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1. 07:08 AM - Installing Door Windows (orchidman)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: Installing Door Windows (pascal)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Installing Door Windows (Fred Williams, M.D.)
4. 07:58 AM - Kits (Kelly McMullen)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: Kits (Vernon Smith)
6. 09:36 AM - Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (jayb)
7. 10:35 AM - Antenna Mounting - Sealant vs Gasket? (jayb)
8. 10:53 AM - Re: Antenna Mounting - Sealant vs Gasket? (linn Walters)
9. 11:10 AM - Avionics Liquidation website (jayb)
10. 12:11 PM - Re: Kits (Bob Leffler)
11. 02:05 PM - Re: Avionics Liquidation website (David McNeill)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Kits (Kelly McMullen)
13. 08:25 PM - FW: pre-load axle spacers (John Gonzalez)
14. 09:05 PM - Axle issue (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Installing Door Windows |
The instructions call for installing the windows in the doors while the doors are
not on the plane. While it might be easier that way, I am wondering if there
would be any advantage of bonding the windows while the doors are on the plane,
locked closed.
My thoughts are that it might be possible to induce a small amount of twisting/distortion
when bonded off the plane, vs being bonded on the plane.
Thoughts would be appreciated.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Engine, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Door Windows |
If you're using Weld-on, the stuff runs.. it is MUCH easier to do it on a
table than the plane.
I did it on a table and there was no issue. I would suggest putting the
Weld-on while flat, let it sit (after all the tape is removed) than put it
on the plane after 2 hours, and lock it down, not needed but that would be
be better than the mess that would occur from the weld-on dripping down the
door.
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From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Installing Door Windows
>
> The instructions call for installing the windows in the doors while the
> doors are not on the plane. While it might be easier that way, I am
> wondering if there would be any advantage of bonding the windows while the
> doors are on the plane, locked closed.
> My thoughts are that it might be possible to induce a small amount of
> twisting/distortion when bonded off the plane, vs being bonded on the
> plane.
> Thoughts would be appreciated.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Engine, Fiberglass - SB
> (N2GB registered)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228643#228643
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Door Windows |
orchidman wrote:
>
> The instructions call for installing the windows in the doors while the doors
are not on the plane. While it might be easier that way, I am wondering if there
would be any advantage of bonding the windows while the doors are on the
plane, locked closed.
> My thoughts are that it might be possible to induce a small amount of twisting/distortion
when bonded off the plane, vs being bonded on the plane.
> Thoughts would be appreciated.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Engine, Fiberglass - SB
> (N2GB registered)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228643#228643
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>
>
Much easier to do off the plane. Any small twist will be taken care of
by the hours of filling and sanding at time of final prep for paint.
Dr Fred.
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I note that on Tim's site for what is in the various kits, there are
listings for a firewall forward kit, separate from finishing kit.
However, Vans only lists empennage, fuselage, wing and finishing kits.
Has Vans changed how they package things? Or is that just a convenient
division of parts in the finishing kit?
Kelly
40866
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The firewall forward kit is listed in the web store separately. Here's a li
nk: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1233850394-2-31
8&browse=engines&product=FF_Kit
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
do not archive> Date: Thu=2C 5 Feb 2009 08:57:26 -0700> Subject: RV10-List:
Kits> From: apilot2@gmail.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-Lis
t message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>> > I note that on T
im's site for what is in the various kits=2C there are> listings for a fire
wall forward kit=2C separate from finishing kit.> However=2C Vans only list
s empennage=2C fuselage=2C wing and finishing kits.> Has Vans changed how t
hey package things? Or is that just a convenient> division of parts in the
=======================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
Something like this? Problem is that vendors want to sell it by the case (12).
Jay
http://www.fireretardantsinc.com/3m/images/3m_2000_silicone.pdf
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| Subject: | Antenna Mounting - Sealant vs Gasket? |
A couple of my antennas came with gaskets while others didn't. I spoke with an
avionics guy yesterday and he was of the opinion that one should ditch the gasket
in favor of a silicone sealant.
Any other opinions out there? If sealant, what sort would do the job? Would antennas
need to come off before painting?
