Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 03:00 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (tomhanaway)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: calling Vans (doctornigel)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Overhead vents (Bob Leffler)
4. 05:00 AM - Re: Overhead vents (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 05:20 AM - Re: Re: Carbon fiber panel (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: calling Vans (David McNeill)
7. 06:34 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (John Gonzalez)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (Fred Williams, M.D.)
9. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: calling Vans (pascal)
10. 08:13 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (Don McDonald)
11. 08:32 AM - Re: calling Vans (Ron B.)
12. 09:11 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (John Cox)
13. 10:17 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (Robin Marks)
14. 11:03 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (Bob Leffler)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: Countersinking Fiberglas (Steve)
16. 11:06 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (Fred Williams, M.D.)
17. 11:06 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (geoff Combs)
18. 11:11 AM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (jim@CombsFive.Com)
19. 11:14 AM - Re: Started (Strasnuts)
20. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Carbon fiber panel (pascal)
21. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: Started (Jeff Carpenter)
22. 12:23 PM - Re: Started (orchidman)
23. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Carbon fiber panel (John Cox)
24. 12:47 PM - Re: Liability Insurance (John Cumins)
25. 01:33 PM - Re: Carbon fiber panel (Bob Leffler)
26. 02:34 PM - Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? (AirMike)
27. 02:36 PM - Re: Filtered Air Box Failure (AirMike)
28. 02:39 PM - Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... (AirMike)
29. 03:29 PM - Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... (Jim Berry)
30. 04:35 PM - Re: Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? (egohr1)
31. 05:52 PM - Alternative to 100LL? (Miller John)
32. 06:12 PM - Re: Liability Insurance (Don McDonald)
33. 06:18 PM - TCW Technologies new product announcement (Bob-tcw)
34. 06:21 PM - Re: Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? (Jesse Saint)
35. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... (Jesse Saint)
36. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
37. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... (Deems Davis)
38. 10:27 PM - Re: Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? (AirMike)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
Geoff,
Gorgeous work. How tall is the panel directly in front of the pilot or copilot.
I'm working on my panel right now and could easily make the switch. My layout
is two AFS Advanced 4500's directly in front of pilot so this layout makes
sense.
My biggest concern is whether the Infinity grips will still fit (I'm assuming some
cutback of stick).
Also, when do you anticipate available?
Availability through you or a vendor?
Thanks,
Tom H.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233092#233092
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: calling Vans |
He was probably talking about tech help which has specific hours in the am and
the pm only, ask me how I know, I never have a tech question during tech hours.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233093#233093
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Makes sense about one naca vent. Has anyone that just used on vent flying
yet?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead vents
I spent the weekend at Redmond OR to get my 480 upgraded by Eric McDonald,
one of the original builders of the overhead when he was at Accuracy. He is
the avionics guru at Redmond Air and the real technical brains behind the
now defunct Accuracy. Seems he had several discussions with a few builders
and the conclusion was you only need one NACA vent. FWIW, Redmond Air is
selling them and Eric has improved many of the parts. He's a very bright guy
with a good company behind him. He took on the burden of helping Accuracy's
customers with tech support because he cares about his product he built.
They have experimental panels for all the RV's and the FBO was great to hang
out at...I gladly picked up the tab for dinner Friday for all he did for me.
If you're looking for avionics for your RV-10, you might want to give
Redmond Air a shot....very nice facility and a great staff...
Rick Sked
40185
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3906 (20090303) __________
The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Overhead vents |
One is more than enough - if you've got 2 you'll want to block off some flow.
----- Original Message -----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed Mar 04 04:39:41 2009
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead vents
Makes sense about one naca vent. Has anyone that just used on vent flying
yet?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead vents
I spent the weekend at Redmond OR to get my 480 upgraded by Eric McDonald,
one of the original builders of the overhead when he was at Accuracy. He is
the avionics guru at Redmond Air and the real technical brains behind the
now defunct Accuracy. Seems he had several discussions with a few builders
and the conclusion was you only need one NACA vent. FWIW, Redmond Air is
selling them and Eric has improved many of the parts. He's a very bright guy
with a good company behind him. He took on the burden of helping Accuracy's
customers with tech support because he cares about his product he built.
They have experimental panels for all the RV's and the FBO was great to hang
out at...I gladly picked up the tab for dinner Friday for all he did for me.
If you're looking for avionics for your RV-10, you might want to give
Redmond Air a shot....very nice facility and a great staff...
Rick Sked
40185
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3906 (20090303) __________
The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
Bigger question, how much $$$.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Carbon fiber panel
Geoff,
Gorgeous work. How tall is the panel directly in front of the pilot or copilot.
I'm working on my panel right now and could easily make the switch. My layout
is two AFS Advanced 4500's directly in front of pilot so this layout makes
sense.
My biggest concern is whether the Infinity grips will still fit (I'm assuming some
cutback of stick).
Also, when do you anticipate available?
Availability through you or a vendor?
Thanks,
Tom H.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233092#233092
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: calling Vans |
Someone always answers tech questions , even during the middle of the day.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doctornigel
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: calling Vans
He was probably talking about tech help which has specific hours in the am
and the pm only, ask me how I know, I never have a tech question during tech
hours.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233093#233093
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carbon fiber panel |
Geoff=2C
Nice work and a lot of it. Question=2C Where did you get that compact pnuem
atic panel saw that I saw in one of the first few photos? I have been looki
ng for one of those for a while.
Thanks=2C
JOhn G. 409 Do Not Archive
> Subject: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
> From: g.combs58@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Mar 2009 21:32:48 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Here are some pictures of my carbon fiber panel and lower centerconsole.
All parts weigh 2lbs. These will be available very soon if anyone is
> interested. See more pictures at the link below
>
> http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/L5LenCCI/7068012/3161550
>
> Geoff
>
> --------
> Build QB RV-10 N829GW
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233076#233076
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1558_137.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1552_172.jpg
>
>
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
Geoff:
Wow. I wish I had my own backyard CNC and a block of aluminum the
size of the panel. Significant cost for the first one. I bet you will
be able to recoup your investment. Looks great.
Fred.
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: calling Vans |
Tech support has specific hours on their web but the truth is that they pick
up anytime of the day from 7:30-4:30. Ask me how I know.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "doctornigel" <nschultz3@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: calling Vans
>
> He was probably talking about tech help which has specific hours in the am
> and the pm only, ask me how I know, I never have a tech question during
> tech hours.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233093#233093
>
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
I saw your email last night.... and agree with Robin.... it seems no matter
what we put together, there's always going to be some smart ass that puts
us all to shame.- All I managed to do last night was forward your email t
o my brother, his shop foreman, and the guy in his shop who handles all the
Solid Works projects.- They used Solid Works to design my panel includin
g splitting it into 3 pieces and designing bracketry to support all the avi
onics.- I can't wait to hear back from the shop.- Hopefully they won't
want me to tear out the panel and start over!
GREAT job Geoff.
