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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Liability Insurance (David McNeill)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Liability Insurance (Kevin Belue)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Finish and Paint questions ?? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 06:05 AM - Re: Countersinking Fiberglass (Fred Williams, M.D.)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Countersinking Fiberglas (Les Kearney)
6. 08:14 AM - Wheel pants. (John Gonzalez)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: Wheel pants. (Rene Felker)
8. 08:33 AM - James Aircraft wheel pants (Carl Froehlich)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: Wheel pants. (Tim Olson)
10. 08:42 AM - Re: James Aircraft wheel pants (Ralph E. Capen)
11. 10:02 AM - Re: Countersinking Fiberglass (Paul Grimstad)
12. 10:07 AM - Re: James Aircraft wheel pants (Bob and Karen Brown)
13. 10:18 AM - Re: Wheel pants. (John Gonzalez)
14. 10:35 AM - Re: James Aircraft wheel pants (John Cox)
15. 04:03 PM - Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (Deems Davis)
16. 04:18 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (SteinAir, Inc.)
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21. 04:51 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (bert murillo)
22. 04:58 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 05:44 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (Kelly McMullen)
24. 06:05 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (Don McDonald)
25. 06:32 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (nukeflyboy)
26. 07:17 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (Patrick Pulis)
27. 07:47 PM - Overhead vents (Fred Williams, M.D.)
28. 08:24 PM - Re: Countersinking Fiberglas (Fred Williams, M.D.)
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30. 08:51 PM - Re: Countersinking Fiberglas (Les Kearney)
31. 09:09 PM - Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! (Bob and Karen Brown)
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| Subject: | Liability Insurance |
The insurance companies are pretty good in their estimation of risk. Even a
relatively high time pilot can be surprised by first flight in the 10. I may
have already related my experiences so skip this if its redundant. I was
required to get one hour of dual before flying my RV10. I understood that
they were just being conservative since their money was at stake. I traveled
to the DFW area in February of 2008, flying my Glastar 10 hours round trip
for the one hour of dual. I landed at Alex's airpark home on their 36 foot
wide (allegedly) runway 35. The winds were 310 15G27. He made the takeoff
out of there and we did some air work and then did three TGs at a nearby
airport with a longer North South runway. Winds were increasing; He really
did not want to fly but since I had come 750 NM we did. After 3 TGs , the
C172 in front of us in the pattern did not have sufficient rudder to
continue TGs, we returned to his narrow airpark strip where he landed the
aircraft. I departed in my Glastar and flew home.
On April 24 I made first flight in the 10. One of the things my building
partner and I had discussed was a high speed taxi but in the excitement I
did not remember it. Having never made a takeoff from a standing start in
the 10, I considered it just like any other aircraft I had flown. I smoothly
pushed the power lever forward and was surprised, not by the considerable
left turning tendency , but the very rapid acceleration. The time to lift
off was between 5-10 seconds. After that surprise the next 1.3 hours were
unremarkable. I put my building partner on the insurance after the test
period. For a VFR private pilot with 250 hours, the cost was an extra $1000
and I gave him the three hours of dual.
My advice to low time pilots is to recognize the insurance requirements for
what they are: A procedure to minimize the risk to all concerned. I built a
Glastar prior to the 10 and did not make first flight in it. The test pilot
landed the aircraft fast because in a previous new Glastar test flight , the
builder had misread the plans and set the horizontal stab 1.5 degrees up
instead of 1.5 degrees down. The stab was trying to stall and tuck under
when he flared. Even test pilots get surprised. I had not planned to make
first flight in the 10 but had difficulty getting my Glastar test pilot
qualified without RV10 time.
My current quote from Globe is comparable to Tim's
COM SEL 4500+TT, CFII, A&P
C150 C172 M20 BE36 AA5 TC177RG (2500) Glastar (250) RV10 (115)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
Yeah, I am lucky that I type like a caffeine addicted secretary, because it
would take me forever to reply otherwise. I do like to give replies though
that don't leave things too vague, so that's why I take the extra words.
When I got my first quotes, they quoted 5 hrs Dual / 10 hrs solo.
I was covered for my first flight after only the 5 hours dual, but they had
an additional 10% deductible or something like that until I got my 10 solo
hours in. I had my instrument rating at the time, so I don't know what the
situation would have been if I had been VFR-only. I also had made it out of
the "low-time"
category by then....not having thousands, but at least a few hundred
hours. All that helps. I know the requirements are a little more
stringent now, which I'm betting are not only due to seeing a few
losses...(I know at least 1 RV-10 was fully paid out in insurance after the
loss), but also perhaps due to a real rash in accidents in the Lancairs,
with greater, but not all unsimilar performance.
Heck, even the Cirrus record as of late may be partly to blame for our ills.
