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1. 07:27 AM - computer simulation of paint scheme (John Gonzalez)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: RV-10 overhead consoles for sale (Steve)
3. 07:47 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (linn Walters)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (John Gonzalez)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (Rene Felker)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (pascal)
7. 08:39 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (John Trollinger)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (Robin Marks)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 27 Msgs - 02/08/09 (Len Aune)
10. 08:55 AM - Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Tim Olson)
11. 09:14 AM - Firewall insulation (jayb)
12. 09:27 AM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (David Maib)
13. 09:27 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (John Cox)
14. 09:36 AM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Robin Marks)
15. 09:36 AM - Re: Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Panel (Jesse Saint)
16. 09:42 AM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (jim@CombsFive.Com)
17. 10:05 AM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Tim Olson)
18. 10:46 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (tom.on.the.road@juno.com)
19. 10:59 AM - Re: Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Panel (Bob Turner)
20. 11:10 AM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Bob Turner)
21. 12:04 PM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (Robin Marks)
22. 12:19 PM - Dreams of 1,000 (John Cox)
23. 12:35 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Tim Olson)
24. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (jim@CombsFive.Com)
25. 12:43 PM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (tom.on.the.road@juno.com)
26. 12:44 PM - Re: Firewall insulation (AirMike)
27. 01:09 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
28. 01:22 PM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (linn Walters)
29. 01:37 PM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (linn Walters)
30. 02:06 PM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Vernon Smith)
31. 03:56 PM - Re: RV-10 overhead consoles for sale - SOLD (Carl Froehlich)
32. 03:59 PM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (Lenny Iszak)
33. 04:41 PM - Re: Firewall insulation (dogsbark@comcast.net)
34. 05:07 PM - Re: Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Interior (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
35. 06:43 PM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Tom Ganster)
36. 07:08 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Ron Walker)
37. 07:49 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (richard sipp)
38. 08:06 PM - Re: Firewall insulation (Patrick Thyssen)
39. 08:12 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Deems Davis)
40. 08:23 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Scott Schmidt)
41. 08:33 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (McGANN, Ron)
42. 08:39 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Tim Olson)
43. 08:39 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Tim Olson)
44. 08:51 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Ron Walker)
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| Subject: | computer simulation of paint scheme |
Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that allows
one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different angles.
I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but it w
as a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half the cost of
actual painting the plane.
Thanks=2C
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | RV-10 overhead consoles for sale |
For any of you that did not get an overhead console, here is a document you
might be interested in.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Wik
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 overhead consoles for sale
Looks like I was too slow
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Jay Wik <jaycwik@gmail.com> wrote:
Car, I'll take one off your hands.
Jay Wik
16888 River Oaks Blvd
Fergus Falls, MN 56537
218-205-5742
I can send you a check if you like... let me know.
Jay (bld #40536)
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
wrote:
I purchased two Accuracy Avionics overhead panels for my project and for a
friend's project. http://www.accuracyavionics.com/v1/fiberglassoptions.html
We decided not to install an overhead console. They are as received from
Accuracy Avionics. Selling them for $275 each plus shipping - half of what
I paid.
Carl Froehlich
540 371-8482
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
I hate paying someone else to do what I can do for free. The simplest
thing I've found is to import a 3-view into your favorite paint
program. You can even cut and paste from a flying example picture. I
don't need to rotate in 3-D to picture the results. You'll fine-tune
the picture when you lay it out on the airplane to shoot paint. It was
easier years ago when mostly straight lines prevailed, but now the
'swoosh' style is prevalent and will make drawing the lines a little
more difficult. Once you have the lines drawn, however using the 'fill'
tool makes it really easy to change colors.
Linn
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that
> allows one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different
> angles.
>
> I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but
> it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half
> the cost of actual painting the plane.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | computer simulation of paint scheme |
Thanks Linn=2C
So what is your favorite paint program?
JOhn> Date: Mon=2C 9 Feb 2009 10:45:52 -0500> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.n
et> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: computer simulatio
ilot@bellsouth.net>> > I hate paying someone else to do what I can do for f
ree. The simplest > thing I've found is to import a 3-view into your favori
te paint > program. You can even cut and paste from a flying example pictur
e. I > don't need to rotate in 3-D to picture the results. You'll fine-tune
> the picture when you lay it out on the airplane to shoot paint. It was >
easier years ago when mostly straight lines prevailed=2C but now the > 'sw
oosh' style is prevalent and will make drawing the lines a little > more di
fficult. Once you have the lines drawn=2C however using the 'fill' > tool m
akes it really easy to change colors.> Linn> > John Gonzalez wrote:> > Does
anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that > > allows
one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different > > angles.>
> > > I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service bu
t > > it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half >
> the cost of actual painting the plane.> > > > Thanks=2C> > > > JOhn G.>
====================> > >
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| Subject: | computer simulation of paint scheme |
I used x-plane.........but it is not real easy.......but it is cool to see
it flying.....
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
I hate paying someone else to do what I can do for free. The simplest
thing I've found is to import a 3-view into your favorite paint
program. You can even cut and paste from a flying example picture. I
don't need to rotate in 3-D to picture the results. You'll fine-tune
the picture when you lay it out on the airplane to shoot paint. It was
easier years ago when mostly straight lines prevailed, but now the
'swoosh' style is prevalent and will make drawing the lines a little
more difficult. Once you have the lines drawn, however using the 'fill'
tool makes it really easy to change colors.
Linn
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that
> allows one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different
> angles.
>
> I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but
> it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half
> the cost of actual painting the plane.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
this is the company you mention but they also have a tool one can use.
http://www.aircraftpaintschemes.com/linedraw_details_guest.asp?AircraftID
=385
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From: John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that
allows one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different
angles.
