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1. 05:34 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (David McNeill)
2. 07:40 AM - Re: Firewall insulation (jayb)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: computer simulation of paint scheme (Len Aune)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (linn Walters)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (David McNeill)
6. 09:22 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Tim Olson)
7. 09:39 AM - Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring (Bob and Karen Brown)
8. 09:39 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (pascal)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Ron Walker)
10. 09:39 AM - OT: Who's going to be the first to cross the Atlantic? (Perry, Phil)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (linn Walters)
13. 11:13 AM - Re: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring (Tim Olson)
14. 11:16 AM - Re: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring (linn Walters)
15. 02:24 PM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
16. 02:27 PM - Re: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 02:39 PM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Rene Felker)
18. 02:53 PM - Re: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring (linn Walters)
19. 03:20 PM - AirCrafters Overhead Consoles--Price Reduced (Dave Saylor)
20. 04:08 PM - Re: AirCrafters Overhead Consoles--Price Reduced (McGANN, Ron)
21. 05:23 PM - Taxes in California (John Cumins)
22. 05:36 PM - Re: parts to omit from kit? (John Cumins)
23. 05:36 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (richard sipp)
24. 06:58 PM - LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP (mds4878)
25. 07:12 PM - Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP (Rene)
26. 07:30 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Miller John)
27. 07:37 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Miller John)
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Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty years or
so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with an IFR
clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along (sort of loose
deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When crossing the
Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about 1/2 mile
and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see if he was still
on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4 o'clock" and there he was
at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
Keep Dreamin' John...... I think we'll see 1000 easy enough...maybe or
maybe not before OSH 2009...certainly by OSH 2010. But I won't
hold my breath for a formation of 10 RV-10's. For one, I'm not
qualified to lead such a thing. And the same token goes for so many of the
RV-10 community. I'd have a hard time finding 10 RV-10 builders that I'd
trust (myself included) to fly in one formation. It's tougher than it
looks. Then there's the OSH approval. Maybe someday we'll get a group
motivated to go and get the training and do the photo shoot, but until then,
I think seeing 2 or 3 together is great.
Fly safe!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Cox wrote:
> As I picked up two OEM Cleveland Brake Discs at Vans this morning
> (ouch), I asked what the latest RV-10 order was.
>
> Patrick Kelly just committed to kit #40937. I had such high hopes for
> kit #1,000 sold before OSH '09 and seeing Tim lead a formation of Ten
> RV-10s over the field as the rest of us look up from RV parking or
> elsewhere.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation |
Thanks for the great tips. Someone sent me a link to here for the templates... http://www.iflyrv10.com/iflyrv10/Insulation_Templates.html
I'm way past needing a variety of templates, so I'll opt for the crawl around method.
Any small distracting task is a welcome reprieve from working on the doors
or fitting the bottom cowl.
Cheers,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229541#229541
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| Subject: | Re: computer simulation of paint scheme |
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty years or
> so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with an IFR
> clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along (sort of loose
> deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When crossing the
> Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about 1/2 mile
> and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see if he was still
> on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4 o'clock" and there he was
> at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
Well, you're just not a candidate for formation flying. That's not a
bad thing. It isn't for everyone. Those of us that fly that way look
at it as just another flying skill. It takes training, practice, and
more practice. Formation flying isn't about how close you can get, but
how it looks to those on the ground. Spacing is important to have a
balanced group of airplanes. I like to fly formation when I'm going
places with other airplanes. It makes the trip go faster as I'm
intensely focused on that other airplane. Sometimes I get too close for
their comfort, and they let me know so I can pick another 'sight
picture' further out. I don't call 1/4 mile (1300 feet) 'in formation'.
;-)
Linn
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Agreed. Its something I could do if I wanted to expend the effort but I
don't.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
--> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty
> years or so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with
> an IFR clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along
> (sort of loose
> deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When crossing
> the Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about
> 1/2 mile and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see
> if he was still on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4
> o'clock" and there he was at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
Well, you're just not a candidate for formation flying. That's not a bad
thing. It isn't for everyone. Those of us that fly that way look at it as
just another flying skill. It takes training, practice, and more practice.
Formation flying isn't about how close you can get, but how it looks to
those on the ground. Spacing is important to have a balanced group of
airplanes. I like to fly formation when I'm going places with other
airplanes. It makes the trip go faster as I'm intensely focused on that
other airplane. Sometimes I get too close for their comfort, and they let
me know so I can pick another 'sight picture' further out. I don't call 1/4
mile (1300 feet) 'in formation'.
;-)
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
Linn, personally, I agree with you. I love flying side by side.
It makes the time go quicker, and you can have a lot of fun
being 50' (or less) away if you're careful. With only 2 planes
involved, it isn't such a big problem. Make it 3 and bring
them in to less than 50' and you are really changing the
amount of workload. Bring them in to 15' and it's nonstop
hard work. I really enjoy flying side by side with people.
It's some of the best fun I've had, flying with Vic, and with
Scott, Stein, and others. But, I definitely realize that while
I may have fun with 2 or 3, there's no way without more
training, and also TRUST that I'd want to get more involved.
Trust is more important and involved than I think people
understand until they've been that close. When I did the
3-ship, Josh B, a really REALLY good pilot, was the reason
I was able to be that close. It was more his skill than mine.
It was harder than it looks in the photo...and it took
over a hundred photos to get that one. To me, I don't know
that I know 10 RV-10 builders that I can say that I would
without a doubt trust to do a 10, or even 5 ship formation.
How COULD I know I could trust them. I know that 2 planes
together isn't so bad, but I know that 3 is real hard work.
The only way I know I could even begin to trust them, or me,
is to take training, and then at least prove it enough to
have a card in my pocket. Short of that, I don't think
I'd be willing to even be a part of a large formation,
and I'd seriously question someone's judgement if they
thought that I was qualified without carrying the card.
