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1. 05:59 AM - Re: Kits (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 08:37 AM - Flamemaster Shelf Life (Larry Rosen)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: Flamemaster Shelf Life (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
4. 09:19 AM - Re: Flamemaster Shelf Life (Tim Olson)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: Flamemaster Shelf Life (John Cox)
6. 12:12 PM - Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (johngoodman)
7. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (Paul Bowmar)
8. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 02:32 PM - Parking brake (woxofswa)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Cowl hinge sealant? (linn Walters)
11. 04:49 PM - Aileron rigging - Reflex ? (Deems Davis)
12. 04:54 PM - Re: Parking brake (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 04:56 PM - Re: Aileron rigging - Reflex ? (Kelly McMullen)
14. 06:12 PM - Up on its' gear (John Gonzalez)
15. 06:23 PM - Re: Up on its' gear (Steve Mills)
16. 06:42 PM - Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle (Rene)
17. 06:56 PM - Re: Parking brake (Deems Davis)
18. 07:27 PM - Re: Parking brake (Kevin Belue)
19. 07:51 PM - Re: Parking brake (Deems Davis)
20. 08:35 PM - Re: Aileron rigging - Reflex ? (Fred Williams, M.D.)
21. 08:44 PM - Re: Parking brake (Kevin Belue)
22. 09:05 PM - Re: Parking brake (pascal)
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There are definitely cheaper and better options for some of the items for t
he FWF kit. For instance I believe both Bonaco and Aircrafthose.com have k
its to replace the Van's hoses for less money and with integral fire sleeve
. I know I went through and deleted probably about half the items in the F
WF.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Kits
Thanks for the replies. Appreciate all that. I think it is a bit disingenuo
us of Vans to not list it in the kit prices <http://www.vansaircraft.com/pu
blic/kitprice.htm><http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/kitprice.htm>, and in
the price estimator to show $3400-4800 when the current price is $6000. Oh
well, won't be the first chunk overlooked in budget. I don't see a whole l
ot changing in that kit if you stick with a 540 series engine, regardless o
f source, which is perhaps 98% of all RV-10s? Obviously we can choose to ro
ll own, with the time issues to research, price, order, etc.
Kelly
Bob Leffler wrote:
rv@thelefflers.com>
The firewall kit is highly dependent on which engine you get. There are to
o
many options, so quite a few folks roll their own. Vans does sell a
firewall kit for the 540 models they sell. It's in their catalog. You
can use those as a starting point if you get an engine from another source.
There is no overlap with the finishing kit. You can see the details here:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1233864459-434-198&
bro
wse=engines&product=FF_Kit The following is off the web store.
T
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| Subject: | Flamemaster Shelf Life |
I have some expired Flamemaster. Some expired in 2007 and some in
2008. It has spent most of it life since I have had it in the freezer.
Is it still good? How would I know if it is not good.
Larry Rosen
#356
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| Subject: | Re: Flamemaster Shelf Life |
Larry,
Mine was crap after the expiration date...I cured so fast it never made it out
of the tube, that was the firewall sealant...the proseal seemed Ok but I only
used it on the cabin top and naca vents
Rick S.
------Original Message------
From: Larry Rosen
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Feb 6, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flamemaster Shelf Life
I have some expired Flamemaster. Some expired in 2007 and some in
2008. It has spent most of it life since I have had it in the freezer.
Is it still good? How would I know if it is not good.
Larry Rosen
#356
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| Subject: | Re: Flamemaster Shelf Life |
I've still got some from 2004/5 that I've used on some
items. You may just want to test it and see how
it goes. If you're still doing fuel tanks, maybe
then I'd just buy one fresh can though....and call this
stuff spare.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> I have some expired Flamemaster. Some expired in 2007 and some in
> 2008. It has spent most of it life since I have had it in the freezer.
> Is it still good? How would I know if it is not good.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
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| Subject: | Flamemaster Shelf Life |
You mentioned Flamemaster sealant, but I will respond on PPG ProSeal.
Our products at work are tracked for FAA accountability. We are
penalized if caught with expired product in our hands.
The last prepackaged tube of PR-1422B1/2 is in what we call a Semkit
bag. It is hermetically sealed against oxidation of the catalyst. The
package is filled with nitrogen gas to displace oxygen. It was
manufactured in Nov 2008, we received it on November 17th. It formally
expires on August, 2009.
We have a backdoor policy that throws the stuff away (at expiration)and
other mechanics use it in the field for experimental aircraft and those
that the Eco-nazis are not tracking. "All of our sealant is used or
disposed of before the expiration. We have been hit several times by
the FAA. It is $10,000 each occurrence".