Whatever the case though, the insurance folks put those clauses in there
because they have experience to show where the risk is...and it's important
not to lose too much sight of that, despite the pains it causes us. I will
state for a fact that when I was a 40-80 hr pilot I had many more
"situations" that I'm just glad never amounted to an incident. It was
during my instrument training, in fact, that I suddenly realized that my
basic flying skills were taking a leap, because I was so busy flying the
gauges that I didn't have TIME be lazy and fly with less precision.
I do feel for you though on the insurance. I have mixed feelings, in that
$6000 and the other requirements they put on you seem like overkill at
times. But then I am reminded of my earlier time in aircraft in my <100 or
<150 hour experience range and man, I am probably lucky I didn't have an
RV-10 at the time. I probably would have ADVANCED my skills faster if I
would have had easy access to such a plane back then, but I really would
hate to make some of the mistakes I made back then, if I were making them in
my RV-10. So it's a mixed bag. It is really one of the reasons I try to
talk people into just buying a SPAM can for learning to fly , or for a first
airplane, and then put in some initial time. It isn't as fun, but they are
much less to lose, and the insurance is far easier to get. My father
learned to fly in our plane that we bought together, and back then, he was
the reason for our higher rates, since he was a student, and then later just
low-time, while not too long after buying it I got my IFR ticket. Despite
having
2 pilots and his low time, our insurance started at maybe $1100, and ended
up in the $800's. Full coverage. We both put 250 hours in that plane
before selling it, so we walked away selling it for more than we bought
it....with the major expense being fuel and annuals.
Photo
http://www.5000feet.com/forsale/sundowner/pics/midsize/N2251L0012.jpg
Anyway, even if you have to pay $6,000 for the first year, considering the
low time and lack of instrument rating, in perspective you're maybe only
paying $2,000 more than someone with 200 hours would. That money is less
than the cost of the FUEL you'll burn just doing the private pilot course.
Also, fuel is only about 1/3 the cost of the overall operation of the plane,
so in perspective it's really not that much money. The perspective is
important. Like what's a $3000 Nav/Com when you're building a $150,000
plane. Also, you'll find you progress best in skill if you can fly at least
100hrs/yr for your first couple of years. If you do that, and amortize the
$2000 additional insurance fee out over a year, you're only talking $20/hr.
Now let me ask you this...if you were renting a plane at the airport for
instruction, and someone told you that you could get your PPSEL in an RV-10
for only $20/hr extra....I think many people would jump all over that. And
I bet you a cold one that after your first 100 hours of time are put in, and
you have a Private Pilot Certificate, you'll be able to find someone who
will cover you for less than $6,000 the 2nd year. It may not be $3500, but
it will beat $6,00.
The key is getting the time and ratings under your belt that put you in a
better statistical risk category.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Don McDonald wrote:
> Tim, I have 2 things to say; 1, you must type really fast.... because
> you take no shortcuts and relay exactly what you think and feel.....
> and 2, thank you for doing exactly that.
> Unfortunately, the times/insurance situation has changed quite a bit
> since the time you were the low time pilot. Like I said before, they
> won't even let me fly the plane until I have some 20 hours of dual,
> including instrument time, then have a test pilot fly off the 40
> hours, and for that privilidge they want $6,000 a year. So I will try
> to get some extra time in the 3 or 4 10's in the area.... but then I
> will almost be forced to get either liability only or liability with
> ground and taxi. Certainly if I had the quote you had from the
> beginning, I to would jump on it. Things are a little different for
> me, I should just about have the plane paid off prior to the first
> flight... which I estimate should be the end of March or beginning of
April.
> Again, I look forward to meeting you, and thanks so much for supplying
> so much info to us newbees.
> Don McDonald
> #40636
> Almost flying - Awaiting FAA paperwork
>
> --- On *Sun, 3/1/09, Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:36 PM
>
> <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> Jay,
>
> My First years quote was $3441 for total coverage, both in
> and not in motion...total coverage.
>
> I got a quote of $2,083 for coverage that was just
> for ground and taxi operations....i.e. once you take
> the runway, no hull coverage at all.
>
> I got a quote of $1,724 for "not in motion" coverage...only
> covers the hull when you're parked with the engine off.
>
> $782 liability only....no hull coverage whatsoever.
>
> So that gives you an idea of the breakdown.
>
> NOW, the tricky question is....if you have almost no time
> in an RV-10, which time period do you think you're causing
> yourself the BIGGEST financial risk if you fly without insurance?
> My first year I started to sway towards getting "Not in Motion",
> but then hey, it's "only" ~$150 to get taxi coverage. And after
> all, what if this new plane you built develops brake problems.
> There is no steerable nosewheel, so for a newbie pilot it
> might not be that far fetched to have a taxi incident early
> in your RV-10 life. So now I was happy to spend $2,083.
