---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/11/09: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:49 AM - Real airplanes fly 24 volts (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Real airplanes fly 24 volts (Kelly McMullen) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: 24 Volt Electrical System (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 4. 08:39 AM - Re: 24 Volt Electrical System (Robin Marks) 5. 10:21 AM - Remembrance of Mark Ritter (John Cox) 6. 01:23 PM - Re: Adel Pliers (John Cox) 7. 01:53 PM - Aviation Consumer (BrianNC) 8. 02:05 PM - Re: 24 Volt Electrical System (johngoodman) 9. 02:05 PM - Re: Adel Pliers (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 10. 02:11 PM - More LOP (BrianNC) 11. 02:14 PM - Re: 24 Volt Electrical System (Mike Much) 12. 02:14 PM - Re: More LOP (BrianNC) 13. 02:14 PM - Re: Aviation Consumer On LOP (BrianNC) 14. 02:16 PM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (BrianNC) 15. 02:16 PM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (BrianNC) 16. 02:30 PM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (BrianNC) 17. 02:41 PM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (BrianNC) 18. 02:44 PM - Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) (BrianNC) 19. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: 24 Volt Electrical System (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 20. 03:40 PM - Re: 24 Volt Electrical System (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 21. 05:06 PM - FW: Remembrance of Mark Ritter (david b. jones) 22. 08:01 PM - Re: Top COMM antenna (Marcus Cooper) 23. 08:01 PM - Re: Adel Pliers (Marcus Cooper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:41 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Real airplanes fly 24 volts From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" We've got a 24 volt system, like all REAL airplanes! : ) Or like people who are pushed that way by their avionics. But it does make for fun poking around to try and find the appropriate 24 volt contactors, etc. . . . TDT 40025 Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:38 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Real airplanes fly 24 volts Ah yes, *those* real aircraft that require real aircraft parts at unreal pricing with unreal supply chains. 8-) Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: > > We've got a 24 volt system, like all REAL airplanes! : ) > > > > Or like people who are pushed that way by their avionics. > > > > But it does make for fun poking around to try and find the appropriate > 24 volt contactors, etc. . . . > > > TDT > > 40025 > > > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > tdt@aurora.aero > > 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > > > * > > > * -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:36 AM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System I will be running dual Oddessy batteries for both=C2-12 and 24 volts in m y 10.=C2- Same thing I did on the Cozy MKIV.=C2- I want 24V cranking th e engine and=C2-then have the flexibility to mix 12/24 volt as needed.=C2 - With the batteries wired=C2-together, I tapped the buss bar that conn ects them for my 12V supply.=C2- Some state that one of the batteries wil l drain first and the other will become a donner battery, killing the batte ry in short order.=C2- Has not happened yet in the Cozy.=C2- There is a battery equalizer that will solve the problem but it costs about $275 that will prevent this. .=C2- One guy just flip-flops his batteries at every oil change and states he never has had any problems.=C2- I made a very sl ight modification to the Van's battery tray in the kit and dual Oddessy's f it perfectly.=C2- I also added a second master solenoid.=C2- One for 12 volts and the other for 24.=C2- My engine is currently set up for 12 vol ts (its out of a Maule) so I will need to swap out the starter and alternat or. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System mo.com> Are there any RV-10s that are running on a 24 volt electrical system? Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:51 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System From: "Robin Marks" SW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgaWRlYSAoZHVhbCAxMi8yNCkgSSB3aXNoIEkgaGFkIGNvbnNpZGVyZWQgaXQg ZHVyaW5nIG15IGJ1aWxkLiBUaGUgRzkwMFggY2FuIGJlIHNldCB1cCBmb3IgMTJWIGJ1dCB0aGUg ZHVhbCAxOFcgQ09NTeKAmXMgcmVxdWlyZSAyNFYgc28gd2l0aG91dCBrbm93aW5nIG9mIGFub3Ro ZXIgb3B0aW9uIEkgaGFkIHRvIGJ1eSB0d28gVmVyeSBIZWF2eSBhbmQgVmVyeSBFeHBlbnNpdmUg dXAgY29udmVydGVycy4gSSBoYXRlZCBhZGRpbmcgdGhhdCBleHRyYSB3ZWlnaHQgJiBidWxrIHRv IG15IHBsYW5lLiBJIGRvIGhvd2V2ZXIgbGlrZSB0aGUgcG93ZXIgJiBjbGFyaXR5IG9mIHRoZSBH YXJtaW4gMThXIGNvbW1zLg0KDQogDQoNClJvYmluDQoNCiANCg0KIA0KDQpGcm9tOiBvd25lci1y djEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gW21haWx0bzpvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2Vy dmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21dIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBkYXZpZHNvdXRwb3N0QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 