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1. 12:34 AM - Quick Build Factory (rbliss1015@aol.com)
2. 06:14 AM - Re: Quick Build Factory (jim@CombsFive.Com)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: 3 degree reflex (hsdexo)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube (Bob and Karen Brown)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Quick Build Factory (Perry, Phil)
6. 10:49 AM - Tailcone Question (Strasnuts)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Quick Build Factory (John Gonzalez)
8. 11:09 AM - Re: Quick Build Factory (John Cumins)
9. 11:14 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (Tim Olson)
10. 11:28 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (Perry, Phil)
11. 11:35 AM - Re: Quick Build Factory (Perry, Phil)
12. 11:40 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (Seano)
13. 11:49 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (John Cumins)
14. 11:49 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (Rene Felker)
15. 11:55 AM - IO-540 for sale (Paul Grimstad)
16. 11:58 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (Kent Ogden)
17. 12:31 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (johngoodman)
18. 12:48 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (David Maib)
19. 01:55 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (Kent Ogden)
20. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Tailcone Question (Steve Mills)
21. 02:50 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (Bob and Karen Brown)
22. 03:12 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (Perry, Phil)
23. 03:20 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
24. 03:20 PM - Re: Quick Build Factory (doctornigel)
25. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Quick Build Factory (Kelly McMullen)
26. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Tailcone Question (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
27. 05:51 PM - Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube (Jeff Carpenter)
28. 06:31 PM - Re: Tailcone Question (Jim Berry)
29. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Tailcone Question (Bob and Karen Brown)
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| Subject: | Quick Build Factory |
To Anyone,
I often frequent Manila, Philippines usually once a month and generally have a
two day layover there before returning to Tokyo. My time is free during those
days (already done about every tour you can do).
My question is, has anyone had the opportunity to visit the Quick Build factory?
I understand they have moved to a new location and are up and running. How far
is it from Makati City? (suburb of Manila). Transportation shouldn't be an
issue, you can hire a cab for the day pretty cheap here.
I am nearing the completion of my tail section and have the wings on saw horses.
It is my intent to order the Quick Build fuselage but I was wanting to visit
the factory.
I have been given a contact email of an employee there in Manila, but as of yet
he hasn't responded to any of my emails/requests.
Fly safe,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build Factory |
Last I knew, it was a company called Bonanza Manufacturing or something
like that. I think they make stuff for other companies besides
Vans. I travel to the Philippines as well but never been to
Manila. For a while they had a web site with pictures and it had
lots of Vans info on it. It disappeared off the Internet.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying (Dang this is FUN!) Makes the
4 years and 8 months of building worth it!
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To Anyone,
I often frequent Manila, Philippines usually once
a month and generally
have a two day layover there before returning
to Tokyo. My time is free
during those days (already done about every
tour you can do).
My question is, has anyone had the
opportunity to visit the Quick Build
factory? I understand they have
moved to a new location and are up and
running. How far is it from
Makati City? (suburb of Manila).
Transportation shouldn't be an
issue, you can hire a cab for the day
pretty cheap here.
I
am nearing the completion of my tail section and have the wings on saw
horses. It is my intent to order the Quick Build fuselage but I was
wanting to visit the factory.
I have been given a contact
email of an employee there in Manila, but as
of yet he hasn't
responded to any of my emails/requests.
Fly safe,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: 3 degree reflex |
Thanks guys for the help. [Laughing]
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| Subject: | Fun with Andair valve and scat tube |
That might be what I end up doing Deems...it looks like it'll work. I've
got some upcoming spinal surgery in April...so a little fiberglass project
might just keep my head in the game...
I was thinking more of a one tube to two tube contraption...the idea being
to maintain airflow volume, but still minimize the scat size (sounds like a
wildcat hunting expedition...)...I'll let you fly a little in cold weather
and let me know how much heat you get in the back before I move forward with
my little fiberglass project, that means (you'll have to get those 40 hrs
flown off and) come up here to Oregon this month!!!
I'll buy you and Ed Hayden lunch here in Independence and show you our -10
project...and of course, (it goes without saying here in Independence, 7S5);
you've always got a free place to stay, a car (and/or bicycle or motorcycle)
to drive, and we can find you a hangar for the night.