> Well, then I thought about it again...if I were to consider
> when I may be most likely to have problems, it would for
> SURE be during the flyoff period. Add to that the fact that
> the first 100 hours or so you're finally learning and understanding
> your plane. So, at that point it's "only" ~$1350 to upgrade
> for at least that first year, to total coverage. I wasn't
> willing to risk my entire financial future, the loss of an
> expensive plane, and risk starting at step 1 all over again
> for $1350 approx....so I went with full coverage. Consider
> that if I had to start with Step 1, to me that is "Save money
> for 5 years or so, so I can even start the kit".
>
> I would think it wise to just pony up the dollars for the first
> 100 hours or so of flight time. Now today, with 445+ hours
> on the plane, I'm reasonably confident that my risk level isn't
> nearly what it used to be. So I actually consider the
> "not in flight" coverage to save that $1200-1400/yr. The catch
> is, I'm still not fully financially restored from the build,
> and the loss of the plane would still devistate me financially
> and psychologically. So I just can't get myself to not spend
> that extra bit. Some day I may though, because you're right,
> any minor damage you can probably repair, even if it means
> building a whole pair of wings.
>
> We have had more than just the 3 fatals so far though...there
> are some not-in-motion losses, and some other "in-flight"
> losses, and landing incidents. So for many, some amount of
> coverage may be a real good idea. Sadly, it's those with the
> fewest PIC hours that will not only pay the highest rates, but
> will also NEED the insurance the most.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jay Rowe wrote:
> > Linn: Give us a ballpark of what liability only insurance costs
> both for-in motion and not-in-motion. Also would you know what the
> cost would be for hull replacement for not-in-motion? My thoughts
> are that I need liability coverage for all possibilities but only
> need hull coverage if it gets whacked by someone or something while
> sitting on a ramp, or if the hanger burns or collapses. Any mild to
> moderate damage while in motion I can probably fix, and I probably
> won't be able to care if there is major damage. Thanks, Jay Rowe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* linn <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:07 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
> >
> > I have not-in-motion liability to meet the hangar lease
> > requirements. I dropped it from in-motion this year. No
> hull for
> > many years.
> > Linn
> >
> > partner14 wrote:
> <building_partner@yahoo.com
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>>
> >>
> >> Has anyone just got liability insurance? No hull value, no
> extra anything. Either for the first flight, the flyoff, or
> forever?
> >> Thanks guys.
> >>
> >> Don McDonald
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Don A. McDonald
> >> 40636http:http://forums.matronics.com/"
> target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Liability Insurance |
Don,
Can I ask what company gave that quote? Certainly seems very high,
like Avemco. I would expect Global or AIG to be half that cost and
better terms.
Kevin Belue
RV6A
RV10
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Tim, I have 2 things to say; 1, you must type really fast....
> because you take no shortcuts and relay exactly what you think and
> feel..... and 2, thank you for doing exactly that.
> Unfortunately, the times/insurance situation has changed quite a bit
> since the time you were the low time pilot. Like I said before,
> they won't even let me fly the plane until I have some 20 hours of
> dual, including instrument time, then have a test pilot fly off the
> 40 hours, and for that privilidge they want $6,000 a year. So I
> will try to get some extra time in the 3 or 4 10's in the area....
> but then I will almost be forced to get either liability only or
> liability with ground and taxi. Certainly if I had the quote you
> had from the beginning, I to would jump on it. Things are a little
> different for me, I should just about have the plane paid off prior
> to the first flight... which I estimate should be the end of March
> or beginning of April.
> Again, I look forward to meeting you, and thanks so much for
> supplying so much info to us newbees.
> Don McDonald
> #40636
> Almost flying - Awaiting FAA paperwork
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:36 PM
>
>
> Jay,
>
> My First years quote was $3441 for total coverage, both in
> and not in motion...total coverage.
>
> I got a quote of $2,083 for coverage that was just
> for ground and taxi operations....i.e. once you take
> the runway, no hull coverage at all.
>
> I got a quote of $1,724 for "not in motion" coverage...only
> covers the hull when you're parked with the engine off.
>
> $782 liability only....no hull coverage whatsoever.
>
> So that gives you an idea of the breakdown.
>
> NOW, the tricky question is....if you have almost no time
> in an RV-10, which time period do you think you're causing
> yourself the BIGGEST financial risk if you fly without insurance?
> My first year I started to sway towards getting "Not in Motion",
> but then hey, it's "only" ~$150 to get taxi coverage. And after
> all, what if this new plane you built develops brake problems.
> There is no steerable nosewheel, so for a newbie pilot it
> might not be that far fetched to have a taxi incident early
> in your RV-10 life. So now I was happy to spend $2,083.
> Well, then I thought about it again...if I were to consider
> when I may be most likely to have problems, it would for
> SURE be during the flyoff period. Add to that the fact that
> the first 100 hours or so you're finally learning and understanding
> your plane. So, at that point it's "only" ~$1350 to upgrade
> for at least that first year, to total coverage. I wasn't
> willing to risk my entire financial future, the loss of an
> expensive plane, and risk starting at step 1 all over again
> for $1350 approx....so I went with full coverage. Consider
> that if I had to start with Step 1, to me that is "Save money
> for 5 years or so, so I can even start the kit".