Don McDonald
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, geoff Combs <g.combs58@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: geoff Combs <g.combs58@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
Here are some pictures of my carbon fiber panel and lower centerconsole. Al
l parts weigh 2lbs. These will be available very soon if anyone is
interested. See more pictures at the link below
http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/L5LenCCI/7068012/3161550
Geoff
--------
Build QB RV-10 N829GW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233076#233076
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1558_137.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1552_172.jpg
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: calling Vans |
I would assume that if they specify a certain time this is what they would want.
Calling anytime of day although you get your answer is probably an inconvenience
for Van's. Owning my own business for over twenty years we have to do what
the customers ask although it is an inconvenience. I get calls at home all the
time, my wife has her business at home with posted hrs. The phone rings at
meal times everyday, we answer them but do you really think this is what we like.
No we do it because this is what we have to to keep the customers. How long
can we keep this up , don't know.
Financial planners say to start planning to sell your business ten years ahead
of doing so. I'll have to start planning today, it's time.
Not trying to offend anyone, just pointing something out that Van's can't really
push but I'm sure they would like to.
Ron
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233152#233152
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carbon fiber panel |
I loved the website, the photo slide dissolves and the process video. I
was blown away at the thought of the cost to most of us builders to make
the mold out of aluminum. Wow, as I watched the coolant and shards hit
the camera lens. I forgot for a moment that I was not there - Live.
Then I scratched my head and wondered why with the most beautiful panel
ever developed you would resort to using stock rudder pedals and a ill
fitting fiberglass overhead plenum. If you decide to cast an aluminum
mold to retro the canopy, let me know, I will prepurchase one to help
with that ingot cost. By the way, though one NACA might work, there are
lots of times where two are more comfortable for both the fuel tunnel
cooling and the passengers under the glass "south of the Mason-Dixon".
It made for a wonderful evening and a lot of dreaming on several fronts.
Composites Unlimited told me that knowledge and skill of Solidworks 3D
could have a major impact on the quality of fabricated pieces. You have
driven that point home with a Grand Slam. I am not sure they will
abandon their mold technology for aluminum ingots though. They tend to
assign their 5 axis router to build up foam substrate instead. I would
wager that CJ is looking for another cool piece of machinery to play
with.
The ability to do quadrant installations as well as vernier cables
would open a much wider arena for sales. If your lower console can
adapt for a VP200 display, then I am sold! Both Rob Hickman and Stein
are probably redirecting their customers to your site as we read this.
Congrats Geoff (and belated happy 50th)
John - watching in awe as that bar moves UP so rapidly.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
I saw your email last night.... and agree with Robin.... it seems no
matter what we put together, there's always going to be some smart ass
that puts us all to shame. All I managed to do last night was forward
your email to my brother, his shop foreman, and the guy in his shop who
handles all the Solid Works projects. They used Solid Works to design
my panel including splitting it into 3 pieces and designing bracketry to
support all the avionics. I can't wait to hear back from the shop.
Hopefully they won't want me to tear out the panel and start over!
GREAT job Geoff.
Don McDonald
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, geoff Combs <g.combs58@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: geoff Combs <g.combs58@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:32 PM
<g.combs58@yahoo.com
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=g.combs58@yahoo.com> >
Here are some pictures of my carbon fiber panel and lower
centerconsole. All parts weigh 2lbs. These will be available very soon
if anyone is
interested. See more pictures at the link below
http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/L5LenCCI/7068012/3161550
Geoff
--------
Build QB RV-10 N829GW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233076#233076
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1558_137.jpg
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_1558_137.jpg>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1552_172.jpg
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_1552_172.jpg>
<Bsp;-->
http://www.matronics.com/contri==============
=
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carbon fiber panel |
Fred,
The idea of a garage/hangar/backyard CNC is no longer
unthinkable. I own 5 CNC's now with my first one (Used HAAS VF-5)
costing about the same price as a nice flying RV-10 and my last of the
same model running less than $60K in better condition than the first
unit. I have also picked up a cherry VF-1 for $11,000. Crazy great
value. Unfortunately these are very though times for manufacturing and
many places are being forced to liquidate with few to no US buyers.
Expensive equipment significantly underutilized.
Now the chunks of metal are not going down in price, that is why
I asked about milling wood to use as the mold. We regularly mill blocks
of aluminum or steel that size but we have to make two of each (male &
female) with a lot more considerations for end product wall thickness,
mold heating & cooling, mechanical part ejection...
I recall Chris (perfectly good plane) on the list purchased a
mini "bedroom" CNC for small projects. I think he said the software
learning curve what the greatest challenge.
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Williams, M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Geoff:
Wow. I wish I had my own backyard CNC and a block of aluminum the
size of the panel. Significant cost for the first one. I bet you will
be able to recoup your investment. Looks great.
Fred.
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carbon fiber panel |
John,
I have a full size drawing up on my wall of Geoff's panel, so that I can
play with equipment placement. I've haven't checked depth yet, but it does
appear that the VP-200 display shouldn't be an issue for the lower console.
I'm still debating on whether or not if I want to go with a quadrant or
not. That's what both my son and I are familiar with, but I think with
Geoff's panel, I'm considering going the traditional route. If I hadn't
been laid off this past month, I would have probably purchased a quadrant
and given it to Geoff for prototyping.
Having the opportunity to see Geoff's work in person, I can verify that he
does great work. His aluminum center console is a work of art too.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
I loved the website, the photo slide dissolves and the process video. I was
blown away at the thought of the cost to most of us builders to make the
mold out of aluminum. Wow, as I watched the coolant and shards hit the
camera lens. I forgot for a moment that I was not there - Live. Then I
scratched my head and wondered why with the most beautiful panel ever
developed you would resort to using stock rudder pedals and a ill fitting
fiberglass overhead plenum. If you decide to cast an aluminum mold to retro
the canopy, let me know, I will prepurchase one to help with that ingot
cost. By the way, though one NACA might work, there are lots of times where
two are more comfortable for both the fuel tunnel cooling and the passengers
under the glass "south of the Mason-Dixon".
It made for a wonderful evening and a lot of dreaming on several fronts.
Composites Unlimited told me that knowledge and skill of Solidworks 3D could
have a major impact on the quality of fabricated pieces. You have driven
that point home with a Grand Slam. I am not sure they will abandon their
mold technology for aluminum ingots though. They tend to assign their 5
axis router to build up foam substrate instead. I would wager that CJ is
looking for another cool piece of machinery to play with.
The ability to do quadrant installations as well as vernier cables would
open a much wider arena for sales. If your lower console can adapt for a
VP200 display, then I am sold! Both Rob Hickman and Stein are probably
redirecting their customers to your site as we read this.
Congrats Geoff (and belated happy 50th)
John - watching in awe as that bar moves UP so rapidly.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
I saw your email last night.... and agree with Robin.... it seems no matter
what we put together, there's always going to be some smart ass that puts us
all to shame. All I managed to do last night was forward your email to my
brother, his shop foreman, and the guy in his shop who handles all the Solid
Works projects. They used Solid Works to design my panel including
splitting it into 3 pieces and designing bracketry to support all the
avionics. I can't wait to hear back from the shop. Hopefully they won't
want me to tear out the panel and start over!
GREAT job Geoff.
