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1. 01:03 AM - Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP (Patrick Pulis)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 05:52 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Rene Felker)
5. 06:12 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Kevin Belue)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Bob and Karen Brown)
7. 08:40 AM - Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (hsdexo)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Rick Sked)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
10. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion (Tim Olson)
11. 09:35 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (pascal)
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (pascal)
13. 10:12 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Jesse Saint)
14. 11:18 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
15. 11:20 AM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Tim Olson)
16. 12:18 PM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 12:29 PM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (pascal)
18. 02:42 PM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Scott Schmidt)
19. 05:06 PM - Re: Dreams of 1,000 (nukeflyboy)
20. 06:03 PM - Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP (Roger Standley)
21. 06:39 PM - Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP (egohr1)
22. 07:03 PM - Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up (Miller John)
23. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
24. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Dreams of 1,000 (Scott Schmidt)
25. 09:12 PM - Balance wheel pants ? (Deems Davis)
26. 09:23 PM - Re: Balance wheel pants ? (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
of it...and that's with the cap.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Don McDonald wrote:
> Ditto Rick. I believe all 4 RV10's in this area have gone to the Grove
> wheel. At least the 2 in Lincoln for sure. One had all the problems
> from the beginning with the stock wheel, and since the switch, no
> problems at all. We did do some work prior to flight to insure the axle
> stayed locked. Once I get flying, I'll comment further.
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, ricksked@embarqmail.com
> /<ricksked@embarqmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
> To: "Rv" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:19 PM
>
> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a
> point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Oh so close
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: John Gonzalez
> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know
> it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the
> valve stem cap on...is this = correct.-
>
> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
> work with the SS axle???
>
> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making
> thing complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>
> What else am I miss= ing?
>
> John
>
> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
> >
> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
> <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
> >
> > yep!<= br>>
> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
> >
> > P
> >
> > ------------= --------------------------------------
> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco
> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
> >
> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
> >>
> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
> >>
> >>= michael
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of
> Carl Froehlich
> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
> >>
> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
> >>
> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
> >>
> >> Carl Froehlich
> >>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I think this is a really important point that everyone needs to remember. Neither
of the problems, the mounting configuration nor the incorrect rim, are the
fault of Matco. The design of the axle and how it is mounted is entirely Van's
design. The reason we do not have the correct rim is Van's desire to keep
parts count down and so they use a rim from another RV design and Matco has
told Van's that the other rim would be a better choice. Matco has gone out of
their way to make their RV-10 customers happy to the extent of allowing us to
swap the rims at no more than the cost difference and shipping. They were also
concerned enough about all of the problems around the axel design that they
came up with their own solution and are selling it at what seems to be their
cost.
The Grove stuff sure looks nice and I may have even went that route if it was
available, or I knew about it, back then but it's important to note that Matco's
products are just fine and they obviously have some exceptional customer service
to boot. Just remember the design flaws are just that, Van's design flaws
and Van's has chosen not to address them. Don't blame Matco.
Just my $0.02
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10
Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
of it...and that's with the cap.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I usually don't like to get in these discussions....we all make our own decisions.
But, "design flaws" and "wrong wheel" are inaccurate descriptions. For
people who are just observing this lists, you would think we all were having a
major problem with our nose wheels. From what I know, other than some wear problems
with the ordinal spacers, there have not been any adverse affects of the
design. I used the thinker spacers and after one year of operation have not
had a problem with the stock (vans) wheel. When I removed the wheel from the
fork last week, I did note some evidence of wear with the larger spacer, but
nothing I would be concerned about. I did go to the new axle, but that was really
just me following the heard. I ordered the axle before I had taken the
wheel off and if I would have waited I would not have replaced the axle. I think
the Matco axle is a better design, but there are hundreds of places on the
plane that could be designed differently (better???), but is that just part of
the personal preference.
Bottom line for me is:
Vans wheel and axle (with thicker spacers) worked fine for me.
Valve stem clears fork with cap on.
Matco axle appears to be better design, but has more parts and possible failure
modes.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10
Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I think this is a really important point that everyone needs to remember. Neither
of the problems, the mounting configuration nor the incorrect rim, are the
fault of Matco. The design of the axle and how it is mounted is entirely Van's
design. The reason we do not have the correct rim is Van's desire to keep
parts count down and so they use a rim from another RV design and Matco has
told Van's that the other rim would be a better choice. Matco has gone out of
their way to make their RV-10 customers happy to the extent of allowing us to
swap the rims at no more than the cost difference and shipping. They were also
concerned enough about all of the problems around the axel design that they
came up with their own solution and are selling it at what seems to be their
cost.
The Grove stuff sure looks nice and I may have even went that route if it was
available, or I knew about it, back then but it's important to note that Matco's
products are just fine and they obviously have some exceptional customer service
to boot. Just remember the design flaws are just that, Van's design flaws
and Van's has chosen not to address them. Don't blame Matco.