>
> I would think it wise to just pony up the dollars for the first
> 100 hours or so of flight time. Now today, with 445+ hours
> on the plane, I'm reasonably confident that my risk level isn't
> nearly what it used to be. So I actually consider the
> "not in flight" coverage to save that $1200-1400/yr. The catch
> is, I'm still not fully financially restored from the build,
> and the loss of the plane would still devistate me financially
> and psychologically. So I just can't get myself to not spend
> that extra bit. Some day I may though, because you're right,
> any minor damage you can probably repair, even if it means
> building a whole pair of wings.
>
> We have had more than just the 3 fatals so far though...there
> are some not-in-motion losses, and some other "in-flight"
> losses, and landing incidents. So for many, some amount of
> coverage may be a real good idea. Sadly, it's those with the
> fewest PIC hours that will not only pay the highest rates, but
> will also NEED the insurance the most.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jay Rowe wrote:
> > Linn: Give us a ballpark of what liability only insurance costs
> both for-in motion and not-in-motion. Also would you know what the
> cost would be for hull replacement for not-in-motion? My thoughts
> are that I need liability coverage for all possibilities but only
> need hull coverage if it gets whacked by someone or something while
> sitting on a ramp, or if the hanger burns or collapses. Any mild to
> moderate damage while in motion I can probably fix, and I probably
> won't be able to care if there is major damage. Thanks, Jay Rowe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* linn <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:07 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
> >
> > I have not-in-motion liability to meet the hangar lease
> > requirements. I dropped it from in-motion this year. No hull
> for
> > many years.
> > Linn
> >
> > partner14 wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Has anyone just got liability insurance? No hull value, no
> extra anything. Either for the first flight, the flyoff, or
> forever?
> >> Thanks guys.
> >>
> >> Don McDonald
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Don A. McDonald
> >> 40636http:http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Finish and Paint questions ?? |
Speaking of breathing systems, another one that I have read good things a
bout is the PureAir system. It has the advantage of single airline to supp
ly breathing and the spray gun. The only real caveat with this is that you
need to know where your compressor air supply is coming from. My compress
or is located in a storage closet in the back of my bathroom with a CO dete
ctor nearby so I am comfortable that my air is not contaminated. Same rule
s apply to where you place the turbine in a HobbyAir system. If you go wit
h something like the PureAir and are not comfortable with your air quality,
it is very easy to extend your compressor inlet outside the building by re
moving the filter and piping it outdoors.
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=17667&itemType=PRODUCT
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Finish and Paint questions ??
Industrial Finishes is my point of purchase as well dating back to 1968. F
or decades I was a Dupont guy. They sell lots of volume of PPG with tremen
dous results from the field. I side with Michael that the House of Kolor i
s amazing as is Randolph's Spectrum line. Glasurit is my choice on German
autos. Many big iron shops swear by JetGlow. Don't forget Scott's beautif
ul product. The big thing is don't mix competitive chemistry or the wrong
primer with your final topcoat. Know where you are going chemistry wise.
Sounds like what we all need is a clandestine or a approved shop on an airf
ield where the hobbyist can expand their skills under tutelage. Deems went
with a national race car painter that was across from the Phoenix Raceway.
My favorite painter said "never again" to allow another craftsman to adulte
rate his effort after trying to please a discriminate customer. That means
I might be looking elsewhere as well. Lighting, ventilation and quality a
irline control impact the finish topcoat paint. Dust, hair, runs and envir
onmental factors work against many hobbyists. It is not a point to wander
from. Michael should be commended for reminding us of the tremendous dolla
r savings by DIY just like from Randy and Tim (years ago).
All of you should be looking to a Hobbyair source as you continue the journ
ey.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Finish and Paint questions ??
Good points John. EAA 292 in Independence also has a Hobbyair breathing sy
stem with extra hoses and Graco Turbine available for members. We just don
't have a place to paint... Besides Jet Glow and PPG, many of us here have
used Glasurit products. Expensive, but fantastic finishes. We've been pu
rchasing them from Industrial Finishes, who has stores all over the Northwe
st.
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| Subject: | Re: Countersinking Fiberglass |
Les.
I have the same console. I used round head screws to keep with similar
screws on the panel. "theme" thing I guess. Anyway, I don't think it
would be a problem to hold the front part of the console on with just
countersunk flush screws. However, you need to think about the center
console. As much as I try and help some people into the airplane in the
correct manner, a lot of weight sometimes gets put on the center arm
rest. People with poor mobility sometimes just cant do what is needed
to get in and out of the plane. It puts a lot of stress on that center
arm rest. So counter sinking and putting the counter sunk washers might
be a good idea on the center arm rest. Just depends on the look that
you want along the bottom edge.