I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but
it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half the
cost of actual painting the plane.
Thanks,
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
GIMP is a great full featured open source image editing tool
http://www.gimp.org/
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> I used x-plane.........but it is not real easy.......but it is cool to see
> it flying.....
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:46 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
>
>
> I hate paying someone else to do what I can do for free. The simplest
> thing I've found is to import a 3-view into your favorite paint
> program. You can even cut and paste from a flying example picture. I
> don't need to rotate in 3-D to picture the results. You'll fine-tune
> the picture when you lay it out on the airplane to shoot paint. It was
> easier years ago when mostly straight lines prevailed, but now the
> 'swoosh' style is prevalent and will make drawing the lines a little
> more difficult. Once you have the lines drawn, however using the 'fill'
> tool makes it really easy to change colors.
> Linn
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that
>> allows one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different
>> angles.
>>
>> I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but
>> it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half
>> the cost of actual painting the plane.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JOhn G.
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | computer simulation of paint scheme |
John,
I labored a lot over the paint scheme. In fact the plane is in paint now
and I still think I should have gone a completely different direction.
It can make one nuts. Early in the process I drew a blank outline of an
RV-10 and posted it online including downloadable versions in .ai, .eps
and .jpg forms. I started with a lot of hand drawings then with the
illustrator file you can make a clipping mask and use the various
illustrator tools to add color, designs, N numbers. Basically anything
you can think of to prevent you from actually building the plane.
Good luck,
Robin
Downloadable files:
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv10/index.aspx
end result:
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/paint.htm
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that
allows one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different
angles.
I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but
it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half the
cost of actual painting the plane.
Thanks,
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 27 Msgs - 02/08/09 |
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| Subject: | Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
For historical info, here is some history for the insurance on my -10.
2006 $3441
2007 $3389 (Note: Increased hull value $10K...same hull was $3228)
2008 $3087 (Note: TAA program was not yet in place with AIG)
Now comes 2009. I easily qualified for the TAA program, which gives
10% off, and after 400+ hours of RV-10 time, and higher corresponding
total time, my rates are naturally also decreasing.
The dilema is that this year I finally have 2 options, and it's making
it tough on me to decide...and I need to just pull the trigger.
Previously I've been with AIG, on my old plane, and my RV-10. No
claims, so no experience of anything. AIG was the only reasonable
rate at the time, and of course Avemco is always just plain insane
on rates for the -10.
This year, my quotes are:
Global Aerospace $2849
AIG $2709 (or $2774 with expanded coverage)
The problem is that the coverage with Global is so much better
that I'm not sure which way to go anymore. Certainly, with
the expanded coverage with AIG, the rates are so close that I'd
just choose Global.
Here is a comparison to some of the things that are different:
Medical Payments: $10,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Deductable: $0 Global / $100 AIG
Headsets/handheld av. $1,000 Global / $500 AIG
Personal Effects $5,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Hangar Contents $50,000 Global / $25,000 AIG
(hangar damage/unowned)
Search and Rescue $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
Emergency Conditions $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
(runway foaming...)
Precautionary Landing Include Global / Included AIG only expanded
Extended phys damage Included Global / Not offered AIG
(war,sabotage,riots)
Hurricane Reimbursement: Global is far better.
Now, if I want the lowest rate, and skip the Expanded coverage
with AIG, I lose the headset/handheld coverage, personal
effects goes down to $1,000, hangar contents to $10,000,
no coverage for premises, no coverage for Precautionary
landing, no hurricane reimbursement (don't get many in
Wisconsin though. :) ) and no physical damage coverage
for non-owned aircraft.
So clearly, the insurance is better at least in the bullet
points with Global. The question is, the value of the
add-on coverages....and of course, I have no experience with
Global.
Does anyone have any comments, especially positive and negative
experiences in dealing with claims with either?
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Firewall insulation |
I recall seeing a website of aft-side firewall insulation templates that someone
was selling. Does anyone have that info handy? Guess I could crawl around under
there, but it might be easier to cut using a template.
The path of least resistance would be to could use spray adhesive to attach insulation,
but that's a permanent solution that wouldn't allow future inspection.
What other options are there?
I have several yards of insulation received from Abby @ Flightline Interiors.
http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/products/construction/default.asp
Thanks,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229369#229369
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Tim,
I had extensive experience with Global in my professional life and
had no problems. Same with AIG over the years as well. I would have
no problem choosing Global at this time.
David Maib
40559
On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
For historical info, here is some history for the insurance on my -10.
2006 $3441
2007 $3389 (Note: Increased hull value $10K...same hull was $3228)
2008 $3087 (Note: TAA program was not yet in place with AIG)
Now comes 2009. I easily qualified for the TAA program, which gives
10% off, and after 400+ hours of RV-10 time, and higher corresponding
total time, my rates are naturally also decreasing.
The dilema is that this year I finally have 2 options, and it's making
it tough on me to decide...and I need to just pull the trigger.
Previously I've been with AIG, on my old plane, and my RV-10. No
claims, so no experience of anything. AIG was the only reasonable
rate at the time, and of course Avemco is always just plain insane
on rates for the -10.
This year, my quotes are:
Global Aerospace $2849
AIG $2709 (or $2774 with expanded coverage)
The problem is that the coverage with Global is so much better
that I'm not sure which way to go anymore. Certainly, with
the expanded coverage with AIG, the rates are so close that I'd
just choose Global.
Here is a comparison to some of the things that are different:
Medical Payments: $10,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Deductable: $0 Global / $100 AIG
Headsets/handheld av. $1,000 Global / $500 AIG
Personal Effects $5,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Hangar Contents $50,000 Global / $25,000 AIG
(hangar damage/unowned)
Search and Rescue $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
Emergency Conditions $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
(runway foaming...)