THANKS for the photolinks. That's exactly what I was looking for...visual
ideas.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
you mean like this? :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC07074.html
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC07075.html
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC07076.html
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....finally!!!!!
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> Looks like you've got more room than I do, I planned to make a
> fiberglass plenum going from one 2" scat to two 1" scat, then another
> plenum back into 2" on the aft side of the spar.for sure it would be
> more work, but I wasn't smart enough to turn one of the Andair
> fittings 90 degrees.mine are both vertical so I have less room to work
> with unless I go back in and totally replumb.
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kochman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:37 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>
> I got creative with my fuel line rounting to leave some space under
> the valve to run the scat tube. See the picture here:
>
> http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_5098.jpg
>
> My intent is to run the scat tube by the valve under the valve and
> rudder cable on the right side (left when looking at the picture). I
> will likely wrap the scat tube in the heat reflective material to
> minimize heat around the fuel lines. Note: the fuel line from the
> valve to filter is not shown in the picture, but goes straight down
> and thus should not interfere.
>
> Anyone see a problem with this? Thanks...
>
> -Rob
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Wings
> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Quick Build Factory |
Bonanza Metalcrafters went out of business and now Vans is holding the
bag with several QB kit orders that they can't deliver.
The owners of Bonanza started a new company in a new location. They're
really in a pinch because the new location won't allow many of the old
(trained) workers aren't able to make it to he new factory.
Talking with Vans, they say they're getting smaller airplane kits
(6,7,8's etc). But they are not building 10 kits. They haven't been
for many months (probably Nov).
I ordered a QB kit in Dec and Vans still can't provide a delivery date
because the factory isn't turning out any -10s. Even a best case
scenario would put a QB fuse in my hands in May/June but it will
probably be longer. Not to mention my kit will be put together by
inexperienced builders. YIKES!
I've talked to a few other builders who have been waiting on QB -10
parts since Aug.
Van's is really in a pinch right now but in typical Vans fashion,
they've refused to publicly comment or acknowledge the issue.
Phil
________________________________
From: jim@CombsFive.Com [mailto:jim@CombsFive.Com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
Last I knew, it was a company called Bonanza Manufacturing or something
like that. I think they make stuff for other companies besides Vans. I
travel to the Philippines as well but never been to Manila. For a while
they had a web site with pictures and it had lots of Vans info on it.
It disappeared off the Internet.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying (Dang this is FUN!) Makes the 4 years and 8 months of
building worth it!
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To Anyone,
I often frequent Manila, Philippines usually once a month and generally
have a two day layover there before returning to Tokyo. My time is free
during those days (already done about every tour you can do).
My question is, has anyone had the opportunity to visit the Quick Build
factory? I understand they have moved to a new location and are up and
running. How far is it from Makati City? (suburb of Manila).
Transportation shouldn't be an issue, you can hire a cab for the day
pretty cheap here.
I am nearing the completion of my tail section and have the wings on saw
horses. It is my intent to order the Quick Build fuselage but I was
wanting to visit the factory.
I have been given a contact email of an employee there in Manila, but as
of yet he hasn't responded to any of my emails/requests.
Fly safe,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Tailcone Question |
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start riveting
one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that even a word?) the
other side skin in place. It seems like I can but should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Quick Build Factory |
Look at the bright side=2C maybe you won't spend money you thought you had.
Hopefully you can keep building on other parts.
I am optimistic that economically things will be turning around=2C but layi
ng out all your money and fornunately having the items to show for it=2C is
comforting in one way=2C but when the account is near zero and taxes=2C ta
xes due because of underpayments and first quarterly are due in addition to
anything going into the 401 for '08=2C along with all the econimic uncerta
inty....it is not that comfoirtable a place to be in either.
Look at the bright side!!
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
Bonanza Metalcrafters went out of business and now Vans is holding the bag
with several QB kit orders that they can't deliver.
The owners of Bonanza started a new company in a new location. They're rea
lly in a pinch because the new location won't allow many of the old (traine
d) workers aren't able to make it to he new factory.
Talking with Vans=2C they say they're getting smaller airplane kits (6=2C7
=2C8's etc). But they are not building 10 kits. They haven't been for man
y months (probably Nov).
