Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 02:37 AM - Re: Quick Build Factory (rustybliss)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Tailcone Question (tsts4)
3. 07:54 AM - Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Bob Leffler)
5. 10:54 AM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 11:53 AM - Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube (Bob Turner)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: IO-540 for sale (woxofswa)
8. 12:10 PM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (John Cox)
9. 12:26 PM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Robin Marks)
10. 12:32 PM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Bob and Karen Brown)
11. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube (Bob and Karen Brown)
12. 12:37 PM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Bob Leffler)
13. 01:12 PM - Re: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants (Ralph E. Capen)
14. 01:17 PM - Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube (Jeff Carpenter)
15. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Deems Davis)
16. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Bob and Karen Brown)
17. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Deems Davis)
18. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (David Maib)
19. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Tim Olson)
20. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Deems Davis)
21. 05:29 PM - Leaning and cruising. (David McNeill)
22. 05:32 PM - Leaning and cruising (David McNeill)
23. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
25. 06:11 PM - Leaning and cruising (David McNeill)
26. 06:13 PM - Re: Leaning and cruising (Robin Marks)
27. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (Miller John)
28. 06:18 PM - Re: Leaning and cruising (Miller John)
29. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat to cabin? (John Cox)
30. 10:00 PM - Re: Leaning and cruising (Jesse Saint)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Quick Build Factory |
Thanks to all that have responded to my inquiry regarding a tour or visit to the
Quick Build factory in Manila.
I am back in Tokyo now and still haven't heard a peep from the representative to
Vans in Manila. Of course it is a little disappointing; but I will give them
the benefit of the doubt since they are trying to re-establish their factory
in a new location.
I don't anticipate having to order the fuselage until late fall or early winter
of 2009, but I am having concerns about waiting till then and then having to
wait another six months for the product to arrive. Hopefully things will have
turned around and Vans can put a more definite schedule out soon.
If I do hear from the Manila factory, I will be sure to post that information and
if I do get the opportunity to visit, I will be sure to update this thread.
Fly safe,
--------
Rusty
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235204#235204
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tailcone Question |
I did the saw horse method, turning the tailcone over and from side-to-side as
required. I did as much as I could solo and then recruited my wife to shoot while
I bucked. Came out fine.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235217#235217
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my oversize
RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation -
if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
Thanks,
Ralph
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
I'm sure the Deems does. If he doesn't have a picture, nobody does. Let me know
if you need the url.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my oversize
RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation -
if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
Thanks,
Ralph
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
Found his site - I'll poke around there......
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:20 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>I'm sure the Deems does. If he doesn't have a picture, nobody does. Let me know
if you need the url.
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
>To: RV10-list
>Subject: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
>
>I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my oversize
RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
>
>I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation -
if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube |
Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one 2" line,
since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diameter (e.g., two
1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2" line).
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 for sale |
I'm interested.
Myron
Woxof@aol.com
602 421-2868
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235258#235258
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
I am not aware of any 10 yet featuring the James Wheel Pant Mod. I would be surprised
if Deems or Robin went that route. Let us all know what you find. Barnaby
Wainfan of Kitplanes Mag, did a presentation at OSH '08 on how poor the
massive, bulbous style is for drag reduction. I was even more enlightened that
the leg fairings can create so much loss of speed - I thought they were okay.
There was an interesting post that was never resolved (in the archives) on
the need for additional rudder trim as a result of the nose fairing trailing edges
resting canted off the longitudinal axis in flight.
Deems site is a great documentary on the Stock VANS wheel pant install. Good Luck
with the performance improvement.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
Found his site - I'll poke around there......
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:20 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>I'm sure the Deems does. If he doesn't have a picture, nobody does. Let me know
if you need the url.
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
>To: RV10-list
>Subject: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
>
>I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my oversize
RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
>
>I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation -
if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |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Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
We're installing both the James wheel pants, and one of my partners is a fiberglass
guru...so we'll see how he does on those. We're also doing a different style
of rudder trim, more like what the Lancair uses, in fact, it was built by
one of my partners who's built Lancairs (I only helped him with some metal bends).