Precautionary Landing Include Global / Included AIG only expanded
Extended phys damage Included Global / Not offered AIG
(war,sabotage,riots)
Hurricane Reimbursement: Global is far better.
Now, if I want the lowest rate, and skip the Expanded coverage
with AIG, I lose the headset/handheld coverage, personal
effects goes down to $1,000, hangar contents to $10,000,
no coverage for premises, no coverage for Precautionary
landing, no hurricane reimbursement (don't get many in
Wisconsin though. :) ) and no physical damage coverage
for non-owned aircraft.
So clearly, the insurance is better at least in the bullet
points with Global. The question is, the value of the
add-on coverages....and of course, I have no experience with
Global.
Does anyone have any comments, especially positive and negative
experiences in dealing with claims with either?
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | computer simulation of paint scheme |
My database has almost every painted RV-10 in the world in it. http://www.
schemedesigners.com/ is by far the largest producer of aircraft schemes use
d by paint shops applying the creation of two dimensional graphics to a thr
ee dimentional object. Craig Barnett does presentation at OSH each year an
d has a pallet of airline, certified production aircraft and kitbuilds to h
is credit.
Wayne Edgerton, the late Mark Ritter, Scott Schmidt and of course Mark Cham
berlain are great resources for striking original paint schemes which quick
ly get ripped off by copy artists - as direct and identical clones. Someti
mes it goes right down to the exact paint colors and break lines in the lay
out, which may have been copyrighted by the designer/client.
However, computer simulation is different than those of the static two or t
hree view graphics in a flat document. The computer simulation makes for a
n exciting question indeed. My favorite scheme done by Craig is N900EM on
an Embraer corporate jet out of Vegas. It utilized the natural flow lines
of the three dimensional object, complementary colors and striking graphic
s which denote speed, beauty and elegance in one final product - whether it
is sitting "Static on the Ramp" at night or "On the Perch at V1" for lifto
ff.
Neil Colliver has none a unique job has have the Russians, the Poles and n
ow Dan Benua with #40001 (IMHO). I will continue reading with interest the
answers on simulation program. That bar continues to raise higher with mo
re beautiful products arriving weekly.
John Cox
From: pascal
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
this is the company you mention but they also have a tool one can use. http
://www.aircraftpaintschemes.com/linedraw_details_guest.asp?AircraftID=385
P
From: John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that allows
one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different angles.
I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service but it w
as a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half the cost of
actual painting the plane.
Thanks,
JOhn G.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Tim,
I have no experience with either company however since your
highest coverage cost ($2,849) is still far less than you were use to
paying (2006-2008) you might as well go with the company proving "so
much better" coverage (your words). When you look at the individual line
items like Personal Effects and consider your table PC or various other
electronic doodads you probably have in your -10 that may be enough
alone to make a decision. The difference in Hangar Coverage is
significant. I don't know what is involved in Hangar Coverage but when
things go wrong in a hangar they can go wrong in a big way (fire,
tornado, crushing snow, auto/aircraft impact). Quick story... a friend
had his mechanic pull his freshly painted Aero Commander out for some
reason. The mechanic jumped out of the plane with the plane on a SLIGHT
incline. It slowly rolled into my neighbors hangar taking out the nose
wheel etc... $60,000 later for the plane and $9,000 later for the hangar
all is good as new...I suggest with numbers this close you go for the
higher coverage (assuming all other factors are acceptable).
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion
For historical info, here is some history for the insurance on my -10.
2006 $3441
2007 $3389 (Note: Increased hull value $10K...same hull was $3228)
2008 $3087 (Note: TAA program was not yet in place with AIG)
Now comes 2009. I easily qualified for the TAA program, which gives
10% off, and after 400+ hours of RV-10 time, and higher corresponding
total time, my rates are naturally also decreasing.
The dilema is that this year I finally have 2 options, and it's making
it tough on me to decide...and I need to just pull the trigger.
Previously I've been with AIG, on my old plane, and my RV-10. No
claims, so no experience of anything. AIG was the only reasonable
rate at the time, and of course Avemco is always just plain insane
on rates for the -10.
This year, my quotes are:
Global Aerospace $2849
AIG $2709 (or $2774 with expanded coverage)
The problem is that the coverage with Global is so much better
that I'm not sure which way to go anymore. Certainly, with
the expanded coverage with AIG, the rates are so close that I'd
just choose Global.
Here is a comparison to some of the things that are different:
Medical Payments: $10,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Deductable: $0 Global / $100 AIG
Headsets/handheld av. $1,000 Global / $500 AIG
Personal Effects $5,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Hangar Contents $50,000 Global / $25,000 AIG
(hangar damage/unowned)
Search and Rescue $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
Emergency Conditions $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
(runway foaming...)
Precautionary Landing Include Global / Included AIG only expanded
Extended phys damage Included Global / Not offered AIG
(war,sabotage,riots)
Hurricane Reimbursement: Global is far better.
Now, if I want the lowest rate, and skip the Expanded coverage
with AIG, I lose the headset/handheld coverage, personal
effects goes down to $1,000, hangar contents to $10,000,
no coverage for premises, no coverage for Precautionary
landing, no hurricane reimbursement (don't get many in
Wisconsin though. :) ) and no physical damage coverage
for non-owned aircraft.
So clearly, the insurance is better at least in the bullet
points with Global. The question is, the value of the
add-on coverages....and of course, I have no experience with
Global.
Does anyone have any comments, especially positive and negative
experiences in dealing with claims with either?
