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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Started (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 05:37 AM - AML34 connectors (Wayne Williams)
3. 06:32 AM - Re: Started (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:38 AM - Stock Lycoming (Dave Leikam)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: AML34 connectors (linn)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Stock Lycoming (Kelly McMullen)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: AML34 connectors (linn)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: Started (Rene)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: AML34 connectors (linn)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: Stock Lycoming (Carl Froehlich)
11. 08:47 AM - Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box (AirMike)
12. 08:55 AM - Re: Stock Lycoming (AirMike)
13. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Stock Lycoming (Andrew Johnson)
14. 09:40 AM - Re: Stock Lycoming (Matt Dralle)
15. 10:12 AM - Re: AML34 connectors (Jim Berry)
16. 10:30 AM - Re: weight & balance program (greghale)
17. 01:02 PM - Re: Stock Lycoming (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 01:05 PM - Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box (cjay)
19. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box (linn)
20. 02:14 PM - Re: Stock Lycoming (David McNeill)
21. 02:30 PM - Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box (woxofswa)
22. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box (Michael Kraus)
23. 02:43 PM - Re: Stock Lycoming (Robin Marks)
24. 05:59 PM - Re: Stock Lycoming (Tim Olson)
25. 07:29 PM - SilPruf window removal (Dave Saylor)
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Yep
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Started
Welcome aboard.... I hope you have as much fun and achieve the same level o
f satisfaction that most of us have had. ... somehow I'm almost thinking th
at I'm no longer the newcomer.
Question for all out there..... Since Sean is #40936, and I'm 40636, does
that mean they sold 300 kits since my purchase in Nov 2006?
Keep after it Sean, it's all about the hours put in.... I'm doing my weigh
t and balance this coming weekend. Not totally painted, but almost all put
together.
Don McDonald
--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
From: Seano <sean@braunandco.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Started
Hello everyone,
My name is Sean Strasburg and I just started my RV-10. I wanted to introdu
ce myself and make sure I am doing this right. I received my empennage on
the 3rd and now I am getting ready to rivet the VS. I have already learned
a lot from reading this matronics list. Also, I wanted to thank Scott Sch
midt for helping me with the stupid questions starting my kit and getting m
e a ride in his wonderful RV-10.
Serial 40936
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| Subject: | AML34 connectors |
What connectors should I use for the Honeywell AML34 rocker switches? The
common 1/4" Fast Ons are too loose. Thanks.
Wayne
rwayne@gamewood.net
Checked by AVG.
6:01 PM
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Ditto the welcome. Yes, serial numbers are empennage kits sold. I'm
40866, June 08.
Sean, don't worry if a task doesn't come out perfect. We all get
familiar with how to order replacement parts from Vans, how to devise
work arounds/repairs. All part of the learning process. It really pays
if you have a mentor or two nearby to brainstorm fixes, or just what
the manual means, if there are key elements to the instructions, or a
better way. It pays to spend time looking at Tim Olsen's construction
log, Mike Howe's log and others before initiating a task. You will
find some pictures work a lot better for understanding than Van's 3D
drawings. Just yesterday I was puzzling over an instruction, stopped
for lunch, read ahead a ways, and suddenly the light bulb went on as
to where my brain was trying to take a left turn that wasn't in the
plans.
Also, very few of us are trying to set any records for fastest
completion time. Main goal is to get it built in a form that is safe,
meets your personal standards and satisfies you. It takes whatever
time it takes.
Kelly
A&P/IA
Tech Counselor
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Don McDonald
<building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Welcome aboard....
> Question for all out there..... Since Sean is #40936, and I'm 40636, does
> that mean they sold 300 kits since my purchase in Nov 2006?
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I am close to ordering my engine. I originally wanted a BPE engine. In
order to save $$ I am now leaning toward a stock XIO-540 and Hartzell
prop combo from Van's. I am looking for opinions on this decision
regarding engine reliability, LOP operation with Bendix injection
system, smoothness and overall performance compared to the BPE or other
engine shop engine. I will probably install an ElectroAir ignition with
one mag. Thanks in advance for the input.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: AML34 connectors |
Wayne Williams wrote:
>
> What connectors should I use for the Honeywell AML34 rocker switches? The
> common 1/4" Fast Ons are too loose. Thanks.