As soon as it's finished (almost!!), I'll see if I'm smart enough to post
pics here. It uses a cut out section of the original rudder (with the extrusion
in it), that is then reinforced with a Z piece and some other pieces sandwiched
together with an extruded hinge section. It definitely looks spiffy,
but it has not been for the faint of sheet metal talent. There have been lots
of hours involved...and helping a lot was to have a complete working model of
the Lancair rudder trim system on the desk while we were building this.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
I am not aware of any 10 yet featuring the James Wheel Pant Mod. I would be surprised
if Deems or Robin went that route. Let us all know what you find. Barnaby
Wainfan of Kitplanes Mag, did a presentation at OSH '08 on how poor the
massive, bulbous style is for drag reduction. I was even more enlightened that
the leg fairings can create so much loss of speed - I thought they were okay.
There was an interesting post that was never resolved (in the archives) on
the need for additional rudder trim as a result of the nose fairing trailing edges
resting canted off the longitudinal axis in flight.
Deems site is a great documentary on the Stock VANS wheel pant install. Good Luck
with the performance improvement.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
Found his site - I'll poke around there......
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:20 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>I'm sure the Deems does. If he doesn't have a picture, nobody does. Let me know
if you need the url.
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
>To: RV10-list
>Subject: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
>
>I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my oversize
RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
>
>I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation -
if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube |
And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going from one
2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just trying
to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the idea. I
haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
Thanks for the clarity and observation!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one 2"
line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diameter
(e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2"
line).
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
Sorry, I misread the request..... My mind saw SJ and I immediately assumed cowl....
Do not archive
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
I am not aware of any 10 yet featuring the James Wheel Pant Mod. I would be surprised
if Deems or Robin went that route. Let us all know what you find. Barnaby
Wainfan of Kitplanes Mag, did a presentation at OSH '08 on how poor the
massive, bulbous style is for drag reduction. I was even more enlightened that
the leg fairings can create so much loss of speed - I thought they were okay.
There was an interesting post that was never resolved (in the archives) on
the need for additional rudder trim as a result of the nose fairing trailing edges
resting canted off the longitudinal axis in flight.
Deems site is a great documentary on the Stock VANS wheel pant install. Good Luck
with the performance improvement.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
Found his site - I'll poke around there......
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:20 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>I'm sure the Deems does. If he doesn't have a picture, nobody does. Let me know
if you need the url.
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
>To: RV10-list
>Subject: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
>
>I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my oversize
RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
>
>I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation -
if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants |
I like this one - thanks
-----Original Message-----
>From: Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 3:25 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>Robin went with the standard wheel pants all around. We did modify the nose wheel
pant intersection after seeing someone else's design at OSH. I have never
liked the fish hook on my 6A. Didnt have to worry about it on my -4.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Robin
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:10 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I am not aware of any 10 yet featuring the James Wheel Pant Mod. I would be surprised
if Deems or Robin went that route. Let us all know what you find. Barnaby
Wainfan of Kitplanes Mag, did a presentation at OSH '08 on how poor the
massive, bulbous style is for drag reduction. I was even more enlightened that
the leg fairings can create so much loss of speed - I thought they were okay.
There was an interesting post that was never resolved (in the archives) on
the need for additional rudder trim as a result of the nose fairing trailing
edges resting canted off the longitudinal axis in flight.
>
>
>
>Deems site is a great documentary on the Stock VANS wheel pant install. Good
Luck with the performance improvement.
>
>
>
>John Cox
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Found his site - I'll poke around there......
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>>From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
>
>>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:20 PM
>
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>>
>
>
>>
>
>>I'm sure the Deems does. If he doesn't have a picture, nobody does. Let me
know if you need the url.