Just my $0.02
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10
Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
of it...and that's with the cap.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I believe the Matco and Grove wheels are both workable solutions to
the nose wheel issues. I installed the Grove wheel and like it better
than the Matco because the wheel should spin freely with the nose
wheel held off the ground. The Grove wheel spins freely, but the Matco
won't because it has more drag due to the bearings/seals. The Grove
bearings/seals are the same as the main gear wheel bearings and don't
drag. My hanger entrance has a slight incline and I could not push the
plane in by myself with the Matco wheel, but I can now that I have the
Grove wheel installed. I really like the Grove axle because there are
no adjustments- put it on and it works. The spacers have pins that
prevent them from spinning.
Kevin Belue
RV-6A
RV-10
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
> issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
> now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
> wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
> wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
> why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
> not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
>
> Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
> the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
> of it...and that's with the cap.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Don McDonald wrote:
>> Ditto Rick. I believe all 4 RV10's in this area have gone to the
>> Grove wheel. At least the 2 in Lincoln for sure. One had all the
>> problems from the beginning with the stock wheel, and since the
>> switch, no problems at all. We did do some work prior to flight to
>> insure the axle stayed locked. Once I get flying, I'll comment
>> further.
>> Don McDonald --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, ricksked@embarqmail.com /<ricksked@embarqmail.com
>> >/* wrote:
>> From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>> To: "Rv" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:19 PM
>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to
>> what
>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel
>> never
>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a
>> point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> Oh so close
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> ---
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
>> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I
>> know
>> it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put
>> the
>> valve stem cap on...is this = correct.-
>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
>> work with the SS axle???
>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making
>> thing complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>> What else am I miss= ing?
>> John
>> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle
>> replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>> >
>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
>> <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>> >
>> > yep!<= br>>
>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle
>> replacement
>> write-upMatco
>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>> >
>> Sausen)"
>> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> >>
>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say
>> RV-10.
>> >>
>> >>= michael
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of
>> Carl Froehlich
>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle
>> replacement
>> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>> >>
>> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>> >>
>> >> Carl Froehlich
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both the
RV7A
and the RV10. Here=92s my question, does that mean I still have to
order the
Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned valve stem cap? If I
order
just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED the Matco nosewheel axle assy?
Call me confused=85
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
axel...only
thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete engineered
WORKING
assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or spacers to deal
with....I
hope that this is the final answer to what equates to a very simple
engineering solution...the nose wheel never should have generated this
much
trouble...I knew there would be a point in my life I would regret not
getting my P.E. Stamp...
Rick Sked
40185
Oh so close
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
_____
From: John Gonzalez
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
ordering th
e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know it will work
with th
e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the valve stem cap on...is
this
correct.-
If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
work with
the SS axle???
I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making thing
complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
What else am I miss= ing?
John
> From: pascal@rv10builder.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
> Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>
> --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
<=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>
> yep!<= br>>
> WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>
> P
>
> ------------= --------------------------------------
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> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
> To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco
> RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>
>> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>>
>>= michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
>> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>>
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>>
>> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Tim, I would say now to go with the best coverage. Your prices are right in line
with mind for the same coverage. Go with the best value for you dollar.
R/
Read this topic online here:
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RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:12:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatc
o =C2- RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both the RV7A
and the RV10.=C2- Here=99s my question, does that mean I still hav
e to order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned valve stem ca
p?=C2- If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED the Matco nos
ewheel axle assy?=C2- Call me confused
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatc
o RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and axel...only t
hing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete engineered WORKING as
sembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or spacers to deal with....I hop
e that this is the final answer to what equates to a very simple engineerin
g solution...the nose wheel never should have generated this much trouble..
.I knew there would be a point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E
. Stamp...
Rick Sked
40185
Oh so close
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>From : John Gonzalez
Date : Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
To : RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject : RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMat
co RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am ordering
th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know it will work
with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the valve stem cap
on...is this = correct.-
If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it work
with the SS axle???
I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making thing co
mplicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
What else am I miss= ing?
John
> From: pascal@rv10builder.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement write-
upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
> Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>
> --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal" <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net
>
>
> yep!<= br>>
> WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>
> P
>
> ------------= --------------------------------------
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
> To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-
upMatco
> RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>
>> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>>
>>= michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl Froe
hlich
>> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>>
ch@cox.net>
>>
>> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>>
>> Carl Froehlich
>>
>>
>>
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The Grove wheel is an entire assembly including the axel. I went with the G
rove unit because it addresses the valve stem,and the spacer issue I had a
lready mounted the wheel so trading in wasn't an option. The Grove axel is
desi gned by Grove for that wheel. It fits perfectly and unless you use a 3
' breaker bar to install the bolt it will free wheel all day long due to th
e internal spacer. Plus you can get it in Magnesium if you want. I spoke wi
th them about their version and they told me there had not been any issues
at all with their wheel & Axel assembly. Once you see it you'll understand
why. If I had the option I would have traded in my Matco just for cost savi
ngs. All in all it was about $285 well spent. It was very easy to static ba
lance the wheel on the axel. I spun it up with a buffer and it rode true wi
=====================
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
If you have a Matco nosewheel axle for them, you shouldn't have
a problem running a valve cap on the stem, regardless of the wheel
you use. With the "right" wheel you'll have tons of clearance,
with the "wrong" wheel it'll still work fine. Just note that
I've had all versions of axles/spacers from Van's, And the
Matco Axle setup, and I've always had the "wrong" wheel, and
I STILL have always been able to always run a valve cap. I
just didn't have as much clearance in the past as I do now, now
that I have the Matco Axle setup. For that matter, even if
something weren't yet perfect, it could be fixed easily by
shaving a 1/16" off of the spacer on one side of the
axle, and adding a large flat washer on the other side.