I ordered a QB kit in Dec and Vans still can't provide a delivery date beca
use the factory isn't turning out any -10s. Even a best case scenario woul
d put a QB fuse in my hands in May/June but it will probably be longer. No
t to mention my kit will be put together by inexperienced builders. YIKES!
I've talked to a few other builders who have been waiting on QB -10 parts s
ince Aug.
Van's is really in a pinch right now but in typical Vans fashion=2C they've
refused to publicly comment or acknowledge the issue.
Phil
From: jim@CombsFive.Com [mailto:jim@CombsFive.Com]
Sent: Wednesday=2C March 18=2C 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
Last I knew=2C it was a company called Bonanza Manufacturing or something l
ike that. I think they make stuff for other companies besides Vans. I tra
vel to the Philippines as well but never been to Manila. For a while they
had a web site with pictures and it had lots of Vans info on it. It disapp
eared off the Internet.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying (Dang this is FUN!) Makes the 4 years and 8 months of build
ing worth it!
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To Anyone=2C
I often frequent Manila=2C Philippines usually once a month and generally
have a two day layover there before returning to Tokyo. My time is free
during those days (already done about every tour you can do).
My question is=2C has anyone had the opportunity to visit the Quick Build
factory? I understand they have moved to a new location and are up and
running. How far is it from Makati City? (suburb of Manila).
Transportation shouldn't be an issue=2C you can hire a cab for the day
pretty cheap here.
I am nearing the completion of my tail section and have the wings on saw
horses. It is my intent to order the Quick Build fuselage but I was
wanting to visit the factory.
I have been given a contact email of an employee there in Manila=2C but as
of yet he hasn't responded to any of my emails/requests.
Fly safe=2C
Rusty
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| Subject: | Quick Build Factory |
Sounds to me I made the right decision not to go QB. The lead time for
all kits accept the EMP kit of the -10 is 60 days according to Vans af os 2
weeks ago when I went and visited the factory in Auora.
I have to say Vans is a very informative and pleasant company to work with
and I very much enjoyed the visit very much, and the best part was when Rob
took me for a flight in the 10. Man I was impressed, and am VERY glad I
decided to build a 10.
On another note. I visited Advanced Flight Systems just 4 miles east of
Vans. They greeted me with open arms. I was able to spend as much time as
I could remembering questions about there product. There engineer walked me
thru the entire system, how they integrate to each other and how the
integrate to the AP and other gps, IE Garmans, As of now I am sold on there
product like and will also still review all products out there but I
personally believe the AFS product is the front runner for the -10 series.
That's my 2 cents worth.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
Bonanza Metalcrafters went out of business and now Vans is holding the bag
with several QB kit orders that they can't deliver.
The owners of Bonanza started a new company in a new location. They're
really in a pinch because the new location won't allow many of the old
(trained) workers aren't able to make it to he new factory.
Talking with Vans, they say they're getting smaller airplane kits (6,7,8's
etc). But they are not building 10 kits. They haven't been for many months
(probably Nov).
I ordered a QB kit in Dec and Vans still can't provide a delivery date
because the factory isn't turning out any -10s. Even a best case scenario
would put a QB fuse in my hands in May/June but it will probably be longer.
Not to mention my kit will be put together by inexperienced builders.
YIKES!
I've talked to a few other builders who have been waiting on QB -10 parts
since Aug.
Van's is really in a pinch right now but in typical Vans fashion, they've
refused to publicly comment or acknowledge the issue.
Phil
_____
From: jim@CombsFive.Com [mailto:jim@CombsFive.Com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
Last I knew, it was a company called Bonanza Manufacturing or something like
that. I think they make stuff for other companies besides Vans. I travel
to the Philippines as well but never been to Manila. For a while they had a
web site with pictures and it had lots of Vans info on it. It disappeared
off the Internet.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying (Dang this is FUN!) Makes the 4 years and 8 months of
building worth it!
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To Anyone,
I often frequent Manila, Philippines usually once a month and generally
have a two day layover there before returning to Tokyo. My time is free
during those days (already done about every tour you can do).
My question is, has anyone had the opportunity to visit the Quick Build
factory? I understand they have moved to a new location and are up and
running. How far is it from Makati City? (suburb of Manila).
Transportation shouldn't be an issue, you can hire a cab for the day
pretty cheap here.