>
>>
>
>>Bob
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:53 AM
>
>>To: RV10-list
>
>>Subject: RV10-List: Installing SJ RV10 mainwheel pants
>
>>
>
>
>>
>
>>Does anyone have pictures of their RV10 SJ mainwheel pant installation?
>
>>
>
>>I am getting ready to start instaling a set of SJ RV10 mainwheel pants on my
oversize RV6A mains. I have the RV6 wheelpant hardware and want to be sure that
the RV10 hardware is not more appropriate.
>
>>
>
>>I would also like to see the stock RV10 wheelpant installation dosumentation
- if someone is willing (or already has) to scan it for me.
>
>>
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>Ralph
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube |
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to put a
reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat exchangers.
This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
experience.
Deems
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going from one
> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just trying
> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the idea. I
> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>
> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>
>
> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one 2"
> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diameter
> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2"
> line).
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>
>
>
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow, increase the
temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just surmising
here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air may have
more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know. When's
that bird gonna fly?
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of
air/heat to cabin?
Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to put a
reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat exchangers.
This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
experience.
Deems
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
<bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>
> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going from
one
> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
trying
> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the idea. I
> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>
> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>
>
> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one 2"
> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diameter
> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2"
> line).
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>
>
>
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
> When's
> that bird gonna fly?
>
As soon as the FAA sends me my medical cert. :-)
Deems
>
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
My experience with slightly over 65 hours is that there is way more
heat than necessary except in the most extreme conditions. I am
careful about having items on the back seat floor near the heat vents
when I am using heat. I also noticed that my panel was pretty warm
and my defrost fans were putting out pretty warm air while flying
phase 1 during some pretty cold weather in Minnesota back in
December. This was due to lots of heat coming out of the front seat
vents.
David Maib
40559
On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
<bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow,
increase the
temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just
surmising
here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air
may have
more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know.
When's
that bird gonna fly?
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube -
amount of
air/heat to cabin?
Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to put a
reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat exchangers.
This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
experience.
Deems
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
<bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>
> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going
> from
one
> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
trying
> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the
> idea. I
> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>
> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>
>
> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of
> one 2"
> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the
> diameter
> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a
> single 2"
> line).
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>
>
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
I would agree with this. Slowing the airflow will likely raise the temp
quite a bit. When the airflow is turned down, it is still very very
hot.
But, while in my plane I can say there is more than enough heat
available, I don't know anymore if this is universal. There are now
planes flying with the Forsling exhaust instead of the standard
Vetterman, and I know at least one of those guys is struggling to
keep the heat coming out. Not sure if it's the heat muff style
or something else, but it's just that we now need more reports
from people with other various systems before you can know that
every one has the same heating performance.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow, increase the
> temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just surmising
> here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air may have
> more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know. When's
> that bird gonna fly?
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of
> air/heat to cabin?
>
>
> Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
> builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
> amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to put a
> reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat exchangers.
> This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
> experience.
>
> Deems
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going from
> one
>> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
> trying
>> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the idea. I
>> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>>
>> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>>
>>
>> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one 2"
>> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diameter
>> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2"
>> line).
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of |
air/heat to cabin?
One of my data points is from a pilot flying with the Forsling ceramic
coated exhaust & heat muffs and a 290 hp BPE engine * James plenum/cowl.
He's the one that put the reducer plate on the scat tube baffle flange.
He experimented with the opening and finally settled on an 1/4" hole in
the reducer plate to allow sufficient air/heat. I was surprised to hear
that, and questioned it, but he say's 1/4" !!!!!
Deems
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I would agree with this. Slowing the airflow will likely raise the temp
> quite a bit. When the airflow is turned down, it is still very very
> hot.
>
> But, while in my plane I can say there is more than enough heat
> available, I don't know anymore if this is universal. There are now
> planes flying with the Forsling exhaust instead of the standard
> Vetterman, and I know at least one of those guys is struggling to
> keep the heat coming out. Not sure if it's the heat muff style
> or something else, but it's just that we now need more reports
> from people with other various systems before you can know that
> every one has the same heating performance.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>>
>> Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow,
>> increase the
>> temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just
>> surmising
>> here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air
>> may have
>> more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know.