Fred Williams
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> After a bit of a force break from building, I managed to put a few hours in
> today. I have a Tony Sustare center console that I am fitting and am
> wondering about countersinking holes in fibreglass.
>
> The center console fits over the tunnel cover which is held in place with
> flush head screws. I am wondering as to the best way to counter sink the
> screws. My Cherokee has countersunk washers to hold some of the fibreglass
> tail cone etc in place. Should I be using something similar on the
> fibreglass console?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know...
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - lots of assembly required
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Countersinking Fiberglas |
Hi Fred
Thanks for the info especially about people putting weight on the console.
Too much weight could cause problems. Not being sure as to the structural
requirements, I have left the tunnel cover in place and put the console over
that. If need be, I could put a small insert between the tunnel cover and
the bottom of the storage compartment so any weight on the console is
transferred to the tunnel cover and not down the side panels to the screws.
I hope that makes sense...
Did you get Tony's panel as well and if so, how did you handle installation
or the radio stack etc?
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: March-02-09 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Countersinking Fiberglass
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Les.
I have the same console. I used round head screws to keep with similar
screws on the panel. "theme" thing I guess. Anyway, I don't think it
would be a problem to hold the front part of the console on with just
countersunk flush screws. However, you need to think about the center
console. As much as I try and help some people into the airplane in the
correct manner, a lot of weight sometimes gets put on the center arm
rest. People with poor mobility sometimes just cant do what is needed
to get in and out of the plane. It puts a lot of stress on that center
arm rest. So counter sinking and putting the counter sunk washers might
be a good idea on the center arm rest. Just depends on the look that
you want along the bottom edge.
Fred Williams
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> After a bit of a force break from building, I managed to put a few hours
in
> today. I have a Tony Sustare center console that I am fitting and am
> wondering about countersinking holes in fibreglass.
>
> The center console fits over the tunnel cover which is held in place with
> flush head screws. I am wondering as to the best way to counter sink the
> screws. My Cherokee has countersunk washers to hold some of the fibreglass
> tail cone etc in place. Should I be using something similar on the
> fibreglass console?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know...
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - lots of assembly required
>
>
>
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I have spent the last few hours and days working on the wheel pants for the
main gear.
I laser with a level on it is in my opinion a must. Even with all that hard
ware to aid the builder=2C the job of these pants is a real pain in the ars
s.
I am quite surprised as usual that the parts don't have pre marked pionts w
hich indicate their centerline at the ends=2C front and back. The front hal
f didn't fit well with the rear half and the 90 joggle was not in a straigh
t circumference. Contour was not true at the intersection either.
What I am asking is whether most people that have done this section found t
hat the outside hex extendion intersection with the faring is actually at t
he intersection between the front and the rear pieces of the fairing as is
indicated by the manual. With my faring all line up with the laser=2C my ex
tension's center point is about 3/8" aft of the front/rear seem. As long as
everything seems to fit and is lined up with the aircraft centerline and l
evel with the plane=2C does any one see a reason why I can't locate the att
achment there. By putting it there would mean that the front half of the fa
ring wouldn't have a 1/2 inch=2C half whole on its rear edge.
What have others found?
John G. 409
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My screw hole is aft of the intersection with the front edge of the whole
right on the intersection. I can take the front of the fairing off without
removing the screw.
Hope that helps.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wheel pants.
I have spent the last few hours and days working on the wheel pants for the
main gear.
I laser with a level on it is in my opinion a must. Even with all that
hardware to aid the builder, the job of these pants is a real pain in the
arss.
I am quite surprised as usual that the parts don't have pre marked pionts
which indicate their centerline at the ends, front and back. The front half
didn't fit well with the rear half and the 90 joggle was not in a straight
circumference. Contour was not true at the intersection either.
What I am asking is whether most people that have done this section found
that the outside hex extendion intersection with the faring is actually at
the intersection between the front and the rear pieces of the fairing as is
indicated by the manual. With my faring all line up with the laser, my
extension's center point is about 3/8" aft of the front/rear seem. As long
as everything seems to fit and is lined up with the aircraft centerline and
level with the plane, does any one see a reason why I can't locate the
attachment there. By putting it there would mean that the front half of the
faring wouldn't have a 1/2 inch, half whole on its rear edge.
What have others found?
John G. 409
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| Subject: | James Aircraft wheel pants |
Anyone have experience with the RV-10 James Aircraft wheel pants?
Pros/cons?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants. |
John,
I think you're supposed to use that location on the outside, but
move the inside locations to line it up, aren't you? Just going
by memory.
But, my main reply is....you aren't really going to use the hex
piece, are you?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
> I have spent the last few hours and days working on the wheel pants for
> the main gear.