I think formation is a blast, and a great way to have fun.
I just think that it deserves a lot of respect for training
and skill. I would encourage anyone who likes this sort of
thing to go for the training...I know I'd love to. Hope
they do something up by MSP some day. Oh, and if you're
thinking you'll want to do formation, get a throttle
quadrant, not push-pulls. From what I hear, you can't
really be a part of such things in most groups unless
you have a quadrant.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
linn Walters wrote:
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty
>> years or
>> so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with an IFR
>> clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along (sort of loose
>> deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When crossing
>> the
>> Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about 1/2
>> mile
>> and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see if he was
>> still
>> on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4 o'clock" and there
>> he was
>> at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
> Well, you're just not a candidate for formation flying. That's not a
> bad thing. It isn't for everyone. Those of us that fly that way look
> at it as just another flying skill. It takes training, practice, and
> more practice. Formation flying isn't about how close you can get, but
> how it looks to those on the ground. Spacing is important to have a
> balanced group of airplanes. I like to fly formation when I'm going
> places with other airplanes. It makes the trip go faster as I'm
> intensely focused on that other airplane. Sometimes I get too close for
> their comfort, and they let me know so I can pick another 'sight
> picture' further out. I don't call 1/4 mile (1300 feet) 'in formation'.
> ;-)
> Linn
>
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| Subject: | Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring |
Hi everybody, I'm new to the list (I unsubscribed 3 yrs ago after I finished
my 7A) and am working on a 10 (#871) here in Independence, OR. I know a few
of you here, like Vern Smithand Rob Hickman. I've got some questions.
After an early failure of a Tefzel engine ground cable on my 7A, I replaced
both cables coming off the battery with #2 welding cable, which I have been
very happy with. I plan on utilizing it on the 10 as well. I based my
wiring in the 7A on Nuckolls (Aeroelectric Connection) wiring schematic
(roughly z-11), on my 7A, including the "forest of ground tabs", which I've
also been very pleased with. My 7A has no hums, pops or crackles in my
intercom and no electric gremlins have made themselves known yet in 3 years
of flying. I love my Sirius music setup! In reviewing Van's wiring plans
for the 10, I see that the ground cable from the battery is attached to the
airframe near the battery box. Is everyone utilizing single point grounding
for all the accessories(?) and if so, where are you mounting those single
point grounds and what are you grounding there or not grounding there? And
most importantly, are you picking up hums/pops or voodoo transients from
strobes etc? I have none of that in my 7A and am hopeful I'm smart enough
to wire the 10 so its electrical system is as (electrically) clean as my
other plane. Suggestions?? If anyone has photos or diagrams, feel free to
load me up with them offline. The other question I have is whether anyone
has a wiring diagram that incorporates a G900 system. I'd like some ideas
on how it's wired before I cover up some critical areas. Although I'm a pro
at drilling out rivets, I just don't dig it.
Bob Brown
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
This may be obvious to some but I'll mention this anyway. I received my rim
before I knew of the issue of the stem hitting. Upon hearing about it I
setup the rim to "test" with the inner tube and tire and inflated to see if
I had an issue, I did, so I removed everything and, got an RMA and sent to
Matco. I just discovered that unless the rim is brand new and never touched,
as George at Matco put it, "like new to put back on shelf" one will be
billed $60. so when the shipping is added one is in for about $80 to get the
"right" piece.
So the lesson learned for me is and Tim nailed it with:
> So if you are not to the front wheel install portion yet, it is probably
> worth looking into either NOT buying the wheel from Van's, but buying the
> proper one direct....or, as soon as you get your brand new nosewheel, call
> Matco and get them to swap the half out.
The option I would have chosen is to have returned the rim and bought a
Grove personally it would have been much less expensive then this experience
turned out to be.
you'll need to make the decision before hand because once you "test" it
you're buying half of a new rim and that simply is not worth it.
To be clear Matco is honoring doing the right thing by fixing a complete
shortfall on Van's part and I commend them for doing so. I simply would not
return a part without knowing it was an issue first. Assume it's an issue
and let that decision be your final decision on what you determine is the
right course, the valve will work it just needs to have the cap removed to
do so.
Let my pain be your gain!
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> For the new builders....
>
> It's an old topic that used to get some attention. I don't think
> it affects MOST people too bad, but, here's the story to the best
> that I know it....
>
> Van's buys a certain wheel that WE use as our front wheel, but other
> RV's use as one of their mains. That wheel works fine for them, and
> Van's only wants to stock one model of 5" wheel. So, we get what
> they use. The problem is, there have been some people who have
> had the valve stem actually TOUCH the fork, because the way the wheel
> is made, the valve stem sticks out too far with Van's standard
> wheel. Some people just leave the valve cap off. Some people
> (like me) leave the cap on and it wasn't a big problem...it was real
> close, but never hit the fork. Simply judging by how few times it
> comes up on the forum, and assuming that 90% of the builders are
> not swapping wheels (because like you, they probably didn't even
> know about it, and just built the plane), my guess is that the
> problem is not overwhelmingly common. There may be lots of people
> it affects, but probably not a majority, or we'd hear more.
>
> But, it is indeed something that if you just build it, and don't
> question it, you aren't doing "the best you can" to get things
> perfect. To do that, you would want to use the proper wheel.
> And, after hearing of some complaints early on, Matco decided to
> offer these wheel exchanges inexpensively, so that builders could
> use the proper wheel. I don't quite understand why the wheel
> has to go back to them once it's been mounted, but you only
> would need to replace 1/2 of the wheel because only 1/2 has
> the valve stem hole.
>
> So if you are not to the front wheel install portion yet,
> it is probably worth looking into either NOT buying the wheel
> from Van's, but buying the proper one direct....or, as soon
> as you get your brand new nosewheel, call Matco and get them to
> swap the half out.
>
> Luckily for me, I was in the group of earlier builders that
> really had no issue other than the clearance was minimal.