I am nearing the completion of my tail section and have the wings on saw
horses. It is my intent to order the Quick Build fuselage but I was
wanting to visit the factory.
I have been given a contact email of an employee there in Manila, but as
of yet he hasn't responded to any of my emails/requests.
Fly safe,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
It would probably work, but you may want to at least put some clecos in
on the other side and help ensure that all the parts are in alignment
so everything ends up straight. With the matched hole system though
I bet it would come out ok.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Strasnuts wrote:
>
> I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start riveting
one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that even a word?)
the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but should I?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> A&P, ATP
> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
> RV-10 emp started!!!!
> N801VR reserved
>
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| Subject: | Tailcone Question |
I clecoed all of mine together, but left a space for the saw horses all
the way around.
This way I could sit the tailcone on the saw horses and roll it
side-to-side so I could get access to the required area.
You may be asking because you don't have a rivet partner and you're
trying to shoot and buck at the same time. I managed to get a highly
unskilled helper in my wife. She dropped the rivets in the hole and
held them (flush side) in position with a bucking bar. I shot them from
the backside with a back-rivet set. Looks great and she didn't have to
develop any skills shooting or bucking.
Phil
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From: Strasnuts [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that
even a word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but
should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Quick Build Factory |
Yeah, I did just that John...... Lemonade out of Lemons.
When Vans said they can't provide a kit, I told them that I'd rather do
something else with the money.
The lady I talked to said, "No Problem".
So I took the money and put it against a car loan to reduce our monthly
commitments - just in case my job goes south.
When Vans starts shipping kits again, she's going to call and we'll
setup delivery and payment.
I wish I had something to work on, but the tailcone is completely done
so I'm just sitting around. I have a buddy who's finishing his tailcone
and I have been helping him out a bit. It keeps my mind active, but the
airplane isn't making any progress.
However, given the state of the economy I feel lucky to have some time
and extra money to clean house a bit more. :)
Phil
________________________________
From: John Gonzalez [mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
Look at the bright side, maybe you won't spend money you thought you
had. Hopefully you can keep building on other parts.
I am optimistic that economically things will be turning around, but
laying out all your money and fornunately having the items to show for
it, is comforting in one way, but when the account is near zero and
taxes, taxes due because of underpayments and first quarterly are due in
addition to anything going into the 401 for '08, along with all the
econimic uncertainty....it is not that comfoirtable a place to be in
either.
Look at the bright side!!
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
Bonanza Metalcrafters went out of business and now Vans is holding the
bag with several QB kit orders that they can't deliver.
The owners of Bonanza started a new company in a new location. They're
really in a pinch because the new location won't allow many of the old
(trained) workers aren't able to make it to he new factory.
Talking with Vans, they say they're getting smaller airplane kits
(6,7,8's etc). But they are not building 10 kits. They haven't been
for many months (probably Nov).
I ordered a QB kit in Dec and Vans still can't provide a delivery date
because the factory isn't turning out any -10s. Even a best case
scenario would put a QB fuse in my hands in May/June but it will
probably be longer. Not to mention my kit will be put together by
inexperienced builders. YIKES!
I've talked to a few other builders who have been waiting on QB -10
parts since Aug.
Van's is really in a pinch right now but in typical Vans fashion,
they've refused to publicly comment or acknowledge the issue.
Phil
________________________________
From: jim@CombsFive.Com [mailto:jim@CombsFive.Com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Build Factory
Last I knew, it was a company called Bonanza Manufacturing or something
like that. I think they make stuff for other companies besides Vans. I
travel to the Philippines as well but never been to Manila. For a while
they had a web site with pictures and it had lots of Vans info on it.
It disappeared off the Internet.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying (Dang this is FUN!) Makes the 4 years and 8 months of
building worth it!
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To Anyone,
I often frequent Manila, Philippines usually once a month and generally
have a two day layover there before returning to Tokyo. My time is free
during those days (already done about every tour you can do).
My question is, has anyone had the opportunity to visit the Quick Build
factory? I understand they have moved to a new location and are up and
running. How far is it from Makati City? (suburb of Manila).
Transportation shouldn't be an issue, you can hire a cab for the day
pretty cheap here.
I am nearing the completion of my tail section and have the wings on saw
horses. It is my intent to order the Quick Build fuselage but I was
wanting to visit the factory.