>
Well, they shouldn't be. The problem may be in the connectors you're
using. Get some from an automotive supply place and compare the
thickness of the metal. Should be obvious.
You can crimp the 'curl' of the faston .... just be gentle, adn don't
overdo it ..... they're a b...h to push on of they're too tight!!!
Linn
> Wayne
> rwayne@gamewood.net
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 6:01 PM
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stock Lycoming |
Hard to go wrong with stock. That doesn't necessarily mean factory
built via Vans. I'd guess that the authorized engine kit shops, like
Barrett and Aerosport and Mattituck could be pretty competitive on
price if you stay with stock components. It is the changing fuel
system, ignition, sump, compression ratio, etc that add to the bottom
line. I'd be inclined to pursue quotes from at least the two shops
closest to you on a real apples to apples comparison so you have
comfort with your decision.
I operate LOP frequently on my IO-360A1A with stock Bendix mags,
Bendix FI with stock injectors. Plenty smooth after I had prop
balanced. Not sure what you mean on performance. With stock setup you
should get 260hp, within +/- 5%.
While I think I want the cold air induction sump, I also realize it
entails extra work if I go that route. I'll try to get Bendix mags
instead of the stock Slick. That's about all the changes I'd go for.
The closer to stock you stay, the quicker you finish....but you
already knew that.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Dave Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> I am close to ordering my engine. I originally wanted a BPE engine. In
> order to save $$ I am now leaning toward a stock XIO-540 and Hartzell prop
> combo from Van's. I am looking for opinions on this decision regarding
> engine reliability, LOP operation with Bendix injection system, smoothness
> and overall performance compared to the BPE or other engine shop engine. I
> will probably install an ElectroAir ignition with one mag. Thanks in
> advance for the input.
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AML34 connectors |
Wayne Williams wrote:
>
> What connectors should I use for the Honeywell AML34 rocker switches? The
> common 1/4" Fast Ons are too loose. Thanks.
>
Well, they shouldn't be. The problem may be in the connectors you're
using. Get some from an automotive supply place and compare the
thickness of the metal. Should be obvious.
You can crimp the 'curl' of the faston .... just be gentle, and don't
overdo it ..... they're a b...h to push on of they're too tight!!!
Linn
> Wayne
> rwayne@gamewood.net
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 6:01 PM
>
>
>
>
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If you ever need anything, let me know. I am up in Ogden and should be
finishing up my first annual in the next couple of weeks. My airplane is
no
where near as nice as Scotts, but it just shows that with the right
amount
of determination, anyone can build one of these. Next month, out local
EAA
Chapter (58), is going on a hanger visit to Brigham City to see John
Kirklands RV-10. If you want to see one that is partially built it
would be
a good opportunity. Our EAA chapter is very open to visitors and all
are
welcome.
www.eaa58.org <http://www.eaa58.org/>
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Started
I grew up in West Jordan, UT. I'm having a great time so far on the
kit. I
feel like I know everyone from reading these emails.
Sean
801-557-0658
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene <mailto:rene@felker.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Started
Sean, I think you will have a great time with the RV-10..
Where are you from?
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Started
Hello everyone,
My name is Sean Strasburg and I just started my RV-10. I wanted to
introduce myself and make sure I am doing this right. I received my
empennage on the 3rd and now I am getting ready to rivet the VS. I have
already learned a lot from reading this matronics list. Also, I wanted
to
thank Scott Schmidt for helping me with the stupid questions starting my
kit
and getting me a ride in his wonderful RV-10.
Serial 40936
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: AML34 connectors |
My apologies for the multiple posts.
Configuring a new computer. :-P
Working 'till 3 AM probably has something to do with it!!! ;-)
Good news is that is should fix my clock problem!!! :-)
Linn
linn wrote:
>
> Wayne Williams wrote:
>>
>> What connectors should I use for the Honeywell AML34 rocker switches?
>> The
>> common 1/4" Fast Ons are too loose. Thanks.
>>
> Well, they shouldn't be. The problem may be in the connectors you're
> using. Get some from an automotive supply place and compare the
> thickness of the metal. Should be obvious.