I have heard tribal knowledge of refrigeration and sealing it away from
oxygen. I have been told Seal 'a Meal units work great. In metal cans
that is a bit tougher. When expired, the primary sealant dries out,
loses its flow characteristic or the catalyst fails to "light off" the
concoction. B1/2 gives 30 minutes work time. It cures at room temp in
about 24 hours. B 1/4 gives 15 minutes and cures in less than four (we
use it for Line Repairs). The B2 stays workable for 120 minutes and we
have been known to use stuff that has not yet set up 8 hours later for
selected jobs (is used in Heavy Check "C").
When the catalyst goes South, and the final product does not cure. The
applicator (You) get to clean off the expired non cured concoction. At
that point MEK comes into the formulation. This is more information
than RV-10 builders want to read.
The answer: Mix a batch, let it cure, make a judgment call as you are
the manufacturer. The planet will be better for one less batch of
hazmat discarded.
John Cox
#600
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flamemaster Shelf Life
I have some expired Flamemaster. Some expired in 2007 and some in
2008. It has spent most of it life since I have had it in the freezer.
Is it still good? How would I know if it is not good.
Larry Rosen
#356
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
Take a look at this company, as well. I have used their FP200 expanding foam with
excellent results. This caulk looks like it might fit your needs.
http://cableorganizer.com/3m-fire-protection/fire-rated-caulk-cp310.htm
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
The problem I found with intumescent fire block products is that they begin
to intumess or expand at about 250 degrees. Close proximity to 400 degree
cylinder heads could touch off the expansion leaving future voids. Plane
Innovations sells a NON intumescent 2000 degree fireblock sealant.
www.planeinnovations.com
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cowl hinge sealant?
>
> Take a look at this company, as well. I have used their FP200 expanding
> foam with excellent results. This caulk looks like it might fit your
> needs.
>
> http://cableorganizer.com/3m-fire-protection/fire-rated-caulk-cp310.htm
>
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228937#228937
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
There's no need to get Intumescent caulk online, it can be had at any local hardware
store.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cowl hinge sealant?
Take a look at this company, as well. I have used their FP200 expanding foam with
excellent results. This caulk looks like it might fit your needs.
http://cableorganizer.com/3m-fire-protection/fire-rated-caulk-cp310.htm
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
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I would appreciate the brain trust opinion on parking brake installation.
I have one in my Socata and find it very useful. Are there downsides other than
cost and more seals to leak?
Are the Van's valve and install kit the way most are doing it or are there alternatives?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl hinge sealant? |
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> There's no need to get Intumescent caulk online, it can be had at any local hardware
store.
>
> Michael
I had to look it up ..... great scrabble word!!! :-) :
An *intumescent* is a substance which swells as a result of heat
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat> exposure, thus increasing in volume
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume>, and decreasing in density
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density>. Intumescents are typically used
in passive fire protection
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_fire_protection> and, in America,
require listing and approval use and compliance
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listing_and_approval_use_and_compliance>
in their installed configurations in order to comply with the law
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law>.
Linn
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| Subject: | Aileron rigging - Reflex ? |
I have the flaps and ailerons mounted to the wing and the wing is
attached to the fuse. (I don't have the wing tips on yet). It's pretty
straight forward to align the ailerons with the trailing edges of each
flap. However, I recall somewhere seeing/hearing about a 'reflex'
position where the ailerons were rigged 'up' 2-3 degrees on each side.
IIRC correctly this increased performance. What's the experience/advice
from those who are flying?
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....and it's almost put together.....'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake |
Hi Myron,
It's pretty easy to roll your own bracket for mounting. I made mine
from 3/4" angle and Nick Gautier gave me a duplicate of his plate
design that you see between the bracket and valve in the picture
attached that will hold the adel clamp for the vernier cable and
forms the stop for the arm on the valve. The valve, straight
fittings and other odds and ends shouldn't reach $200.00... and you
can get it all from Spruce.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
N410CF
Progress suddenly slowed by the economy
(all kinds of time, but no money for the panel)
you have the same number of connections to make
On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:31 PM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> I would appreciate the brain trust opinion on parking brake
> installation.
> I have one in my Socata and find it very useful. Are there
> downsides other than cost and more seals to leak?
>
> Are the Van's valve and install kit the way most are doing it or
> are there alternatives?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228974#228974
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron rigging - Reflex ? |
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1233967990-424-648&browse=airframe&product=reflex
talks about it, so I assume it exists. Wondering if this unit is
preferable to the flap positioning system.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I have the flaps and ailerons mounted to the wing and the wing is attached
> to the fuse. (I don't have the wing tips on yet). It's pretty straight
> forward to align the ailerons with the trailing edges of each flap. However,
> I recall somewhere seeing/hearing about a 'reflex' position where the
> ailerons were rigged 'up' 2-3 degrees on each side. IIRC correctly this
> increased performance. What's the experience/advice from those who are
> flying?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....and it's almost put together.....'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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Can someone give me a measurement of how high the fuse bottom is off the gr
ound while the plane is on it's gear.I need to barrow a pallet jack to rais
e my fuse holder off the ground and I want to barrow it and return it in th
e same day.Thanks=2CJOhn G.