--
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| Subject: | Re: Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Panel |
I would agree with most of Larry's suggestions, but I may go a step
further and recommend that you put in all of the wiring and even trays
for future expansion and just leave out the instruments. IE, put in
wiring and tray for a 430W, but don't spring the $5,000+ for the
instrument yet. Go with an AFS 3500 with an adapter plate that will
let you mount it in the 4500 tray and then swap out when you have the
cash and they have some bugs worked out of the 4500. Wire and tray
for an SL-30 and put in an SL-40. 496 or 396 panel mounted to steer
your A/P. I would not recommend leaving the A/P out at all. The -10
is a good plane and is stable, but cross-country trips without an auto
pilot can be very tiring. Just holding altitude is a lot of busy
work. This thing doesn't trim and hold altitude like an Archer. It
can trim, but if you don't pay attention, you will be 500 feet up or
down in a very short time. You could go with a Digiflight II and the
upgrade to the VSGV later also, if you wanted to, but make sure to get
the trim-sensing servo to start with. If you truly are going basic
VFR, then an audio panel, SL-40, GTX327, AFS 3500 with backup battery
and a compass isn't a bad way to start, with the Digiflight II, of
course. Again, I would wire the plane for future expansion, because
$2,000 can go a long way in easy upgrades when cash is available.
Also, talk to Tim at Approach Fast Stack, as his avionics wiring
solutions are perfect for expansion, as is the Vertical Power system
(start with a VP-100 and upgrade later to the VP-200 if you feel the
need.
Just my $.02 I've only got about 65 hrs PIC in the -10, but probably
have 200 total, and this is what I would do on a budget for a VFR plane.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 7, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> >
>
> This is the panel I want (well, what I really want is a Garmin
> G900X), but the current economic conditions are making it look like
> I'm going to have to work up to this panel instead of getting it all
> at once. I think I'm going to have to start out as a basic VFR
> machine. With that in mind, what is the essential subset here and
> in what order would you add the other items?
>
>
> AFS Advanced Deck with AOA and Battery Back Up
> ARINC 429 Datalink
> GNS 430W
> SL30
> Trutrak Digiflight II VSGV
> GTX 330 Transponder
> PMA9000EX Audio Panel
> Compass
>
> and this:
>
> UMA 2 1/4" Airspeed Indicator
> UMA 2 1/4" Altimeter
> Trutrak 2 1/4" ADI with Battery Back Up
>
> or this:
>
> AFS 3400 and Battery Back Up
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> N410CF (reserved)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Why not back down the hull value. Take the difference in insurance
and bank it specifically for the hull replace should something
happen. Over time, you should be able to reduce the hull amount to
zero and then use interest from the hull money to pay the liability
insurance.
You do plan on keeping the airplane for a
long time don't you?
I know of a person who is doing that and
they are seeing a significant return on their investment. (IE much
lower insurance cost and keeping money in house!)
Just a
thought.
Jim C
N312F Flying!
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Archive
Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
For historical info, here is some
history for the insurance on my -10.
2006 $3441
2007 $3389 (Note: Increased hull value $10K...same hull was $3228)
2008 $3087 (Note: TAA program was not yet in place with AIG)
Now comes 2009. I easily qualified for the TAA program, which gives
10% off, and after 400+ hours of RV-10 time, and higher corresponding
total time, my rates are naturally also decreasing.
The
dilema is that this year I finally have 2 options, and it's making
it
tough on me to decide...and I need to just pull the trigger.
Previously I've been with AIG, on my old plane, and my RV-10. No
claims, so no experience of anything. AIG was the only reasonable
rate at the time, and of course Avemco is always just plain insane
on rates for the -10.
This year, my quotes are:
Global Aerospace $2849
AIG $2709 (or $2774 with expanded
coverage)
The problem is that the coverage with Global is so
much better
that I'm not sure which way to go anymore. Certainly,
with
the expanded coverage with AIG, the rates are so close that
I'd
just choose Global.
Here is a comparison to some of
the things that are different:
Medical Payments: $10,000 Global
/ $3,000 AIG
Deductable: $0 Global / $100 AIG
Headsets/handheld av. $1,000 Global / $500 AIG
Personal
Effects $5,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
Hangar Contents $50,000 Global /
$25,000 AIG
(hangar damage/unowned)
Search and Rescue $25,000
Global / $10,000 AIG
Emergency Conditions $25,000 Global / $10,000
AIG
(runway foaming...)
Precautionary Landing Include Global /
Included AIG only expanded
Extended phys damage Included Global / Not
offered AIG
(war,sabotage,riots)
Hurricane Reimbursement: Global
is far better.
Now, if I want the lowest rate, and skip the
Expanded coverage
with AIG, I lose the headset/handheld coverage,
personal
effects goes down to $1,000, hangar contents to $10,000,
no coverage for premises, no coverage for Precautionary
landing, no
hurricane reimbursement (don't get many in
Wisconsin though. :) ) and
no physical damage coverage
for non-owned aircraft.
So
clearly, the insurance is better at least in the bullet
points with
Global. The question is, the value of the
add-on coverages....and of
course, I have no experience with
Global.
Does
anyone have any comments, especially positive and negative
experiences in dealing with claims with either?
--
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Thanks Robin for the feeback. You too David. To be honest,
I'm leaning towards the Global anyway. Yes, the tablet PC
and stuff is all part of what would be covered and it's covered
for theft too. The thing is, I'd have a hard time submitting
a claim for headsets and tablets if it will cause a rate
increase in another year. So that's why I'm so "insurance shy".
I don't cover my cars heavily at all for their own damage...just
for the damage to others. Previously I had even been tempted
to go with "not in flight" coverage for the plane. But
finally the rates are coming down for me after the time
put in. I did post the historical rate trend just to
show too that over time it does make a difference as you gain
time and experience. And as you noted, either choice is
a good drop again from last year.
The other thing is, this year I may actually do a trip over
the oceans, and I can easily see the $25,000 search and rescue
coverage being something nice to have. So looking at those
factors provides a push to Global too.
