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1. 07:06 AM - New TSA Security Requirements (Patrick ONeill)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
3. 07:51 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (bruce breckenridge)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (bruce breckenridge)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Dj Merrill)
6. 08:33 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
8. 08:56 AM - Cowl hinge sealant? (jayb)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (John Jessen)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (Rick Barnes)
11. 09:47 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
12. 10:04 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (John Jessen)
13. 10:04 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Chuck Weyant)
14. 10:42 AM - Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (Jim Berry)
15. 11:08 AM - Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (John Cox)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Tim Olson)
17. 12:25 PM - MT prop governor rotation - final position (AirMike)
18. 12:38 PM - Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (AirMike)
19. 12:39 PM - Re: Motivation (AirMike)
20. 01:04 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Dj Merrill)
21. 01:24 PM - Nose Wheel Spacer - Shimmy (Jesse Saint)
22. 01:57 PM - firewall sealant and valve option (pascal)
23. 02:34 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Spacer - Shimmy (Kelly McMullen)
24. 04:06 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Bob Kaufmann)
25. 04:13 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (David McNeill)
26. 04:18 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (James McGrew)
27. 04:34 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Patrick ONeill)
28. 04:38 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (John Jessen)
29. 04:47 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Bob Kaufmann)
30. 05:17 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (Kelly McMullen)
31. 06:13 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
32. 06:27 PM - Re: New TSA Security Requirements (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
33. 07:29 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Spacer - Shimmy (linn Walters)
34. 07:34 PM - THrottle Cable Length (Chris)
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| Subject: | New TSA Security Requirements |
At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots
operating out of Part 139 airports take effect.
Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the new
rules (KSNA). I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and
access badge for continued ramp access.
I know most of you operate out of smaller fields. But I figured I'd see if
any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience. Anyone
else been through it yet?
I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
=C2-Hello Patrick.
My wife and I operate out of Eugene Airport. We got new airport badges yest
erday, and they put a "ghost" image of our picture up above it, claiming th
at it will make it more difficult to make up a fake id, as if that will hel
p=C2-some perceived "enemy"=C2-enter the gate-since it is locked!! We
=C2- were also told, be aware that tsa will "show a higher presence" here
. I told her that they are not coming in our hangar, and that they have no
rights with general aviation. She said: Just to let you know , they will be
around more! What a veiled threat! If someone doesn't stop them and their
egregious power grabbing we will quit flying. It isn't enough to try to foi
st this set of ridiculous 12,500 lb set of outrageous rules on GA; now they
are already targeting small aircraft. They better not approach me! Oh well
.. Hope someone does something. I called AOPA and reported this. I can't be
lieve this. I told the airport staff in the office that they are brownshirt
s who really want general aviation planes grounded if they had their way.
Brian and Ruth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:32:13 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots opera
ting out of Part 139 airports take effect.
Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the ne
w rules (KSNA).=C2- I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
airport=99s administrative office to apply for a TSA background chec
k and access badge for continued ramp access.
I know most of you operate out of smaller fields.=C2- But I figured I
=99d see if any other list members have had the pleasure of this experie
nce.=C2- Anyone else been through it yet?
I=99m hoping it=99s pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
Patrick #40715
===============
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home
base, 7s9. She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
Burbank one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pilots
had to say. She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their concerns.
Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear. By the 27th of this
month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regulations. The "book" is
261 pages of rules and guidelines.
Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are
part of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.
Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary. This
long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe, a total
waste of energy. The small commercial operation affected will have to
provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each aircraft
and person boarding. I can see the closing of businesses due to the
increased regulations and costs placed on them. It looks like they've been
given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
going to get really deep....
Bruce
40018
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Patrick ONeill <poneill@irealms.com> wrote:
> At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots
> operating out of Part 139 airports take effect.
>
>
> Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the
> new rules (KSNA). I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
> airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and
> access badge for continued ramp access.
>
>
> I know most of you operate out of smaller fields. But I figured I'd see if
> any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience. Anyone
> else been through it yet?
>
>
> I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
>
>
> Patrick #40715
>
> Do not archive
>
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>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
Wow! Looks like the list my wife got at the meeting was a little
misleading!! Bummer about KEUG! It would be great if EVERYONE failed to
comply. Might send a message, but at the expense of many who might pay a
high price for standing firm.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM, <cloudvalley@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Patrick.