>
> I laser with a level on it is in my opinion a must. Even with all that
> hardware to aid the builder, the job of these pants is a real pain in
> the arss.
>
> I am quite surprised as usual that the parts don't have pre marked
> pionts which indicate their centerline at the ends, front and back. The
> front half didn't fit well with the rear half and the 90 joggle was not
> in a straight circumference. Contour was not true at the intersection
> either.
>
> What I am asking is whether most people that have done this section
> found that the outside hex extendion intersection with the faring is
> actually at the intersection between the front and the rear pieces of
> the fairing as is indicated by the manual. With my faring all line up
> with the laser, my extension's center point is about 3/8" aft of the
> front/rear seem. As long as everything seems to fit and is lined up with
> the aircraft centerline and level with the plane, does any one see a
> reason why I can't locate the attachment there. By putting it there
> would mean that the front half of the faring wouldn't have a 1/2 inch,
> half whole on its rear edge.
>
> What have others found?
>
> John G. 409
>
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| Subject: | Re: James Aircraft wheel pants |
I have a set of these that I will be using on my 6A - I have put 380x15x5 tires
on my 5x5 rims to offset the fact that I have put a 5x5 wheel on the nose...I
operate primarily from a grass strip.
I have already put a SJ RV6 style main pant on the nose and like the way it came
out (so far),
I'm interested to read what others have to say also.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 2, 2009 11:32 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: James Aircraft wheel pants
>
>Anyone have experience with the RV-10 James Aircraft wheel pants?
>Pros/cons?
>
>
>
>Carl Froehlich
>
>RV-8A (450 hrs)
>
>RV-10 (fuselage)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Countersinking Fiberglass |
Fred,
How well does your overhead vent set-up work?
Paul Grimstad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Countersinking Fiberglass
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Les.
> I have the same console. I used round head screws to keep with similar
> screws on the panel. "theme" thing I guess. Anyway, I don't think it
> would be a problem to hold the front part of the console on with just
> countersunk flush screws. However, you need to think about the center
> console. As much as I try and help some people into the airplane in the
> correct manner, a lot of weight sometimes gets put on the center arm rest.
> People with poor mobility sometimes just cant do what is needed to get in
> and out of the plane. It puts a lot of stress on that center arm rest.
> So counter sinking and putting the counter sunk washers might be a good
> idea on the center arm rest. Just depends on the look that you want
> along the bottom edge.
>
>
> Fred Williams
>
>
> Les Kearney wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> After a bit of a force break from building, I managed to put a few hours
>> in
>> today. I have a Tony Sustare center console that I am fitting and am
>> wondering about countersinking holes in fibreglass.
>>
>> The center console fits over the tunnel cover which is held in place with
>> flush head screws. I am wondering as to the best way to counter sink the
>> screws. My Cherokee has countersunk washers to hold some of the
>> fibreglass
>> tail cone etc in place. Should I be using something similar on the
>> fibreglass console?
>>
>> Inquiring minds need to know...
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - lots of assembly required
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | James Aircraft wheel pants |
I think I ordered one of everything the James make....seriously though, I did order
the wheel pants for the -10 from them, but haven't received them yet. I'll
let ya know how they are to work with. I used the Van's wheel pants on my
-7A, but bought all the intersection fairings from Bob Snedeker at Fairings, Etc.
I was very happy with those, his workmanship was excellent. The Van's intersection
fairings were a poor excuse for fiberglass work...in fact I have some
I'll give away if someone wants to pay shipping.
Bob
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: James Aircraft wheel pants
I have a set of these that I will be using on my 6A - I have put 380x15x5 tires
on my 5x5 rims to offset the fact that I have put a 5x5 wheel on the nose...I
operate primarily from a grass strip.
I have already put a SJ RV6 style main pant on the nose and like the way it came
out (so far),
I'm interested to read what others have to say also.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 2, 2009 11:32 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: James Aircraft wheel pants
>
>Anyone have experience with the RV-10 James Aircraft wheel pants?
>Pros/cons?
>
>
>
>Carl Froehlich
>
>RV-8A (450 hrs)
>
>RV-10 (fuselage)
>
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No=2C I have your nice machined piece of aluminum extension=2C but still ma
kes a whole and a screw that goes through it.
John
> Date: Mon=2C 2 Mar 2009 10:30:22 -0600
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel pants.
>
>
> John=2C
> I think you're supposed to use that location on the outside=2C but
> move the inside locations to line it up=2C aren't you? Just going
> by memory.
>
> But=2C my main reply is....you aren't really going to use the hex
> piece=2C are you?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
> > I have spent the last few hours and days working on the wheel pants for
> > the main gear.
> >
> > I laser with a level on it is in my opinion a must. Even with all that
> > hardware to aid the builder=2C the job of these pants is a real pain in
> > the arss.