>
> You can crimp the 'curl' of the faston .... just be gentle, and don't
> overdo it ..... they're a b...h to push on of they're too tight!!!
> Linn
>
>> Wayne
>> rwayne@gamewood.net
>> Checked by AVG. 6:01 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I went down the same road. I liked the BPA engine but the cost was $8K -
$10K more than the deal you get at Van's. Considering the marginal gain
from the cold air induction, I decided BPA did not present a value for me.
I routinely run LOP above 6000' in my RV-8A, IO-360 (O-360 back fitted with
Air Flow Performance fuel injection) and dual electronic ignitions and the
Hartzell blended airfoil prop. The engine runs significant cooler and
smooth. I expect the same from the XIO-540 from Van's. I recently
completed RV-10 near me runs 20-30 degrees LOP, 176 kts TAS at 12 GPH. This
is with a Van's stock IO-540 (mags) and Hartzell prop.
Bottom line, you can get more engine if you want it - if you have no issue
with cost and want to routinely feed it the fuel needed to get that margin
of extra performance. For me, and what I want the airplane to do, the Van's
engine/prop deal is the value proposition.
Carl Froehlich
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
I am close to ordering my engine. I originally wanted a BPE engine. In
order to save $$ I am now leaning toward a stock XIO-540 and Hartzell prop
combo from Van's. I am looking for opinions on this decision regarding
engine reliability, LOP operation with Bendix injection system, smoothness
and overall performance compared to the BPE or other engine shop engine. I
will probably install an ElectroAir ignition with one mag. Thanks in
advance for the input.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box |
good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the motor mount,
but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some pull rivets on the assembly.
I also notice that you are in AZ.
It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler that claims
20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler. With the credit you get from
Van's on the std cooler, you net cost is about $120.
Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Stock Lycoming |
You might want to wait for OSH in July/August. Mattituck and Vans always seem to
have some kind of deal going the coincides with OSH. Last year Vans had a great
deal on a prop/engine combo. I got a fair deal on a Mattituck at OSH 2007.
Nice engine, and Mattituck claims a 2500 hr TBO on the TMX-IO540. They throw
in the freight and even provided lift gate residential delivery at no extra charge.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Stock Lycoming |
Mike,
I've never been to OSH, but would love to go this year if I thought I could
get a really good deal on an engine. What was the price tag?
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stock Lycoming
>
> You might want to wait for OSH in July/August. Mattituck and Vans always
> seem to have some kind of deal going the coincides with OSH. Last year
> Vans had a great deal on a prop/engine combo. I got a fair deal on a
> Mattituck at OSH 2007. Nice engine, and Mattituck claims a 2500 hr TBO on
> the TMX-IO540. They throw in the freight and even provided lift gate
> residential delivery at no extra charge.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230347#230347
>
>
>
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I can't offer any performance or reliability input at this point, but I can
say that the customer service and quality of assembly from Aero Sport Power
is excellent ( http://www.aerosportpower.com/ ). They delivered on time
and as promised and the IO-390 they built is a work of art. I went with
gloss black and chrome and she is a beauty!
Sue and Bart at ASP were great and emailed me photos of the build and break
in processes along the way. The engine arrived in perfect condition in a
very well constructed, plywood box. The 3-year warrantee from the first
flight is also hard to beat.
Here is a link to all of the pictures I received from ASP and also some I
took of the delivery:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=dralle&project=638&categ
ory=2972
I also opted for an additional 10 hours of break in to get me past those
initial, critical break in hours. The log book shows 11.5 hours of total
run time. Also the peace of mind knowing that the engine is running great
for that amount of time is comforting. The extra $1k was well worth the
investment in my opinion. I won't have to sweat some extended taxi testing
now...
Anyway, give Bart or Sue a call at ASP and talk to them about what they can
build for you. Great people; great service; great product.
http://www.aerosportpower.com/
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880/N998RV
Wiring...
At 07:36 AM 2/15/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
>I went down the same road. I liked the BPA engine but the cost was $8K -
$10K more than the deal you get at Van=92s. Considering the marginal gain
from the cold air induction, I decided BPA did not present a value for me.