>
> My wife and I operate out of Eugene Airport. We got new airport badges
> yesterday, and they put a "ghost" image of our picture up above it, claiming
> that it will make it more difficult to make up a fake id, as if that will
> help some perceived "enemy" enter the gate-since it is locked!! We were
> also told, be aware that tsa will "show a higher presence" here. I told her
> that they are not coming in our hangar, and that they have no rights with
> general aviation. She said: Just to let you know , they will be around more!
> What a veiled threat! If someone doesn't stop them and their egregious power
> grabbing we will quit flying. It isn't enough to try to foist this set of
> ridiculous 12,500 lb set of outrageous rules on GA; now they are already
> targeting small aircraft. They better not approach me! Oh well.. Hope
> someone does something. I called AOPA and reported this. I can't believe
> this. I told the airport staff in the office that they are brownshirts who
> really want general aviation planes grounded if they had their way.
>
> Brian and Ruth
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:32:13 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
>
> At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots
> operating out of Part 139 airports take effect.
>
>
> Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the
> new rules (KSNA). I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
> airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and
> access badge for continued ramp access.
>
>
> I know most of you operate out of smaller fields. But I figured I'd see if
> any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience. Anyone
> else been through it yet?
>
>
> I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
>
>
> Patrick #40715
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
bruce breckenridge wrote:
> It would be great if EVERYONE failed to comply. Might send a message,
> but at the expense of many who might pay a high price for standing firm.
I'm convinced you are correct, and that is probably the only way to
convince the gov't to get rid of the menace that the TSA presents to the
US and our way of life.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
=C2-I disagree!
=C2-NOT necessary!
----- Original Message -----
From: "bruce breckenridge" <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:50:32 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home ba
se, 7s9.=C2- She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
Burbank=C2-one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pi
lots had to say.=C2- She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their co
ncerns.=C2- Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear.=C2-
By the 27th of this month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regul
ations.=C2- The "book" is 261 pages of rules and guidelines.
Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are pa
rt of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.=C2
- Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary.=C2
- This long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe,
a total waste of energy.=C2- The small commercial operation affected wil
l have to provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each
aircraft and person boarding.=C2- I can see the closing of businesses due
to the increased regulations and costs placed on them.=C2- It looks like
they've been given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
going to get really deep....
Bruce
40018
=C2-
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Patrick ONeill < poneill@irealms.com > wrot
e:
At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots opera
ting out of Part 139 airports take effect.
Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the ne
w rules (KSNA).=C2- I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and ac
cess badge for continued ramp access.
I know most of you operate out of smaller fields.=C2- But I figured I'd s
ee if any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience.=C2
- Anyone else been through it yet?
I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
Patrick #40715
Do not archive get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
=C2-WE will give up flying if we are harassed by them. I won't allow them
to take away my rights!
----- Original Message -----
From: "bruce breckenridge" <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:50:32 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home ba
se, 7s9.=C2- She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
Burbank=C2-one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pi
lots had to say.=C2- She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their co
ncerns.=C2- Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear.=C2-
By the 27th of this month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regul
ations.=C2- The "book" is 261 pages of rules and guidelines.
Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are pa
rt of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.=C2
- Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary.=C2
- This long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe,
a total waste of energy.=C2- The small commercial operation affected wil
l have to provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each
aircraft and person boarding.=C2- I can see the closing of businesses due
to the increased regulations and costs placed on them.=C2- It looks like
they've been given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
going to get really deep....
Bruce
40018
=C2-
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Patrick ONeill < poneill@irealms.com > wrot
e:
At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots opera
ting out of Part 139 airports take effect.
Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the ne
w rules (KSNA).=C2- I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and ac
cess badge for continued ramp access.
I know most of you operate out of smaller fields.=C2- But I figured I'd s
ee if any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience.=C2
- Anyone else been through it yet?
I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
Patrick #40715
Do not archive get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
==
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| Subject: | Cowl hinge sealant? |
Before I rivet on my firewall side cowl hinges... I recall adding sealant to the
lower firewall to fuse tabs. Section 41-8 says rivet it all together, but doesn't
mention any sealant. Seems like a good idea, but why bother if it's not
a problem?
What have others done?
I noticed that Vans firewall high-temp sealant is marked "We are temporarily unable
to ship this product. Available only for Will Call purchase until further
notice". hmmm.
Proseal would provide a good CO block, but not do much for a real thermal event
with visual indication.