I just got Jim C's message about hull value as I typed
this....You know, I do kind of agree with him on that...at
least that's exactly how I feel about my cars (which I
usually PURCHASE with 90K+ miles on them)...and you save
tons over time. But, in an RV-10 all decked out with
nice things, I don't think that you will save enough
money quick enough to make the payoff work out. If I
actually HAD a couple hundred grand in liquid cash that
I could just have without it affecting anything, then
yeah, I'd probably skip the hull coverage, because I can
always build another hull.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I have no experience with either company however since your
> highest coverage cost ($2,849) is still far less than you were use to
> paying (2006-2008) you might as well go with the company proving "so
> much better" coverage (your words). When you look at the individual line
> items like Personal Effects and consider your table PC or various other
> electronic doodads you probably have in your -10 that may be enough
> alone to make a decision. The difference in Hangar Coverage is
> significant. I don't know what is involved in Hangar Coverage but when
> things go wrong in a hangar they can go wrong in a big way (fire,
> tornado, crushing snow, auto/aircraft impact). Quick story... a friend
> had his mechanic pull his freshly painted Aero Commander out for some
> reason. The mechanic jumped out of the plane with the plane on a SLIGHT
> incline. It slowly rolled into my neighbors hangar taking out the nose
> wheel etc... $60,000 later for the plane and $9,000 later for the hangar
> all is good as new...I suggest with numbers this close you go for the
> higher coverage (assuming all other factors are acceptable).
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion
>
>
> For historical info, here is some history for the insurance on my -10.
>
> 2006 $3441
> 2007 $3389 (Note: Increased hull value $10K...same hull was $3228)
> 2008 $3087 (Note: TAA program was not yet in place with AIG)
>
> Now comes 2009. I easily qualified for the TAA program, which gives
> 10% off, and after 400+ hours of RV-10 time, and higher corresponding
> total time, my rates are naturally also decreasing.
>
> The dilema is that this year I finally have 2 options, and it's making
> it tough on me to decide...and I need to just pull the trigger.
> Previously I've been with AIG, on my old plane, and my RV-10. No
> claims, so no experience of anything. AIG was the only reasonable
> rate at the time, and of course Avemco is always just plain insane
> on rates for the -10.
>
> This year, my quotes are:
>
> Global Aerospace $2849
> AIG $2709 (or $2774 with expanded coverage)
>
> The problem is that the coverage with Global is so much better
> that I'm not sure which way to go anymore. Certainly, with
> the expanded coverage with AIG, the rates are so close that I'd
> just choose Global.
>
> Here is a comparison to some of the things that are different:
>
> Medical Payments: $10,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
> Deductable: $0 Global / $100 AIG
> Headsets/handheld av. $1,000 Global / $500 AIG
> Personal Effects $5,000 Global / $3,000 AIG
> Hangar Contents $50,000 Global / $25,000 AIG
> (hangar damage/unowned)
> Search and Rescue $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
> Emergency Conditions $25,000 Global / $10,000 AIG
> (runway foaming...)
> Precautionary Landing Include Global / Included AIG only expanded
> Extended phys damage Included Global / Not offered AIG
> (war,sabotage,riots)
> Hurricane Reimbursement: Global is far better.
>
> Now, if I want the lowest rate, and skip the Expanded coverage
> with AIG, I lose the headset/handheld coverage, personal
> effects goes down to $1,000, hangar contents to $10,000,
> no coverage for premises, no coverage for Precautionary
> landing, no hurricane reimbursement (don't get many in
> Wisconsin though. :) ) and no physical damage coverage
> for non-owned aircraft.
>
> So clearly, the insurance is better at least in the bullet
> points with Global. The question is, the value of the
> add-on coverages....and of course, I have no experience with
> Global.
>
>
> Does anyone have any comments, especially positive and negative
> experiences in dealing with claims with either?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
I found a guy who designed my Lancair (the RV is next) (no charge) and
painted the plane to perfection (he's been painting aircraft - large &
small, for 20 years). He's in Colorado, but travels around (and he's
reasonable).
Tom 970-420-1798
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| Subject: | Re: Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Panel |
I'd add, if you're truly going vfr for now with an SL-40, leave out the audio panel,
too, to save $2K (you don't have any radios to switch!). Buy (or build)
a portable intercom for now.
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
You want to be a little careful with "backing down the hull value". Remember, if
the insurance company pays out this amount, they then own the aircraft.To make
up an extreme example, suppose you declare the hull value at $50K. You then
damage both wings, and you think you can fix it for $30K. But the insurance
company has the option to declare the plane a total loss, and pay you $50K. They
then own the airplane, and can sell the engine, radios, etc., to recoup their
loss.
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| Subject: | computer simulation of paint scheme |
Tom,
Great looking plane. Why are you building a -10 if you had the
Lancair? Don't get me wrong the -10 is a tremendous plane but so is the
FG Lancair.
Robin
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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
I found a guy who designed my Lancair (the RV is next) (no charge) and
painted the plane to perfection (he's been painting aircraft - large &
small, for 20 years). He's in Colorado, but travels around (and he's
reasonable).
Tom 970-420-1798
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As I picked up two OEM Cleveland Brake Discs at Vans this morning
(ouch), I asked what the latest RV-10 order was.
Patrick Kelly just committed to kit #40937. I had such high hopes for
kit #1,000 sold before OSH '09 and seeing Tim lead a formation of Ten
RV-10s over the field as the rest of us look up from RV parking or
elsewhere.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
Keep Dreamin' John...... I think we'll see 1000 easy enough...maybe
or maybe not before OSH 2009...certainly by OSH 2010. But I won't
hold my breath for a formation of 10 RV-10's. For one, I'm not
qualified to lead such a thing. And the same token goes for so
many of the RV-10 community. I'd have a hard time finding 10
RV-10 builders that I'd trust (myself included) to fly in one
formation. It's tougher than it looks. Then there's the OSH
approval. Maybe someday we'll get a group motivated to go and
get the training and do the photo shoot, but until then, I
think seeing 2 or 3 together is great.