>> When's
>> that bird gonna fly?
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube -
>> amount of
>> air/heat to cabin?
>>
>>
>> Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
>> builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
>> amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to
>> put a reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat
>> exchangers.
>> This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
>> experience.
>>
>> Deems
>>
>> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>>> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going
>>> from
>> one
>>> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
>> trying
>>> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the
>>> idea. I
>>> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of
>>> one 2"
>>> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the
>>> diameter
>>> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a
>>> single 2"
>>> line).
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Turner
>>> RV-10 QB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Leaning and cruising. |
Another example of using the low power cruise to take advantage of the 30kt
tailwind.
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Leaning and cruising |
Just some pictures of our trip to Branson using the lean function of the GRT
EFIS. Fuel flows were in the 9-10 gph range with power percentages between
50-60%. I still haven't determined how fast it goes. The kids voted for
Disneyland but as senior voting member I voted to spend in a red state
rather than Calieeforneea. While touring the shows with my brother in law,
he related that although the Branson area had voted to replace an aging
bridge that our grand children will instead pickup the bill whether or not
they ever visit Branson.
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of |
air/heat to cabin?
Hmm, I don't know but I'm guessing it's a combination of the heat muff style
and the fact it's ceramic coated inside and out. I plan on using a Forsling also
and John doesn't seem to put a whole lot of thought into getting a heat muff
on his pipes or at least that used to be the case. That reminds me, need to
order my exhaust.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat
to cabin?
I would agree with this. Slowing the airflow will likely raise the temp
quite a bit. When the airflow is turned down, it is still very very
hot.
But, while in my plane I can say there is more than enough heat
available, I don't know anymore if this is universal. There are now
planes flying with the Forsling exhaust instead of the standard
Vetterman, and I know at least one of those guys is struggling to
keep the heat coming out. Not sure if it's the heat muff style
or something else, but it's just that we now need more reports
from people with other various systems before you can know that
every one has the same heating performance.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow, increase the
> temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just surmising
> here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air may have
> more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know. When's
> that bird gonna fly?
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of
> air/heat to cabin?
>
>
> Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
> builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
> amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to put a
> reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat exchangers.
> This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
> experience.
>
> Deems
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going from
> one
>> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
> trying
>> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the idea. I
>> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>>
>> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>>
>>
>> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one 2"
>> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diameter
>> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2"
>> line).
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
We have the Forsling exhaust.
Two heat muffs & just about the right amount of heat for NZ. Have to
turn the rear ones on at 9000ft & higher.
Otherwise, for local low level stuff we pretty much have the rear &
fronts off for most of the time.
No complaints at all about Forsling exhausts, and they sound really
great!
Neil
do not archive
On 20/03/2009, at 1:13 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I would agree with this. Slowing the airflow will likely raise the
> temp
> quite a bit. When the airflow is turned down, it is still very very
> hot.
>
> But, while in my plane I can say there is more than enough heat
> available, I don't know anymore if this is universal. There are now
> planes flying with the Forsling exhaust instead of the standard
> Vetterman, and I know at least one of those guys is struggling to
> keep the heat coming out. Not sure if it's the heat muff style
> or something else, but it's just that we now need more reports
> from people with other various systems before you can know that
> every one has the same heating performance.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> >
>> Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow,
>> increase the
>> temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just
>> surmising
>> here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air
>> may have
>> more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know.
>> When's
>> that bird gonna fly?
>> Do not archive
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube -
>> amount of
>> air/heat to cabin?
>> Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple
>> of builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a
>> sufficient amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went
>> far as to put a reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to
>> his heat exchangers.
>> This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to
>> their experience.
>> Deems
>> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>>> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that
>>> going from
>> one
>>> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
>> trying
>>> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the
>>> idea. I
>>> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>>> Turner
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume"
>>> of one 2"
>>> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the
>>> diameter
>>> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a
>>> single 2"
>>> line).