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | New TSA Security Requirements |
I learned to fly and was part of a flying club out of BED (Hanscom Airfield
near Boston), and one of my destinations was Westchester County (White
Plains, NY) HPN. Very high number of private jets, etc, plus a military
presence in the former, and an even greater number of jets, etc into the
latter. So, needless to say, the security apparatus ratcheted up
significantly at both very soon after 911. Double gates and all at Hanscom,
where the 182 was hangered. You had to drive your car into a holding area,
wait for the gate behind you to close and then the one in front to open.
Cameras were installed that could be focused down each hanger row. The
local FBO/charter company had to put in baggage screening equipment and
procedures. American Eagle used to fly commercial out of there and had to
put in a full system along with security folks, who mainly just sat around.
Those of us with planes on the field had to go for training in order to get
our badges. The training was worthless, in my opinion. Just designed to
try to get you to turn in anyone that you thought looked suspicious. So,
what does one do with the training? All become paranoid about everyone on
the airfield? Be the civilian watch dogs for the state? If someone wanted
to "take over" me and my 182 to do bad things, wouldn't it be very simple to
come to my house, "secure" me and my badge and car in order to get through
that joke of a gate to my hanger, or anyone else's hanger? This, to us at
the field, was a system so easily defeated that it was laughable, but in the
meantime it meant the loss of an intangible about flying that was dear to
all those who sacrificed a great deal to participate.
I don't know what the answer is, but I personally jumped at the chance to
obtain a hanger at a small, open, old time airport when I arrived in Oregon.
My fear is that soon, for any field with a 3k foot runway, we'll see the
requirement for a razor fence and double security gates. There are decent
sized biz jets with a good deal of speed, range, load capacity and mass that
can operate into and out of a 3k strip, fully loaded. Is this what they are
concerned about? What's the difference between a towered airport with a 5k
strip and one without a tower with a 3k strip? They both offer opportunity,
and I would think the latter would offer more. TSA has visited our little
piece of flying heaven, and they were told by its owner to basically to get
the H off the field.
At my airfield we watch out for each other, for each other's safety and
possessions. We know who's who on the field and introduce ourselves to
those we may not recognize, only because it is a very friendly and helpful
community, not because we have been asked to be paranoid watchdogs. I
remember being absolutely shocked when I first arrived because folks would
leave their hanger wide open when they left for a flight. I must admit I
haven't gotten that comfortable yet, but what a wonderful feeling to be able
to trust and depend upon your neighbors and fellow flying enthusiasts.
Where or when, in every part of our extremely complex society, do we cross
the line that means a significant and enduring loss of freedom, our way of
life that makes us so unique a society? And, yes, we can debate what
"freedom" means, pragmatically. Certainly no one wants total anarchy.
Flying, the way we define the activity, is so much a symbol of freedom. We
need more folks watching the watch dogs. We need folks, like Bruce's wife,
to get involved, or, by fiat, these freedoms we have will be curtailed.
Kurt Vonnegut where are you?
John
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce
breckenridge
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home
base, 7s9. She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
Burbank one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pilots
had to say. She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their concerns.
Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear. By the 27th of this
month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regulations. The "book" is
261 pages of rules and guidelines.
Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are
part of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.
Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary. This
long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe, a total
waste of energy. The small commercial operation affected will have to
provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each aircraft
and person boarding. I can see the closing of businesses due to the
increased regulations and costs placed on them. It looks like they've been
given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
going to get really deep....
Bruce
40018
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| Subject: | Cowl hinge sealant? |
On the Van's high-temp sealant: I talked with them several months ago and
the issue has to do with hazardous materials. In order to handle and ship a
hazardous material the people at Van's have to be certified to handle the
material. Van's doesn't want to pay for all of the government certification
hassle.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Cowl hinge sealant?
Before I rivet on my firewall side cowl hinges... I recall adding sealant to
the lower firewall to fuse tabs. Section 41-8 says rivet it all together,
but doesn't mention any sealant. Seems like a good idea, but why bother if
it's not a problem?
What have others done?
I noticed that Vans firewall high-temp sealant is marked "We are temporarily
unable to ship this product. Available only for Will Call purchase until
further notice". hmmm.
Proseal would provide a good CO block, but not do much for a real thermal
event with visual indication.
Thanks,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228457#228457
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
Hello John!
=C2-Thank you for that! I love it! Get the H off our field! I would have
loved to see that! Ha Ha HA...
=C2-We will look for a field like that also, or igve up flying before we
allow any intrusion into our freedom=C2- when it comes to flying. We wrot
e Phil Boyer before who agreed with me about the tsa.