But I hesitate to even say that because that's going to an
extreme that is probably way unnecessary.
Also, if you order the grove nosewheel, I don't think you want
the Matco axle assy, from what it sounds like...although I've
never seen a grove axle assembly picture.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
> OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both the
> RV7A and the RV10. Heres my question, does that mean I still have to
> order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned valve stem
> cap? If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED the Matco
> nosewheel axle assy? Call me confused
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *ricksked@embarqmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
> *To:* Rv
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>
>
> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a point
> in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Oh so close
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From*: John Gonzalez
> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am ordering
> th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know it will work
> with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the valve stem cap
> on...is this = correct.-
>
>
>
> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it work
> with the SS axle???
>
>
>
> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making thing
> complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>
>
>
> What else am I miss= ing?
>
>
>
> John
>
> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
> >
> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal" <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
> >
> > yep!<= br>>
> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
> >
> > P
> >
> > ------------= --------------------------------------
> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco
> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
> >
> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
> >>
> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
> >>
> >>= michael
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl
> Froehlich
> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
> >>
> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
> >>
> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
> >>
> >> Carl Froehlich
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance comparison...what's your opinion |
Thank you and thank everyone else for their comments on and off
line. I did decide that at least this year I'd go with Global,
and pay a little more but get a little better coverage. This
year I'm maybe doing a little more travel that I would be
comfortable having that extra insurance for. It's only
a once-a-year bill anyway. Might add a couple of ratings
this year too, so who knows, next year I may see another drop.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
hsdexo wrote:
>
> Tim, I would say now to go with the best coverage. Your prices are right in line
with mind for the same coverage. Go with the best value for you dollar.
>
> R/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229969#229969
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>From what I know $299 at Grove gets it all axle, rim etc..
If you already have the Matco rim, send it back to Matco and get the
"right" one. I needed to verify that I had an issue first so I was
charged as a used rim, even at that price it turned out to be less
expensive than the Grove would have been.
From: Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:12:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both the
RV7A and the RV10. Here=99s my question, does that mean I still
have to order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned valve
stem cap? If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED the
Matco nosewheel axle assy? Call me confused
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a point
in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
Rick Sked
40185
Oh so close
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
From: John Gonzalez
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know
it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the
valve stem cap on...is this = correct.-
If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
work with the SS axle???
I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making thing
complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
What else am I miss= ing?
John
> From: pascal@rv10builder.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
> Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>
> --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
<=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>
> yep!<= br>>
> WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>
> P
>
> ------------= --------------------------------------
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
> To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco
> RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>
>> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>>
>>= michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
>> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>>
<=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>
>> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>>
>> Carl Froehlich
>>
>>
>>
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The Grove wheel is an entire assembly including the axel. I went with
the Grove unit because it addresses the valve stem,and the spacer issue
I had already mounted the wheel so trading in wasn't an option. The
Grove axel is designed by Grove for that wheel. It fits perfectlyand
unless you use a 3' breaker bar to install the bolt it will free wheel
all day long due to the internal spacer. Plus you can get it inMagnesium
if you want. I spoke with them about their version and theytold me there
had not been any issues at all with their wheel & Axel assembly. Once
you see it you'll understand why. If I had the option I would have
traded in my Matco just for cost savings. All in all it was about $285
well spent. It was very easy to static balance the wheel on the axel.I
spun it up with a buffer and it rode true with no vibration. Rick
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Although one may argue that the cap is not necessary, with my finishing kit
and following the instructions to a "t" there is no way I would have been
able to work a solution to allow me to keep a cap on the valve. I had close
to 1/8th overlap with the cap and 1/16th without, even moving spacers and
such would not have worked for me.
I simply want to let many know that in this case what may not work for me or
Tim may or may not work for someone else. Given the chance get the right
tool for the job, in this case the right rim, you can do what I did and see
if it's going to impact you and if it does replace it or you can just do as
many have said, tell Van's to keep the "wrong" rim and order the right one
directly either Grove or Matco.