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Turner
>>> RV-10 QB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Leaning and cruising |
MAY BE DUPLICATE
Just some pictures of our trip to Branson using the lean function of the GRT
EFIS. Fuel flows were in the 9-10 gph range with power percentages between
50-60%. I still haven't determined how fast it goes. The kids voted for
Disneyland but as senior voting member I voted to spend in a red state
rather than Calieeforneea. While touring the shows with my brother in law,
he related that although the Branson area had voted to replace an aging
bridge that our grand children will instead pickup the bill whether or not
they ever visit Branson.
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Leaning and cruising |
Ok, now I am really confused... Why didn't you want to visit California
because of how the state voted? And when you took a family vote only the
senior vote counted. How very red state of you... (all in fun)
David, my real question is how did you get CHT/EGT's to read on both the
Chelton & GRT?
Also am I reading that right on the GRT there is a fuel left/right that
don't seem to add up to the total. 22/19 (L/R) 45.6 Total. I ask because
this is the 3rd or 4th time I noticed this on peoples EMS photo posts.
You have to love 9-10 GPH and 169 ground speed.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Leaning and cruising
Just some pictures of our trip to Branson using the lean function of the
GRT EFIS. Fuel flows were in the 9-10 gph range with power percentages
between 50-60%. I still haven't determined how fast it goes. The kids
voted for Disneyland but as senior voting member I voted to spend in a
red state rather than Calieeforneea. While touring the shows with my
brother in law, he related that although the Branson area had voted to
replace an aging bridge that our grand children will instead pickup the
bill whether or not they ever visit Branson.
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of air/heat |
to cabin?
I found a simple solution to mine.
Took one of the Vetterman muffs off, and only use one to feed to the
firewall valve.
Can still select front, rear or both and it worked fine this winter
(once I insulated the baggage compartment bulkhead).
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I would agree with this. Slowing the airflow will likely raise the
> temp
> quite a bit. When the airflow is turned down, it is still very very
> hot.
>
> But, while in my plane I can say there is more than enough heat
> available, I don't know anymore if this is universal. There are now
> planes flying with the Forsling exhaust instead of the standard
> Vetterman, and I know at least one of those guys is struggling to
> keep the heat coming out. Not sure if it's the heat muff style
> or something else, but it's just that we now need more reports
> from people with other various systems before you can know that
> every one has the same heating performance.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> >
>> Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow,
>> increase the
>> temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just
>> surmising
>> here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air
>> may have
>> more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know.
>> When's
>> that bird gonna fly?
>> Do not archive
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube -
>> amount of
>> air/heat to cabin?
>> Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple
>> of builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a
>> sufficient amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went
>> far as to put a reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to
>> his heat exchangers.
>> This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to
>> their experience.
>> Deems
>> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>>> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that
>>> going from
>> one
>>> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
>> trying
>>> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the
>>> idea. I
>>> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>>> Turner
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume"
>>> of one 2"
>>> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the
>>> diameter
>>> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a
>>> single 2"
>>> line).
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Turner
>>> RV-10 QB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Leaning and cruising |
Dave - you were on oxygen weren't you??
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:30 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>
> Just some pictures of our trip to Branson using the lean function of
> the GRT
> EFIS. Fuel flows were in the 9-10 gph range with power percentages
> between
> 50-60%. I still haven't determined how fast it goes. The kids voted
> for
> Disneyland but as senior voting member I voted to spend in a red state
> rather than Calieeforneea. While touring the shows with my brother
> in law,
> he related that although the Branson area had voted to replace an
> aging
> bridge that our grand children will instead pickup the bill whether
> or not
> they ever visit Branson.
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of |
air/heat to cabin?