Brian Preston
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:22:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
I learned to fly and was part of a flying club out of BED (Hanscom Airfield
near Boston), and one of my destinations was=C2- Westchester County ( Wh
ite Plains, NY ) HPN .=C2- Very high number of private jets, etc, plus a
military presence in the former, and an even greater number of jets, etc in
to the latter.=C2- So, needless to say, the security apparatus ratcheted
up significantly at both very soon after 911.=C2-=C2-Double gates and a
ll at Hanscom, where the 182 was hangered.=C2- You had to drive your car
into a holding area, wait for the gate behind you to close and then the one
in front to open.=C2-=C2- Cameras were installed that could be focused
down each hanger row.=C2- The local FBO/charter company had to put in ba
ggage screening equipment and procedures.=C2- American Eagle used to fly
commercial out of there and had to put in a full system along with security
folks, who mainly just sat around.=C2- Those of us with planes on the fi
eld had to go for training in order to get our badges.=C2- The training w
as worthless, in my opinion.=C2- Just designed to try to get you to turn
in anyone that you thought looked suspicious.=C2- So,=C2- what does one
do with the training?=C2- All become paranoid about everyone on the airf
ield?=C2-=C2- Be the civilian watch dogs for the state?=C2-=C2-If s
omeone wanted to=C2-"take over" me and my 182 to do bad things, wouldn't
it be very simple to come to my house, "secure" me and my=C2-badge and ca
r in order to get through that joke of a gate to my hanger, or anyone else'
s hanger?=C2- This, to us at the field, was a system so easily defeated t
hat it was laughable, but in the=C2-meantime it meant the loss of=C2-an
intangible about flying that was dear to all those who sacrificed a great
deal to participate.=C2- =C2-
I don't know what the answer is, but I personally jumped at the chance to o
btain a hanger at a small, open, old time airport when I arrived in Oregon.
=C2- My fear is that soon, for any field with a 3k foot runway, we'll see
the requirement for a razor fence and double security gates.=C2- There a
re decent sized biz jets with a good deal of speed, range, load capacity an
d mass that can operate into and out of a 3k strip, fully loaded.=C2- Is
this what they are concerned about?=C2- What's the difference between a t
owered airport with a 5k strip and one without a tower with a 3k strip?=C2
- They both offer opportunity, and I would think the latter would offer m
ore.=C2- TSA has visited our little piece of flying heaven, and they were
told by its owner to=C2-basically to get the H off the field.=C2-
At my airfield we watch out for each other, for each other's safety and pos
sessions.=C2- We know who's who on the field and introduce ourselves to t
hose we may not recognize, only because it is a very friendly and helpful c
ommunity, not because we have been asked to be paranoid watchdogs.=C2- I
remember being absolutely shocked when I first arrived because folks would
leave their hanger wide open when they left for a flight.=C2- I must admi
t I haven't gotten that comfortable yet, but what a wonderful feeling to be
able to trust and depend upon your neighbors and fellow flying enthusiasts
.=C2-=C2-=C2-
Where or when, in every part of our extremely complex society, do we cross
the line that means a significant and enduring=C2-loss of freedom, our wa
y of life that makes us so unique a society?=C2- And, yes, we can debate
what "freedom" means, pragmatically.=C2- Certainly no one wants total ana
rchy.=C2- Flying, the way we define the activity, is so much a symbol of
freedom.=C2- We need more folks watching the watch dogs.=C2- We need fo
lks, like Bruce's wife,=C2-to get involved, or, by fiat, these freedoms w
e have will be curtailed.=C2- Kurt Vonnegut where are you?=C2-
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home ba
se, 7s9.=C2- She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
Burbank=C2-one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pi
lots had to say.=C2- She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their co
ncerns.=C2- Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear.=C2-
By the 27th of this month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regul
ations.=C2- The "book" is 261 pages of rules and guidelines.
Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are pa
rt of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.=C2
- Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary.=C2
- This long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe,
a total waste of energy.=C2- The small commercial operation affected wil
l have to provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each
aircraft and person boarding.=C2- I can see the closing of businesses due
to the increased regulations and costs placed on them.=C2- It looks like
they've been given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
going to get really deep....
Bruce
40018
==
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Hey, Brian. How's the Cirrus running? Hope you can come up to Albany this
Spring for the RV-10 gathering. Once an RV-10 builder, always an RV-10
builder!
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:47 AM
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Hello John!
Thank you for that! I love it! Get the H off our field! I would have loved
to see that! Ha Ha HA...
We will look for a field like that also, or igve up flying before we allow
any intrusion into our freedom when it comes to flying. We wrote Phil Boyer
before who agreed with me about the tsa.