I have been given a contact email of an employee there in Manila, but as
of yet he hasn't responded to any of my emails/requests.
Fly safe,
Rusty
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Thanks for the quick reply,
I have done 99.9% of the build on my own so far. My wife is making most of
the money so I will get a cheaper helper
It's getting to the point where I NEED some more hands!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
>
> I clecoed all of mine together, but left a space for the saw horses all
> the way around.
>
> This way I could sit the tailcone on the saw horses and roll it
> side-to-side so I could get access to the required area.
>
> You may be asking because you don't have a rivet partner and you're
> trying to shoot and buck at the same time. I managed to get a highly
> unskilled helper in my wife. She dropped the rivets in the hole and
> held them (flush side) in position with a bucking bar. I shot them from
> the backside with a back-rivet set. Looks great and she didn't have to
> develop any skills shooting or bucking.
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Strasnuts [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
>
>
> I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
> riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that
> even a word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but
> should I?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> A&P, ATP
> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
> RV-10 emp started!!!!
> N801VR reserved
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235111#235111
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Phil
Thanks for letting us know that trick. I am sure my wife can do the same
thing, I also have a very large flat steel plate that I use for back
riveting and it works great I am sure it will work for this.
Thanks again.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
I clecoed all of mine together, but left a space for the saw horses all
the way around.
This way I could sit the tailcone on the saw horses and roll it
side-to-side so I could get access to the required area.
You may be asking because you don't have a rivet partner and you're
trying to shoot and buck at the same time. I managed to get a highly
unskilled helper in my wife. She dropped the rivets in the hole and
held them (flush side) in position with a bucking bar. I shot them from
the backside with a back-rivet set. Looks great and she didn't have to
develop any skills shooting or bucking.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Strasnuts [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that
even a word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but
should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Tailcone Question |
I did a lot of my tail cone by myself. I made small back rivet table
(stacked boards) and left as many clecos in as possible and then just stuck
my head in and started riveting. As you start filling rivet holes it gets
easier since you don't have as many clecos in to get in the way (hitting the
table).
I left both side skins on in fear that I would get the bulkheads out of line
somehow.....
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
I clecoed all of mine together, but left a space for the saw horses all
the way around.
This way I could sit the tailcone on the saw horses and roll it
side-to-side so I could get access to the required area.
You may be asking because you don't have a rivet partner and you're
trying to shoot and buck at the same time. I managed to get a highly
unskilled helper in my wife. She dropped the rivets in the hole and
held them (flush side) in position with a bucking bar. I shot them from
the backside with a back-rivet set. Looks great and she didn't have to
develop any skills shooting or bucking.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Strasnuts [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that
even a word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but
should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
Having just been there and done that, I didn't have both side skins on while
riveting and everything came out fine. I think the plans start you on the
bottom skin IIRC and you really have to have the frames in place with the
stiffeners, you won't be able to easily get the frames over the stiffeners
once riveted.
I put my clecoes on the inside of the skins and did as many rivets as
possible by back riveting. This worked great, just be sure there is no gap
between the stiffener and skin and that you're solid on the back riveting
plate.
Once the top skins go on, it really helps to have a ten year old (or petite
spouse) to sit inside and buck rivets for you. Someone else mentioned this
a while ago and offered their ten year old for rent, luckily I had one
available!
Hope this helps.
Kent
#40710 waiting for wing kit
>>> "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com> 3/18/2009 1:43 PM >>>
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that even a
word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
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I'd really like to get one of those ten year olds - how much do they cost?
In a more serious vein, this is a good time to think about a couple of Adel Clamp
mounts in the aft tailcone area while it's easy to get to it. Even if you run
conduit back there, you'll need some way to hold the conduit in place - Adel
Clamps.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
That is exactly how Mary and I did ours. Worked fantastic and looks
great.
David Maib
40559
On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
I clecoed all of mine together, but left a space for the saw horses all
the way around.
This way I could sit the tailcone on the saw horses and roll it
side-to-side so I could get access to the required area.