Don McDonald
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, geoff Combs <g.combs58@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: geoff Combs <g.combs58@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=g.combs58@yahoo.com> >
Here are some pictures of my carbon fiber panel and lower centerconsole. All
parts weigh 2lbs. These will be available very soon if anyone is
interested. See more pictures at the link below
http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/L5LenCCI/7068012/3161550
Geoff
--------
Build QB RV-10 N829GW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233076#233076
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1558_137.jpg
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_1558_137.jpg>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1552_172.jpg
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_1552_172.jpg>
<Bsp;--> http://www.matronics.com/contri===============
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3906 (20090303) __________
The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Countersinking Fiberglas |
Les,
If you are still looking for information on installing the radios see the
attached file.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Countersinking Fiberglas
Hi Fred
Thanks for the PIX. I think I have an idea as to how you made things work.
If you have a copy of Tony's instructions that would be great. Unfortunately
I wasn't able to get a copy or speak to Tony about how things should go
together...
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: March-02-09 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Countersinking Fiberglas
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Les;
I up loaded some panel pics. I hope it will help some. I did use the
accuracy avionics panel. If you will look closely at the rear panel
picture dated 5/13/08 you can see the aluminum rails that I used to
mount the stack. If you look under the stack you see a couple of boards
that the panel is resting on. These are two layers of MDF that I cut to
the exact size of the radio stack. I then inserted them through the
opening of my center cut out and used them as the parallel and
reference to get the two aluminum rails in place. I don't specifically
remember how I attached the rails, but I remember trimming them to just
fit flush and up behind the fiberglass of the panel and epoxying them in
place. If I remember correctly, I used the corner screw holes to help
hold the rails in place. I also put plate nuts on the rails to hold
the exterior screws.
http://picasaweb.google.com/drfredparis/PanelPics?feat=directlink
Then, Tony's directions on taping the frames together lets you drill
into the sides of the aluminum angles and drill and tap for the screws
that hold the radio frames to the panel. If you don't have a copy of
Tony's directions, let me know and I can dig mine up for you.
Regarding the weight on the screws issue. I really just wanted you to
be aware of what I have seen. There are a lot of screws across there to
hold the weight. Also, for me, I covered the panel and console with a
layer of carbon fiber. That should be worth about 4 layers of
fiberglass. I know I have put a lot of weight on the console when I
have been panel diving to fix small issues and hook things up.
Also, I don't think I would have put the center console in if I had a
choice again. It is very difficult to work around and limits access to
the tunnel for maintenance.
I looks good and is functional. It also takes up some lateral knee room
on long flights.
Fred
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
Robin and gang;
Like everybody else who has posted a reply, I was just blown away seeing
someone "doing it right" I made my carbon fiber panel by overlaying the
accuracy avionics fiberglass one. I had to learn some vaccum bagging
techniques to apply it the best I could.
I saw an interesting segment on "How it's made" on the discovery channel
last night that showed how a complex auto part was made. The part that
is not in the books is how they use the layers and then actually draw
the epoxy resin into the mold/layers of carbon fiber. I never thought
of that.
I saw a pic of Geoff's panel on Vansairforce the other day. I have
been drooling since.
Oh well, mine will still have that "retro look" :).
Dr Fred.
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Fred,
> The idea of a garage/hangar/backyard CNC is no longer
> unthinkable. I own 5 CNC's now with my first one (Used HAAS VF-5)
> costing about the same price as a nice flying RV-10 and my last of the
> same model running less than $60K in better condition than the first
> unit. I have also picked up a cherry VF-1 for $11,000. Crazy great
> value. Unfortunately these are very though times for manufacturing and
> many places are being forced to liquidate with few to no US buyers.
> Expensive equipment significantly underutilized.
> Now the chunks of metal are not going down in price, that is why
> I asked about milling wood to use as the mold. We regularly mill blocks
> of aluminum or steel that size but we have to make two of each (male &
> female) with a lot more considerations for end product wall thickness,
> mold heating & cooling, mechanical part ejection...
> I recall Chris (perfectly good plane) on the list purchased a
> mini "bedroom" CNC for small projects. I think he said the software
> learning curve what the greatest challenge.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
> Williams, M.D.
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:33 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
>
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Geoff:
>
> Wow. I wish I had my own backyard CNC and a block of aluminum the
> size of the panel. Significant cost for the first one. I bet you will
>
> be able to recoup your investment. Looks great.
>
>
> Fred.
>
>
>
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
I will try and answer most of the questions. Yes we will have a configuration for
the throttle quadrants. This was already in the works.
We used a aluminum mold because it was cheaper than making a master
part and then making a carbon fiber mold. These parts are all Carbon fiber prepreg
layups. Sometimes when carbon fiber or fiberglass molds are made there are
voids that are not visible on the surface. When go and layup in these molds and
vacuum bag and autoclave the parts it
opens these voids up and the parts have flaws as well as the molds break down much
quicker. As for wood molds they do work OK but do not last like aluminum.
As for the overhead console that everyone seems to be all fired up about. I chose
to do what I did because it was very close to what I wanted. Yes it had some
fit issues but it was OK. It was not AA overhead. It was much cheaper than
making one for myself. It was not my perfect solution but it was 85% what I wanted.
As for the little die grinder it is for the tool & die industry. Turns about
30,000 I think cuts thru
aluminum and fiberglass like butter.
Also if you use a throttle quadrant instead on the push pull you can just put a
plate over that area and cut out the 3 locations. You could then put switches
on the plate. Also if you do not want the center console or side panels we have
a cap the fits over the bottom middle area that finishes off the panel real
nice. As for cost somewhere between $0.00 and $1,200.00
--------
Build QB RV-10 N829GW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233191#233191
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carbon fiber panel |
here is also a FREE CNC package that runs on a PC and is used for
hobbyists as well as big companies. Go check out EMC2. It
comes fully bundled with Ubuntu.
Jim C
-->
RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks"
<robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Fred,
The idea of a
garage/hangar/backyard CNC is no longer
unthinkable. I own 5 CNC's
now with my first one (Used HAAS VF-5)
costing about the same price
as a nice flying RV-10 and my last of the
same model running less
than $60K in better condition than the first
unit. I have also picked
up a cherry VF-1 for $11,000. Crazy great
value. Unfortunately these
are very though times for manufacturing and
many places are being
forced to liquidate with few to no US buyers.
Expensive equipment
significantly underutilized.
Now the chunks of metal are not going
down in price, that is why
I asked about milling wood to use as the
mold. We regularly mill blocks
of aluminum or steel that size but we
have to make two of each (male &
female) with a lot more
considerations for end product wall thickness,
mold heating &
cooling, mechanical part ejection...
I recall Chris (perfectly good
plane) on the list purchased a
mini "bedroom" CNC for small
projects. I think he said the software
learning curve what the
greatest challenge.
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Williams, M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:33 AM
To:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
M.D."
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Geoff:
Wow. I wish I had my own backyard CNC and a block of aluminum
the
size of the panel. Significant cost for the first one. I bet
you will
be able to recoup your investment. Looks great.
Fred.
- The RV10-List Email Forum -
Features Navigator to browse
Un/Subscription,
Chat, FAQ,
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
available via the Web Forums!
http://forums.matronics.com
- List Contribution Web Site -
generous support!