Brian Preston
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And what about the 45,000+ Americans who die on our nations highways
annually? TSA money would be better spent giving those worthless TSA morons
a radar gun and monitoring highway speeds.
Chuck
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dj Merrill" <deej@deej.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
>
> bruce breckenridge wrote:
>> It would be great if EVERYONE failed to comply. Might send a message,
>> but at the expense of many who might pay a high price for standing firm.
>
>
> I'm convinced you are correct, and that is probably the only way to
> convince the gov't to get rid of the menace that the TSA presents to the
> US and our way of life.
>
> -Dj
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
Jay,
I debated about this also. Fortunately I got Van's high temp sealant before they
stopped shipping it. Rather than seal the firewall flange, I sealed the aft
side of the firewall to fuselage skins.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Cowl hinge sealant? |
There are many sources that sell (approved) sealants that are now
currently impacted by Hazmat shipping procedures and Hazmat charges.
The secret is to find the closest geographic vendor and post here. I
remember someone posted that they had found their local source. My CRS
thinks it was Rick in Las Vegas. Another would be for one builder to buy
in bulk, repackage smaller to friends and effect the transfer without
triggering Hazmat shipping procedures at a builder "Get together".
The question about bother is, "Why seal?" Some sealants are used as an
adhesive, others are used to slow flame propagation, some are to protect
an underlying component, others to reduce moisture or hydro-carbon
infiltration. When and what to use, that is the decision of each RV-10
builder.
We have an Eco-Nazi at work that even makes sure our old material is
"Compliant Discarded". Once it is catalyzed and cured, it is no longer
hazmat but that doesn't stop the brown shirts with cameras and pens once
they are empowered. Oh Lord, help the poor sole who uses a product that
is out of date or not correctly mixed. If they put it in the wrong
discard barrel - they are taken out and summarily shot. I think their
ashes are sent into space with Gene Roddenberry's.
PPG/DeSoto's Proseal line of products is diverse and complex.
Flamemaster sealants are not ProSeal but do have similar Milspec product
compliance. This thread is a good one much like acrylic adhesive
selection because so much is based on some builders who went before us,
tribal knowledge on the web and rumors passed on in cryptic code. Every
part and product we used is selected by US not just a world class parts
manufacturer from Oregon. We set our standard and by the recent
pictures, the bar is moving up all the time.
Bring On OSH '09 and a Grand Champion.
John
PS - Note from the archives: PRC-DeSoto ProSeal(tm)Information Phone
number 818-240-2040
14126 NE 190th Street, Woodinville, WA USA 98072 (used and supplied
Worldwide) for our friends across the pond
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cowl hinge sealant?
<rickbarnes@highlanddental.com>
On the Van's high-temp sealant: I talked with them several months ago
and
the issue has to do with hazardous materials. In order to handle and
ship a
hazardous material the people at Van's have to be certified to handle
the
material. Van's doesn't want to pay for all of the government
certification
hassle.
Rick
Before I rivet on my firewall side cowl hinges... I recall adding
sealant to
the lower firewall to fuse tabs. Section 41-8 says rivet it all
together,
but doesn't mention any sealant. Seems like a good idea, but why bother
if
it's not a problem?
What have others done?
I noticed that Vans firewall high-temp sealant is marked "We are
temporarily
unable to ship this product.
Thanks,
Jay
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08:24:00
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
Nah, speed isn't the killer, stupidity is. I think the
TSA folk need to sit by the roadside with a "Stupid gun".
Except it would probably always go off, due to their
own proximity.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chuck Weyant wrote:
>
> And what about the 45,000+ Americans who die on our nations highways
> annually? TSA money would be better spent giving those worthless TSA
> morons a radar gun and monitoring highway speeds.
> Chuck
>
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| Subject: | MT prop governor rotation - final position |
I need to position my MT prop governor to set the opening in the fwd baffle on
the left front area of the engine. I know that you loosen the six screws that
retain the governor arm. You only loosen the screws - DO NOT REMOVE. Then you
can rotate the arm part of the prop governor. This related to me by Jurgen at
MT.
Question: What is the final position of the arm on the MT prop governor?
It looks like the passive position of the arm should be in the 10:00 position as
you look at it from the pilot side. Could anyone already flying please set me
straight on this.........
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
Paul Bowmar at Plane Innovations LLC (formerly of EPM-AV) has an excellent and
thoroughly tested products.