Fly safe!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Cox wrote:
> As I picked up two OEM Cleveland Brake Discs at Vans this morning
> (ouch), I asked what the latest RV-10 order was.
>
> Patrick Kelly just committed to kit #40937. I had such high hopes for
> kit #1,000 sold before OSH '09 and seeing Tim lead a formation of Ten
> RV-10s over the field as the rest of us look up from RV parking or
> elsewhere.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Good Point!
I had not considered that.
To date, I
have full coverage.
Jim C
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<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
You want to be a little careful
with "backing down the hull value".
Remember, if the
insurance company pays out this amount, they then own the
aircraft.To
make up an extreme example, suppose you declare the hull
value at
$50K. You then damage both wings, and you think you can fix it
for
$30K. But the insurance company has the option to declare the plane a
total loss, and pay you $50K. They then own the airplane, and can sell
the
engine, radios, etc., to recoup their loss.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
Robin,
I love the Lancair and I'm building a second one (Lancair ES), but I'm
looking at buying an RV-10 kit next.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation |
I bought some of the stuff from Abbey and used it wit Super 77 adhesive. (Be aware
that I am Not flying yet).
Just make some cardboard templates and cut away. I am not too worried about inspecting
the firewall as it is a piece of monolithic SS and is not as subject to
cracking like the aluminum.
--------
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Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
I'll do my best to join any formation for 2010 at Osh. I did some air
to air pics with a very skilled pilot, and was simply amazed at how
much work it was as 110 knots in still air. I have a lot of respect
for those aerobatic formations now. But if we're going to do it, I'll
get the training.
Neil
On 10/02/2009, at 9:34 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Keep Dreamin' John...... I think we'll see 1000 easy enough...maybe
> or maybe not before OSH 2009...certainly by OSH 2010. But I won't
> hold my breath for a formation of 10 RV-10's. For one, I'm not
> qualified to lead such a thing. And the same token goes for so
> many of the RV-10 community. I'd have a hard time finding 10
> RV-10 builders that I'd trust (myself included) to fly in one
> formation. It's tougher than it looks. Then there's the OSH
> approval. Maybe someday we'll get a group motivated to go and
> get the training and do the photo shoot, but until then, I
> think seeing 2 or 3 together is great.
>
> Fly safe!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Cox wrote:
>> As I picked up two OEM Cleveland Brake Discs at Vans this morning
>> (ouch), I asked what the latest RV-10 order was.
>> Patrick Kelly just committed to kit #40937. I had such high hopes
>> for kit #1,000 sold before OSH '09 and seeing Tim lead a formation
>> of Ten RV-10s over the field as the rest of us look up from RV
>> parking or elsewhere.
>> John Cox
>> #600
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Thanks Linn,
>
> So what is your favorite paint program?
Photoimpact ..... came bundled with a camera long ago. Almost any
digital camera has a paint program bundled with it.
Linn
>
> JOhn
>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:45:52 -0500
> > From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: computer simulation of paint scheme
> >
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I hate paying someone else to do what I can do for free. The simplest
> > thing I've found is to import a 3-view into your favorite paint
> > program. You can even cut and paste from a flying example picture. I
> > don't need to rotate in 3-D to picture the results. You'll fine-tune
> > the picture when you lay it out on the airplane to shoot paint. It was
> > easier years ago when mostly straight lines prevailed, but now the
> > 'swoosh' style is prevalent and will make drawing the lines a little
> > more difficult. Once you have the lines drawn, however using the 'fill'
> > tool makes it really easy to change colors.
> > Linn
> >
> > John Gonzalez wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of a service or program that is user friendly that
> > > allows one to play with their paint scheme and see it from different
> > > angles.
> > >
> > > I remember reading something in our magazines about such a service
> but
> > > it was a paint scheme designer and their consultaion was about half
> > > the cost of actual painting the plane.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > JOhn G.
> > > *
> > >====================
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
I cut down my insurance to 'not in motion' to meet the hangar lease
agreement. I have no insurance on my house either. I'm an optimist.
I personally have no assets to be taken. I've saved enough over the
years to replace the big ticket items should be lost. If I'm lost too,
then I don't care. The only concern I have is that a friend will be
injured while riding in my plane (or boat or ......) and will have to
foot his medical bills himself. That's a big concern, but I don't have
an answer. I don't usually have an empty seat when I fly so it must not
concern them very much .... and yes, they've been told .... and even
reminded once in a while.
Linn
jim@CombsFive.Com wrote:
> Why not back down the hull value. Take the difference in insurance
> and bank it specifically for the hull replace should something
> happen. Over time, you should be able to reduce the hull amount to
> zero and then use interest from the hull money to pay the liability
> insurance.
>
> You do plan on keeping the airplane for a long time don't you?
>
> I know of a person who is doing that and they are seeing a significant
> return on their investment. (IE much lower insurance cost and keeping
> money in house!)
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Jim C
> N312F Flying!
>
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Hi Tim=2C
With the economy as it is=2C it's good to check on the financial stability
of both companies. A good deal isn't so good if the company goes belly up a
fter you send in your premium.
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
do not archive> > > > > > Does anyone have any comments=2C especially posit
ive and negative> > experiences in dealing with claims with either?> > > >
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 overhead consoles for sale - SOLD |
Both overhead consoles are sold.