Admin.
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
This matronics thing is too cool. I keep reading all of these write ups that are
so far in the future for me. Oh well, I am getting better at drilling out rivits
than bucking them. Not really. Just about finished the elevator halves,
had the kit for a month know. I ordered my SB wings. a few weeks ago. I am
really enjoying the building process and reading the emails on my Blackberry.
Also, I would like to know if there are any builders/fliers that will send out
the airport (western U.S.) they are located at and if they don't mind, let me
meet them and their airplane. With my job I travel a lot and would love to see
any other tens out there.
Here is a pic of my fathers old machine shop and a few parts he made me. He made
a squeezer yoke and my HS attach brackets in his mill. I made this back rivit
table from some scrap cold rolled 1/2 inch steel.
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233194#233194
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/home_made_back_rivit_table_small_184.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dad_milling_parts_small_167.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_rudder_and_elevator_012_small_185.jpg
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
put me on the list for the $0.00 one. (haha)
Your work truly is amazing and inspiring.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "geoff Combs" <g.combs58@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Carbon fiber panel
>
> I will try and answer most of the questions. Yes we will have a
> configuration for the throttle quadrants. This was already in the works.
> We used a aluminum mold because it was cheaper than making a master
> part and then making a carbon fiber mold. These parts are all Carbon fiber
> prepreg layups. Sometimes when carbon fiber or fiberglass molds are made
> there are voids that are not visible on the surface. When go and layup in
> these molds and vacuum bag and autoclave the parts it
> opens these voids up and the parts have flaws as well as the molds break
> down much quicker. As for wood molds they do work OK but do not last like
> aluminum. As for the overhead console that everyone seems to be all fired
> up about. I chose to do what I did because it was very close to what I
> wanted. Yes it had some fit issues but it was OK. It was not AA overhead.
> It was much cheaper than making one for myself. It was not my perfect
> solution but it was 85% what I wanted. As for the little die grinder it is
> for the tool & die industry. Turns about 30,000 I think cuts thru
> aluminum and fiberglass like butter.
> Also if you use a throttle quadrant instead on the push pull you can just
> put a plate over that area and cut out the 3 locations. You could then put
> switches on the plate. Also if you do not want the center console or side
> panels we have a cap the fits over the bottom middle area that finishes
> off the panel real nice. As for cost somewhere between $0.00 and $1,200.00
>
> --------
> Build QB RV-10 N829GW
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233191#233191
>
>
>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I'm not at an airport... but you (and any other lister for that
matter) are welcome to stop by my office where my kit sits at the
90/90 stage... I'm by the Rose Bowl.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Do Not Archive
On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Strasnuts wrote:
>
> This matronics thing is too cool. I keep reading all of these
> write ups that are so far in the future for me. Oh well, I am
> getting better at drilling out rivits than bucking them. Not
> really. Just about finished the elevator halves, had the kit for a
> month know. I ordered my SB wings. a few weeks ago. I am really
> enjoying the building process and reading the emails on my Blackberry.
>
> Also, I would like to know if there are any builders/fliers that
> will send out the airport (western U.S.) they are located at and if
> they don't mind, let me meet them and their airplane. With my job I
> travel a lot and would love to see any other tens out there.
>
> Here is a pic of my fathers old machine shop and a few parts he
> made me. He made a squeezer yoke and my HS attach brackets in his
> mill. I made this back rivit table from some scrap cold rolled 1/2
> inch steel.
>
> --------
> A&P, ATP
> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
> RV-10 emp started!!!!
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233194#233194
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/
> home_made_back_rivit_table_small_184.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dad_milling_parts_small_167.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/
> rv_10_rudder_and_elevator_012_small_185.jpg
>
>
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Strasnuts wrote:
> Also, I would like to know if there are any builders/fliers that will send out
the airport (western U.S.) they are located at and if they don't mind, let me
meet them and their airplane. With my job I travel a lot and would love to see
any other tens out there.
>
You might want to register with Tim. As a registered builder you will have access
to more info that I beileve will be VERY HELPFUL to you. Hint hint [Mr. Green]
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Engine, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233212#233212
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon fiber panel |
Geoff - you are an inspiration.
The median price of $900.00 looks right ON... Not too Cold, Not too Hot.
Ready with a security deposit$$. You are one of the first to acknowledge
the poor mold voids that have lead to such Vans part manufacturing QC
issues and the dozens of hours of redux. With the aluminum female mold
you could run refrigerant veins to slow the layup time and speed the
ramp up time on the autoclave heat up. The process is still pure
Starwars.
The pencil die grinder is often sold for around a $100 from A/S or Tool
Yard, but Harbor Freight has them at times for $9.99 on special. They
either work or don't. Three years of heavy use and I have given two as
gifts to friends. Another buddy burned up my Dremel using electricity
for extended periods. Uses Home Depot 0.125" shaft Dremel products from
buffing wheels, cutoff, sanding or die grinding inserts. Is great for
punching quick holes through composite for nutplate attachments or
shaping an edge.
John N49CX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Carbon fiber panel
put me on the list for the $0.00 one. (haha)
Your work truly is amazing and inspiring.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "geoff Combs" <g.combs58@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Carbon fiber panel
>
> I will try and answer most of the questions. Yes we will have a
> configuration for the throttle quadrants. This was already in the
works.
> We used a aluminum mold because it was cheaper than making a master
> part and then making a carbon fiber mold. These parts are all Carbon
fiber
> prepreg layups. Sometimes when carbon fiber or fiberglass molds are
made
> there are voids that are not visible on the surface. When go and layup
in
> these molds and vacuum bag and autoclave the parts it
> opens these voids up and the parts have flaws as well as the molds
break
> down much quicker. As for wood molds they do work OK but do not last
like
> aluminum. As for the overhead console that everyone seems to be all
fired
> up about. I chose to do what I did because it was very close to what I
> wanted. Yes it had some fit issues but it was OK. It was not AA
overhead.
> It was much cheaper than making one for myself. It was not my perfect
> solution but it was 85% what I wanted. As for the little die grinder
it is
> for the tool & die industry. Turns about 30,000 I think cuts thru
> aluminum and fiberglass like butter.
> Also if you use a throttle quadrant instead on the push pull you can
just
> put a plate over that area and cut out the 3 locations. You could then
put
> switches on the plate. Also if you do not want the center console or
side
> panels we have a cap the fits over the bottom middle area that
finishes
> off the panel real nice. As for cost somewhere between $0.00 and
$1,200.00
>
> --------
> Build QB RV-10 N829GW
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233191#233191
>
>
>
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Liability Insurance |
Don
Give Andrini and Associates a call there the best Aviation Ins. Company I
have ever used. They might be able to save you some $$$.
I can get you the number if you would like. I have had several planes
insured thru them, a Cardinal , the Saratoga and will do the RV-10 when I
get it done.
And by the way, It was great meeting you during the rv fly in. Your plane is
amazing and the quality of work is awesome you did a great job. I hope mune
will turn out half as good as yours.
I did manage to get up to Vans Aircraft during my trio to Oregon, and did
the factory tour and got almost a hour in there -10. Man I did the right
thing picking the 10 I was totally amazed and am extreamly happy with my
decision.
