usual. I guess a call to Tru Trak
> on Monday is called for.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
>
> Tim Lewis wrote:
>>
>> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf
>> >.
>>
>> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop
>> plate is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only
>> engage about one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short
>> 1/4" length of the screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out
>> in step F). I'm not very comfortable with this arrangement. Only
>> a single thread engagement (1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling
>> there's risk of the screw stripping and/or backing out and leaving
>> the stop plate not properly attached. I don't like the picture of
>> the stop plate rattling around where it can jam the aircraft roll
>> control.
>>
>> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do
>> you find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron
>> stop system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops
>> provided by the servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to
>> better secure the stop plate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glad to be hangered! |
Patrick Pulis wrote:
> I feel so sorry for all you snow bound folks.
Skiis... :-)
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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I don't think we have any disagreement. You can still use the old testing
methods to satisfy the annual testing requirement for ELTs. This is because
the new ELTs still have a 121.5 MHz signal in addition to the 406 MHz
signal. Testing the 406 MHz signal and data burst is not required by FAR at
this time.at least so far.
As Bill and others have indicated, you need to be careful when testing the
ELT not to trigger the 406 MHz burst. You may be charged for SAR costs
incurred, fined, or scare the crap out of your emergency contacts. To my
knowledge there is no DIY method to fully test the 406 MHz signal.
My wife and I have also been carrying our PLB whenever we travel.vacations,
hiking, scuba, etc.. We let our registered contacts know where we will be.
When we went to New Zealand we put our itinerary on our NOAA registration in
the comments section. You never know.
Steve Roberts
N2700W 1966 M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN
_____
Tim,
Ok here's where I'm coming from. Steve made a blanket statement of using
VHF and thats all you do With the old 121.5 elts and As I said, I was not
talking about 406 elts, I was concerned about 121.5 elts which we mostly
have in the general aviation. And do not want someone reading this and say
all I have to do is use the VHF radio turn it to 121.5 and see if I get a
signal.The Vhf radio only lets you test to see if it activates but is not
good for the radiated signal. As per Far 91.207d4. You can test that as per
AC43. And ac 43.13 is acceptable data. (Don't forget to read the notes).That
is the only place I know you see testing for sufficient signal radiated from
its antenna. Except for the manufacturer books which I know nothing of.
So go ahead and shoot.
Like I said ask your local FAA. otherwise don't ask and ask for forgiveness
afterward, that's the pilots motto around my airport.
Patrick Thyssen
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| Subject: | Glad to be hangered! |
Pictures like that always make me sad. That is so hard on the plane and
many forget to head out to the airport when it is coming down and freezing.
I have seen wings broken from ice weight.
Gary
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got out to the
airport and was really glad I was in a hanger!
All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged!
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
Thanks for all the replies. Good info.
I sent an email to Tru Trak asking about longer screws. I'll let you
know what I hear. The screw max length will be a consideration, due to
the moving pieces inside the servo that are right behind the screw
holes. You can actually see movement of an interior servo part through
the screw hole.
Thanks,
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that the photos on that first link are from 2004...2
> years before I flew. Somewhere in early Feb 2006 you should see an
> update where I added the stops, as the new kit of parts came out.
> Either right before or right after first flight, I had to redo the
> aileron servo linkages with new parts because the added the stops. I
> think they had incidents of jammed aileron servos due to linkage
> travelling to far, so they made length changes and hard stops. I
> would absolutely add the stops. Although, I don't remember the screw
> length being an issue at that time. I'd call them and ask how long
> you can use and then report back here for your RV10 buds.
> Tim
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Larry Rosen <N205EN@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Tim,
>> I cannot answer your question, but I looked at my installation (not
>> yet flying) and I do not have the roll stop installed. If you look
>> at Tim Olson's installation and he also does not have the roll stop
>> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041231/RV200412310044.html>,
>> but Deems does
>> <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2020%20Bottom%20Wing%20Skin/slides/DSC02106.html>
>>
>>
>> Also, I do not have the stop installed on the pitch servo, but Tim
>> Olson does
>> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060816/RV200608160109.html>,
>> but the Tru Trak RV-10 installation photos do not show it. Deems
>> does not have the pitch control stops installed
>> <http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Wiring/slides/DSC03209.html>
>>
>> Now I am even more confused than usual. I guess a call to Tru Trak
>> on Monday is called for.