You may be asking because you don't have a rivet partner and you're
trying to shoot and buck at the same time. I managed to get a highly
unskilled helper in my wife. She dropped the rivets in the hole and
held them (flush side) in position with a bucking bar. I shot them from
the backside with a back-rivet set. Looks great and she didn't have to
develop any skills shooting or bucking.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Strasnuts [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that
even a word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but
should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
This is an outstanding suggestion, and one which I wish I had thought about
before finishing the tailcone. Still won't be too hard to do before the
tailcone is mounted to the fuse. I wish Van's had put some suggestions in
the plans for doing this. You need some wires for the lights, plus the
elevator trim at a minimum, is there anything else (magnetometer etc) that
might go back there? Looking at some builders sites (Deem's comes to mind)
I found some pictures of what they did that gave me some ideas, but I like
the conduit idea best as it should provide the best protection for the
wire.
On a related note, I wonder if anyone has installed one of these integrated
position/strobes in the rudder:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/posistrobe.php (manufacturer
at http://www.aveoaviationlights.com/)
Looks pretty cool, no external HV power supply. Kind of expensive though.
I looked at the drawings for the light and measured the flat spot on the
rudder fairing, the light is exactly the right size. Maybe that's standard
for these lights (e.g. the same as the A625 light that Van's sells)?
Kent Ogden
#40710 Waiting for wing kit
>>> "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net> 3/18/2009 3:28 PM >>>
I'd really like to get one of those ten year olds - how much do they cost?
In a more serious vein, this is a good time to think about a couple of Adel
Clamp mounts in the aft tailcone area while it's easy to get to it. Even if
you run conduit back there, you'll need some way to hold the conduit in
place - Adel Clamps.
John
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
I built a shelf for my magnetometer, about 1/2 way back in the tailcone
(see
picture), and it would of been lots easier to do while building the
tailcone. Simply mount it on the top longeron, and it will be very
close to
level. You can the fine-tune the level and direction, when you install
the
magnetometer.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kent Ogden
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone Question
This is an outstanding suggestion, and one which I wish I had thought
about
before finishing the tailcone. Still won't be too hard to do before the
tailcone is mounted to the fuse. I wish Van's had put some suggestions
in
the plans for doing this. You need some wires for the lights, plus the
elevator trim at a minimum, is there anything else (magnetometer etc)
that
might go back there? Looking at some builders sites (Deem's comes to
mind)
I found some pictures of what they did that gave me some ideas, but I
like
the conduit idea best as it should provide the best protection for the
wire.
On a related note, I wonder if anyone has installed one of these
integrated
position/strobes in the rudder:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/posistrobe.php
(manufacturer
at http://www.aveoaviationlights.com/)
Looks pretty cool, no external HV power supply. Kind of expensive
though.
I looked at the drawings for the light and measured the flat spot on the
rudder fairing, the light is exactly the right size. Maybe that's
standard
for these lights (e.g. the same as the A625 light that Van's sells)?
Kent Ogden
#40710 Waiting for wing kit
>>> "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net> 3/18/2009 3:28 PM >>>
<johngoodman@earthlink.net>
I'd really like to get one of those ten year olds - how much do they
cost?
In a more serious vein, this is a good time to think about a couple of
Adel
Clamp mounts in the aft tailcone area while it's easy to get to it. Even
if
you run conduit back there, you'll need some way to hold the conduit in
place - Adel Clamps.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Tailcone Question |
We stood the cone on end, supported it high enough I could stand on a
stool. I stood inside (with hearing protection!) and a rivet gun, my
wife used a bucking bar to back rivet from the outside. Worked like a
champbut don=99t lose your balance!!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kent Ogden
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone Question
Having just been there and done that, I didn't have both side skins on
while riveting and everything came out fine. I think the plans start
you on the bottom skin IIRC and you really have to have the frames in
place with the stiffeners, you won't be able to easily get the frames
over the stiffeners once riveted.
I put my clecoes on the inside of the skins and did as many rivets as
possible by back riveting. This worked great, just be sure there is no
gap between the stiffener and skin and that you're solid on the back
riveting plate.
Once the top skins go on, it really helps to have a ten year old (or
petite spouse) to sit inside and buck rivets for you. Someone else
mentioned this a while ago and offered their ten year old for rent,
luckily I had one available!
Hope this helps.
Kent
#40710 waiting for wing kit
>>> "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com> 3/18/2009 1:43 PM >>>
I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start
riveting one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that
even a word?) the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but
should I?