I will stop up and pay ya a visit. Have a great day
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
Yeah, I am lucky that I type like a caffeine addicted secretary, because
it would take me forever to reply otherwise. I do like to give
replies though that don't leave things too vague, so that's why I
take the extra words.
When I got my first quotes, they quoted 5 hrs Dual / 10 hrs solo.
I was covered for my first flight after only the 5 hours dual, but
they had an additional 10% deductible or something like that
until I got my 10 solo hours in. I had my instrument rating
at the time, so I don't know what the situation would have been
if I had been VFR-only. I also had made it out of the "low-time"
category by then....not having thousands, but at least a few hundred
hours. All that helps. I know the requirements are a little more
stringent now, which I'm betting are not only due to seeing a few
losses...(I know at least 1 RV-10 was fully paid out in insurance
after the loss), but also perhaps due to a real rash in accidents
in the Lancairs, with greater, but not all unsimilar performance.
Heck, even the Cirrus record as of late may be partly to blame for
our ills. Whatever the case though, the insurance folks put those
clauses in there because they have experience to show where the
risk is...and it's important not to lose too much sight of that,
despite the pains it causes us. I will state for a fact that
when I was a 40-80 hr pilot I had many more "situations" that I'm
just glad never amounted to an incident. It was during my instrument
training, in fact, that I suddenly realized that my basic flying
skills were taking a leap, because I was so busy flying the gauges
that I didn't have TIME be lazy and fly with less precision.
I do feel for you though on the insurance. I have mixed
feelings, in that $6000 and the other requirements they put
on you seem like overkill at times. But then I am reminded
of my earlier time in aircraft in my <100 or <150 hour
experience range and man, I am probably lucky I didn't have
an RV-10 at the time. I probably would have ADVANCED my skills
faster if I would have had easy access to such a plane
back then, but I really would hate to make some of the mistakes
I made back then, if I were making them in my RV-10. So it's
a mixed bag. It is really one of the reasons I try to talk
people into just buying a SPAM can for learning to fly , or for
a first airplane, and then put in some initial time. It isn't
as fun, but they are much less to lose, and the insurance is far
easier to get. My father learned to fly in our plane that we bought
together, and back then, he was the reason for our higher rates,
since he was a student, and then later just low-time, while
not too long after buying it I got my IFR ticket. Despite having
2 pilots and his low time, our insurance started at maybe $1100,
and ended up in the $800's. Full coverage. We both put 250 hours
in that plane before selling it, so we walked away selling it
for more than we bought it....with the major expense being fuel
and annuals.
Photo
http://www.5000feet.com/forsale/sundowner/pics/midsize/N2251L0012.jpg
Anyway, even if you have to pay $6,000 for the first year, considering
the low time and lack of instrument rating, in perspective you're
maybe only paying $2,000 more than someone with 200 hours would. That
money is less than the cost of the FUEL you'll burn just doing the
private pilot course. Also, fuel is only about 1/3 the cost of the
overall operation of the plane, so in perspective it's really not
that much money. The perspective is important. Like what's a $3000
Nav/Com when you're building a $150,000 plane. Also, you'll find
you progress best in skill if you can fly at least 100hrs/yr for your
first couple of years. If you do that, and amortize the $2000
additional insurance fee out over a year, you're only talking $20/hr.
Now let me ask you this...if you were renting a plane at the airport
for instruction, and someone told you that you could get your PPSEL
in an RV-10 for only $20/hr extra....I think many people would jump
all over that. And I bet you a cold one that after your first 100
hours of time are put in, and you have a Private Pilot Certificate,
you'll be able to find someone who will cover you for less than
$6,000 the 2nd year. It may not be $3500, but it will beat $6,00.
The key is getting the time and ratings under your belt that put you
in a better statistical risk category.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Don McDonald wrote:
> Tim, I have 2 things to say; 1, you must type really fast.... because
> you take no shortcuts and relay exactly what you think and feel.....
> and 2, thank you for doing exactly that.
> Unfortunately, the times/insurance situation has changed quite a bit
> since the time you were the low time pilot. Like I said before, they
> won't even let me fly the plane until I have some 20 hours of dual,
> including instrument time, then have a test pilot fly off the 40 hours,
> and for that privilidge they want $6,000 a year. So I will try to get
> some extra time in the 3 or 4 10's in the area.... but then I will
> almost be forced to get either liability only or liability with ground
> and taxi. Certainly if I had the quote you had from the beginning, I to
> would jump on it. Things are a little different for me, I should just
> about have the plane paid off prior to the first flight... which I
> estimate should be the end of March or beginning of April.
> Again, I look forward to meeting you, and thanks so much for supplying
> so much info to us newbees.
> Don McDonald
> #40636
> Almost flying - Awaiting FAA paperwork
>
> --- On *Sun, 3/1/09, Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:36 PM
>
> <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> Jay,
>
> My First years quote was $3441 for total coverage, both in
> and not in motion...total coverage.
>
> I got a quote of $2,083 for coverage that was just
> for ground and taxi operations....i.e. once you take
> the runway, no hull coverage at all.
>
> I got a quote of $1,724 for "not in motion" coverage...only
> covers the hull when you're parked with the engine off.
>
> $782 liability only....no hull coverage whatsoever.
>
> So that gives you an idea of the breakdown.
>
> NOW, the tricky question is....if you have almost no time
> in an RV-10, which time period do you think you're causing
> yourself the BIGGEST financial risk if you fly without insurance?
> My first year I started to sway towards getting "Not in Motion",
> but then hey, it's "only" ~$150 to get taxi coverage. And after
> all, what if this new plane you built develops brake problems.
> There is no steerable nosewheel, so for a newbie pilot it
> might not be that far fetched to have a taxi incident early
> in your RV-10 life. So now I was happy to spend $2,083.
> Well, then I thought about it again...if I were to consider
> when I may be most likely to have problems, it would for
> SURE be during the flyoff period. Add to that the fact that
> the first 100 hours or so you're finally learning and understanding
> your plane. So, at that point it's "only" ~$1350 to upgrade
> for at least that first year, to total coverage. I wasn't
> willing to risk my entire financial future, the loss of an
> expensive plane, and risk starting at step 1 all over again
> for $1350 approx....so I went with full coverage. Consider
> that if I had to start with Step 1, to me that is "Save money
> for 5 years or so, so I can even start the kit".
>
> I would think it wise to just pony up the dollars for the first
> 100 hours or so of flight time. Now today, with 445+ hours
> on the plane, I'm reasonably confident that my risk level isn't
> nearly what it used to be. So I actually consider the
> "not in flight" coverage to save that $1200-1400/yr. The catch
> is, I'm still not fully financially restored from the build,
> and the loss of the plane would still devistate me financially
> and psychologically. So I just can't get myself to not spend
> that extra bit. Some day I may though, because you're right,
> any minor damage you can probably repair, even if it means
> building a whole pair of wings.