>
>I routinely run LOP above 6000=92 in my RV-8A, IO-360 (O-360 back fitted
with Air Flow Performance fuel injection) and dual electronic ignitions and
the Hartzell blended airfoil prop. The engine runs significant cooler and
smooth. I expect the same from the XIO-540 from Van=92s. I recently
completed RV-10 near me runs 20-30 degrees LOP, 176 kts TAS at 12 GPH.
This is with a Van=92s stock IO-540 (mags) and Hartzell prop.
>
>Bottom line, you can get more engine if you want it ' if you have no
issue with cost and want to routinely feed it the fuel needed to get that
margin of extra performance. For me, and what I want the airplane to do,
the Van=92s engine/prop deal is the value proposition.
>
>Carl Froehlich
>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
>>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:37 AM
>>To: RV-10 matronics
>>Subject: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
>>
>>I am close to ordering my engine. I originally wanted a BPE engine. In
order to save $$ I am now leaning toward a stock XIO-540 and Hartzell prop
combo from Van's. I am looking for opinions on this decision regarding
engine reliability, LOP operation with Bendix injection system, smoothness
and overall performance compared to the BPE or other engine shop engine. I
will probably install an ElectroAir ignition with one mag. Thanks in
advance for the input.
>>
>>Dave Leikam
>>RV-10 #40496
>>N89DA (Reserved)
>>Muskego, WI
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Re: AML34 connectors |
Wayne,
You want the AMP PIDG Faston with a 0.205" tab width. Aircraft Spruce #640917-1
for 22-18AWG. See page 470 for other wire gauges.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance program |
Lenny,
I may make it this year, but not with the 10. I am hoping to have it at Sun n
Fun 2010 and Oshkosh 2010. All the extras I have done has slowed down my initial
estimate of Oshkosh. This is probably going to be my last airplane project,
so I am spending a little extra time making things right.
Greg...
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
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... or talk to any number of equally good US based companies and keep the dollars
here. I did find when I was looking at engines that the key really is apples
to apples comparison. Some throw in services that others charge for like balancing.
If you change one component you need to make sure it's the same with
everyone. Same thing with the prop, Jim Ayres is great to work with and matches
Van's prices. He gave me a really good deal on a new MT that someone ordered
and changed their mind on.
The Van's combo deal is a good price and I don't believe that anyone can beat
it flat out, but don't expect to change or customize anything. If you want to
switch out one component here and there talk to the other shops and you may
find they are competitive after having to order the extra components you want.
If you really want to save $$ go with a rebuilt for now and a used prop. Oh,
and you don't need to actually be at OSH or anywhere else for their "deals",
they take the orders like usual and the last couple times they had way more than
they actually advertised. It's the old "we only have a couple left so you
better order now" sales pitch.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
I can't offer any performance or reliability input at this point, but I can say that the customer service and quality of assembly from Aero Sport Power is excellent ( http://www.aerosportpower.com/ ). They delivered on time and as promised and the IO-390 they built is a work of art. I went with gloss black and chrome and she is a beauty!
Sue and Bart at ASP were great and emailed me photos of the build and break in
processes along the way. The engine arrived in perfect condition in a very well
constructed, plywood box. The 3-year warrantee from the first flight is also
hard to beat.
Here is a link to all of the pictures I received from ASP and also some I took
of the delivery:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=dralle&project=638&category=2972
I also opted for an additional 10 hours of break in to get me past those initial,
critical break in hours. The log book shows 11.5 hours of total run time.
Also the peace of mind knowing that the engine is running great for that amount
of time is comforting. The extra $1k was well worth the investment in my opinion.
I won't have to sweat some extended taxi testing now...
Anyway, give Bart or Sue a call at ASP and talk to them about what they can build for you. Great people; great service; great product. http://www.aerosportpower.com/
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880/N998RV
Wiring...
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| Subject: | Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box |
AirMike wrote:
> good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the motor mount,
but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some pull rivets on the assembly.
>
> I also notice that you are in AZ.
>
> It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler that claims
20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler. With the credit you get
from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost is about $120.
> Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.
Someone recommended this breather/separator
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php
Anyone know what benefit this actually has and if they recommend it?
cjay
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| Subject: | Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box |
cjay wrote:
>
>
> AirMike wrote:
>
>> good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the motor mount,
but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some pull rivets on the
assembly.