>>
>> Larry Rosen
>> #356
>>
>> Tim Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>> Tru Trak's RV-10 roll servo installation diagram is at
>>> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
>>>
>>> In the first photo, item "F" is the servo stop plate. That stop
>>> plate is held on by two little 6-32 screws, 1/4" long, which only
>>> engage about one thread (!) into the servo body (due to the short
>>> 1/4" length of the screws and the AN960-10 washer spacer called out
>>> in step F). I'm not very comfortable with this arrangement. Only a
>>> single thread engagement (1 turn of the screw) leaves me feeling
>>> there's risk of the screw stripping and/or backing out and leaving
>>> the stop plate not properly attached. I don't like the picture of
>>> the stop plate rattling around where it can jam the aircraft roll
>>> control.
>>>
>>> For those who have installed this system and gotten it flying, do
>>> you find that the stop plate is needed, or does the RV-10's aileron
>>> stop system keep the servo arm from running up to the stops provided
>>> by the servo's stop plate? Have others taken steps to better
>>> secure the stop plate?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
And again, just so people don't get confused, no, when I built it
BEFORE flying by a couple years, there hadn't been such a torque
enhancing plate. But, the week or so before I flew, they sent me
the parts and it all got changed out. So yes, today, and ever since
first flight, I've had the torque enhancing plate. That's the
problem with reading a book....if you don't read to the end, you
don't know what totally happened.
Shows the day I modified the aileron servo:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20060208/index.html
I've never had the opportunity to fly without it.
Tim
Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> It looks like Tim Olson used the hardware from
> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV-710RightWing.pdf>. This setup
> doesn't use the "RV-10 Attach Plate" called out in step "c" of
> <http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/RV10RollInstallation.pdf>.
> Alex De Dominicis told me the RV-10 Attach Plate is essentially a torque
> enhancer for more autopilot authority in rough air.
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak (RV-10) roll servo stop plate |
One thing to consider if they won't let you go with longer screws
is using loctite on them once you fix it in a position you are
happy with. It would be better than having it come apart.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies. Good info.
>
> I sent an email to Tru Trak asking about longer screws. I'll let you
> know what I hear. The screw max length will be a consideration, due to
> the moving pieces inside the servo that are right behind the screw
> holes. You can actually see movement of an interior servo part through
> the screw hole.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance program |
Here's a good one:
http://nwacaptain.com/10weightandbalance.html
Regards,
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228095#228095
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| Subject: | Re: Glad to be hangered! |
I hear it all the time since my in-laws moved to Sedona. I admit you
got me on the weather!
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Dave,
Do you really want to start the whole Earthquake vs. Sunshine debate.
Allow me to repeat:
Oh noooooo, Wednesday we are going to have AM clouds and it's not even
going to reach 80. I'm moving.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:24 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Yeah but we don't get those darn earthquakes here in the Midwest ;-)
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Stein understands if the staff is out playing golf, panels aren't
getting built.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
Robin
VFR Anyone?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Struggling to maintain composure as it gets to 61 today. Oh well
maybe it will be better tomorrow. You could always move here Stein.
Bob K
Lovely Las Vegas
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
Inc.
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:09 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
I'll try to send some that way....I think we got up to 3 yesterday,
although today it warmed up nicely to 14...currently sitting at a balmy
9 degrees F. Back down to -11 tonight, but warmer weather comin!
Cheers,
Stein
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:54 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
Want to send some cool weather our way?? 125 degs in my hangar
and on the apron at the moment. Wanna know how frustrating that is when
you are trying to do a first engine start????
cheers,
Ron
-187, waiting for the temperature to COOOOL!!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jim@combsfive.com
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 1:19 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Glad to be hangered!
We had some serious Ice and snow over the last few days. I got
out to the airport and was really glad I was in a hanger!
All aircraft had become tail draggers! Hope none are damaged!
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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