> The fork builds up a lot of dirt and grime, and you'd easily
> be able to see marks if the valve cap/stem were rubbing the
> fork in use. I've never seen any of that on mine.
>
> So, it may not be a major worry, and if you already built it
> and it doesn't hit, you have nothing to fear. (Besides that,
> when/if you use Matco's new Axle, you'll get more clearance
> on that side if you install the axle in the orientation I did).
> If you haven't built that part yet, then if it were me, I'd
> play it safe and just use the best wheel for the plane...the
> one they're suggesting.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
>>
>> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
>> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
>> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
>> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
>> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done
>>
>>
>> I don't understand what this means? why would one need to replace the
>> wheel half?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:37 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if the backlog is shipping. I ordered the
>>> weekend before it was known by most people that they were
>>> even available, and my order was one of the first in.
>>> I think they ran out right away shortly after.
>>>
>>> I did just get a little feedback from George at Matco
>>> tonight, who I sent the link for the write-up to. He
>>> says the following:
>>> ------------------------
>>> "The installation drawings are also linked on our website on the
>>> WHLAXLE24 product page.
>>>
>>> Did you balance your tire? It made a huge difference for Scott and is
>>> easy to do with the center hole in the axle.
>>>
>>> The wheel for the 5.00-5 tube is the WHLNW511.25. It is machined
>>> differently to accommodate the longer stem on the 5.00-5 tube. We offer
>>> an inexpensive exchange (under $20) for those who have not yet mated the
>>> tire. We can replace one half of the wheel if the tire has already been
>>> mounted for about $60. The wheel needs to be sent here to have it done.
>>> ------------------------
>>>
>>> There you go, more info to consider, if you're building.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> pascal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm.. does this mean the Matco backlog is now shipping?
>>>>
>>>> Great write-up once again Tim. Thanks for taking time to write it all
>>>> up and give your perspective.
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:00 PM
>>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Last night I installed the new Matco axle in my RV-10. It
>>>>> looks like it should work out way better than the original.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090120
>>>>>
>>>>> From my perspective, things started off truly unsafe and
>>>>> miserable. This is now basically my 4th "try" at making
>>>>> things perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>> #1. Stainless spacers - trashing my fork
>>>>> #2. Large washers protecting fork, Stainless spacers rotation
>>>>> locked.....much better from a wear perspective.
>>>>> #3. Use Van's new parts provided after SB was put out.
>>>>> This was a better situation than the original by FAR.
>>>>> But, it is also far from ideal, and is pretty crappy
>>>>> from a bearing preload perspective, and they STILL
>>>>> didn't provide anti-spin for the spacers.
>>>>> #3. Matco's replacement axle. It's far nicer, and basically
>>>>> fixes all of the issues that the original one has.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would encourage all of you RV-10 builders to at absolute
>>>>> minimum, do some sort of mod to make Van's spacers anti-spin.
>>>>> You will still have to do far more checking of nosewheel
>>>>> bolt torque if you want to prevent issues over time, but that
>>>>> in itself would be a step up. But really, for the low cost of
>>>>> this axle, I think it should just be one of those things that
>>>>> everyone does....just like the axle extensions on the main gear.
>>>>> Don't wreck something or live with a poor standard design.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
> Oh, and if you're
> thinking you'll want to do formation, get a throttle
> quadrant, not push-pulls. From what I hear, you can't
> really be a part of such things in most groups unless
> you have a quadrant.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
I have a quadrant in my 7 - but I also know alot of others that don't, they
have the normal push/pull throttle cables. The only real 'rule' for
formation is that it *not* be a vernier type of cable. Flying close
formation is constant throttle adjustments and they have to happen fluidly.
Ron
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| Subject: | OT: Who's going to be the first to cross the Atlantic? |
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
I would second the throttle quadrant comment. That was the main thing
I noticed when we did our air to air pics. We were so close to the
camera ship (a C182) that the photographer used a standard lens. My co-
pilot, Dave Philips (who actually flew, and was an instructor for our
airforce aerobatics team), was constantly on the throttle. There
wasn't a moment it wasn't moving. It was hard work.
Each year we get a new aerobatics team, so their training program must
work. Dave had never flown an RV10 before, & was instantly at home in
it. The airtrainers our airforce uses has the same IO540, so it
probably wasn't too great a jump.
It was certainly scary being that close!
We may not have 10 RV10 flyers with that level of skill now, but given
a year and half lead time, & the will power to do it, I'm sure it
could be done. Our problem in NZ is finding another RV10 to practice
with. Anyone want to bring their's over?
On 11/02/2009, at 6:21 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Linn, personally, I agree with you. I love flying side by side.
> It makes the time go quicker, and you can have a lot of fun
> being 50' (or less) away if you're careful. With only 2 planes
> involved, it isn't such a big problem. Make it 3 and bring
> them in to less than 50' and you are really changing the
> amount of workload. Bring them in to 15' and it's nonstop
> hard work. I really enjoy flying side by side with people.
> It's some of the best fun I've had, flying with Vic, and with
> Scott, Stein, and others. But, I definitely realize that while
> I may have fun with 2 or 3, there's no way without more
> training, and also TRUST that I'd want to get more involved.
> Trust is more important and involved than I think people
> understand until they've been that close. When I did the
> 3-ship, Josh B, a really REALLY good pilot, was the reason
> I was able to be that close. It was more his skill than mine.
> It was harder than it looks in the photo...and it took
> over a hundred photos to get that one. To me, I don't know
> that I know 10 RV-10 builders that I can say that I would
> without a doubt trust to do a 10, or even 5 ship formation.
> How COULD I know I could trust them. I know that 2 planes
> together isn't so bad, but I know that 3 is real hard work.
> The only way I know I could even begin to trust them, or me,
> is to take training, and then at least prove it enough to
> have a card in my pocket. Short of that, I don't think
> I'd be willing to even be a part of a large formation,
> and I'd seriously question someone's judgement if they
> thought that I was qualified without carrying the card.