He sells a 2000 degree silicone seal for his fire protection kits. He will sell
you some at a reasonable price. This stuff should be a lot better than the red
goop........I bought some myself.
Bowmar also sells the stainless steel heater valves to replace the aluminum Van's
valves on the firewall. I consider this a MANDATORY Option (along with the
rivethead door pins and CNC trim blocks) when you are building this kit. It would
be foolish to spend a lot of time on hi-temp sealant and ignore the biggest
risk area on your firewall. As I recall the Plane Innovations SS valves are
$200 and Vans will give you a $100 credit on the aluminum ones deleted from the
kit.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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Verrrry nice :D :D :D :D
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
>
> or give up flying before we allow any intrusion into our freedom when
> it comes to flying.
>
If you give up flying, then you have allowed them to intrude into
your freedoms...
-Dj
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Spacer - Shimmy |
I know this have been mentioned on the list before, but I have some
new experience that I thought I would share to the list. I have
recently checked the need for an additional spacer under the WD-1015
Nose Gear Link Collar. I found that to put a little preload on the
Nose Gear Elastomers, I had to add 2 spacers for a total of 3 after
the elastomers had seated. This definitely seems to help the shimmy
issue. Also, on the nose gear axle, with the newer Van's spacers and
after turning about 1/16" off the end of the axle (making it shorter
to preload the bearings with the spacers), there seems to be no
movement of the spacer or bearing after substantial use. The key, I
think, is to shorten the axle a little bit. I have seen that the
Bellville Washers that control the tension on pivoting the fork does
loosen over time, and not just once, which can really cause a shimmy
if loose. The problem is getting the 26 lbs of force that Van's
recommends with a 1/6th turn increment on that castle nut.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | firewall sealant and valve option |
I have been working with Paul to modify the heater valves as I believe the
product is very solid and seeing the RV-7 vents that have small lips around
them I asked if he would make one like those for the RV-10. I believe he is
working on this and it will be a Must have as Mike has mentioned.
I am rather certain that the hot tunnel will be diminished. I'll report back
once I have the new valve and have completed the heat gun test. I trust
based on the products so far that it will be a worthwhile investment. My
reasoning is what good is a stainless steel firewall with a weak aluminum
valve that gaps/leaks when there is the option to have stainless steel valve
that has lips that blocks the gaps.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cowl hinge sealant?
>
> Paul Bowmar at Plane Innovations LLC (formerly of EPM-AV) has an excellent
> and thoroughly tested products.
>
> He sells a 2000 degree silicone seal for his fire protection kits. He will
> sell you some at a reasonable price. This stuff should be a lot better
> than the red goop........I bought some myself.
>
> Bowmar also sells the stainless steel heater valves to replace the
> aluminum Van's valves on the firewall. I consider this a MANDATORY Option
> (along with the rivethead door pins and CNC trim blocks) when you are
> building this kit. It would be foolish to spend a lot of time on hi-temp
> sealant and ignore the biggest risk area on your firewall. As I recall the
> Plane Innovations SS valves are $200 and Vans will give you a $100 credit
> on the aluminum ones deleted from the kit.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228510#228510
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Spacer - Shimmy |
I know that on Mooneys, no play at all is allowable for the nose gear
shock disks..probably exact same parts from Lord. In fact, when new
there is a LOT of force compressing those disks. Once they age to
where there isn't pre-tension on the disks, they need to be replaced
on Mooneys.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> I know this have been mentioned on the list before, but I have some new
> experience that I thought I would share to the list. I have recently
> checked the need for an additional spacer under the WD-1015 Nose Gear Link
> Collar. I found that to put a little preload on the Nose Gear Elastomers, I
> had to add 2 spacers for a total of 3 after the elastomers had seated. This
> definitely seems to help the shimmy issue. Also, on the nose gear axle,
> with the newer Van's spacers and after turning about 1/16" off the end of
> the axle (making it shorter to preload the bearings with the spacers), there
> seems to be no movement of the spacer or bearing after substantial use. The
> key, I think, is to shorten the axle a little bit. I have seen that the
> Bellville Washers that control the tension on pivoting the fork does loosen
> over time, and not just once, which can really cause a shimmy if loose. The
> problem is getting the 26 lbs of force that Van's recommends with a 1/6th
> turn increment on that castle nut.
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
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| Subject: | New TSA Security Requirements |
North Las Vegas is going the 139 Route as fast as Randy Walker can make it happen.
Bob K
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
>
> or give up flying before we allow any intrusion into our freedom when
> it comes to flying.
