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1. 05:17 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Kelly McMullen)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (geoff Combs)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (Larry Rosen)
4. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (pascal)
5. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (William Curtis)
6. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (John Cox)
7. 10:52 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Bob and Karen Brown)
8. 11:03 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (pascal)
9. 11:14 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Rene Felker)
10. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 11:20 AM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Larry Rosen)
12. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (SteinAir, Inc.)
13. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (Geoff Combs)
14. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (John Cumins)
15. 01:38 PM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (John Cumins)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (William Curtis)
17. 02:02 PM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Kelly McMullen)
18. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (pascal)
19. 02:53 PM - Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (fdombroski)
20. 05:08 PM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Kelly McMullen)
21. 07:44 PM - Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? (Bob and Karen Brown)
22. 08:34 PM - Re: Elevator level (Vernon Smith)
23. 10:09 PM - Re: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels (Mike Much)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
Aviation 37 degree flare fittings should need no sealant.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil lines
(VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor hoses.
> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>
> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of '07.
My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people who got
their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was right. I sent
back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the proper one. The VA190
takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller exterior nut - it is the wrong
size.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236318#236318
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
Normal Lead time is 10-12 days. I have one in stock at this time.
Geoff
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Build QB RV-10 N829GW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236340#236340
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
Geoff,
Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
could send me?
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Torque_Spec_Aluminum_Fittings.pdf
Pascal
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From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
> lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
> hoses.
> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>
> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
> '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
> who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
> right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
> proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
> exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236318#236318
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
AirMike,
I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
hoses.
> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>
> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
'07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
Geoff you mentioned you did it in Solidworks. Will you allow that
program output to be printed for placement of other devices? Will you
price separately the console and lower unit for Old Men who cry? As I
said before your price was dead on. I love the competition, quality
improvement and pricing.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff,
Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
could send me?
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
That is really helpful, Mr. Curtis! Thanks!
What I'm still searching for...just so I can get them in advance are Teflon
lined hoses to run from the tunnel bulkhead fitting outboard to the wing
tanks...is there ANYBODY out there that can give me a dimension? This is
one of those lengths that (I'm pretty sure) can't vary much...but I had
planned on running a hose there instead of the 3/8" alumninum line. Help
anyone?
Bob Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
AirMike,
I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
hoses.
> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>
> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
'07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on $569
of Aircrafthose.com hoses.
That difference in based on the webstore and not the kit credits one would
receive, so there may be an even larger gap.
Van's runs the hoses they have in the kit in their own aircraft. They have
shown no issues thus far, with that said if someone thinks manifold and oil
cooler hoses need the extra firesleeve protection that is money well spent
going with the aircrafthose.com setup.
Here is the breakdown on my numbers:
PHT
Van's price
VA119/ 111417-4S0214 30.76 17
VA-102/ 124J001-4CR0154 68.36 15.50
VA-133/ 124J001-4CR0272 79.12 18.25
VA-138/ 124J001-6CR0140 78.14 63.30
VA-189/ 124J002-6CR0254 104.96 100.50
VA-135/ 124J001-8CR0164 95.68 64.40
VA-190/ 124J001-8CR0270 111.92 97.65
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
total
$568.94 $376.60
Delivery is 2 to 3 days
Van's hoses page:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1238176072-388-450&browse=engines&product=hoses
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
> AirMike,
>
> I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
> Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
> instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
> aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
> same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
>
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
> lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
> hoses.
>> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>>
>> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
> '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
> who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
> right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
> proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
> exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>>
>> --------
>> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
I made my own hoses for the fuel lines from the tank to the valve. You can
have some variance. I put one end on. Routed the line, marked, pulled the
line and then put the other end on. Between the turn in the tunnel and the
s turn in the wing root, these can be some slop.
I did not find making the lines all that hard.
Another alternative, is just go down to your local hose shop and have them
make them up. Measure long, have them put one end on. Route in airplane,
mark and then have them put the other end on.
I bought my hose, connectors and tool from Vans.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen
Brown
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
<bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
That is really helpful, Mr. Curtis! Thanks!
What I'm still searching for...just so I can get them in advance are Teflon
lined hoses to run from the tunnel bulkhead fitting outboard to the wing
tanks...is there ANYBODY out there that can give me a dimension? This is
one of those lengths that (I'm pretty sure) can't vary much...but I had
planned on running a hose there instead of the 3/8" alumninum line. Help
anyone?