> >
> > I am quite surprised as usual that the parts don't have pre marked
> > pionts which indicate their centerline at the ends=2C front and back. T
he
> > front half didn't fit well with the rear half and the 90 joggle was not
> > in a straight circumference. Contour was not true at the intersection
> > either.
> >
> > What I am asking is whether most people that have done this section
> > found that the outside hex extendion intersection with the faring is
> > actually at the intersection between the front and the rear pieces of
> > the fairing as is indicated by the manual. With my faring all line up
> > with the laser=2C my extension's center point is about 3/8" aft of the
> > front/rear seem. As long as everything seems to fit and is lined up wit
h
> > the aircraft centerline and level with the plane=2C does any one see a
> > reason why I can't locate the attachment there. By putting it there
> > would mean that the front half of the faring wouldn't have a 1/2 inch
=2C
> > half whole on its rear edge.
> >
> > What have others found?
> >
> > John G. 409
> >
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | James Aircraft wheel pants |
Will pay shipping.
John Cox
From: Bob and Karen Brown
Sent: Mon 3/2/2009 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: James Aircraft wheel pants
com>
I think I ordered one of everything the James make....seriously though, I d
id order the wheel pants for the -10 from them, but haven't received them y
et. I'll let ya know how they are to work with. I used the Van's wheel pa
nts on my -7A, but bought all the intersection fairings from Bob Snedeker a
t Fairings, Etc. I was very happy with those, his workmanship was excellen
t. The Van's intersection fairings were a poor excuse for fiberglass work.
..in fact I have some I'll give away if someone wants to pay shipping.
Bob
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: James Aircraft wheel pants
I have a set of these that I will be using on my 6A - I have put 380x15x5 t
ires on my 5x5 rims to offset the fact that I have put a 5x5 wheel on the n
ose...I operate primarily from a grass strip.
I have already put a SJ RV6 style main pant on the nose and like the way it
came out (so far),
I'm interested to read what others have to say also.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 2, 2009 11:32 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: James Aircraft wheel pants
>
>Anyone have experience with the RV-10 James Aircraft wheel pants?
>Pros/cons?
>
>
>
>Carl Froehlich
>
>RV-8A (450 hrs)
>
>RV-10 (fuselage)
>
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| Subject: | Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Congrats Deems!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:01 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Kick the Tires & Light the fire!
>
>
>
>A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
>
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
do nor archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Deems, that must have been sweet, indeed. Congratulations.
John J
do not archive
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Fantastic Deems! Your gorgeous machine is alive! Congratulations.
David Maib
40559
On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
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| Subject: | Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Congratulations, how many beers have you had since you fired her up? You
can see the first flight from here.
Gary Specketer
40274 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Kick the Tires & Light the fire!
A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Well congratulations, I know the feeling
Bert
rv6a
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
I'm not a big attaboy person but attaboy!
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Kick the Tires & Light the fire!
A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Wahoo!! Huge Congrats!
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kick the Tires & Light the fire! |
Way to go Deems.- I've run mine 4 times now, and I let it out of the hang
er last Sat. just so it could get to know what it's like outside.- Won't
be flying for a month or two, so you'll no doubt beat me to that.- But we
'll meet up in the sky soon.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Kick the Tires & Light the fire!
A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
http://deemsrv10.com/
le, List Admin.
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Deems,
Congrats - that's a major milestone! Mine is nuclear powered though and doesn't
breathe. Much better for the environment - no greenhouse gasses.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232861#232861
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Well done mate, I'm sure that you can smell and taste the first flight now.
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Paul;
As you know, I installed the overhead console from accuracy avionics. I
put two naca vents behind the aft bulkhead and used ducting to rout it
up into the console. I also made a fiberglass piece to fill in the gap
at the aft cover piece and up to the console. I get some airflow up to
the front with the overhead air outlet while on the ground and it is
quite ample when airborne. I rarely have it all the way open. I wonder
if one would have been enough. (Then one would have to go through the
mental gymnastics of which side to put it on given the rotational
component of the airflow secondary to a prop.)
I haven't ridden in the back seat yet, but over spring break I want to
get back there and look at sealing off the joint better. (wonder if I
could get any offers from someone to fly the plane for me ?? ) The rear
seat passengers (aka my wife) report a lot of air that comes out of the
corrugations around the back panel. I am assuming that it is secondary
to the pressure leaking around the joint and filling up the tail and
coming out the only place it can : under the corrugations.
I want to fly with the vents open and then plugged. I think that will
be a good test to see if air is coming in from some where else. (around
the tail then forward??).
Again, I started flying at the end of September, so I don't know how
well it will be in the summer here in Texas. I don't think it will be
as good as Alex D's air conditioning, but I didn't want the added
weight and complexity.
I'm glad I put the overhead in place, even with the leaking problem.