Others who have not purchased the Barrett engine or mated Forsling custom b
alanced headers can rest assured that Monty & John extracted additional pon
ies from this special dynoed offering. I started talking with John the day
Van first offered Randy the chance to begin #1 (Osh '05). John was both r
eceptive and conversant on many of Bruce Bohannon's and Kevin E's exhaust f
eatures from other performance aircraft. It includes some alignment featur
es from the Cold Air Induction. The Vetterman and American variants are fi
ne for most, but not tuned nor balanced for the special Barrett touches tha
t make it stand out in that crowded field.
The sounds and the looks are unique too. Patiently waiting for Deems smile
.
John Cox
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of
air/heat to cabin?
ausen.net>
Hmm, I don't know but I'm guessing it's a combination of the heat muff st
yle and the fact it's ceramic coated inside and out. I plan on using a For
sling also and John doesn't seem to put a whole lot of thought into getting
a heat muff on his pipes or at least that used to be the case. That remin
ds me, need to order my exhaust.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount of
air/heat to cabin?
I would agree with this. Slowing the airflow will likely raise the temp
quite a bit. When the airflow is turned down, it is still very very
hot.
But, while in my plane I can say there is more than enough heat
available, I don't know anymore if this is universal. There are now
planes flying with the Forsling exhaust instead of the standard
Vetterman, and I know at least one of those guys is struggling to
keep the heat coming out. Not sure if it's the heat muff style
or something else, but it's just that we now need more reports
from people with other various systems before you can know that
every one has the same heating performance.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
r.com>
>
> Interestingly enough, it may actually, by decreasing the flow, increase t
he
> temp of the air that's actually coming out back there. I'm just surmisin
g
> here, but if you restrict the velocity going from 2" to 1", the air may h
ave
> more time to be heated by the pipes...you'll have to let me know. When's
> that bird gonna fly?
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube - amount
of
> air/heat to cabin?
>
>
> Bob, regarding the amount of heat. .... I've spoken with a couple of
> builder/fliers that have told me that there is MORE than a sufficient
> amount of heat supplied into the cabin. One builder went far as to put a
> reducer in the baffle opening that supplies air to his heat exchangers.
> This would be a good topic to hear from some other fliers as to their
> experience.
>
> Deems
>
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
>> And a good quibble it is...I know that, but my point was that going from
> one
>> 2" line to a single 1" line may not provide enough heat...I was just
> trying
>> to "fit between" the pieces I have and that's why I proposed the idea.
I
>> haven't started doing anything on it, still scratching my head...
>>
>> Thanks for the clarity and observation!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fun with Andair valve and scat tube
>>
>>
>> Just a quibble: two 1" lines will not "maintain the flow volume" of one
2"
>> line, since the cross sectional area varies as the square of the diamete
r
>> (e.g., two 1" lines provide half the cross sectional area as a single 2"
>> line).
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235256#235256
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Leaning and cruising |
Just a stab at it, but the 22/19 is probably from the calibrated
floats and the 45.6 is probably from the totalizer (60 when full -
14.4 used = 45.6 remaining). Totally separate systems.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Ok, now I am really confused... Why didn't you want to visit
> California
> because of how the state voted? And when you took a family vote only
> the
> senior vote counted. How very red state of you... (all in fun)
> David, my real question is how did you get CHT/EGT's to read on both
> the
> Chelton & GRT?
> Also am I reading that right on the GRT there is a fuel left/right
> that
> don't seem to add up to the total. 22/19 (L/R) 45.6 Total. I ask
> because
> this is the 3rd or 4th time I noticed this on peoples EMS photo posts.
> You have to love 9-10 GPH and 169 ground speed.
>
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> McNeill
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Leaning and cruising
>
>
> Just some pictures of our trip to Branson using the lean function of
> the
> GRT EFIS. Fuel flows were in the 9-10 gph range with power percentages
> between 50-60%. I still haven't determined how fast it goes. The kids
> voted for Disneyland but as senior voting member I voted to spend in a
> red state rather than Calieeforneea. While touring the shows with my
> brother in law, he related that although the Branson area had voted to
> replace an aging bridge that our grand children will instead pickup
> the
> bill whether or not they ever visit Branson.
>
>
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|