DQpTZW50OiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIE1hcmNoIDExLCAyMDA5IDY6MDIgQU0NClRvOiBydjEwLWxpc3RA bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogMjQgVm9sdCBFbGVjdHJpY2Fs IFN5c3RlbQ0KDQogDQoNCkkgd2lsbCBiZSBydW5uaW5nIGR1YWwgT2RkZXNzeSBiYXR0ZXJpZXMg Zm9yIGJvdGggMTIgYW5kIDI0IHZvbHRzIGluIG15IDEwLiAgU2FtZSB0aGluZyBJIGRpZCBvbiB0 aGUgQ296eSBNS0lWLiAgSSB3YW50IDI0ViBjcmFua2luZyB0aGUgZW5naW5lIGFuZCB0aGVuIGhh dmUgdGhlIGZsZXhpYmlsaXR5IHRvIG1peCAxMi8yNCB2b2x0IGFzIG5lZWRlZC4gIFdpdGggdGhl IGJhdHRlcmllcyB3aXJlZCB0b2dldGhlciwgSSB0YXBwZWQgdGhlIGJ1c3MgYmFyIHRoYXQgY29u bmVjdHMgdGhlbSBmb3IgbXkgMTJWIHN1cHBseS4gIFNvbWUgc3RhdGUgdGhhdCBvbmUgb2YgdGhl IGJhdHRlcmllcyB3aWxsIGRyYWluIGZpcnN0IGFuZCB0aGUgb3RoZXIgd2lsbCBiZWNvbWUgYSBk b25uZXIgYmF0dGVyeSwga2lsbGluZyB0aGUgYmF0dGVyeSBpbiBzaG9ydCBvcmRlci4gIEhhcyBu b3QgaGFwcGVuZWQgeWV0IGluIHRoZSBDb3p5LiAgVGhlcmUgaXMgYSBiYXR0ZXJ5IGVxdWFsaXpl ciB0aGF0IHdpbGwgc29sdmUgdGhlIHByb2JsZW0gYnV0IGl0IGNvc3RzIGFib3V0ICQyNzUgdGhh dCB3aWxsIHByZXZlbnQgdGhpcy4gLiAgT25lIGd1eSBqdXN0IGZsaXAtZmxvcHMgaGlzIGJhdHRl cmllcyBhdCBldmVyeSBvaWwgY2hhbmdlIGFuZCBzdGF0ZXMgaGUgbmV2ZXIgaGFzIGhhZCBhbnkg cHJvYmxlbXMuICBJIG1hZGUgYSB2ZXJ5IHNsaWdodCBtb2RpZmljYXRpb24gdG8gdGhlIFZhbidz IGJhdHRlcnkgdHJheSBpbiB0aGUga2l0IGFuZCBkdWFsIE9kZGVzc3kncyBmaXQgcGVyZmVjdGx5 LiAgSSBhbHNvIGFkZGVkIGEgc2Vjb25kIG1hc3RlciBzb2xlbm9pZC4gIE9uZSBmb3IgMTIgdm9s dHMgYW5kIHRoZSBvdGhlciBmb3IgMjQuICBNeSBlbmdpbmUgaXMgY3VycmVudGx5IHNldCB1cCBm b3IgMTIgdm9sdHMgKGl0cyBvdXQgb2YgYSBNYXVsZSkgc28gSSB3aWxsIG5lZWQgdG8gc3dhcCBv dXQgdGhlIHN0YXJ0ZXIgYW5kIGFsdGVybmF0b3IuDQoNCiANCiANCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAg ICAgLSBUaGUgUlYxMC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2UgdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBM aXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxp dGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYg RG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBt dWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9O YXZpZ2F0b3I/UlYxMC1MaXN0DQpfLT0NCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIE1BVFJP TklDUyBXRUIgRk9SVU1TIC0NCl8tPSBTYW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUg dmlhIHRoZSBXZWIgRm9ydW1zIQ0KXy09DQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tDQpfLT0NCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBX ZWIgU2l0ZSAtDQpfLT0gIFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBnZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0IQ0KXy09 ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0IEFkbWluLg0K Xy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCl8tPT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQog DQo ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Remembrance of Mark Ritter From: "John Cox" Today is the One year anniversary of Mark Ritter's "Gone West" flight. Mark was a valued contributor on this list and we shared several memorable discussions "offline" over the months and years. Attached is a picture of Mark's Scheme Designer paint job. Each loss to our group is a painful one, but I reflect on the valued lesson Mark left behind for me. Friends share observations with friends. As a retired Pilot Examiner, I without fail would include an Oral question for both Private and Commercial applicants from FAR 61.53 and often would query the use of "Over the Counter" medications. Years later the FAA expanded our responsibility to include a Task from the Area of Operations in the PTS, of Preflight Preparation. I would always delve into Aeromedical Factors. Applicants knew they would be getting questions on the recognition and remediation on hypoxia and hyperventilation. Sometimes a distracter to induce potential vertigo would be included. Today, in the Air Carrier Maintenance arena - Human Factors are the big FAA push. Fatigue/Distractions/Complacency/the list goes on to make up the Dirty Dozen. Mark was not my first friend to be lost to potential medical issues. Another pilot Bob McCann "Went West" making a similar solo flight in connection to that simple "Pilot's Pancake Breakfast" just an hour away. The Search and Rescue effort brought scores of pilots into the mix with the CAP (and a topic I won't go into here). We each benefit by our candid discussion with friends when we observe something out of the ordinary then do something more than silent observation. We each carry the financial cost of increased insurance rates after their passing. Let's all hope that Mark's passing is the beginning of a long and extended period of Safe Flights in the RV-10 that are devoid of medical issues. I remember an incident in A&P school where another friend, Alan Johnson (retired AF crew chief) seemed just a bit unusually stresses over our Bendix Pressure Carb Fuel Metering Class. I let Alan know repeatedly that he just did not look his Rosey self. Green and Grey with perspiration were not typical school colors. Alan reluctantly visited a doctor after class that day. Seems his smoking, drinking and