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Mine is 27", measured at the landing gear.
Steve Mills
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Up on its' gear
Can someone give me a measurement of how high the fuse bottom is off the
ground while the plane is on it's gear.
I need to barrow a pallet jack to raise my fuse holder off the ground and I
want to barrow it and return it in the same day.
Thanks,
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle |
Rene'
801-721-6080
Got an e-mail from Matco today saying they charged my CC, so I gave them a
call and yes they were preparing to ship a whole bunch of the axles. Since
I am only about 20 miles from them I just asked them to hold mine and ran
down and got it. Very nice company to work with.
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake |
Myron, I think the parking brake is a 'no-brainer'. I assume that Van's
is selling the Matco unit. The installation is straight forward, as far
as seals go, The unit is fairly simple and easily serviced. I doubt that
you will have a leak in the airplanes useful life. Do it! (its only money!)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake |
I installed the Matco parking brake in my RV10 and it didn't leak
until I started using my brakes for engine runup. Then it started
leaking out of the valve (not the fittings), so I removed it.
Kevin Belue
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Myron, I think the parking brake is a 'no-brainer'. I assume that
> Van's is selling the Matco unit. The installation is straight
> forward, as far as seals go, The unit is fairly simple and easily
> serviced. I doubt that you will have a leak in the airplanes useful
> life. Do it! (its only money!)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake |
Wow, That's news, I wonder if others have also had the same problem?
Looking at the parts diagram it looks like you should be able to replace
the 3 O-rings fairly
easily.http://matco.veracart.com/pdf/mastercylinder23a.pdf
I wonder if you could get the Vitron O-rings this size?
Deems
Kevin Belue wrote:
>
> I installed the Matco parking brake in my RV10 and it didn't leak
> until I started using my brakes for engine runup. Then it started
> leaking out of the valve (not the fittings), so I removed it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron rigging - Reflex ? |
Deems;
Put the flaps up in the reflex position and then line up the ailerons.
You really have to have the wingtips on before you can set the
ailerons. The cruise position is to have everything in the "reflex"
position.
Alex D. taught me to drop the flaps from the reflex to the neutral on
downwind. It helps slow you down.
Fred
Cant wait to see you get done.
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I have the flaps and ailerons mounted to the wing and the wing is
> attached to the fuse. (I don't have the wing tips on yet). It's
> pretty straight forward to align the ailerons with the trailing edges
> of each flap. However, I recall somewhere seeing/hearing about a
> 'reflex' position where the ailerons were rigged 'up' 2-3 degrees on
> each side. IIRC correctly this increased performance. What's the
> experience/advice from those who are flying?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....and it's almost put together.....'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake |
Yes, I was thinking it would be easy to repair, but after the pain of
getting to it and removing it, I decided to not go through that again
and left it out. It is really in a difficult place to access once
everything is finished. I mounted mine the same as most of you did- in
place of the bracket that holds the brake lines to the firewall. I
hope you guys have better luck than I did.
Kevin Belue
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Wow, That's news, I wonder if others have also had the same problem?
> Looking at the parts diagram it looks like you should be able to
> replace the 3 O-rings fairly easily.http://matco.veracart.com/pdf/
> mastercylinder23a.pdf
> I wonder if you could get the Vitron O-rings this size?
>
> Deems
>
>
> Kevin Belue wrote:
>>
>> I installed the Matco parking brake in my RV10 and it didn't leak
>> until I started using my brakes for engine runup. Then it started
>> leaking out of the valve (not the fittings), so I removed it.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake |
I would let Matco know of this. I think they would make it right based on my
experience with them thus far. Also if there is an issue, which I can't
figure out why the valve would fail so soon then they need to be aware of
it. Since yours is out already no harm calling Matco explaining the issue
and seeing if they will RMA and fix for you and figure out why the valves
are leaking.
P
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parking brake
>
> Wow, That's news, I wonder if others have also had the same problem?
> Looking at the parts diagram it looks like you should be able to replace
> the 3 O-rings fairly
> easily.http://matco.veracart.com/pdf/mastercylinder23a.pdf
> I wonder if you could get the Vitron O-rings this size?
>
> Deems
>
>
> Kevin Belue wrote:
>>
>> I installed the Matco parking brake in my RV10 and it didn't leak until I
>> started using my brakes for engine runup. Then it started leaking out of
>> the valve (not the fittings), so I removed it.
>>
>
>
>
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