>
> We have had more than just the 3 fatals so far though...there
> are some not-in-motion losses, and some other "in-flight"
> losses, and landing incidents. So for many, some amount of
> coverage may be a real good idea. Sadly, it's those with the
> fewest PIC hours that will not only pay the highest rates, but
> will also NEED the insurance the most.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jay Rowe wrote:
> > Linn: Give us a ballpark of what liability only insurance costs
> both for-in motion and not-in-motion. Also would you know what the
> cost would be for hull replacement for not-in-motion? My thoughts
> are that I need liability coverage for all possibilities but only
> need hull coverage if it gets whacked by someone or something while
> sitting on a ramp, or if the hanger burns or collapses. Any mild to
> moderate damage while in motion I can probably fix, and I probably
> won't be able to care if there is major damage. Thanks, Jay Rowe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* linn <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:07 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
> >
> > I have not-in-motion liability to meet the hangar lease
> > requirements. I dropped it from in-motion this year. No
> hull for
> > many years.
> > Linn
> >
> > partner14 wrote:
> <building_partner@yahoo.com
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>>
> >>
> >> Has anyone just got liability insurance? No hull value, no
> extra anything. Either for the first flight, the flyoff, or
> forever?
> >> Thanks guys.
> >>
> >> Don McDonald
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Don A. McDonald
> >> 40636http:http://forums.matronics.com/"
> target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carbon fiber panel |
I have a hardcopy of the panel. He was kind enough to give me a printed
copy to drool over as I plan my panel the last time I was at his shop. I
have it up on a wall outside my office in the basement. I keep re-arranging
the stack every couple of weeks. I figure I'll have it perfect by the time
I have to actually install it.
I like Paul's pedal's too. Now if we can just get everyone to order a set,
so Paul can mass produce them and get the price down!
The nice thing about being unemployed at the moment is that my fuselage kit
arrived the week before and I have plenty of time on my hands. Banging
rivets is a great way to relief the stress and pains of the old job.
It is definitely that time of year in which the OSH countdown clock begins.
I may be camping in a tent this year, but I'll be there.
Bob
Do not archive
From: John Cox [mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: FW: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
From: John Cox
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
I would love to find out the format of your full size drawing or if Geoff is
making it available. I have a 3D Full size buildup using Foamcore of mine
with Twin G900s or twin AFS4500. It has the King Air style eyebrow row with
backup Steam Gauges, Autopilot and Caution/Warning lights. The switch row
is at the bottom, deletions and modification of the kneecap line compensates
for Infinity Grips. I wanted a VP200 with a totally different overhead
console including their Engine Start buttons and map lights with eyeball
ducts. The upper panel is canted 70 degrees, the switches and VP are at 60
degrees for improved ergonomics.
I will absolutely go with the Throttle Quad.
I was hit with Workman's Comp (five months in 2008) then a "sue us for your
back pay cause we don't think you can't prove it happened at the airline".
My attorney is confident of a settlement. Death of both Parents and of
course the 401k conversion to the 200.5K that Deems and I talk offline
about. I meant to get out before the election and will for the rest of my
life remember why (but did not) in 2008. Wishing you the best at a solid
future income stream. Oregon has gone from 5.9 to 10.2 unemployment and I
am forecasting 12 to 15% before the dust settles. My real estate is being
pressed down 40% to align with what used to be stocks. My bonds are another
story. At 60, I am rethinking everything but stopping RV-10 production. I
have secured the name RV10.PRO and will go Build Assist to play with Jesse
as soon as the FAA reapproves his ops and Two Weeks to Taxi.
Geoff has me dreaming of being 50 again.
I picked up a virgin Lancair IVP "Dolly Parton" cowl and am reverse lofting
it for my Carbon Fibre "Pamela Sue" for the RV10. It is conceptual to allow
twin turbo or angle valve Lycoming placement onto the stock mounting
bracket. Will require composite prop ONLY. It has the Sbach snarl nostrils
and buxomly firm exhaust curves just like its namesake. It just does not
yet have the penciled eyebrows. I tried for a subtle plug of Paul
Grimstad's pedals this morning. Deems will be the first one flying them.
He is getting the Medical review this AM.
Looking forward to seeing you at OSH '09.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Carbon fiber panel
John,
I have a full size drawing up on my wall of Geoff's panel, so that I can
play with equipment placement. I've haven't checked depth yet, but it does
appear that the VP-200 display shouldn't be an issue for the lower console.
I'm still debating on whether or not if I want to go with a quadrant or
not. That's what both my son and I are familiar with, but I think with
Geoff's panel, I'm considering going the traditional route. If I hadn't
been laid off this past month, I would have probably purchased a quadrant
and given it to Geoff for prototyping.
Having the opportunity to see Geoff's work in person, I can verify that he
does great work. His aluminum center console is a work of art too.
bob
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3906 (20090303) __________
The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? |
Trying to get my Precision Airmotive silver hawk EX F/I servo attached permanently
to the Mattituck engine and Filtered Air Box.
I called Mahlon at Mattituck who told me that the servo is bolted on to the engine
with the already attached studs. He said to use a std washer and then a star
washer over that before you bolt it on to 204 in/lbs. I assume that it will
not vibrate out - does anyone use locktite????
Next is the attachment to the FAB box which is accomplished with the supplied "non-standard"
1/4 x 20 bolts that are 1/2 inch long. Instead of the standard
#AN4 bolts that can be safety wired. These to be secured with 96 in/lbs into the
aluminum. Ingetion of these bolts into the maifold could be catastrophic.
Question: Does anyone know a source for 1/4 x 20 x 3/4" long (the 1/2" are too
short) bolts that are drilled with a hole for safety wires????
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233228#233228
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Filtered Air Box Failure |
Wow - thanks for the heads up on that Dave. Might be a good idea to add a bit more
glass during the build while the unit is free of grease. good post.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233229#233229
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... |
Any suggestions on fitting the baffle seal between the FAB & the inlet?
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233230#233230
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... |
I thought this was going to be a chore, but it turned out not to be. I have a 1/2"
gap between the aft edge of the inlet and the forward edge of the FAB, so
I made the baffle strips 1" wide. Installed them so they were in plane with the
top, sides and bottom of the FAB. The material is flexible enough that it adjusts
to any minor misalignment. It may have been pure luck, but it worked out
well.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233235#233235
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? |
Check with Vans. My FAB came with drilled bolts straight from Vans. The bolts
are specifically noted as needing to be safety wired.
--------
eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233251#233251
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Alternative to 100LL? |
Interesting article today on a possible alternative to 100LL in the
works.
It's on this web site: http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/bizav/1325-full.html#199892
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Liability Insurance |
John, thanks a bunch.... and also thanks for the kind words about my 10.-
I try....
I looked up Andrini.... looks like a huge company.- Do they insure indivi
duals, or just companies.- If you have a personal agent contact, that wou
ld be great.- Thanks again, Don
--- On Wed, 3/4/09, John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net> wrote:
From: John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
Don
Give Andrini and Associates a call there the best Aviation Ins. Company I
have ever used.- They might be able to save you some $$$.
I can get you the number if you would like.- I have had several planes
insured thru them, a Cardinal , the Saratoga and will do the RV-10 when I
get it done.