> I think formation is a blast, and a great way to have fun.
> I just think that it deserves a lot of respect for training
> and skill. I would encourage anyone who likes this sort of
> thing to go for the training...I know I'd love to. Hope
> they do something up by MSP some day. Oh, and if you're
> thinking you'll want to do formation, get a throttle
> quadrant, not push-pulls. From what I hear, you can't
> really be a part of such things in most groups unless
> you have a quadrant.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>> >
>> David McNeill wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty
>>> years or
>>> so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with an IFR
>>> clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along (sort
>>> of loose
>>> deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When
>>> crossing the
>>> Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about
>>> 1/2 mile
>>> and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see if he
>>> was still
>>> on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4 o'clock" and
>>> there he was
>>> at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
>> Well, you're just not a candidate for formation flying. That's not
>> a bad thing. It isn't for everyone. Those of us that fly that way
>> look at it as just another flying skill. It takes training,
>> practice, and more practice. Formation flying isn't about how
>> close you can get, but how it looks to those on the ground.
>> Spacing is important to have a balanced group of airplanes. I like
>> to fly formation when I'm going places with other airplanes. It
>> makes the trip go faster as I'm intensely focused on that other
>> airplane. Sometimes I get too close for their comfort, and they
>> let me know so I can pick another 'sight picture' further out. I
>> don't call 1/4 mile (1300 feet) 'in formation'. ;-)
>> Linn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
My thoughts:
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Linn, personally, I agree with you. I love flying side by side.
> It makes the time go quicker, and you can have a lot of fun
> being 50' (or less) away if you're careful. With only 2 planes
> involved, it isn't such a big problem. Make it 3 and bring
> them in to less than 50' and you are really changing the
> amount of workload. Bring them in to 15' and it's nonstop
> hard work.
For most planes 15' puts your wing inside the 'lead' wing, and to look
good that close, you're forward of his tail. That isn't a good spot.
To be safe, you need to have a clear path ahead and sideways so that if
you're 'lead' has a problem, rapid slowing or rapid turn you don't collide.
> I really enjoy flying side by side with people.
> It's some of the best fun I've had, flying with Vic, and with
> Scott, Stein, and others. But, I definitely realize that while
> I may have fun with 2 or 3, there's no way without more
> training, and also TRUST that I'd want to get more involved.
> Trust is more important and involved than I think people
> understand until they've been that close. When I did the
> 3-ship, Josh B, a really REALLY good pilot, was the reason
> I was able to be that close. It was more his skill than mine.
> It was harder than it looks in the photo...and it took
> over a hundred photos to get that one. To me, I don't know
> that I know 10 RV-10 builders that I can say that I would
> without a doubt trust to do a 10, or even 5 ship formation.
Large formations are really small formations of 4 ship (most common) or
5 ship (rare, I think)
> How COULD I know I could trust them. I know that 2 planes
> together isn't so bad, but I know that 3 is real hard work.
> The only way I know I could even begin to trust them, or me,
> is to take training, and then at least prove it enough to
> have a card in my pocket.
Training is really the first step. The blue card is a 'satisfaction'
thing .... proof of a job well done .... kinda like an IFR ticket.
> Short of that, I don't think
> I'd be willing to even be a part of a large formation,
> and I'd seriously question someone's judgement if they
> thought that I was qualified without carrying the card.
This is really an issue between you and your 'close companion'. I don't
have a blue card because there aren't any groups that fly a Pitts or
Traumahawk, my two rides at this time, and the safest scenario is to not
mix aircraft types.
> I think formation is a blast, and a great way to have fun.
> I just think that it deserves a lot of respect for training
> and skill.
Absolutely. There's no safer way to get the experience.
> I would encourage anyone who likes this sort of
> thing to go for the training...I know I'd love to.
I plan on it when my -10 is done. Mike Stewart is near Atlanta and
that's probably where I'll get my official training.
> Hope
> they do something up by MSP some day. Oh, and if you're
> thinking you'll want to do formation, get a throttle
> quadrant, not push-pulls. From what I hear, you can't
> really be a part of such things in most groups unless
> you have a quadrant.
The problem is the vernier push-pull throttle cables. There is the
possibility that you may need full throttle (or idle) instantly and the
vernier button is something that may get overlooked in the panic.
There's the problem in formation where you're constantly changing
throttle and the 'button' keeps you from changing the throttle easily.
People flying formation with vernier throttles use a clamp to keep the
button pushed, and the clamp isn't easily removed.
FWIW, I have some Grumman friends that love to fly formation, and one of
the aircraft that flies formation with them .... is an RV-6.
Linn
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> David McNeill wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty
>>> years or
>>> so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with an IFR
>>> clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along (sort of
>>> loose
>>> deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When
>>> crossing the
>>> Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about
>>> 1/2 mile
>>> and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see if he
>>> was still
>>> on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4 o'clock" and
>>> there he was
>>> at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
>> Well, you're just not a candidate for formation flying. That's not a
>> bad thing. It isn't for everyone. Those of us that fly that way
>> look at it as just another flying skill. It takes training,
>> practice, and more practice. Formation flying isn't about how close
>> you can get, but how it looks to those on the ground. Spacing is
>> important to have a balanced group of airplanes. I like to fly
>> formation when I'm going places with other airplanes. It makes the
>> trip go faster as I'm intensely focused on that other airplane.
>> Sometimes I get too close for their comfort, and they let me know so
>> I can pick another 'sight picture' further out. I don't call 1/4
>> mile (1300 feet) 'in formation'. ;-)
>> Linn
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring |
Bob, I don't think there is one way that everyone is doing it.
I think that people either ground locally, or ground up on
the forest of tabs, and it's all their personal choice.