I ended up ordering a new rim with the axle, I could have tested the new
axle and seen if that solved the gap issue before possibly needing to
replace the rim but I'm okay with having replaced it with the "right" piece.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> If you have a Matco nosewheel axle for them, you shouldn't have
> a problem running a valve cap on the stem, regardless of the wheel
> you use. With the "right" wheel you'll have tons of clearance,
> with the "wrong" wheel it'll still work fine. Just note that
> I've had all versions of axles/spacers from Van's, And the
> Matco Axle setup, and I've always had the "wrong" wheel, and
> I STILL have always been able to always run a valve cap. I
> just didn't have as much clearance in the past as I do now, now
> that I have the Matco Axle setup. For that matter, even if
> something weren't yet perfect, it could be fixed easily by
> shaving a 1/16" off of the spacer on one side of the
> axle, and adding a large flat washer on the other side.
> But I hesitate to even say that because that's going to an
> extreme that is probably way unnecessary.
>
> Also, if you order the grove nosewheel, I don't think you want
> the Matco axle assy, from what it sounds like...although I've
> never seen a grove axle assembly picture.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both the
>> RV7A and the RV10. Heres my question, does that mean I still have to
>> order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned valve stem cap?
>> If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED the Matco nosewheel
>> axle assy? Call me confused
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *ricksked@embarqmail.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
>> *To:* Rv
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a point
>> in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>>
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> Oh so close
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am ordering
>> th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know it will work
>> with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the valve stem cap
>> on...is this = correct.-
>>
>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it work
>> with the SS axle???
>>
>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making thing
>> complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>>
>> What else am I miss= ing?
>>
>> John
>>
>> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>> >
>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal" <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>> >
>> > yep!<= br>>
>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco
>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>> >
>> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> >>
>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>> >>
>> >>= michael
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl
>> Froehlich
>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>> >>
>> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>> >>
>> >> Carl Froehlich
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I am just in the process of doing the axle swap for a friend. His
plane previously had the aluminum axle spacers. I personally don't
see how the Matco axle will make any difference whatsoever (now it
might make a difference with the original axle length, which was
shortened by about 1/16" to get a better preload on the bearings).
One side of the Matco axle has the contour of the bearing, but the
other side does not. The Matco axle does have a bolt that will keep
the axle from spinning, but the shortened axle with the aluminum
spacers was spinning anyway. Also, if the set screw were to come
loose on the matco axle, the axle nut would easily loosen and then the
wheel would spin on the axle and not on the bearings, which would be
worse than the Van's axle with aluminum spacers, just as Rene mentioned.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I usually don't like to get in these discussions....we all make our
> own decisions. But, "design flaws" and "wrong wheel" are
> inaccurate descriptions. For people who are just observing this
> lists, you would think we all were having a major problem with our
> nose wheels. From what I know, other than some wear problems with
> the ordinal spacers, there have not been any adverse affects of the
> design. I used the thinker spacers and after one year of operation
> have not had a problem with the stock (vans) wheel. When I removed
> the wheel from the fork last week, I did note some evidence of wear
> with the larger spacer, but nothing I would be concerned about. I
> did go to the new axle, but that was really just me following the
> heard. I ordered the axle before I had taken the wheel off and if I
> would have waited I would not have replaced the axle. I think the
> Matco axle is a better design, but there are hundreds of places on
> the plane that could be designed differently (better???!
> ), but is that just part of the personal preference.
>
> Bottom line for me is:
> Vans wheel and axle (with thicker spacers) worked fine for me.
> Valve stem clears fork with cap on.
> Matco axle appears to be better design, but has more parts and
> possible failure modes.
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:18 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-
> upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> >
>
> I think this is a really important point that everyone needs to
> remember. Neither of the problems, the mounting configuration nor
> the incorrect rim, are the fault of Matco. The design of the axle
> and how it is mounted is entirely Van's design. The reason we do
> not have the correct rim is Van's desire to keep parts count down
> and so they use a rim from another RV design and Matco has told
> Van's that the other rim would be a better choice. Matco has gone
> out of their way to make their RV-10 customers happy to the extent
> of allowing us to swap the rims at no more than the cost difference
> and shipping. They were also concerned enough about all of the
> problems around the axel design that they came up with their own
> solution and are selling it at what seems to be their cost.
>
> The Grove stuff sure looks nice and I may have even went that route
> if it was available, or I knew about it, back then but it's
> important to note that Matco's products are just fine and they
> obviously have some exceptional customer service to boot. Just
> remember the design flaws are just that, Van's design flaws and
> Van's has chosen not to address them. Don't blame Matco.
>
> Just my $0.02
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:44 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-
> upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>
> I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
> issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
> now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
> wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
> wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
> why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
> not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
>
> Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
> the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
> of it...and that's with the cap.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
You can't see how it can make a difference? I can't see how you
can't see that. You can set the preload independent of the
axle bolt, you can lock the spacers from spinning, the spacer
is thicker and has more contact area on the bearing, and so on.
The axle shouldn't spin at all, neither should the spacers.
Also, that fillet on the axle on the Matco axle isn't there
as a contour to match the bearing. I clarified it with them.
That's just a machining fillet to keep the strength of that
intersection there. They spoke directly with Timken that in
the case of those bearings you can push directly on the
rubber seal...and their spacer design covers more of that
seal than the original designs...giving it less problems
with the ripping of the seal, that I've seen. I think both
Scott and I had ripped rubber seals on our front wheel bearings.