Cheers,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Mounting - Sealant vs Gasket? |
I'm not in favor of scrapping the gaskets. They really help in the
problem of dissimilar metals corrosion, and cushion the installation. A
fillet of clear silicone will help keep water out .... and if you're
worried about paint not adhering, there's paintable caulk out there. As
for sealant, I really like the hi-temp red silicone .... for almost
anything.
Linn
jayb wrote:
>
> A couple of my antennas came with gaskets while others didn't. I spoke with an
avionics guy yesterday and he was of the opinion that one should ditch the gasket
in favor of a silicone sealant.
>
> Any other opinions out there? If sealant, what sort would do the job? Would antennas
need to come off before painting?
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228698#228698
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Avionics Liquidation website |
Found this website and got a new COMANT 105 xponder antenna at a reasonable price.
They have all sorts of misc avionics and he's willing to deal...
http://www.jimkantor.com/
Regards,
Jay
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228705#228705
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The firewall kit is highly dependent on which engine you get. There are too
many options, so quite a few folks roll their own. Vans does sell a
firewall kit for the 540 models they sell. It's in their catalog. You
can use those as a starting point if you get an engine from another source.
There is no overlap with the finishing kit. You can see the details here:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1233864459-434-198&bro
wse=engines&product=FF_Kit The following is off the web store.
The RV-10 Firewall Forward Kits below can be ordered with or without a three
lever throttle/prop/mixture quadrant part number "CT10-3". If you opt for
the NON three lever quadrant, your engine control cables will be supplied as
vernier style.
>From December 2007, FWF kits DO NOT contain the wiring harness.
EXAMPLE KIT FOR AN RV-7A, O-360, WITH A CONSTANT-SPEED PROPELLER:
1 VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0"
1 VA-139 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 16.5"
1 CT BLUE VPROP 48 7(ALL)/9(ALL)
1 CT BLK THROTTLE 44 6(ALL)/7(360)/9(320)
1 CT RED VMIXTURE 45 7(360)/9(320)
1 FAB-360/540 FLTRD A/BOX-360 FI320
1 BAF-360 COWL BAFFLE KIT 6/7/8
1 VA-149-360-PC KIT THROTTLE/MIXTURE BRACKET
1 VA-153-PC McCauley or MT governor cable bracket
1 PROP GOV MT P-860-4 (I)O-320/360 LYCOMING
1 AT0-028X3/16X6 ALUMINUM TUBE SOFT
1 AT6-058X5/16X15 7/8 ALUMINUM TUBE HARD
1 SS304-26GAX1/2X9 STAINLESS CLAMP MATERIAL
1 FF 3/4 FIREWALL PL SS FIREWALL PLUG
1 ES PC680 INSTALL KIT BATTERY MOUNT 7/9
1 AS3-063X1X12 ALUMINUM STRIP
1 EA LV-1 HEAT SHIELD EXHAUST HEAT SHIELD
2 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
1 DUCT CBT-5/8 COOLING BLAST TUBE
1 EA CV HOSE 9816 BREATHER HOSE 4 CYL
1 EA DYNA BOLT BOLT SET 4 CYL DYNAFOCAL
4 EA DYNA VI-STD VIB.ISO. ALL EXCEPT-10
1 EA EXH W/MUFF 320/360 EXHAUST SYSTEM
1 EA OIL COOLER II O-320/360 OIL COOLER
1 ES 24021 STARTER SOLENOID RELAY
1 ES 24115 MASTER SOLENOID RELAY
1 ES ALTERNATOR DELUXE 60A KIT W/OV PROTECT
1 FF-705 OIL BREATHER TUBE
1 FF-709 OIL COOLER DOUBLER
1 VA-161 GASCOLATOR DOUBLER
1 IE VMP INSTALL KIT MANIFOLD PRESSURE FITTINGS
1 GAS-5 GASCOLATOR
1 PT-035X1/4X12 FUEL OVERFLOW TUBE
1 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5
1 VA-168 FIREWALL SENDER MOUNT
1 VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25
1 VA-134 OIL COOLER HOSE 19.0
1 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5
1 VENT DL-03 2" ALUMINUM DUCT FLANGE
1 VENT SCAT 2X6' RED SCAT TUBE 2"X 6'
1 VENT TG-10 CABIN HEAT SELECTOR
1 DOC FWF COMPLETE TEXT/DRAWINGS
1 CT BEARING HWR, CARB BOLT, NUT, WASHERS
1 CT BEARING HWR, PROP BOLT, NUT, WASHERS
1 BAG 604-1 FF MISC. HDWRE
1 BAG 607 FF MISC. HDWRE
1 BAG 608 FF MISC. HDWRE
1 BAG 611 FF MISC. HDWRE
1 BAG 613-1 FF MISC. HARDWARE
1 BAG 958 AN426AD3-4
1 BAG 991 AN426AD3-3.5
1 BAG 1907 AN426AD4-7
1 BAG 1916 AN426AD3-4.5
1 BAG 1934 AN426AD3-5
1 BAG 1935 AN426AD3-6
1 BAG 312 AN426AD4-6
1 BAG 1978 AN470AD4-5
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Kits
I note that on Tim's site for what is in the various kits, there are
listings for a firewall forward kit, separate from finishing kit.