I know people have good luck both ways, but avionics aren't
standardized among us, so no way to know what overall will
be required for you to have a noise free system. I myself
pulled a welding cable ground all the way to the forest of
tabs up front. No noise. But, that's not the only, or
the "right" way necessarily.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
> Hi everybody, Im new to the list (I unsubscribed 3 yrs ago after I
> finished my 7A) and am working on a 10 (#871) here in Independence, OR.
> I know a few of you here, like Vern Smithand Rob Hickman. Ive got some
> questions. After an early failure of a Tefzel engine ground cable on my
> 7A, I replaced both cables coming off the battery with #2 welding cable,
> which I have been very happy with. I plan on utilizing it on the 10 as
> well. I based my wiring in the 7A on Nuckolls (Aeroelectric Connection)
> wiring schematic (roughly z-11), on my 7A, including the forest of
> ground tabs, which Ive also been very pleased with. My 7A has no
> hums, pops or crackles in my intercom and no electric gremlins have made
> themselves known yet in 3 years of flying. I love my Sirius music
> setup! In reviewing Vans wiring plans for the 10, I see that the
> ground cable from the battery is attached to the airframe near the
> battery box. Is everyone utilizing single point grounding for all the
> accessories(?) and if so, where are you mounting those single point
> grounds and what are you grounding there or not grounding there? And
> most importantly, are you picking up hums/pops or voodoo transients from
> strobes etc? I have none of that in my 7A and am hopeful Im smart
> enough to wire the 10 so its electrical system is as (electrically)
> clean as my other plane. Suggestions?? If anyone has photos or
> diagrams, feel free to load me up with them offline. The other question
> I have is whether anyone has a wiring diagram that incorporates a G900
> system. Id like some ideas on how its wired before I cover up some
> critical areas. Although Im a pro at drilling out rivets, I just dont
> dig it
>
>
>
> Bob Brown
>
>
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Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> Hi everybody, Im new to the list (I unsubscribed 3 yrs ago after I
> finished my 7A) and am working on a 10 (#871) here in Independence,
> OR. I know a few of you here, like Vern Smithand Rob Hickman. Ive got
> some questions. After an early failure of a Tefzel engine ground cable
> on my 7A, I replaced both cables coming off the battery with #2
> welding cable, which I have been very happy with. I plan on utilizing
> it on the 10 as well. I based my wiring in the 7A on Nuckolls
> (Aeroelectric Connection) wiring schematic (roughly z-11), on my 7A,
> including the forest of ground tabs, which Ive also been very
> pleased with. My 7A has no hums, pops or crackles in my intercom and
> no electric gremlins have made themselves known yet in 3 years of
> flying. I love my Sirius music setup! In reviewing Vans wiring plans
> for the 10, I see that the ground cable from the battery is attached
> to the airframe near the battery box. Is everyone utilizing single
> point grounding for all the accessories(?) and if so, where are you
> mounting those single point grounds and what are you grounding there
> or not grounding there? And most importantly, are you picking up
> hums/pops or voodoo transients from strobes etc? I have none of that
> in my 7A and am hopeful Im smart enough to wire the 10 so its
> electrical system is as (electrically) clean as my other plane.
> Suggestions??
>
I'll be running a separate ground cable from the battery, through the
firewall, and to the engine. From the firewall feed-through I'll run a
ground cable to the sub-panel where all my ground wires will terminate.
It's the 'ease of cranking' goal, and avoidance of gremlins you're wary
of. Poor grounds can really make a bald spot on your head as you scratch
while you try to trace down that gremlin!!! ;-)
Certified aircraft save money and weight by grounding to the frame, and
I've had some limited problems with that route over the years.
Linn
>
> If anyone has photos or diagrams, feel free to load me up with them
> offline. The other question I have is whether anyone has a wiring
> diagram that incorporates a G900 system. Id like some ideas on how
> its wired before I cover up some critical areas. Although Im a pro
> at drilling out rivets, I just dont dig it
>
> Bob Brown
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
Pascal, you are absolutely correct on this but it's not new news. It's actually
been pointed out a couple times before and is how I knew to swap my rim a
couple years ago at OSH before I installed it. You cannot mount the rim and then
expect to return it as new.
The reason I'm pointing this out is not to be a smart a$$, it's to remind people
that all these conversations are archived on the Matronics server and sometimes
a simple search can save you some time and $$. Use the tools given to you,
if you have any doubt ask the manufacturer and the list first.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
This may be obvious to some but I'll mention this anyway. I received my rim
before I knew of the issue of the stem hitting. Upon hearing about it I
setup the rim to "test" with the inner tube and tire and inflated to see if
I had an issue, I did, so I removed everything and, got an RMA and sent to
Matco. I just discovered that unless the rim is brand new and never touched,
as George at Matco put it, "like new to put back on shelf" one will be
billed $60. so when the shipping is added one is in for about $80 to get the
"right" piece.
So the lesson learned for me is and Tim nailed it with:
> So if you are not to the front wheel install portion yet, it is probably
> worth looking into either NOT buying the wheel from Van's, but buying the
> proper one direct....or, as soon as you get your brand new nosewheel, call
> Matco and get them to swap the half out.
The option I would have chosen is to have returned the rim and bought a
Grove personally it would have been much less expensive then this experience
turned out to be.
you'll need to make the decision before hand because once you "test" it
you're buying half of a new rim and that simply is not worth it.
To be clear Matco is honoring doing the right thing by fixing a complete
shortfall on Van's part and I commend them for doing so. I simply would not
return a part without knowing it was an issue first. Assume it's an issue
and let that decision be your final decision on what you determine is the
right course, the valve will work it just needs to have the cap removed to
do so.
Let my pain be your gain!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring |
Welcome! As a some others have done, I ran a separate #2 welding cable a
ll the way up to the firewall and used a bolt as a pass through and single
point ground. I'll ground my forest of tabs and the engine directly to tha
t point. It also serves as the airframe ground via the pass through bolt f
or any far flung devices like the led nav lights.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring
Hi everybody, I'm new to the list (I unsubscribed 3 yrs ago after I finishe
d my 7A) and am working on a 10 (#871) here in Independence, OR. I know a
few of you here, like Vern Smithand Rob Hickman. I've got some questions.