Agreed, the set screw is a required item, but they do send
you a very good special style locknut to use just to prevent
that very problem.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I am just in the process of doing the axle swap for a friend. His plane
> previously had the aluminum axle spacers. I personally don't see how
> the Matco axle will make any difference whatsoever (now it might make a
> difference with the original axle length, which was shortened by about
> 1/16" to get a better preload on the bearings). One side of the Matco
> axle has the contour of the bearing, but the other side does not. The
> Matco axle does have a bolt that will keep the axle from spinning, but
> the shortened axle with the aluminum spacers was spinning anyway. Also,
> if the set screw were to come loose on the matco axle, the axle nut
> would easily loosen and then the wheel would spin on the axle and not on
> the bearings, which would be worse than the Van's axle with aluminum
> spacers, just as Rene mentioned.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
>>
>> I usually don't like to get in these discussions....we all make our
>> own decisions. But, "design flaws" and "wrong wheel" are inaccurate
>> descriptions. For people who are just observing this lists, you would
>> think we all were having a major problem with our nose wheels. From
>> what I know, other than some wear problems with the ordinal spacers,
>> there have not been any adverse affects of the design. I used the
>> thinker spacers and after one year of operation have not had a problem
>> with the stock (vans) wheel. When I removed the wheel from the fork
>> last week, I did note some evidence of wear with the larger spacer,
>> but nothing I would be concerned about. I did go to the new axle, but
>> that was really just me following the heard. I ordered the axle
>> before I had taken the wheel off and if I would have waited I would
>> not have replaced the axle. I think the Matco axle is a better
>> design, but there are hundreds of places on the plane that could be
>> designed differently (better???!
>> ), but is that just part of the personal preference.
>>
>> Bottom line for me is:
>> Vans wheel and axle (with thicker spacers) worked fine for me.
>> Valve stem clears fork with cap on.
>> Matco axle appears to be better design, but has more parts and
>> possible failure modes.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>> 801-721-6080
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
>> (Michael Sausen)
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:18 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>> I think this is a really important point that everyone needs to
>> remember. Neither of the problems, the mounting configuration nor the
>> incorrect rim, are the fault of Matco. The design of the axle and how
>> it is mounted is entirely Van's design. The reason we do not have the
>> correct rim is Van's desire to keep parts count down and so they use a
>> rim from another RV design and Matco has told Van's that the other rim
>> would be a better choice. Matco has gone out of their way to make
>> their RV-10 customers happy to the extent of allowing us to swap the
>> rims at no more than the cost difference and shipping. They were also
>> concerned enough about all of the problems around the axel design that
>> they came up with their own solution and are selling it at what seems
>> to be their cost.
>>
>> The Grove stuff sure looks nice and I may have even went that route
>> if it was available, or I knew about it, back then but it's important
>> to note that Matco's products are just fine and they obviously have
>> some exceptional customer service to boot. Just remember the design
>> flaws are just that, Van's design flaws and Van's has chosen not to
>> address them. Don't blame Matco.
>>
>> Just my $0.02
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:44 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>
>> I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
>> issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
>> now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
>> wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
>> wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
>> why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
>> not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
>>
>> Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
>> the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
>> of it...and that's with the cap.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Definitely...for ANYONE ordering a finishing kit today, I would
never accept the Van's suggested wheel. It would be crazy to
even have them ship it to you. It should be a mandatory
DROP from the finishing kit list that you order, because
either way, Grove or Matco, you would be better off with
the proper wheel.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
pascal wrote:
>
> Although one may argue that the cap is not necessary, with my finishing
> kit and following the instructions to a "t" there is no way I would have
> been able to work a solution to allow me to keep a cap on the valve. I
> had close to 1/8th overlap with the cap and 1/16th without, even moving
> spacers and such would not have worked for me.
> I simply want to let many know that in this case what may not work for
> me or Tim may or may not work for someone else. Given the chance get the
> right tool for the job, in this case the right rim, you can do what I
> did and see if it's going to impact you and if it does replace it or you
> can just do as many have said, tell Van's to keep the "wrong" rim and
> order the right one directly either Grove or Matco.
> I ended up ordering a new rim with the axle, I could have tested the new
> axle and seen if that solved the gap issue before possibly needing to
> replace the rim but I'm okay with having replaced it with the "right"
> piece.
> Pascal
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:43 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>>
>> If you have a Matco nosewheel axle for them, you shouldn't have
>> a problem running a valve cap on the stem, regardless of the wheel
>> you use. With the "right" wheel you'll have tons of clearance,
>> with the "wrong" wheel it'll still work fine. Just note that
>> I've had all versions of axles/spacers from Van's, And the
>> Matco Axle setup, and I've always had the "wrong" wheel, and
>> I STILL have always been able to always run a valve cap. I
>> just didn't have as much clearance in the past as I do now, now
>> that I have the Matco Axle setup. For that matter, even if
>> something weren't yet perfect, it could be fixed easily by
>> shaving a 1/16" off of the spacer on one side of the
>> axle, and adding a large flat washer on the other side.