Thanks
--------
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 emp started!!!!
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235111#235111
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
my 2 more cents.... I did as much of the riveting solo as possible. An
approx 1'x2'x3/8" back rivet plate made most of that possible. It was
all cleco'd together from the beginning
Some of the rivets in the top deck required some 2 person riveting.
Contrary to most, I found it easiest to teach my mate to operate the gun
when back riveting or flush riveting. The bar can be harder to handle
and definitely does the damage... and I want to be the one that does the
damage.
Strasnuts wrote:
>
> I am just starting to rivet the tailcone. I need to know if I can start riveting
one side skin and the bottom skin without clecoing (is that even a word?)
the other side skin in place. It seems like I can but should I?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> A&P, ATP
> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
> RV-10 emp started!!!!
> N801VR reserved
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build Factory |
I just called Vans and was told that they just moved the factory, and some law
required them to fire the workers and then rehire them, that the same company
and people are building the kits and that the end of April/beginning of may is
when I should get my kit. I wonder if I call another person if I'll get another
story? What is up, I hate to react to something without being able to check
it out, I certainly want my QB to be put together by someone who has as much
experience as able. Can someone findout for sure? I would go with Slo build
if there is a doubt and I could switch. If anyone else hears or calls please
post.
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build Factory |
I was given essentially the same story when I placed my QB order about
a month ago. However a few days earlier I was told July. It really
would be nice to have accurate info, just to plan other work.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM, doctornigel <nschultz3@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I just called Vans and was told that they just moved the factory, and some law
required them to fire the workers and then rehire them, that the same company
and people are building the kits and that the end of April/beginning of may
is when I should get my kit. I wonder if I call another person if I'll get another
story? What is up, I hate to react to something without being able to check
it out, I certainly want my QB to be put together by someone who has as much
experience as able. Can someone findout for sure? I would go with Slo build
if there is a doubt and I could switch. If anyone else hears or calls please post.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235157#235157
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
I too wish I had built a shelf for my dual magnetometers back then. I
built and discarded one I tried to build to hug the very top of the cone
after the fuse was all together.. The challenge is figuring out an
optimal location relative to all the magnetic fields to be installed
later. 1) the elevator trim motor, 2) the pitch trim motor, 3) the
strobe power unit (which assume kicks of some field).
I Installed my tray further forward in the same bay and biased to the
left side of the cone to put it equidistant from the 2 trim motors.
Of course, the unit may not be as sensitive as suggested. Somewhere
down the line some one will have a documented a serviceable location
for the various brands and configs.
Steve Mills wrote:
> I built a shelf for my magnetometer, about 1/2 way back in the
> tailcone (see picture), and it would of been lots easier to do while
> building the tailcone. Simply mount it on the top longeron, and it
> will be very close to level. You can the fine-tune the level and
> direction, when you install the magnetometer.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
I would second Rene's recommendation to back rivet the tail cone. I was able to
back rivet the entire cone, minus about 6 rivets in the narrowest aft-most portion.
A suggestion that I have not seen mentioned before is that I would recommend
back riveting the F-1047B-R,L and C stiffeners to the F-1075 skin before
clecoing the skin to the bulkheads. It is much easier to do this with the skin
flat on your bench. Just leave the rivet holes open where the stiffeners cross
the bulkheads. I had some concern that I would not be able to get the stiffeners
into the corresponding bulkhead slots, but with a little flexing of the
stiffeners it worked out fine. And saved a lot of riveting inside the tail cone.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
I too back riveted almost the entire tail cone and all the side and bottom
skins (except for those few...) wherever I can figure out a way to back
rivet, I do!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone Question
I would second Rene's recommendation to back rivet the tail cone. I was able
to back rivet the entire cone, minus about 6 rivets in the narrowest
aft-most portion. A suggestion that I have not seen mentioned before is that
I would recommend back riveting the F-1047B-R,L and C stiffeners to the
F-1075 skin before clecoing the skin to the bulkheads. It is much easier to
do this with the skin flat on your bench. Just leave the rivet holes open
where the stiffeners cross the bulkheads. I had some concern that I would
not be able to get the stiffeners into the corresponding bulkhead slots, but
with a little flexing of the stiffeners it worked out fine. And saved a lot
of riveting inside the tail cone.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB
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