>
If you give up flying, then you have allowed them to intrude into
your freedoms...
-Dj
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| Subject: | New TSA Security Requirements |
Thanks for letting me know; I will cancel the trip to Circus Circus for the
kids.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
North Las Vegas is going the 139 Route as fast as Randy Walker can make it
happen.
Bob K
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
>
> or give up flying before we allow any intrusion into our freedom when
> it comes to flying.
>
If you give up flying, then you have allowed them to intrude into your
freedoms...
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
So what does this mean if you are a transient aircraft at KHIO? That's where
I go when I'm in Portland.
-Jim
n312je
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM, bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge@gmail.com
> wrote:
> My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home
> base, 7s9. She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
> Burbank one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pilots
> had to say. She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their concerns.
> Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear. By the 27th of this
> month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regulations. The "book" is
> 261 pages of rules and guidelines.
>
> Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are
> part of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
>
> Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.
> Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary. This
> long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe, a total
> waste of energy. The small commercial operation affected will have to
> provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each aircraft
> and person boarding. I can see the closing of businesses due to the
> increased regulations and costs placed on them. It looks like they've been
> given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
> We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
> going to get really deep....
>
> Bruce
> 40018
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Patrick ONeill <poneill@irealms.com>wrote:
>
>> At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots
>> operating out of Part 139 airports take effect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the
>> new rules (KSNA). I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
>> airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and
>> access badge for continued ramp access.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know most of you operate out of smaller fields. But I figured I'd see
>> if any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience. Anyone
>> else been through it yet?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick #40715
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
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>>
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>>
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Here's an excerpt from the FAQ sent out by a local flight school regarding
the new rules at KSNA. According to this, it only affects you if you are
based at one of the affected airports, not if you fly to one.
B Rules
1. Individuals who have been issued badges will enter at one of the two
standard
gates, using the badge and a PIN of their own choosing. You are not required
to
display the badge, but you must have it available in the event someone
official
wants to see it.
2. Our current hang tags will remain in use to indicate authorization to
operate and
park a vehicle on the ramp.
3. There are no substantive changes for your passengers. Once you have been
issued your badge, you may escort members of your party onto the ramp, where
you will be responsible for their movements.
4. When you travel to other Part 139 airports you will not be affected by
these new
rules: it is assumed that transient pilots will exit and enter the airport
through
FBOs that take responsibility for ramp access.
Here's a link to their full guide if you are curious:
http://www.sunriseaviation.com/Security_Instructions.pdf
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James McGrew
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
So what does this mean if you are a transient aircraft at KHIO? That's where
I go when I'm in Portland.
-Jim
n312je
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM, bruce breckenridge
<bbreckenridge@gmail.com> wrote:
My wife is the ASN (Airport Support Network) representative for our home
base, 7s9. She has really taken this TSA thing to heart and attended in
Burbank one of the only 5 or 6 hearings TSA put on to hear what GA pilots
had to say. She and 74 others had 3 minutes each to say their concerns.
Most conveyed facts, which is what they wanted to hear. By the 27th of this
month, they plan to hand down the next doling of regulations. The "book" is
261 pages of rules and guidelines.
Only 2 airports in Oregon will feel the change you mention, and both are
part of the Portland system: Troutdale (KTTD) and Hillsboro (KHIO).
Setting up increased securities in the airline industry was one thing.
Really irritating at times, but probably inevitable and necessary. This
long handed reach into the smaller towered airports is, I believe, a total
waste of energy. The small commercial operation affected will have to
provide and pay for the TSA approved employees to check out each aircraft
and person boarding. I can see the closing of businesses due to the
increased regulations and costs placed on them. It looks like they've been
given too much freedom to act in the name of "security".
We sure hope it stops soon, yet all indications are that the "red tape" is
going to get really deep....
Bruce
40018
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Patrick ONeill <poneill@irealms.com> wrote:
At the end of this month the new TSA security requirements for pilots
operating out of Part 139 airports take effect.
Unfortunately for me, my primary airport is one of those affected by the new
rules (KSNA). I get to make the first of two trips this week to the
airport's administrative office to apply for a TSA background check and
access badge for continued ramp access.
I know most of you operate out of smaller fields. But I figured I'd see if
any other list members have had the pleasure of this experience. Anyone
else been through it yet?
I'm hoping it's pretty benign as far as red tape goes.
Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | New TSA Security Requirements |
At KBED, you just arranged to get in and out of the fence through an FBO.