>> But I hesitate to even say that because that's going to an
>> extreme that is probably way unnecessary.
>>
>> Also, if you order the grove nosewheel, I don't think you want
>> the Matco axle assy, from what it sounds like...although I've
>> never seen a grove axle assembly picture.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>>> OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both
>>> the RV7A and the RV10. Heres my question, does that mean I still
>>> have to order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned
>>> valve stem cap? If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED
>>> the Matco nosewheel axle assy? Call me confused
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *ricksked@embarqmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
>>> *To:* Rv
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>
>>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
>>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
>>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a
>>> point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>>>
>>> Rick Sked
>>> 40185
>>> Oh so close
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>
>>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
>>> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know
>>> it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the
>>> valve stem cap on...is this = correct.-
>>>
>>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
>>> work with the SS axle???
>>>
>>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making
>>> thing complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>>>
>>> What else am I miss= ing?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net
>>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>>> >
>>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
>>> <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>>> >
>>> > yep!<= br>>
>>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>>> >
>>> > P
>>> >
>>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>>> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco
>>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>>> >
>>> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>> >>
>>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>>> >>
>>> >>= michael
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl
>>> Froehlich
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>>> >>
>>> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>> >>
>>> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>>> >>
>>> >> Carl Froehlich
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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| Subject: | Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
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Hmm, that depends. Based on what someone had previously said, it may be less
expensive to accept the Van's wheel and then swap it because of Van's discount's.
Something to be compared either way.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV-10
Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
Definitely...for ANYONE ordering a finishing kit today, I would
never accept the Van's suggested wheel. It would be crazy to
even have them ship it to you. It should be a mandatory
DROP from the finishing kit list that you order, because
either way, Grove or Matco, you would be better off with
the proper wheel.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
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that pretty much nails it, however what if you already have the rim or
ordered the finish kit? no worries, as a reminder Tim mentioned a while
back, immediately call Matco and RMA the "untouched rim" and for $20 you'll
get the right rim.
So there is that option either way.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
> Definitely...for ANYONE ordering a finishing kit today, I would
> never accept the Van's suggested wheel. It would be crazy to
> even have them ship it to you. It should be a mandatory
> DROP from the finishing kit list that you order, because
> either way, Grove or Matco, you would be better off with
> the proper wheel.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
>>
>> Although one may argue that the cap is not necessary, with my finishing
>> kit and following the instructions to a "t" there is no way I would have
>> been able to work a solution to allow me to keep a cap on the valve. I
>> had close to 1/8th overlap with the cap and 1/16th without, even moving
>> spacers and such would not have worked for me.
>> I simply want to let many know that in this case what may not work for me
>> or Tim may or may not work for someone else. Given the chance get the
>> right tool for the job, in this case the right rim, you can do what I did
>> and see if it's going to impact you and if it does replace it or you can
>> just do as many have said, tell Van's to keep the "wrong" rim and order
>> the right one directly either Grove or Matco.
>> I ended up ordering a new rim with the axle, I could have tested the new
>> axle and seen if that solved the gap issue before possibly needing to
>> replace the rim but I'm okay with having replaced it with the "right"
>> piece.
>> Pascal
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:43 AM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>>
>>> If you have a Matco nosewheel axle for them, you shouldn't have
>>> a problem running a valve cap on the stem, regardless of the wheel
>>> you use. With the "right" wheel you'll have tons of clearance,
>>> with the "wrong" wheel it'll still work fine. Just note that
>>> I've had all versions of axles/spacers from Van's, And the
>>> Matco Axle setup, and I've always had the "wrong" wheel, and
>>> I STILL have always been able to always run a valve cap. I
>>> just didn't have as much clearance in the past as I do now, now
>>> that I have the Matco Axle setup. For that matter, even if
>>> something weren't yet perfect, it could be fixed easily by
>>> shaving a 1/16" off of the spacer on one side of the
>>> axle, and adding a large flat washer on the other side.
>>> But I hesitate to even say that because that's going to an
>>> extreme that is probably way unnecessary.
>>>
>>> Also, if you order the grove nosewheel, I don't think you want
>>> the Matco axle assy, from what it sounds like...although I've
>>> never seen a grove axle assembly picture.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>>>> OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both the
>>>> RV7A and the RV10. Heres my question, does that mean I still have to
>>>> order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned valve stem
>>>> cap? If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED the Matco
>>>> nosewheel axle assy? Call me confused
>>>>
>>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>> *ricksked@embarqmail.com
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
>>>> *To:* Rv
>>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>>>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>>>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>>>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
>>>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
>>>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a point
>>>> in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>>>>
>>>> Rick Sked
>>>> 40185
>>>> Oh so close
>>>>
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>>>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>>>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
>>>> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know it
>>>> will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the valve
>>>> stem cap on...is this = correct.-
>>>>
>>>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
>>>> work with the SS axle???