After an early failure of a Tefzel engine ground cable on my 7A, I replace
d both cables coming off the battery with #2 welding cable, which I have be
en very happy with. I plan on utilizing it on the 10 as well. I based my
wiring in the 7A on Nuckolls (Aeroelectric Connection) wiring schematic (ro
ughly z-11), on my 7A, including the "forest of ground tabs", which I've al
so been very pleased with. My 7A has no hums, pops or crackles in my inter
com and no electric gremlins have made themselves known yet in 3 years of f
lying. I love my Sirius music setup! In reviewing Van's wiring plans for
the 10, I see that the ground cable from the battery is attached to the air
frame near the battery box. Is everyone utilizing single point grounding f
or all the accessories(?) and if so, where are you mounting those single po
int grounds and what are you grounding there or not grounding there? And m
ost importantly, are you picking up hums/pops or voodoo transients from str
obes etc? I have none of that in my 7A and am hopeful I'm smart enough to
wire the 10 so its electrical system is as (electrically) clean as my other
plane. Suggestions?? If anyone has photos or diagrams, feel free to loa
d me up with them offline. The other question I have is whether anyone has
a wiring diagram that incorporates a G900 system. I'd like some ideas on
how it's wired before I cover up some critical areas. Although I'm a pro a
t drilling out rivets, I just don't dig it...
Bob Brown
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up |
FYI, my regular Vans supplied nose wheel works great. I am in annual right
now and just changed the axle. The stem is close, but does not contact.
Also, I used the newer, thicker, spacers from Vans when I built up the
wheel. When I took them off it looked like there was some evidence
rotation.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Pascal, you are absolutely correct on this but it's not new news. It's
actually been pointed out a couple times before and is how I knew to swap my
rim a couple years ago at OSH before I installed it. You cannot mount the
rim and then expect to return it as new.
The reason I'm pointing this out is not to be a smart a$$, it's to remind
people that all these conversations are archived on the Matronics server and
sometimes a simple search can save you some time and $$. Use the tools
given to you, if you have any doubt ask the manufacturer and the list first.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
This may be obvious to some but I'll mention this anyway. I received my rim
before I knew of the issue of the stem hitting. Upon hearing about it I
setup the rim to "test" with the inner tube and tire and inflated to see if
I had an issue, I did, so I removed everything and, got an RMA and sent to
Matco. I just discovered that unless the rim is brand new and never touched,
as George at Matco put it, "like new to put back on shelf" one will be
billed $60. so when the shipping is added one is in for about $80 to get the
"right" piece.
So the lesson learned for me is and Tim nailed it with:
> So if you are not to the front wheel install portion yet, it is probably
> worth looking into either NOT buying the wheel from Van's, but buying the
> proper one direct....or, as soon as you get your brand new nosewheel, call
> Matco and get them to swap the half out.
The option I would have chosen is to have returned the rim and bought a
Grove personally it would have been much less expensive then this experience
turned out to be.
you'll need to make the decision before hand because once you "test" it
you're buying half of a new rim and that simply is not worth it.
To be clear Matco is honoring doing the right thing by fixing a complete
shortfall on Van's part and I commend them for doing so. I simply would not
return a part without knowing it was an issue first. Assume it's an issue
and let that decision be your final decision on what you determine is the
right course, the valve will work it just needs to have the cap removed to
do so.
Let my pain be your gain!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring |
My preference is to run a ground wire out to the extremities instead of
using airframe ground. Current flow along with a little moisture and the
connection points will start to corrode where you have dissimilar
metals. Spraying the airframe ground connection points with something
like Boeshield cuts down on the moisture problem, but it won't go away
entirely. Your maintenance time down the road should be a consideration.
Linn
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Welcome! As a some others have done, I ran a separate #2 welding cable
> all the way up to the firewall and used a bolt as a pass through and
> single point ground. Ill ground my forest of tabs and the engine
> directly to that point. It also serves as the airframe ground via the
> pass through bolt for any far flung devices like the led nav lights.
>
> Michael
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob and
> Karen Brown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:37 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Hi everyone, a newbie with a question on wiring
>
> Hi everybody, Im new to the list (I unsubscribed 3 yrs ago after I
> finished my 7A) and am working on a 10 (#871) here in Independence,
> OR. I know a few of you here, like Vern Smithand Rob Hickman. Ive got
> some questions. After an early failure of a Tefzel engine ground cable
> on my 7A, I replaced both cables coming off the battery with #2
> welding cable, which I have been very happy with. I plan on utilizing
> it on the 10 as well. I based my wiring in the 7A on Nuckolls
> (Aeroelectric Connection) wiring schematic (roughly z-11), on my 7A,
> including the forest of ground tabs, which Ive also been very
> pleased with. My 7A has no hums, pops or crackles in my intercom and
> no electric gremlins have made themselves known yet in 3 years of
> flying. I love my Sirius music setup! In reviewing Vans wiring plans
> for the 10, I see that the ground cable from the battery is attached
> to the airframe near the battery box. Is everyone utilizing single
> point grounding for all the accessories(?) and if so, where are you
> mounting those single point grounds and what are you grounding there
> or not grounding there? And most importantly, are you picking up
> hums/pops or voodoo transients from strobes etc? I have none of that
> in my 7A and am hopeful Im smart enough to wire the 10 so its
> electrical system is as (electrically) clean as my other plane.