Carl
From: Carl Froehlich [mailto:carl.froehlich@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: RV-10 overhead consoles for sale
I purchased two Accuracy Avionics overhead panels for my project and for a
friend's project. http://www.accuracyavionics.com/v1/fiberglassoptions.html
We decided not to install an overhead console. They are as received from
Accuracy Avionics. Selling them for $275 each plus shipping - half of what
I paid.
Carl Froehlich
540 371-8482
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
Photoimpact is my favorite image editor. I use it a lot.
It's very capable and much more intuitive than adobe photoshop.
I've seen some commercial airplane paintscheme software somewhere online. You'll
find it on google. It was pretty inexpensive.
Lenny
#40803
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation |
Jay,
I used hi-temp RTV for adhesive.=C2- Just dabs in the corners and a few i
n the middle is enough.
If you can get the firewall=C2-material in the ballpark size-wise, hold i
t up to the area you want to install it and press along the bulkheads and s
upports.=C2- Run your hands along those areas a few times and you will ge
t a light impression in the foil.=C2- Get a medium point Sharpie (not fin
e-tip as it goes right through the foil)=C2-and mark the impressions, the
n cut.
Hope this helps.
Sean Blair
(observation deck)
----- Original Message -----
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 10:13:46 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation
I recall seeing a website of aft-side firewall insulation templates that so
meone was selling. Does anyone have that info handy? Guess I could crawl ar
ound under there, but it might be easier to cut using a template.
The path of least resistance would be to could use spray adhesive to attach
insulation, but that's a permanent solution that wouldn't allow future ins
pection. What other options are there?
I have several yards of insulation received from Abby @ Flightline Interior
s.
http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/products/construction/default.asp
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Interior |
Na, it's only legal if you are a politician serving in the new administration.
So what you are saying is I better get done with mine before you. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Change in Economy... Change in Plans... Interior
I thought tax evasion was legal now?
In WI I believe we pay tax on the project at registration time. That is why
I am keeping detailed receipts of every purchase I have made during the
entire build to present to the WI Dept. of Revenue so they may tax me
accordingly.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
I agree with you Linn. There is nothing I own that I cannot do without. My
coverage includes only liability. That I will not do without. If you have
been sued you get that way.
Tom Ganster 40778 Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion
I cut down my insurance to 'not in motion' to meet the hangar lease
agreement. I have no insurance on my house either. I'm an optimist.
I personally have no assets to be taken. I've saved enough over the
years to replace the big ticket items should be lost. If I'm lost too,
then I don't care. The only concern I have is that a friend will be
injured while riding in my plane (or boat or ......) and will have to
foot his medical bills himself. That's a big concern, but I don't have
an answer. I don't usually have an empty seat when I fly so it must not
concern them very much .... and yes, they've been told .... and even
reminded once in a while.
Linn
jim@CombsFive.Com wrote:
> Why not back down the hull value. Take the difference in insurance
> and bank it specifically for the hull replace should something
> happen. Over time, you should be able to reduce the hull amount to
> zero and then use interest from the hull money to pay the liability
> insurance.
>
> You do plan on keeping the airplane for a long time don't you?
>
> I know of a person who is doing that and they are seeing a significant
> return on their investment. (IE much lower insurance cost and keeping
> money in house!)
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Jim C
> N312F Flying!
>
>
> Do Not Archive
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06:50:00
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
As Neil says, it's a surprising amount of work. Some find it very
satisfying, others not so much - it's not everyones cup of tea. For anyone
who wants to get their feet wet, there are several *free* clinics held at
various places throughout the country each year. The next one is mid April
in the Atlanta area. These are tailored toward the total newbies and in my
opinion worth ever penny and more.
At the very least, you'll get to ride left seat while an experienced pilot
is right/back seat to take you through what the picture and action is like
up close.
Food for thought.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil & Sarah Colliver" <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>
> I'll do my best to join any formation for 2010 at Osh. I did some air to
> air pics with a very skilled pilot, and was simply amazed at how much
> work it was as 110 knots in still air. I have a lot of respect for those
> aerobatic formations now. But if we're going to do it, I'll get the
> training.
>
> Neil
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
I have flown my 10 in the proper wing position on a few occasions. As far
as the airframe goes the issues are minor and relate to a little
inconvenience with the sight picture in the right wing position. General
handling qualities like the other models of RVs make the 10 a good formation
airplane. Mixing the 10 with other RV types would probably not be advised
or look good unless the 10 was in separated lead or trail position due to
the difference in size. A formation of just 10s would be awesome.
Tim's comments are spot on with regard to training. There are at least two
large FAA recognized training organizations to qualify formation pilots.
The FAST program and Stu McCurdy's Formation Flight Incorporated. Both
include extensive ground and flight training leading to a certification
card. This certification is required to fly in FAA wavered airspace such as
Oshkosh and Sun & Fun. The procedures and standards are well defined and
very well standardized. Pilots completing the training can have confidence
in other pilots who have also completed the program.
Formation flying can be very satisfying, will dramatically improve ones
overall flying skills, is serious business and can be a lot of fun. There
have been fatalities even among serious trained pilots so it should be
approached with the respect it deserves.
Dick Sipp
N110DV 110 hours (coincidentally) :)
FFI Wingman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>
> Keep Dreamin' John...... I think we'll see 1000 easy enough...maybe
> or maybe not before OSH 2009...certainly by OSH 2010. But I won't
> hold my breath for a formation of 10 RV-10's. For one, I'm not
> qualified to lead such a thing. And the same token goes for so
> many of the RV-10 community. I'd have a hard time finding 10
> RV-10 builders that I'd trust (myself included) to fly in one
> formation. It's tougher than it looks. Then there's the OSH
> approval. Maybe someday we'll get a group motivated to go and
> get the training and do the photo shoot, but until then, I
> think seeing 2 or 3 together is great.