>>>>
>>>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making thing
>>>> complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>>>>
>>>> What else am I miss= ing?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net
>>>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
>>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>>>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>>>> >
>>>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
>>>> <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>>>> >
>>>> > yep!<= br>>
>>>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>>>> >
>>>> > P
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>>>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>>>> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>>> write-upMatco
>>>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>>>> >
>>>> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>>> >>
>>>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>= michael
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>>>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of Carl
>>>> Froehlich
>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>>>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>>> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>>>> >>
>>>> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Carl Froehlich
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >= =====================
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
That is right Tim. I actually had a bad tear on the rubber seal of one bearing
and excessive rubber wear on the other.
My issue apparently was not enough preload which I added on my next set.
My first set lasted to 250 hours and this set looked good even with the old system
for another 200 hours and I don't expect any problems with the new Matco axle.
I only have about 25 hours on the new axle and everything has been fine. The balancing
has eliminated the shaking. I'll pull the wheel pants off this weekend
to check for anything unusual and will post if I find something. No news is
good news.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:16:39 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
You can't see how it can make a difference? I can't see how you
can't see that. You can set the preload independent of the
axle bolt, you can lock the spacers from spinning, the spacer
is thicker and has more contact area on the bearing, and so on.
The axle shouldn't spin at all, neither should the spacers.
Also, that fillet on the axle on the Matco axle isn't there
as a contour to match the bearing. I clarified it with them.
That's just a machining fillet to keep the strength of that
intersection there. They spoke directly with Timken that in
the case of those bearings you can push directly on the
rubber seal...and their spacer design covers more of that
seal than the original designs...giving it less problems
with the ripping of the seal, that I've seen. I think both
Scott and I had ripped rubber seals on our front wheel bearings.
Agreed, the set screw is a required item, but they do send
you a very good special style locknut to use just to prevent
that very problem.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I am just in the process of doing the axle swap for a friend. His plane previously
had the aluminum axle spacers. I personally don't see how the Matco axle
will make any difference whatsoever (now it might make a difference with the
original axle length, which was shortened by about 1/16" to get a better preload
on the bearings). One side of the Matco axle has the contour of the bearing,
but the other side does not. The Matco axle does have a bolt that will keep
the axle from spinning, but the shortened axle with the aluminum spacers was
spinning anyway. Also, if the set screw were to come loose on the matco axle,
the axle nut would easily loosen and then the wheel would spin on the axle
and not on the bearings, which would be worse than the Van's axle with aluminum
spacers, just as Rene mentioned.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
>>
>> I usually don't like to get in these discussions....we all make our own decisions.
But, "design flaws" and "wrong wheel" are inaccurate descriptions. For
people who are just observing this lists, you would think we all were having
a major problem with our nose wheels. From what I know, other than some wear
problems with the ordinal spacers, there have not been any adverse affects of
the design. I used the thinker spacers and after one year of operation have
not had a problem with the stock (vans) wheel. When I removed the wheel from
the fork last week, I did note some evidence of wear with the larger spacer,
but nothing I would be concerned about. I did go to the new axle, but that was
really just me following the heard. I ordered the axle before I had taken the
wheel off and if I would have waited I would not have replaced the axle. I
think the Matco axle is a better design, but there are hundreds of places on
the plane that could be
designed differently (better???!
>> ), but is that just part of the personal preference.
>>
>> Bottom line for me is:
>> Vans wheel and axle (with thicker spacers) worked fine for me.
>> Valve stem clears fork with cap on.
>> Matco axle appears to be better design, but has more parts and possible failure
modes.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>> 801-721-6080
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:18 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>
>> I think this is a really important point that everyone needs to remember.
Neither of the problems, the mounting configuration nor the incorrect rim, are
the fault of Matco. The design of the axle and how it is mounted is entirely
Van's design. The reason we do not have the correct rim is Van's desire to keep
parts count down and so they use a rim from another RV design and Matco has
told Van's that the other rim would be a better choice. Matco has gone out
of their way to make their RV-10 customers happy to the extent of allowing us
to swap the rims at no more than the cost difference and shipping. They were
also concerned enough about all of the problems around the axel design that they
came up with their own solution and are selling it at what seems to be their
cost.
>>
>> The Grove stuff sure looks nice and I may have even went that route if it was
available, or I knew about it, back then but it's important to note that Matco's
products are just fine and they obviously have some exceptional customer
service to boot. Just remember the design flaws are just that, Van's design
flaws and Van's has chosen not to address them. Don't blame Matco.
>>
>> Just my $0.02
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:44 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>>
>> I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
>> issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
>> now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
>> wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
>> wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
>> why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
>> not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
>>
>> Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
>> the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
>> of it...and that's with the cap.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
I have done a LOT of formation flying in my RV-6, including with a 10. My observation:
the 10 is a poor formation platform. The visibility is not good because
of the cabin top/door post location and they usually have a vernier throttle
and not quadrant. It takes a lot of practice, you need to be really comfortable
with the other pilots, and it should never be taken lightly.
--------
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RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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The dinning room table is where the fuselage resided for a few weeks.