>>
>> I also notice that you are in AZ.
>>
>> It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler that claims
20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler. With the credit you get
from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost is about $120.
>> Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.
>>
>
>
> Someone recommended this breather/separator
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php
>
> Anyone know what benefit this actually has
Yes. It covers up the results of a tired engine so you don't care.
> and if they recommend it?
>
Absolutely not! Especially if you route the 'separated' back to the
engine for 'reuse'. That's some nasty stuff.
INMHO, if you're getting that much blow-by you should be entertaining
the top overhaul route and washing the belly more often.
Linn
> cjay
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230383#230383
>
>
>
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It all depends whether a builder wants to experiment and build or fly. One
of my buddies has suggested that the RV10/IO540/Hartzell Prop takeoff is
like a cat shot; another just likened it to pedal down on his corvette. I
have nothing against experimenting but recognize that every change you make
from the original plans require adjustments and time to accomplish them. For
me it is the Van's IO540/blended prop. It goes like a bullet but when you
see the fuel flow on takeoff at 22 gal/hr, its time slow down and lean.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
... or talk to any number of equally good US based companies and keep the
dollars here. I did find when I was looking at engines that the key really
is apples to apples comparison. Some throw in services that others charge
for like balancing. If you change one component you need to make sure it's
the same with everyone. Same thing with the prop, Jim Ayres is great to
work with and matches Van's prices. He gave me a really good deal on a new
MT that someone ordered and changed their mind on.
The Van's combo deal is a good price and I don't believe that anyone can
beat it flat out, but don't expect to change or customize anything. If you
want to switch out one component here and there talk to the other shops and
you may find they are competitive after having to order the extra components
you want. If you really want to save $$ go with a rebuilt for now and a
used prop. Oh, and you don't need to actually be at OSH or anywhere else
for their "deals", they take the orders like usual and the last couple times
they had way more than they actually advertised. It's the old "we only have
a couple left so you better order now" sales pitch.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
I can't offer any performance or reliability input at this point, but I can
say that the customer service and quality of assembly from Aero Sport Power
is excellent ( http://www.aerosportpower.com/ ). They delivered on time and
as promised and the IO-390 they built is a work of art. I went with gloss
black and chrome and she is a beauty!
Sue and Bart at ASP were great and emailed me photos of the build and break
in processes along the way. The engine arrived in perfect condition in a
very well constructed, plywood box. The 3-year warrantee from the first
flight is also hard to beat.
Here is a link to all of the pictures I received from ASP and also some I
took of the delivery:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=dralle&project=638&category
2972
I also opted for an additional 10 hours of break in to get me past those
initial, critical break in hours. The log book shows 11.5 hours of total
run time. Also the peace of mind knowing that the engine is running great
for that amount of time is comforting. The extra $1k was well worth the
investment in my opinion. I won't have to sweat some extended taxi testing
now...
Anyway, give Bart or Sue a call at ASP and talk to them about what they can
build for you. Great people; great service; great product.
http://www.aerosportpower.com/
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880/N998RV
Wiring...
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| Subject: | Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box |
Thanks for the info guys. It is good to know that I am not alone in my thoughts.
Without the plans for the finish kit or FWF kit, I had visions of an oopsie
by installing the box early, but now I will be ordering the box kit tomorrow.
One other question I had concerned treatment of the box itself. Would painting
or powdercoating of the box be appropriate or are most just installing FWF stuff
as bare aluminum?
The idea of the improved oil cooler is interesting. I imagine that it mates to
the standard support box.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box |
I have this ok my RV-4 and see no benefit from it. I still have an
oily belly... Your mileage may very....
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2009, at 4:03 PM, "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> AirMike wrote:
>> good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the
>> motor mount, but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some
>> pull rivets on the assembly.
>>
>> I also notice that you are in AZ.
>>
>> It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil
>> cooler that claims 20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler.
>> With the credit you get from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost
>> is about $120.
>> Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.
>
>
> Someone recommended this breather/separator
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php
>
> Anyone know what benefit this actually has and if they recommend it?