And by the way, It was great meeting you during the rv fly in. Your plane i
s
amazing and the quality of work is awesome you did a great job.- I hope m
une
will turn out half as good as yours.
I did manage to get up to Vans Aircraft during my trio to Oregon, and did
the factory tour and got almost a hour in there -10. Man I did the right
thing picking the 10 I was totally amazed and am extreamly happy with my
decision.
I will stop up and pay ya a visit.- Have a great day
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
Yeah, I am lucky that I type like a caffeine addicted secretary, because
it would take me forever to reply otherwise.- I do like to give
replies though that don't leave things too vague, so that's why I
take the extra words.
When I got my first quotes, they quoted 5 hrs Dual / 10 hrs solo.
I was covered for my first flight after only the 5 hours dual, but
they had an additional 10% deductible or something like that
until I got my 10 solo hours in.- I had my instrument rating
at the time, so I don't know what the situation would have been
if I had been VFR-only.- I also had made it out of the "low-time"
category by then....not having thousands, but at least a few hundred
hours.- All that helps.---I know the requirements are a little more
stringent now, which I'm betting are not only due to seeing a few
losses...(I know at least 1 RV-10 was fully paid out in insurance
after the loss), but also perhaps due to a real rash in accidents
in the Lancairs, with greater, but not all unsimilar performance.
Heck, even the Cirrus record as of late may be partly to blame for
our ills.- Whatever the case though, the insurance folks put those
clauses in there because they have experience to show where the
risk is...and it's important not to lose too much sight of that,
despite the pains it causes us.- I will state for a fact that
when I was a 40-80 hr pilot I had many more "situations" that I'm
just glad never amounted to an incident.- It was during my instrument
training, in fact, that I suddenly realized that my basic flying
skills were taking a leap, because I was so busy flying the gauges
that I didn't have TIME be lazy and fly with less precision.
I do feel for you though on the insurance.- I have mixed
feelings, in that $6000 and the other requirements they put
on you seem like overkill at times.- But then I am reminded
of my earlier time in aircraft in my <100 or <150 hour
experience range and man, I am probably lucky I didn't have
an RV-10 at the time.- I probably would have ADVANCED my skills
faster if I would have had easy access to such a plane
back then, but I really would hate to make some of the mistakes
I made back then, if I were making them in my RV-10.- So it's
a mixed bag.- It is really one of the reasons I try to talk
people into just buying a SPAM can for learning to fly , or for
a first airplane, and then put in some initial time.- It isn't
as fun, but they are much less to lose, and the insurance is far
easier to get.- My father learned to fly in our plane that we bought
together, and back then, he was the reason for our higher rates,
since he was a student, and then later just low-time, while
not too long after buying it I got my IFR ticket.- Despite having
2 pilots and his low time, our insurance started at maybe $1100,
and ended up in the $800's.- Full coverage.- We both put 250 hours
in that plane before selling it, so we walked away selling it
for more than we bought it....with the major expense being fuel
and annuals.
Photo
http://www.5000feet.com/forsale/sundowner/pics/midsize/N2251L0012.jpg
Anyway, even if you have to pay $6,000 for the first year, considering
the low time and lack of instrument rating, in perspective you're
maybe only paying $2,000 more than someone with 200 hours would.- That
money is less than the cost of the FUEL you'll burn just doing the
private pilot course.- Also, fuel is only about 1/3 the cost of the
overall operation of the plane, so in perspective it's really not
that much money.- The perspective is important.- Like what's a $3000
Nav/Com when you're building a $150,000 plane.- Also, you'll find
you progress best in skill if you can fly at least 100hrs/yr for your
first couple of years.- If you do that, and amortize the $2000
additional insurance fee out over a year, you're only talking $20/hr.
Now let me ask you this...if you were renting a plane at the airport
for instruction, and someone told you that you could get your PPSEL
in an RV-10 for only $20/hr extra....I think many people would jump
all over that.- And I bet you a cold one that after your first 100
hours of time are put in, and you have a Private Pilot Certificate,
you'll be able to find someone who will cover you for less than
$6,000 the 2nd year.- It may not be $3500, but it will beat $6,00.
The key is getting the time and ratings under your belt that put you
in a better statistical risk category.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Don McDonald wrote:
> Tim, I have 2 things to say;- 1, you must type really fast.... because
> you take no shortcuts and relay exactly what you think and feel.....-
> and 2, thank you for doing exactly that.
> Unfortunately, the times/insurance situation has changed quite a bit
> since the time you were the low time pilot.- Like I said before, they
> won't even let me fly the plane until I have some 20 hours of dual,
> including instrument time, then have a test pilot fly off the 40 hours,
> and for that privilidge they want $6,000 a year.- So I will try to get
> some extra time in the 3 or 4 10's in the area.... but then I will
> almost be forced to get either liability only or liability with ground
> and taxi.- Certainly if I had the quote you had from the beginning, I t
o
> would jump on it.- Things are a little different for me, I should just
> about have the plane paid off prior to the first flight... which I
> estimate should be the end of March or beginning of April.
> Again, I look forward to meeting you, and thanks so much for supplying
> so much info to us newbees.
> Don McDonald
> #40636
> Almost flying- -- Awaiting FAA paperwork
>
> --- On *Sun, 3/1/09, Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>- ---From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>- ---Subject: Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:36 PM
>
>- ---<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.co
m>>
>
>- ---Jay,
>
>- ---My First years quote was $3441 for total coverage, both in
>- ---and not in motion...total coverage.
>
>- ---I got a quote of $2,083 for coverage that was just
>- ---for ground and taxi operations....i.e. once you take
>- ---the runway, no hull coverage at all.
>
>- ---I got a quote of $1,724 for "not in motion" coverage...only
>- ---covers the hull when you're parked with the engine off.
>
>- ---$782 liability only....no hull coverage whatsoever.
>
>- ---So that gives you an idea of the breakdown.
>
>- ---NOW, the tricky question is....if you have almost no time
>- ---in an RV-10, which time period do you think you're causing
>- ---yourself the BIGGEST financial risk if you fly without insura
nce?
>- ---My first year I started to sway towards getting "Not in Motio
n",
>- ---but then hey, it's "only" ~$150 to get taxi coverage.- And
after
>- ---all, what if this new plane you built develops brake problems
.
>- ---There is no steerable nosewheel, so for a newbie pilot it
>- ---might not be that far fetched to have a taxi incident early
>- ---in your RV-10 life.---So now I was happy to spend $2,08
3.
>- ---Well, then I thought about it again...if I were to consider
>- ---when I may be most likely to have problems, it would for
>- ---SURE be during the flyoff period.- Add to that the fact tha
t
>- ---the first 100 hours or so you're finally learning and underst
anding
>- ---your plane.- So, at that point it's "only" ~$1350 to upgrad
e
>- ---for at least that first year, to total coverage.- I wasn't
>- ---willing to risk my entire financial future, the loss of an
>- ---expensive plane, and risk starting at step 1 all over again
>- ---for $1350 approx....so I went with full coverage.- Consider
>- ---that if I had to start with Step 1, to me that is "Save money
>- ---for 5 years or so, so I can even start the kit".