> Suggestions?? If anyone has photos or diagrams, feel free to load me
> up with them offline. The other question I have is whether anyone has
> a wiring diagram that incorporates a G900 system. Id like some ideas
> on how its wired before I cover up some critical areas. Although Im
> a pro at drilling out rivets, I just dont dig it
>
> Bob Brown
>
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| Subject: | AirCrafters Overhead Consoles--Price Reduced |
Some of you have seen our overhead console for the RV-10. It's a nice
solution to clean up the area were the windshield strut ties into the cabin
top, and it provides a convenient place for a lights and coax connections if
you decide to put an antenna above it.
I had a batch made and frankly they cost quite a bit more than I expected.
I have several in stock, and the price is going down.
See it here: www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm
The new price is $75 plus shipping.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | AirCrafters Overhead Consoles--Price Reduced |
On a budget?? Here is my """"Overhead Console"""". One ea blue and
white LED strips switched at the box in the picture and dimmed at the
panel. The led strips are mounted to an epoxy coated balsa cover that
hides the RG400 to the GPS antenna. The switch box covers the brace
mount screws. In the final configuration the switch box has a cover
plate (over the slot) with a High intensity 'DOT' type LED (battery -
independent of everything) with a diffused lens.
The Blue LEDs are not only functional - they look coool. All I need is
the fluffy dice!
Not as flash as Dave's. But hey - it only cost me $20 (Ozzie) for the
whole setup.
cheers,
Ron
187 final countdown.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 9:47 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: AirCrafters Overhead Consoles--Price Reduced
Some of you have seen our overhead console for the RV-10. It's
a nice solution to clean up the area were the windshield strut ties into
the cabin top, and it provides a convenient place for a lights and coax
connections if you decide to put an antenna above it.
I had a batch made and frankly they cost quite a bit more than I
expected. I have several in stock, and the price is going down.
See it here: www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm
The new price is $75 plus shipping.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Taxes in California |
Well with the wife as a Ca Sales tax Appeals auditor, I have some
recommendations. Pay the tax on all the parts as you purchase them and
claim them on your state yearly return. This will keep the BOE department
off your case and will have proof the tax is paid on the actual cost to get
the plane.
If you wait until it is registered and the county and the state do there
annual comparison on taxes paid vs registered aircraft, and they will I can
promise you that. Paying as you purchase will save you a tone of $$ not
counting the penalties and fines and the back taxes and interest in the long
run.
Now as for property tax once it is registered you have to take that up with
the county you have the plane stored at.
Plan on 1% of the average value for the make and model and how it is
equipped.
Any one is welcome to contact me if they have questions.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
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| Subject: | parts to omit from kit? |
I had mine shipped to Ca and for the price I could not drive there and
back,,
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parts to omit from kit?
Might as well buy an extra pair of trim tab skins as well. Some get them
okay in 2 tries, some take 3. Not sure which category I will fit in, but
not the perfect on first try group. ;-(
Note, if you are thinking driving to the factory for your demo and
purchasing emp kit to bring home, I don't know whether they have any
kits crated ready to go...normally take a few days to ship them out.
Also, takes a full size pickup with 49" between wheel wells and 8 ft bed
with tailgate down. Their web site crate size is wrong, as they have
gone from 2 crates to a single, wider crate. F150 and Dodge Ram are
okay. Don't know about Chevy. Not to mention the box is around 300lbs.
Don McDonald wrote:
> Hey Nate, first tell us where you are? Lot's of us have extra parts,
> and someone close to you could get together with you and give you a
> really good breakdown of what you could delete, and what you need in
> addition. I did delete quite a few things from the later kit
> segments, but I also sent quite a few things back to Van's.... enough
> little items to pay for my seat belts.
> One thing is certain, buy more #6 and #8 nutplates.
>
> --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Nate Lewis /<nlewis@wildblue.net>/* wrote:
>
> From: Nate Lewis <nlewis@wildblue.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: parts to omit from kit?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 8:24 AM
>
> <nlewis@wildblue.net>
>
> delurking, and hello folks -
>
> I think I'm about ready to pull the trigger and go visit the factory
for a
> flight, and come home with the emp kit.
>
> The recent talk of stainless heater valves and door latches has me
wondering:
> is there a list of parts to consider deleting from the stock RV-10
kits, in
> favor of other solutions? from what I've read, I'm guessing there's
> nothing to omit from the empennage, perhaps just a couple things in
the wings,
> and dozens of items in the remaining kits.
>
> I should probably ask the same question about the recommended tools
list, but
> I'm sure I wouldn't get the same answers from any two people, so
> I'll just muddle through that part on my own. :)
>
> I guess I've got plenty of time to soak up ideas about the fuse kit
and
> beyond, but I might order the wing kit real soon now. any particular
advice at
> order time?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
Good point with the throttle comments Tim. The restriction is actually
against a vernier type throttle that requires a push lock to be released to
make large power changes like most prop levers. The normal push-pull type
works fine. You are right that many folks prefer the quadrant type.
Dick "Frogman" Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>
> Linn, personally, I agree with you. I love flying side by side.
> It makes the time go quicker, and you can have a lot of fun
> being 50' (or less) away if you're careful. With only 2 planes
> involved, it isn't such a big problem. Make it 3 and bring
> them in to less than 50' and you are really changing the
> amount of workload. Bring them in to 15' and it's nonstop
> hard work. I really enjoy flying side by side with people.
> It's some of the best fun I've had, flying with Vic, and with
> Scott, Stein, and others. But, I definitely realize that while
> I may have fun with 2 or 3, there's no way without more
> training, and also TRUST that I'd want to get more involved.
> Trust is more important and involved than I think people
> understand until they've been that close. When I did the
> 3-ship, Josh B, a really REALLY good pilot, was the reason
> I was able to be that close. It was more his skill than mine.
> It was harder than it looks in the photo...and it took
> over a hundred photos to get that one. To me, I don't know
> that I know 10 RV-10 builders that I can say that I would
> without a doubt trust to do a 10, or even 5 ship formation.
> How COULD I know I could trust them. I know that 2 planes
> together isn't so bad, but I know that 3 is real hard work.