sedentary lifestyle required an immediate quadruple bypass. Although Alan left that class and the program, the years have passed gently. Today Alan can be found on the ramp of airports in Arizona with his Canon capturing the aircraft he loves. Let's spend a minute, think of Mark and others who have passed and reflect on the value of sharing our observations. I don't have an answer for you on those who pilots who cognitively fly into bad weather or disregard clear and concise information to the contrary in attempting flight with known aircraft problems. May 2009... and Beyond continue the pattern... and that Mark be our last loss. I know we're are all one day closer. <> John Cox #600 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers From: "John Cox" Here are the shots I promised. One is a range of cheapo tools, another is a modified Canon Plug pliers, another is the use of the ole busted hacksaw blade. They should be self explanatory. They are designed to work in Tight spaces to which the really cool $86 pair will not fit. The blade is grooved with a 3" Harbor Freight cutoff wheel to accept 6,8 or 10-32 Adel Screws and MS attachment nuts. Your fingertips will love you. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers No. However a simple piece of hacksaw blade and your pencil grinder can make an Adel lock tool which is easy to install, easy to remove and just plain slick. Discarded Medical Forceps work on the cheap. If you are doing triple stacked or quad stacked Adels for a living then maybe the tool will prove itself. John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of johngoodman Sent: Fri 3/6/2009 11:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Adel Pliers Has anybody tried out these Adel Clamp Pliers from Wicks? If so, are they worth the money? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233494#233494 http://www.matronic - -> http://forums.matronics.com p; - List Contribution bsp; -Matt Dralle, List href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =============== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:19 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Aviation Consumer From: "BrianNC" Here is a quote from an Aviation Consumer article reprinted at Avweb: As far as we're concerned, the data that indicates that correctly executed lean-of-peak operation both saves fuel and lowers EGTs and CHTs IS INARGUABLE, and people who claim otherwise don't know what they're talking about. We can't make it any plainer than this. http://www.avweb.com/news/airman/are_you_wasting_avgas_196816-1.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234234#234234 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:25 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 24 Volt Electrical System From: "johngoodman" David, I assume you are using two PC680s? davidsoutpost(at)comcast. wrote: > I will be running dual Oddessy batteries for both 12 and 24 volts in my 10. Same thing I did on the Cozy MKIV. I want 24V cranking the engine and then have the flexibility to mix 12/24 volt as needed. With the batteries wired together, I tapped the buss bar that connects them for my 12V supply. Some state that one of the batteries will drain first and the other will become a donner battery, killing the battery in short order. Has not happened yet in the Cozy. There is a battery equalizer that will solve the problem but it costs about $275 that will prevent this. . One guy just flip-flops his batteries at every oil change and states he never has had any problems. I made a very slight modification to the Van's battery tray in the kit and dual Oddessy's fit perfectly. I also added a second master solenoid. One for 12 volts and the other for 24. My engine is currently set up for 12 volts (its out of a Maule) so I will need to swap out the starter and alternator. > > --- -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234237#234237 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:58 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I actually bought a set of Adel Pliers at OSH a couple years ago and after a couple times using them I went back to the fly market/Harbor Freight hemostats and needle nose vise grips as shown in John's pix. Bob N442PM (flying) _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers Here are the shots I promised. One is a range of cheapo tools, another is a modified Canon Plug pliers, another is the use of the ole busted hacksaw blade. They should be self explanatory. They are designed to work in Tight spaces to which the really cool $86 pair will not fit. The blade is grooved with a 3" Harbor Freight cutoff wheel to accept 6,8 or 10-32 Adel Screws and MS attachment nuts. Your fingertips will love you. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers No. However a simple piece of hacksaw blade and your pencil grinder can make an Adel lock tool which is easy to install, easy to remove and just plain slick. Discarded Medical Forceps work on the cheap. If you are doing triple stacked or quad stacked Adels for a living then maybe the tool will prove itself. John Cox _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of johngoodman Sent: Fri 3/6/2009 11:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Adel Pliers Has anybody tried out these Adel Clamp Pliers from Wicks? If so, are they worth the money? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233494#233494 http://www.matronic - -> http://forums.matronics.com p; - List Contribution bsp; -Matt Dralle, List href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =============== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: More LOP From: "BrianNC" Here are a few more articles: Why does proper leaning procedure seem to be such a confusing subject for pilots when it's so darn easy? http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/savvy_aviator_59_egt_cht_and_leaning_198162-1.html Here's an amazing number: Merely by operating engines lean of peak, aircraft owners are saving themselves more than $30 million a year. That's a big number. Will Lycoming ever embrace the idea? http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsiderBlog_TheGreatLeaningWar_198048-1.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234241#234241 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System From: Mike Much Doesn't the 24V avionics cost more but do the same as 12V? I do not know? On 3/11/09, Robin Marks wrote: > Interesting idea (dual 12/24) I wish I had considered it during my build. > The G900X can be set up for 12V but the dual 18W COMMs require 24V so > without knowing of another option I had to buy two Very Heavy and Very > Expensive up converters. I hated adding that extra weight & bulk to my > plane. I do however like the power & clarity of the Garmin 18W comms. > > > Robin > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > davidsoutpost@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:02 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System > > > I will be running dual Oddessy batteries for both 12 and 24 volts in my 10. > Same thing I did on the Cozy MKIV. I want 24V cranking the engine and then > have the flexibility to mix 12/24 volt as needed. With the batteries wired > together, I tapped the buss bar that connects them for my 12V supply. Some > state that one of the batteries will drain first and the other will become a > donner battery, killing the battery in short order. Has not happened yet in > the Cozy. There is a battery equalizer that will solve the problem but it > costs about $275 that will prevent this. . One guy just flip-flops his > batteries at every oil change and states he never has had any problems. I > made a very slight modification to the Van's battery tray in the kit and > dual Oddessy's fit perfectly. I also added a second master solenoid. One > for 12 volts and the other for 24. My engine is currently set up for 12 > volts (its out of a Maule) so I will need to swap out the starter and > alternator. > > -- Sent from my mobile device ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:45 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: More LOP From: "BrianNC" This was supposed to be in reply in another thread but I started a topic by accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234243#234243 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:45 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aviation Consumer On LOP From: "BrianNC" This was supposed to be in reply in another thread but I started a topic by accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234242#234242 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) From: "BrianNC" Here is a quote from an Aviation Consumer article reprinted at Avweb: As far as we're concerned, the data that indicates that correctly executed lean-of-peak operation both saves fuel and lowers EGTs and CHTs IS INARGUABLE, and people who claim otherwise don't know what they're talking about. We can't make it any plainer than this. http://www.avweb.com/news/airman/are_you_wasting_avgas_196816-1.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234246#234246 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) From: "BrianNC" Here are a few more articles: Why does proper leaning procedure seem to be such a confusing subject for pilots when it's so darn easy? http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/savvy_aviator_59_egt_cht_and_leaning_198162-1.html Here's an amazing number: Merely by operating engines lean of peak, aircraft owners are saving themselves more than $30 million a year. That's a big number. Will Lycoming ever embrace the idea? http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsiderBlog_TheGreatLeaningWar_198048-1.