You feel cooler when you have air blowing in your face. The system
doesn't weigh much at all and gives ample area to run lighting wires
overhead. I think it is and was a little expensive, and if I did it
again, would really look at the overhead consoles out of the cars
mentioned in earlier posts.
I also want to bend up an aluminum bracket to hold the pilot/copilot
shoulder harnesses. There is no good place for them after you take them
off. They fall right into the back seat and confuse the hades out of
new passengers. They all want to hook them into their seat belts somehow.
I also need to add a couple more plate nuts to the overhead access
plate. It leaks around the edge from the pressure when all the vents
are closed.
I'll try to remember to write up a little report about what I've
found/fixed in a couple weeks.
I do plan to fly over to Sun 'n Fun Friday and Sat if anyone else on the
list wants to take a look.
And, I still have one set of axle extensions that my Dad machined to
specs on Tim Olsen's site. I'd sell em for $10 plus shipping if anyone
is in need of them. I had to fix a crack in one of the wheel pants
fairings after painting and checked both of them when I filled the tires
(with good ole Texas air). They are doing well.
Fred.
515FW
90 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Countersinking Fiberglas |
Les;
I up loaded some panel pics. I hope it will help some. I did use the
accuracy avionics panel. If you will look closely at the rear panel
picture dated 5/13/08 you can see the aluminum rails that I used to
mount the stack. If you look under the stack you see a couple of boards
that the panel is resting on. These are two layers of MDF that I cut to
the exact size of the radio stack. I then inserted them through the
opening of my center cut out and used them as the parallel and
reference to get the two aluminum rails in place. I don't specifically
remember how I attached the rails, but I remember trimming them to just
fit flush and up behind the fiberglass of the panel and epoxying them in
place. If I remember correctly, I used the corner screw holes to help
hold the rails in place. I also put plate nuts on the rails to hold
the exterior screws.
http://picasaweb.google.com/drfredparis/PanelPics?feat=directlink
Then, Tony's directions on taping the frames together lets you drill
into the sides of the aluminum angles and drill and tap for the screws
that hold the radio frames to the panel. If you don't have a copy of
Tony's directions, let me know and I can dig mine up for you.
Regarding the weight on the screws issue. I really just wanted you to
be aware of what I have seen. There are a lot of screws across there to
hold the weight. Also, for me, I covered the panel and console with a
layer of carbon fiber. That should be worth about 4 layers of
fiberglass. I know I have put a lot of weight on the console when I
have been panel diving to fix small issues and hook things up.
Also, I don't think I would have put the center console in if I had a
choice again. It is very difficult to work around and limits access to
the tunnel for maintenance.
I looks good and is functional. It also takes up some lateral knee room
on long flights.
Fred
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Congrats Deems
You must be a proud papa.
I can't wait to see it in person.
Fred.
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Hi Fred
Thanks for the PIX. I think I have an idea as to how you made things work.
If you have a copy of Tony's instructions that would be great. Unfortunately
I wasn't able to get a copy or speak to Tony about how things should go
together...
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: March-02-09 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Countersinking Fiberglas
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Les;
I up loaded some panel pics. I hope it will help some. I did use the
accuracy avionics panel. If you will look closely at the rear panel
picture dated 5/13/08 you can see the aluminum rails that I used to
mount the stack. If you look under the stack you see a couple of boards
that the panel is resting on. These are two layers of MDF that I cut to
the exact size of the radio stack. I then inserted them through the
opening of my center cut out and used them as the parallel and
reference to get the two aluminum rails in place. I don't specifically
remember how I attached the rails, but I remember trimming them to just
fit flush and up behind the fiberglass of the panel and epoxying them in
place. If I remember correctly, I used the corner screw holes to help
hold the rails in place. I also put plate nuts on the rails to hold
the exterior screws.
http://picasaweb.google.com/drfredparis/PanelPics?feat=directlink
Then, Tony's directions on taping the frames together lets you drill
into the sides of the aluminum angles and drill and tap for the screws
that hold the radio frames to the panel. If you don't have a copy of
Tony's directions, let me know and I can dig mine up for you.
Regarding the weight on the screws issue. I really just wanted you to
be aware of what I have seen. There are a lot of screws across there to
hold the weight. Also, for me, I covered the panel and console with a
layer of carbon fiber. That should be worth about 4 layers of
fiberglass. I know I have put a lot of weight on the console when I
have been panel diving to fix small issues and hook things up.
Also, I don't think I would have put the center console in if I had a
choice again. It is very difficult to work around and limits access to
the tunnel for maintenance.
I looks good and is functional. It also takes up some lateral knee room
on long flights.
Fred
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That's an unforgettable day, I know! Congratulations!
Bob Brown
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Kick the Tires & Light the fire!
A bit of a milestone (for me) today. N519PJ drew her 1st breath!!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its put together, time to call the DAR'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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Fred,
That looks like it's going to be a terrific panel to pilot.
Outstanding execution.
Robin
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