> The only way I know I could even begin to trust them, or me,
> is to take training, and then at least prove it enough to
> have a card in my pocket. Short of that, I don't think
> I'd be willing to even be a part of a large formation,
> and I'd seriously question someone's judgement if they
> thought that I was qualified without carrying the card.
> I think formation is a blast, and a great way to have fun.
> I just think that it deserves a lot of respect for training
> and skill. I would encourage anyone who likes this sort of
> thing to go for the training...I know I'd love to. Hope
> they do something up by MSP some day. Oh, and if you're
> thinking you'll want to do formation, get a throttle
> quadrant, not push-pulls. From what I hear, you can't
> really be a part of such things in most groups unless
> you have a quadrant.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> David McNeill wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed. Another aircraft within a quarter mile; no thanks. Twenty years
>>> or
>>> so ago I and an instrument student left for OSH out TUL with an IFR
>>> clearance on a VFR day. Another VFR pilot ask to tag along (sort of
>>> loose
>>> deuce) and we would keep in contact on the second radio. When crossing
>>> the
>>> Mississippi River near St. Louis, visibility had dropped to about 1/2
>>> mile
>>> and I told my student I would check on the VFR pilot to see if he was
>>> still
>>> on frequency. To my surprise he said "check your 4 o'clock" and there he
>>> was
>>> at about 1/4 mile. That's close enough for me.
>> Well, you're just not a candidate for formation flying. That's not a bad
>> thing. It isn't for everyone. Those of us that fly that way look at it
>> as just another flying skill. It takes training, practice, and more
>> practice. Formation flying isn't about how close you can get, but how it
>> looks to those on the ground. Spacing is important to have a balanced
>> group of airplanes. I like to fly formation when I'm going places with
>> other airplanes. It makes the trip go faster as I'm intensely focused on
>> that other airplane. Sometimes I get too close for their comfort, and
>> they let me know so I can pick another 'sight picture' further out. I
>> don't call 1/4 mile (1300 feet) 'in formation'. ;-)
>> Linn
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP |
Heres my problem. I do some of my assembly in the livingroom of our home and my
wife thinks I'm crazy and that nobody else does this. If your assembly shop is
in the house to lets here about it. Maybe that would help me with the debate.
[Wink] [/b]
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| Subject: | LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP |
For the first year and a half it was in the house and garage. Then it got
to big and I moved to the hanger.......my wife was not very happy with that
because now I wasn't "home".........tell her that she needs to be careful
what she asks for......
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mds4878
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP
Heres my problem. I do some of my assembly in the livingroom of our home and
my wife thinks I'm crazy and that nobody else does this. If your assembly
shop is in the house to lets here about it. Maybe that would help me with
the debate. [Wink] [/b]
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
It's an excellent platform for wing position.
A little tougher for lead due to poor aft visibility.
grumpy
On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I'm on thin ice here, but I was of the impression that the enclosed
> cabin cover, and lack a rearward visibility make the -10 a poor
> candidate for formation flying/work.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Ron Walker wrote:
>>
>> As Neil says, it's a surprising amount of work. Some find it very
>> satisfying, others not so much - it's not everyones cup of tea. For
>> anyone who wants to get their feet wet, there are several *free*
>> clinics held at various places throughout the country each year.
>> The next one is mid April in the Atlanta area. These are tailored
>> toward the total newbies and in my opinion worth ever penny and more.
>>
>> At the very least, you'll get to ride left seat while an
>> experienced pilot is right/back seat to take you through what the
>> picture and action is like up close.
>>
>> Food for thought.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Sarah Colliver" <ncol@xtra.co.nz
>> >
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dreams of 1,000
>>
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> I'll do my best to join any formation for 2010 at Osh. I did some
>>> air to air pics with a very skilled pilot, and was simply amazed
>>> at how much work it was as 110 knots in still air. I have a lot
>>> of respect for those aerobatic formations now. But if we're going
>>> to do it, I'll get the training.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
There's a simple rule when flying wing position.
You fly solely off the airplane you are flying off of.....
You cannot and should not look around at the others when in close
formation.
That's where the trust in training comes in.....
grumpy
On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Trust me, when you're in the formation, you don't have time to
> look behind you. It would be nice to have more viz for
> spotting everyone and getting together in formation, but
> you don't have much time for looking around when you're
> actually in formation. I'm absolutely no expert, and
> I know it must get easier as you spend countless hours
> on it, but it's very hard to hold position doing anything
> but keeping your eyes on the plane you're lined up with.
> That's why if the leader goes into the ground, sometimes
> the rest follow...they don't have time to know it's coming.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>> I'm on thin ice here, but I was of the impression that the enclosed
>> cabin cover, and lack a rearward visibility make the -10 a poor
>> candidate for formation flying/work.
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | squeezer for sale |
I just listed my Avery Pneumatic Rivet Sqeezer for sale on e-bay.
Here's the link if you are interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pneumatic-Rivet-Squeezer-Body-Only-w-Adjustable-set_W0QQitemZ270343088611QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Aviation_Parts_Gear?hash=item270343088611&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Thanks,
Sean Blair
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP |
I brought home all parts possible for deburring.... right on the coffee tab
le.... of course,-I put down towels and cardboard.- But that way I was
(sort of) home with the wife, but managed to get some much needed work done
..... while watching the tube!-- (--;
Don McDonald-
--- On Tue, 2/10/09, mds4878 <mike@profishenterprises.com> wrote:
From: mds4878 <mike@profishenterprises.com>
Subject: RV10-List: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP
<mike@profishenterprises.com>
Heres my problem. I do some of my assembly in the livingroom of our home an
d my
wife thinks I'm crazy and that nobody else does this. If your assembly shop
is in the house to lets here about it. Maybe that would help me with the de
bate.
[Wink] [/b]
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| Subject: | Baggage door seal kit |
I know somewhere I've seen a kit offered for baggage door seals, but I can't find
it. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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