I'm guessing that would hold for HIO. Two flying RV-10's there. You could
always hook up with them for the procedures. Any reason for HIO? Nicer
places to land, cheaper fuel.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James McGrew
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
So what does this mean if you are a transient aircraft at KHIO? That's where
I go when I'm in Portland.
-Jim
n312je
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Hasn't happened yet Dave but he wants it.
Bob K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
Thanks for letting me know; I will cancel the trip to Circus Circus for the
kids.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
North Las Vegas is going the 139 Route as fast as Randy Walker can make it
happen.
Bob K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
>
> or give up flying before we allow any intrusion into our freedom when
> it comes to flying.
>
If you give up flying, then you have allowed them to intrude into your
freedoms...
-Dj
do not archive
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There also is Henderson as an alternative.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Bob Kaufmann <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Hasn't happened yet Dave but he wants it.
>
> Bob K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
>
>
> Thanks for letting me know; I will cancel the trip to Circus Circus for the
> kids.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kaufmann
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:05 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
>
>
> North Las Vegas is going the 139 Route as fast as Randy Walker can make it
> happen.
>
> Bob K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
>
>
> cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> or give up flying before we allow any intrusion into our freedom when
>> it comes to flying.
>>
>
> If you give up flying, then you have allowed them to intrude into your
> freedoms...
>
> -Dj
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New TSA Security Requirements |
Hello John!
=C2-We would love to fly up and join you this year! Thank you. We are sta
rting the Farmers' market in April on Saturday, since our farm has not sold
yet. Th e price is down now and ma y sell this spring- can't count on that
though.=C2-We may not go to every market early on. When is the gathering
?
We sold that Cirrus because our house didn't sell, and lots of things kept
needing maintenance; thank God=C2-it was=C2-under warrantee! We finally
flew it to Scottsdale and sold it there. Then we found a low time 79 Grumm
an Tiger that is really nice. Since Ruth flew those for over 30 years we bo
ught it in Alabama from a retired=C2- 747 pilot. Flew it home. Affordable
and fun! We go to Independence a lot. Our mechanic lives there.=C2-When
we do sell the farm we may still be in the market for an RV-10 project that
is much closer to completion if the economy comes back.
Talk to you soon. Please let us know when and where John. Thanks again.
Brian and Ruth
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:02:59 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
Hey, Brian.=C2- How's the Cirrus running?=C2- Hope you can come up to A
lbany this Spring for the RV-10 gathering.=C2- Once an RV-10=C2-builder
, always an RV-10 builder!=C2-
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
Hello John!
=C2-Thank you for that! I love it! Get the H off our field! I would have
loved to see that! Ha Ha HA...
=C2-We will look for a field like that also, or igve up flying before we
allow any intrusion into our freedom=C2- when it comes to flying. We wrot
e Phil Boyer before who agreed with me about the tsa.
Brian Preston
==
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They are already trying to intrude. We have no power, but I wouldnt accept
direct violations=C2-of my rights. Id leave first or I would end up going
to jail if a tsa agent tried to violate my rights. We are not commercial a
viation. They have no business harassing small plane=C2- pilots. I agree
. We get intruded on whatever happens unless our representatives stem the p
ower grab by homeland security with their egregious proposals, ie. the 12,5
00 lb rule proposal. I called AOPA this morning and reported what happened
here. I also wrote my senators and congressman. This is all I can do for no
w.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dj Merrill" <deej@deej.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 1:03:21 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New TSA Security Requirements
cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
>
> or give up flying before we allow any intrusion into our freedom =C2-wh
en
> it comes to flying.
>
=C2-=C2- =C2-If you give up flying, then you have allowed them to int
rude into
your freedoms...
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Spacer - Shimmy |
Jesse Saint wrote:
SNIP
> I have seen that the Bellville Washers that control the tension on
> pivoting the fork does loosen over time, and not just once, which can
> really cause a shimmy if loose. The problem is getting the 26 lbs of
> force that Van's recommends with a 1/6th turn increment on that castle
> nut.
More is better .... at least on my Grumman which has the same setup.
The specs for the Grumman are 25 Lbs, measured by pull at the axle, but
experience is that near 30 is better. Different scenarios in stacking
the washers also makes a difference. Stacking two washers belly up and
two washers belly down should help with the loosening problem. since I
haven't gotten that far, I have no idea how Van recommends stacking the
washers.
Linn
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | THrottle Cable Length |
Was the chatter a while back about insufficient throttle cable length
for the quadrant or the vernier style throttle?
-Chris
#40072
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