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234247#234247 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:39 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) From: "BrianNC" And here are 3 articles from John Deakin of Advanced Pilot Seminars. Where Should I Run My Engine? (Part 1) http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182179-1.html Where Should I Run My Engine? (Part 2 The Climb) http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182176-1.html Where Should I Run My Engine? (Part 3 -- Cruise) http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182583-1.html Where Should I Run My Engine? (Part 4 -- Descent) http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/183094-1.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234249#234249 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) From: "BrianNC" Here is a Power Point from APS describing leaning procedures. If you have Power Point it will open up in it. If not, Google Power Point Viewer and you can find a file from Microsoft that will let you view it. And no, I don't work for APS. Just trying to bust the myth that LOP is bad. http://www.avweb.com/other/Leaning.pps Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234253#234253 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Advance pilot seminar (lean of peak) From: "BrianNC" And a related article: Pelican's Perch #84: Don't Set Mixture with CHT http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/pelicans_perch_84_mixture_cht_194816-1.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234254#234254 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:10 PM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 24 Volt Electrical System Yes,,,dual 680's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "johngoodman" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:04:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RV10-List: Re: 24 Volt Electrical System David, I assume you are using two PC680s? davidsoutpost(at)comcast. wrote: > I will be running dual Oddessy batteries for both 12 and 24 volts in my 1 0.=C3=AF=C2=C2=BD Same thing I did on the Cozy MKIV. =C2-I want 24V cr anking the engine and then have the flexibility to mix 12/24 volt as needed . =C2-With the batteries wired together, I tapped the buss bar that conne cts them for my 12V supply. =C2-Some state that one of the batteries will drain first and the other will become a donner battery, killing the batter y in short order. =C2-Has not happened yet in the Cozy. =C2-There is a battery equalizer that will solve the problem but it costs about $275 that will prevent this. . =C2-One guy just flip-flops his batteries at every o il change and states he never has had any problems. =C2-I made a very sli ght modification to the Van's battery tray in the kit and dual Oddessy's fi t perfectly. =C2-I also added a second master solenoid. =C2-One for 12 volts and the other for 24. =C2-My engine is currently set up for 12 volt s (its out of a Maule) so I will need to swap out the starter and alternato r. > > --- -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234237#234237 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:16 PM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System I am not sure either but if there is a difference, I think that it would be small,,,,certainly not enough to change=C2- my plans.=C2-=C2- This w ill give=C2-me a lot of flexibility in my electrical system.=C2- Worked great in the Cozy and no messing with=C2-voltage converters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Much" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:13:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System Doesn't the 24V avionics cost more but do the same as 12V? I do not know? On 3/11/09, Robin Marks wrote: > Interesting idea (dual 12/24) I wish I had considered it during my build. > The G900X can be set up for 12V but the dual 18W COMM=99s require 2 4V so > without knowing of another option I had to buy two Very Heavy and Very > Expensive up converters. I hated adding that extra weight & bulk to my > plane. I do however like the power & clarity of the Garmin 18W comms. > > > > Robin > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > davidsoutpost@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:02 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: 24 Volt Electrical System > > > > I will be running dual Oddessy batteries for both 12 and 24 volts in my 1 0. > Same thing I did on the Cozy MKIV. =C2-I want 24V cranking the engine a nd then > have the flexibility to mix 12/24 volt as needed. =C2-With the batterie s wired > together, I tapped the buss bar that connects them for my 12V supply. =C2 -Some > state that one of the batteries will drain first and the other will becom e a > donner battery, killing the battery in short order. =C2-Has not happene d yet in > the Cozy. =C2-There is a battery equalizer that will solve the problem but it > costs about $275 that will prevent this. . =C2-One guy just flip-flops his > batteries at every oil change and states he never has had any problems. =C2-I > made a very slight modification to the Van's battery tray in the kit and > dual Oddessy's fit perfectly. =C2-I also added a second master solenoid . =C2-One > for 12 volts and the other for 24. =C2-My