However, Vans only lists empennage, fuselage, wing and finishing kits.
Has Vans changed how they package things? Or is that just a convenient
division of parts in the finishing kit?
Kelly
40866
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| Subject: | Avionics Liquidation website |
Have you confirmed that the merchandise is as representeed i.e. new
lightspeed headsets The 30-3G lists for $545. Anybody a clue as to value?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Avionics Liquidation website
Found this website and got a new COMANT 105 xponder antenna at a reasonable
price. They have all sorts of misc avionics and he's willing to deal...
http://www.jimkantor.com/
Regards,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228705#228705
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Thanks for the replies. Appreciate all that. I think it is a bit
disingenuous of Vans to not list it in the kit prices
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/kitprice.htm>, and in the price
estimator to show $3400-4800 when the current price is $6000. Oh well,
won't be the first chunk overlooked in budget. I don't see a whole lot
changing in that kit if you stick with a 540 series engine, regardless
of source, which is perhaps 98% of all RV-10s? Obviously we can choose
to roll own, with the time issues to research, price, order, etc.
Kelly
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> The firewall kit is highly dependent on which engine you get. There are too
> many options, so quite a few folks roll their own. Vans does sell a
> firewall kit for the 540 models they sell. It's in their catalog. You
> can use those as a starting point if you get an engine from another source.
>
> There is no overlap with the finishing kit. You can see the details here:
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1233864459-434-198&bro
> wse=engines&product=FF_Kit The following is off the web store.
>
> T
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| Subject: | FW: pre-load axle spacers |
I received this email today and I am a little confused. I thought I had pur
chased and received this product several weeks ago=2C but I can't seem to l
ocate the box in the shop. I sometimes do not open the boxes until I need t
he item so I may be completely confused the box as it may have been a box f
or a different item. I may have purchased direct from the fabricator?....ca
n anyone shed some light on this. At least to this point=2C I have not star
ted working on the wrong tooth.Reviewing credit card statements.This is why
I don't like it when the family throws their stuff down in the shop...I HA
TE CLUTTER!!!!John Gonzalez 40409 with Old Timers at 42.Date: Thu=2C 5 Feb
2009 16:42:16 -0600Subject: pre-load axle spacersFrom: annette@cleavelandto
ol.comTo: indigoonlatigo@msn.com**an immediate response is needed**
After much discussion between Cleaveland Tool and Effectus=2C a decision wa
s made to produce a one-time-run of the adjustable pre-load axle spacers fo
r the RV10 nose wheel. This action is in consideration of the orders made
prior to Matco producing their own part.
Prices will be:
RV10 axle spacer $170.00
RV6=2C 7=2C 8=2C 9 $180.00 (includes replacement axel)
We want to have an accurate number of axles=3B therefore we ask that you pl
ease respond to this email by Jan 27th.
A positive response will lock you in for the purchase of the axle.
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool www.cleavelandtool.com
515-432-6794
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I think it figured it out. I never had the box nor the item...it was backor
derred and they are asking if I still want it dispite a cheaper option. So
rry for showing my confusion.Yes I still want it and this time I will put t
he item in my hand and then store it. Should need it in a few days.John
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