>
> cjay
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230383#230383
>
>
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Dave & I have spoken off line about engine choices. I am VERY pleased
with my BPE engine but it does have a few "extras" vs. the stock Vans
engine. That being said I don't think the base BPE engine was anywhere
near $8-10K more that Vans. In fact I doubt my final engine with cold
induction, custom paint, 9:1 and extra bench break in time was close to
the numbers quoted. Of course I purchased the unit "pre-depression" so
maybe I wasn't looking as hard at some of the invoices. I think the key
as mentioned earlier is comparing apples to apples. In the end I paid a
fair price for a very strong performing engine. BPE went out of their
way to deliver exactly what I wanted at a good price (when considering
we are talking AVIATION). I personally would not change a thing on my
front end (BA Prop). That being said I doubt you can go wrong with 2 or
3 other builders mentioned earlier. Properly flown only time will tell.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/engine.htm
Robin
Do Not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
... or talk to any number of equally good US based companies and keep
the dollars here. I did find when I was looking at engines that the key
really is apples to apples comparison. Some throw in services that
others charge for like balancing. If you change one component you need
to make sure it's the same with everyone. Same thing with the prop, Jim
Ayres is great to work with and matches Van's prices. He gave me a
really good deal on a new MT that someone ordered and changed their mind
on.
The Van's combo deal is a good price and I don't believe that anyone
can beat it flat out, but don't expect to change or customize anything.
If you want to switch out one component here and there talk to the other
shops and you may find they are competitive after having to order the
extra components you want. If you really want to save $$ go with a
rebuilt for now and a used prop. Oh, and you don't need to actually be
at OSH or anywhere else for their "deals", they take the orders like
usual and the last couple times they had way more than they actually
advertised. It's the old "we only have a couple left so you better
order now" sales pitch.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stock Lycoming
I can't offer any performance or reliability input at this point, but I
can say that the customer service and quality of assembly from Aero
Sport Power is excellent ( http://www.aerosportpower.com/ ). They
delivered on time and as promised and the IO-390 they built is a work of
art. I went with gloss black and chrome and she is a beauty!
Sue and Bart at ASP were great and emailed me photos of the build and
break in processes along the way. The engine arrived in perfect
condition in a very well constructed, plywood box. The 3-year warrantee
from the first flight is also hard to beat.
Here is a link to all of the pictures I received from ASP and also some
I took of the delivery:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=dralle&project=638&categ
ory=2972
I also opted for an additional 10 hours of break in to get me past those
initial, critical break in hours. The log book shows 11.5 hours of
total run time. Also the peace of mind knowing that the engine is
running great for that amount of time is comforting. The extra $1k was
well worth the investment in my opinion. I won't have to sweat some
extended taxi testing now...
Anyway, give Bart or Sue a call at ASP and talk to them about what they
can build for you. Great people; great service; great product.
http://www.aerosportpower.com/
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880/N998RV
Wiring...
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| Subject: | Re: Stock Lycoming |
Hundreds of hours running LOP on my Bendix system and all is well.
There are some things you can do to better balance your injectors,
and some places will work with you on it. Bart at Aerosport
has always had an open offer with me to swap injectors to balance
the fuel flows as best I can. He balanced them originally.
They have worked so good I haven't yet taken the time to see
how much more perfect I can get them. It runs really well
LOP.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Dave Leikam wrote:
> I am close to ordering my engine. I originally wanted a BPE engine. In
> order to save $$ I am now leaning toward a stock XIO-540 and Hartzell
> prop combo from Van's. I am looking for opinions on this decision
> regarding engine reliability, LOP operation with Bendix injection
> system, smoothness and overall performance compared to the BPE or other
> engine shop engine. I will probably install an ElectroAir ignition with
> one mag. Thanks in advance for the input.
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
>
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| Subject: | SilPruf window removal |
A few people have asked about removing a window that was installed with
SilPruf.
The weatherman said this would be a good time to take the plane down for a
few days, so I decided to replace our sun-damaged window.
I pulled a little plug of sealant out of the groove on the outside. I was
able to pretty easily put a piece of .020 safety wire through the sealant
from the inside and fish it out from the outside. Then I just pulled the
wire around the perimeter of the window. It took 10 minutes to get the
window out.
I cleaned up the old sealant with a scraper and some Scotchbrite, and
installed the new window like the others.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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