Every room in the house was storage...
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Heres my problem. I do some of my assembly in the livingroom of our
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I did not do any assembly / deburring in the house, but the parts storage was in
many rooms. You must not have been as insightful on the purchase of the house.
My real estate agent did not know how to handle a customer who specified
the size and configuration of the garage , three cars, no posts, as the first
priority
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco |
RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
I'm with Tim on this one........
grumpy N184JM and flying
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On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'd like to see a picture of why the wheel change fixes all of these
> issues and is so great. I don't understand....it seems that Matco
> now fixed the Axle, and that it's just Van's that chose the wrong
> wheel. So if a builder has the correct wheel and the Matco axle,
> wouldn't they be perfectly happy too? I need some photos to know
> why the Grove gets praise in the situation...does the axle design
> not allow it to spin or spacers spin?
>
> Also, with the Matco axle, even with the old Matco rims that aren't
> the "right" ones, the valve stem should clear fine from the looks
> of it...and that's with the cap.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Don McDonald wrote:
>> Ditto Rick. I believe all 4 RV10's in this area have gone to the
>> Grove wheel. At least the 2 in Lincoln for sure. One had all the
>> problems from the beginning with the stock wheel, and since the
>> switch, no problems at all. We did do some work prior to flight to
>> insure the axle stayed locked. Once I get flying, I'll comment
>> further.
>> Don McDonald --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, ricksked@embarqmail.com /<ricksked@embarqmail.com
>> >/* wrote:
>> From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>> To: "Rv" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:19 PM
>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to
>> what
>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel
>> never
>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a
>> point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> Oh so close
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject*: RE: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
>> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I
>> know
>> it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put
>> the
>> valve stem cap on...is this = correct.-
>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
>> work with the SS axle???
>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making
>> thing complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>> What else am I miss= ing?
>> John
>> > From: pascal@rv10builder.net > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle
>> replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>> >
>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal"
>> <=3Bpascal@rv10builder.net>
>> >
>> > yep!<= br>>
>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>> > To: <=3Brv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle
>> replacement
>> write-upMatco
>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>> >
>> Sausen)"
>> >> <=3Brvbuilder@sausen.net>
>> >>
>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say
>> RV-10.
>> >>
>> >>= michael
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list= -server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] = On Behalf Of
>> Carl Froehlich
>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 2009 8:= 07 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Matco= RV-10 Nosewheel Axle
>> replacement
>> >> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle= replacement write-up
>> >>
>> <=3Bcarl.froehlich@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >> What is the correct whee= l to ask for?
>> >>
>> >> Carl Froehlich
>> >>
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| Subject: | Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP |
Sure no posts...but look at all the posts you have now!!! On the list I mean ;)
I never felt too cramped in my 2 car until I shoved the plane into our hangar...we're
spoiled now...hangar is twice the size of the entire House!!!
Rick Sked
40185
------Original Message------
From: egohr1
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Feb 12, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: LIVINGROOM ASSEMBLY SHOP
I did not do any assembly / deburring in the house, but the parts storage was in
many rooms. You must not have been as insightful on the purchase of the house.
My real estate agent did not know how to handle a customer who specified
the size and configuration of the garage , three cars, no posts, as the first
priority
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eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Dreams of 1,000 |
I am not a formation expert but......
I've done some formation work with the Texas Air Aces (T-34's) when they were in
operation in Houston and have done a few formation flights with the 10 and other
planes and feel like I have a ton of visibility.
I also have a few hours flying in the Pitts bi-planes and the visibility is 50%
worse than the RV-10, maybe more, and pilots do formation work with it every
day.
Sean Tucker's school even teach formation work with their Pitts.
My guess is that the pilot is probably 95% of proper formation flying and not so
much the plane.
You guys just got me thinking about this.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: nukeflyboy <flymoore@charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:05:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Dreams of 1,000
I have done a LOT of formation flying in my RV-6, including with a 10. My observation:
the 10 is a poor formation platform. The visibility is not good because
of the cabin top/door post location and they usually have a vernier throttle
and not quadrant. It takes a lot of practice, you need to be really comfortable
with the other pilots, and it should never be taken lightly.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Balance wheel pants ? |
I've got a note on my 'to-do list' to balance the wheels and wheel
pants. I remember seeing a writeup some where about someone who had not
only balanced they wheels, but also their wheel pants. I tried the
archieve search but came up short, anybody know anything about how you
would balance wheel pants???
Deems Davis # 406
'getting close to 1st engine start'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Balance wheel pants ? |
So their pants aren't lopsided? ;-p
Not sure what the goal might be. About all I can think of is putting
them both on a scale to get their static weight close after all glass
work is done. Can't think of any difference it would make in how
things work.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
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> I've got a note on my 'to-do list' to balance the wheels and wheel pants. I
> remember seeing a writeup some where about someone who had not only balanced
> they wheels, but also their wheel pants. I tried the archieve search but
> came up short, anybody know anything about how you would balance wheel
> pants???
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'getting close to 1st engine start'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
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