>
>- ---I would think it wise to just pony up the dollars for the fir
st
>- ---100 hours or so of flight time.- Now today, with 445+ hours
>- ---on the plane, I'm reasonably confident that my risk level isn
't
>- ---nearly what it used to be.- So I actually consider the
>- ---"not in flight" coverage to save that $1200-1400/yr.- The c
atch
>- ---is, I'm still not fully financially restored from the build,
>- ---and the loss of the plane would still devistate me financiall
y
>- ---and psychologically.- So I just can't get myself to not spe
nd
>- ---that extra bit.- Some day I may though, because you're righ
t,
>- ---any minor damage you can probably repair, even if it means
>- ---building a whole pair of wings.
>
>- ---We have had more than just the 3 fatals so far though...there
>- ---are some not-in-motion losses, and some other "in-flight"
>- ---losses, and landing incidents.- So for many, some amount of
>- ---coverage may be a real good idea.- Sadly, it's those with t
he
>- ---fewest PIC hours that will not only pay the highest rates, bu
t
>- ---will also NEED the insurance the most.
>
>
>- ---Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>- ---do not archive
>
>
>- ---Jay Rowe wrote:
>- - - > Linn:- Give us a ballpark of what liability only insurance
costs
>- ---both for-in motion and not-in-motion.- Also would you know
what the
>- ---cost would be for hull replacement for not-in-motion?- My t
houghts
>- ---are that I need liability coverage for all possibilities but
only
>- ---need hull coverage if it gets whacked by someone or something
while
>- ---sitting on a ramp, or if the hanger burns or collapses.- An
y mild to
>- ---moderate damage while in motion I can probably fix, and I pro
bably
>- ---won't be able to care if there is major damage.- Thanks,-
Jay Rowe
>- - - >
>- - - >- -------- Original Message -----
>- - - >- ---*From:* linn <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
>- - - >- ---*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@mat
ronics.com>
>- ---<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>>
>- - - >- ---*Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:07 PM
>- - - >- ---*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Liability Insurance
>- - - >
>- - - >- ---I have not-in-motion liability to meet the hanga
r lease
>- - - >- ---requirements.- I dropped it from in-motion thi
s year.- No
>- ---hull for
>- - - >- ---many years.
>- - - >- ---Linn
>- - - >
>- - - >- ---partner14 wrote:
>- ---<building_partner@yahoo.com
>
<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>
>
>- - - >>
>- - - >>- ---Has anyone just got liability insurance?- No
hull value, no
>- ---extra anything.- - - Either for the first flight, the f
lyoff, or
>- ---forever?
>- - - >>- ---Thanks guys.
>- - - >>
>- - - >>- ---Don McDonald
>- - - >>
>- - - >>- -----------
>- - - >>- ---Don A. McDonald
>- - - >>- ---40636http:http://forums.matronics.com/"
>- ---target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | TCW Technologies new product announcement |
Fellow RV builders,
Once again it is time for TCW Technologies to announce the availability
of a new product. We have designed a small control module called
SmartStart. It simplifies the installation and operation of push
button or control stick starting of the aircraft engine starter.
SmartStart provides an arming switch input and an interlock input and 1
minute timer during which a momentary switch may activate the engine
starter. The arming switch may be hidden to improve theft resistance
of the aircraft, the 1 minute timer helps prevent inadvertent starter
activation. The interlock switch may be coupled to a door or canopy
switch. SmartStart directly drives standard starter contactors and
is all electronic.
All the details are on our web site: www.tcwtech.com
Best regards,
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC.
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? |
Those should definitely have come with the FWF kit if I remember
correctly. Either that or it should come with the engine, but I think
in one of the hardware bags in the FWF kit. Check those out.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:33 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Trying to get my Precision Airmotive silver hawk EX F/I servo
> attached permanently to the Mattituck engine and Filtered Air Box.
>
> I called Mahlon at Mattituck who told me that the servo is bolted on
> to the engine with the already attached studs. He said to use a std
> washer and then a star washer over that before you bolt it on to 204
> in/lbs. I assume that it will not vibrate out - does anyone use
> locktite????
>
> Next is the attachment to the FAB box which is accomplished with the
> supplied "non-standard" 1/4 x 20 bolts that are 1/2 inch long.
> Instead of the standard #AN4 bolts that can be safety wired. These
> to be secured with 96 in/lbs into the aluminum. Ingetion of these
> bolts into the maifold could be catastrophic.
>
> Question: Does anyone know a source for 1/4 x 20 x 3/4" long (the
> 1/2" are too short) bolts that are drilled with a hole for safety
> wires????
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233228#233228
>
>
Message 35
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... |
I may get flamed for this, but I have seen this done and tried it
myself and it works great and saves a bunch of work, as well as making
the cowl easier to get on/off. Spruce sells rolls of rubber baffle
seal that is thicker and stiffer than the Van's supplied material.
This seal material can cover a 1"+ gap from the FAB to the cowl inlet
and the cowl can remain as it comes from Van's. I will look for some
pictures, but I don't think I have any close at hand.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:38 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on fitting the baffle seal between the FAB & the
> inlet?
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233230#233230
>
>
Message 36
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... |
No reason to flame Jesse, I've seen quite a few FAB to cowl inlets without any
seal...I think a good stiff seal mounted on the FAB and cut to fit up close on
the non-tubed inlet is a great idea. Its not like the air won't flow right into
the FAB...of course it only applies to non cold air induction ala Deems and
other "Hotrods".
Rick S
40185
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC.....
I may get flamed for this, but I have seen this done and tried it
myself and it works great and saves a bunch of work, as well as making
the cowl easier to get on/off. Spruce sells rolls of rubber baffle
seal that is thicker and stiffer than the Van's supplied material.
This seal material can cover a 1"+ gap from the FAB to the cowl inlet
and the cowl can remain as it comes from Van's. I will look for some
pictures, but I don't think I have any close at hand.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:38 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on fitting the baffle seal between the FAB & the
> inlet?
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233230#233230
>
>
Message 37
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... |
I'm not sure if this will work for the FAB to Cowl, but here's how we
did on on the Will James cowl.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC07042.html
It's a simple piece of neoprene, that is glued into a cylinder glue, and
then clamped to the cowl inlet. This is the process used for connecting
the cooling intakes for the James cowl as well.
Deems Davis # 406
DAR is showing up on Fri!!!!!
http://deemsrv10.com/
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I may get flamed for this, but I have seen this done and tried it
> myself and it works great and saves a bunch of work, as well as making
> the cowl easier to get on/off. Spruce sells rolls of rubber baffle
> seal that is thicker and stiffer than the Van's supplied material.
> This seal material can cover a 1"+ gap from the FAB to the cowl inlet
> and the cowl can remain as it comes from Van's. I will look for some
> pictures, but I don't think I have any close at hand.
>
Message 38
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel injection servo attachment - concerned ? |
My FWF kit that I picked up approx August '07 has these plain 1/2" long 1/4x20
bolts. They use this "tab/washer arrangement" to secure the bolts in place.
I consider this a poor solution and potentially dangerous giving you four more
pieces of steel in the FAB.
I may have located the drilled 1/4 x 20 bolts at Spencer Aircraft in Washington
State.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233298#233298
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|