engine is currently set up fo r 12 > volts (its out of a Maule) so I will need to swap out the starter and > alternator. > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:07 PM PST US From: "david b. jones" Subject: RV10-List: FW: Remembrance of Mark Ritter -----Original Message----- From: david b. jones [mailto:d.j.goneflyin@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: Remembrance of Mark Ritter Hello my fellow RV-10 owners, I looked for several years for a paint scheme for my RV-10. I thought well maybe I could take a partial design from several Airplanes that I liked and put something together. Mark Ritter put a picture of his RV-10 on the internet one time and I fell In love with his paint job. I called Mark and complimented him of a terrific paint scheme. My first question was would he give Me permission to copy it. Mark was very gracious and said OK. After having mine painted at GLO-Custom in North Dallas, I sent Mark Several pictures and he enjoyed seeing them . Mark was a class person and someone I will remember every time I open my hangar doors. People like Mark don't come along very often and I appreciated seeing him remembered. Sincerely, David Jones N331DJ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:01 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Top COMM antenna I honestly don't recall the length, but I ordered the "low drag" antenna for $7 from Vans (Bob Archer???). I followed the directions closely so it is whatever was specified. Best bang for the buck I've ever achieved with avionics! I've attached some pictures, there's not too much to it. Marcus 40286 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Top COMM antenna Marcus, How long is your tape? I did mine according to the instructions and it doesn't work well at all. I had a bunch of Ham radio guys come out and look at it - they put a meter on it and told me it is electrically too short for the frequencies I was trying to use. Thanks, Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Cooper" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Top COMM antenna > > Michael, > I wouldn't give up on the tape antenna just yet. I use one for my 2nd > comm radio and it works great. My bent whip on the bottom goes to the > primary radio, but I've had great luck with the tape and use it to talk to > ground control and Unicom radios without any issues. Plus it's the > cheapest > game in town by a long shot. I ran the comm cord up the cabin support > tube > and tie the shield to the mount screw and the center to the tape with one > piece of fiberglass to cover the tape and hold it in place. > > Marcus > Just rolled over 400 hours. > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Wellenzohn > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:03 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Top COMM antenna > > > > Hi guys, > > I want to mount a com antenna on top. > The tape comm antenna I understand is not an option for the -10. > > Now COMMANT has a veriation of models: > Which one can you suggest? > > http://www.comant.com/showproduct.aspx?CN=44&SCN=59 > > Looking forward for your thoughts. > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234006#234006 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:18 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers Bob, Where we you when I started down this life of building 4 airplanes ago?! Great pictures, nothing beats a simple/cheap approach. I'll certainly use these a lot on my next project. Thanks, Marcus From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers I actually bought a set of Adel Pliers at OSH a couple years ago and after a couple times using them I went back to the fly market/Harbor Freight hemostats and needle nose vise grips as shown in John's pix. Bob N442PM (flying) _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers Here are the shots I promised. One is a range of cheapo tools, another is a modified Canon Plug pliers, another is the use of the ole busted hacksaw blade. They should be self explanatory. They are designed to work in Tight spaces to which the really cool $86 pair will not fit. The blade is grooved with a 3" Harbor Freight cutoff wheel to accept 6,8 or 10-32 Adel Screws and MS attachment nuts. Your fingertips will love you. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Adel Pliers No. However a simple piece of hacksaw blade and your pencil grinder can make an Adel lock tool which is easy to install, easy to remove and just plain slick. Discarded Medical Forceps work on the cheap. If you are doing triple stacked or quad stacked Adels for a living then maybe the tool will prove itself. John Cox _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of johngoodman Sent: Fri 3/6/2009 11:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Adel Pliers Has anybody tried out these Adel Clamp Pliers from Wicks? If so, are they worth the money? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. 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