>
> Fly safe!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Cox wrote:
>> As I picked up two OEM Cleveland Brake Discs at Vans this morning (ouch),
>> I asked what the latest RV-10 order was.
>>
>> Patrick Kelly just committed to kit #40937. I had such high hopes for
>> kit #1,000 sold before OSH '09 and seeing Tim lead a formation of Ten
>> RV-10s over the field as the rest of us look up from RV parking or
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> #600
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation |
Jay,
-What I did was to put 4 nut plates around the firewall on each side to h
old the insulation from moving. Use a large washer and screw to hold it and
if you need to remove it you can without tearing things up.
Patrick Thyssen
Will fly one day.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, jayb <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: jayb <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation
<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I recall seeing a website of aft-side firewall insulation templates that
someone was selling. Does anyone have that info handy? Guess I could crawl
around under there, but it might be easier to cut using a template.
The path of least resistance would be to could use spray adhesive to attach
insulation, but that's a permanent solution that wouldn't allow future
inspection. What other options are there?
I have several yards of insulation received from Abby @ Flightline Interior
s.
http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/products/construction/default.asp
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
I'm on thin ice here, but I was of the impression that the enclosed
cabin cover, and lack a rearward visibility make the -10 a poor
candidate for formation flying/work.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Ron Walker wrote:
>
> As Neil says, it's a surprising amount of work. Some find it very
> satisfying, others not so much - it's not everyones cup of tea. For
> anyone who wants to get their feet wet, there are several *free*
> clinics held at various places throughout the country each year. The
> next one is mid April in the Atlanta area. These are tailored toward
> the total newbies and in my opinion worth ever penny and more.
>
> At the very least, you'll get to ride left seat while an experienced
> pilot is right/back seat to take you through what the picture and
> action is like up close.
>
> Food for thought.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Sarah Colliver"
> <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>
>
>>
>> I'll do my best to join any formation for 2010 at Osh. I did some
>> air to air pics with a very skilled pilot, and was simply amazed at
>> how much work it was as 110 knots in still air. I have a lot of
>> respect for those aerobatic formations now. But if we're going to do
>> it, I'll get the training.
>>
>> Neil
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
Tim, your still dangerous!
You can be my wingman anytime!
do not archive
Scott Schmidt
Cell 801-718-1277
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:34:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
Keep Dreamin' John...... I think we'll see 1000 easy enough...maybe
or maybe not before OSH 2009...certainly by OSH 2010. But I won't
hold my breath for a formation of 10 RV-10's. For one, I'm not
qualified to lead such a thing. And the same token goes for so
many of the RV-10 community. I'd have a hard time finding 10
RV-10 builders that I'd trust (myself included) to fly in one
formation. It's tougher than it looks. Then there's the OSH
approval. Maybe someday we'll get a group motivated to go and
get the training and do the photo shoot, but until then, I
think seeing 2 or 3 together is great.
Fly safe!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Cox wrote:
> As I picked up two OEM Cleveland Brake Discs at Vans this morning (ouch), I asked
what the latest RV-10 order was.
>
> Patrick Kelly just committed to kit #40937. I had such high hopes for kit #1,000
sold before OSH '09 and seeing Tim lead a formation of Ten RV-10s over the
field as the rest of us look up from RV parking or elsewhere.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
>
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 2:52 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
Tim, your still dangerous!
You can be my wingman anytime!
do not archive
Scott Schmidt
Cell 801-718-1277
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
Trust me, when you're in the formation, you don't have time to
look behind you. It would be nice to have more viz for
spotting everyone and getting together in formation, but
you don't have much time for looking around when you're
actually in formation. I'm absolutely no expert, and
I know it must get easier as you spend countless hours
on it, but it's very hard to hold position doing anything
but keeping your eyes on the plane you're lined up with.
That's why if the leader goes into the ground, sometimes
the rest follow...they don't have time to know it's coming.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I'm on thin ice here, but I was of the impression that the enclosed
> cabin cover, and lack a rearward visibility make the -10 a poor
> candidate for formation flying/work.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
HA!! Yeah, we have had some fun and some time flying side
by side to get to know eachother a bit, haven't we. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Tim, your still dangerous!
> You can be my wingman anytime!
>
> do not archive
>
> Scott Schmidt
> Cell 801-718-1277
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, February 9, 2009 1:34:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> Keep Dreamin' John...... I think we'll see 1000 easy enough...maybe
> or maybe not before OSH 2009...certainly by OSH 2010. But I won't
> hold my breath for a formation of 10 RV-10's. For one, I'm not
> qualified to lead such a thing. And the same token goes for so
> many of the RV-10 community. I'd have a hard time finding 10
> RV-10 builders that I'd trust (myself included) to fly in one
> formation. It's tougher than it looks. Then there's the OSH
> approval. Maybe someday we'll get a group motivated to go and
> get the training and do the photo shoot, but until then, I
> think seeing 2 or 3 together is great.
>
> Fly safe!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
That about sums it up - you follow lead, and secondarily 'dress' off the guy
next to you on the other side of lead. I've never looked over my shoulder at
who is leading off of me.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>
> Trust me, when you're in the formation, you don't have time to
> look behind you. It would be nice to have more viz for
> spotting everyone and getting together in formation, but
> you don't have much time for looking around when you're
> actually in formation. I'm absolutely no expert, and
> I know it must get easier as you spend countless hours
> on it, but it's very hard to hold position doing anything
> but keeping your eyes on the plane you're lined up with.
> That's why if the leader goes into the ground, sometimes
> the rest follow...they don't have time to know it's coming.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> I'm on thin ice here, but I was of the impression that the enclosed cabin
>> cover, and lack a rearward visibility make the -10 a poor candidate for
>> formation flying/work.
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>
>
>
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