Bob Brown
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
AirMike,
I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
hoses.
> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>
> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
'07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
I would also like to get a copy of the drawing so I can layout my stuff.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff,
Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
could send me?
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
For flexible stainless steel wrapped teflon fuel lines talk to Brett at
Bonaco
* Bonaco Inc. Hose and Fittings / Brake Lines*
* 1846 W. 11th. St.
Unit I
Upland, CA 91786* * Phone: 909 - 985 - 3429
Fax: 909 - 946 - 5625
Email: bonacoinc@bonacoinc.com <mailto:bonacoinc@bonacoinc.com> *
Shop Hours - Weekdays 9am - 5:30pm PST
*1-866-239-6442*
www.bonacoinc.com <http://www.bonacoinc.com>
Larry
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> That is really helpful, Mr. Curtis! Thanks!
>
> What I'm still searching for...just so I can get them in advance are Teflon
> lined hoses to run from the tunnel bulkhead fitting outboard to the wing
> tanks...is there ANYBODY out there that can give me a dimension? This is
> one of those lengths that (I'm pretty sure) can't vary much...but I had
> planned on running a hose there instead of the 3/8" alumninum line. Help
> anyone?
>
> Bob Brown
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:43 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
>
> AirMike,
>
> I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
> Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
> instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
> aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
> same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
>
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>>
>> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
>>
> lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
> hoses.
>
>> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>>
>> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
>>
> '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
> who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
> right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
> proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
> exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>
>> --------
>> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
I believe the consoles will be/are available separately from the panel - at
least I've priced them that way!
Cheers,
Stein
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Cox
>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:30 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
>
>
>
>Geoff you mentioned you did it in Solidworks. Will you allow that
>program output to be printed for placement of other devices? Will you
>price separately the console and lower unit for Old Men who cry? As I
>said before your price was dead on. I love the competition, quality
>improvement and pricing.
>
>John Cox
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:56 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
>
>
>Geoff,
>Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
>could send me?
>
>Larry Rosen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
Here are the .DWG file for the panel cut outs
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff you mentioned you did it in Solidworks. Will you allow that
program
output to be printed for placement of other devices? Will you price
separately the console and lower unit for Old Men who cry? As I said
before
your price was dead on. I love the competition, quality improvement and
pricing.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff,
Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
could send me?
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
Geoff
I am totally impressed with your product. I am a long ways from needing one
but when the fuselage is done ready for the panel I will for sure look you
up.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Here are the .DWG file for the panel cut outs
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff you mentioned you did it in Solidworks. Will you allow that program
output to be printed for placement of other devices? Will you price
separately the console and lower unit for Old Men who cry? As I said before
your price was dead on. I love the competition, quality improvement and
pricing.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff,
Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
could send me?
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
Ok here is my 2 cents worth. All hoses fwd of the firewall that transport
flammable liquids must have fire sleeve. I have seen when a fire starts with
out fire sleeve and it is a lot worse then hoses with fire sleeve. And the
additional cost for Teflon hoses with fire sleeve is the best way to go.
There longer live and do not require a time in service change like the
rubber hoses do.
I have seen several rubber hoses break due to people not changing them and
it usually means a off air port landing not a good thing.
My butt and the airplane is worth the difference in Teflon - vs- rubber
hoses and always include fire sleeve on all fluid hoses.
We all will have over $100k invested in our projects why scrimp on something
that has the potential of causing loss of aircraft or loss of life.
That's just plane stupid.
OK That's my 2 cents worth
John Cumins
A&P
Horz stab assy.
N864FN reverved
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on $569
of Aircrafthose.com hoses.
That difference in based on the webstore and not the kit credits one would
receive, so there may be an even larger gap.
Van's runs the hoses they have in the kit in their own aircraft. They have
shown no issues thus far, with that said if someone thinks manifold and oil
cooler hoses need the extra firesleeve protection that is money well spent
going with the aircrafthose.com setup.
Here is the breakdown on my numbers:
PHT
Van's price
VA119/ 111417-4S0214 30.76 17
VA-102/ 124J001-4CR0154 68.36 15.50
VA-133/ 124J001-4CR0272 79.12 18.25
VA-138/ 124J001-6CR0140 78.14 63.30
VA-189/ 124J002-6CR0254 104.96 100.50
VA-135/ 124J001-8CR0164 95.68 64.40
VA-190/ 124J001-8CR0270 111.92 97.65
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
total
$568.94 $376.60
Delivery is 2 to 3 days
Van's hoses page:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1238176072-388-450&bro
wse=engines&product=hoses
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
> AirMike,
>
> I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
> Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
> instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
> aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
> same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
>
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
> lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
> hoses.
>> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>>
>> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
> '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
> who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
> right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
> proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
> exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>>
>> --------
>> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
Pascal,
I won't dispute your math but in Aug '07 I received a $584.60 credit from
Van's for excluding the hoses in the Firewall Forward kit and then paid
$450 to aircrafthost.com for the better hoses in their RV-10 kit. This
amount excluded the VA-189 hose since this was included with my
TMX-IO-540.
These were the prices then, I guess Van's has reduced the prices on the FWF
kit hoses considerably. IMHO, the kit from aircrafthose.com is still much
better and arguably worth the additional $200.
IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES
(VA-119, AN924-4D, ED SPACER, PT 094X156) $55.00
VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5 $51.00
VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25 $61.00
VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5 $83.00
VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE 27" $130.00
VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0 $78.50
VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5 $126.10
Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 0
>
>
> No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
> the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on
$569
> of Aircrafthose.com hoses.
> That difference in based on the webstore and not the kit credits one
would
> receive, so there may be an even larger gap.
> Van's runs the hoses they have in the kit in their own aircraft. They
have
> shown no issues thus far, with that said if someone thinks manifold and
oil
> cooler hoses need the extra firesleeve protection that is money well
spent
> going with the aircrafthose.com setup.
> Here is the breakdown on my numbers:
>
> PHT
Van's price
>
> VA119/ 111417-4S0214 30.76 17
> VA-102/ 124J001-4CR0154 68.36 15.50
> VA-133/ 124J001-4CR0272 79.12 18.25
> VA-138/ 124J001-6CR0140 78.14 63.30
> VA-189/ 124J002-6CR0254 104.96 100.50
> VA-135/ 124J001-8CR0164 95.68 64.40
> VA-190/ 124J001-8CR0270 111.92 97.65
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
> total
> $568.94 $376.60
>
> Delivery is 2 to 3 days
>
> Van's hoses page:
>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1238176072-388-450&bro
wse=engines&product=hoses
>
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
> >
> > AirMike,
> >
> > I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to
support
> > Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
> > instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
> > aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about
the
> > same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
> >
> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
> >
> > William
> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> >>
> >> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and
oil
> > lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
> > hoses.
> >> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
> >>
> >> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer
of
> > '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that
people
> > who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it
was
> > right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
> > proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a
smaller
> > exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> >> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
If you have worked with fuel and oil hoses of both varieties, there is
no comparison. The integral firesleeve are worth it for any hose that
should be firesleeved. One could debate with regard to MP hose. I
don't think there is any debate for fuel or oil hoses. I have the PHT
Parker 124J hoses in my Mooney right now.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, pascal <pascal@rv10builder.net> wrote:
>
> No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
> the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on $569
> of Aircrafthose.com hoses.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
... Just making sure no one was shocked at the difference in prices is all.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
> Pascal,
>
> I won't dispute your math but in Aug '07 I received a $584.60 credit from
> Van's for excluding the hoses in the Firewall Forward kit and then paid
> $450 to aircrafthost.com for the better hoses in their RV-10 kit. This
> amount excluded the VA-189 hose since this was included with my
> TMX-IO-540.
>
> These were the prices then, I guess Van's has reduced the prices on the
> FWF
> kit hoses considerably. IMHO, the kit from aircrafthose.com is still much
> better and arguably worth the additional $200.
>
> IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES
> (VA-119, AN924-4D, ED SPACER, PT 094X156) $55.00
> VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5 $51.00
> VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25 $61.00
> VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5 $83.00
> VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE 27" $130.00
> VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0 $78.50
> VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5 $126.10
>
> Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>> X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 0
>>
>>
>> No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
>
>> the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on
> $569
>> of Aircrafthose.com hoses.
>> That difference in based on the webstore and not the kit credits one
> would
>> receive, so there may be an even larger gap.
>> Van's runs the hoses they have in the kit in their own aircraft. They
> have
>> shown no issues thus far, with that said if someone thinks manifold and
> oil
>> cooler hoses need the extra firesleeve protection that is money well
> spent
>> going with the aircrafthose.com setup.
>> Here is the breakdown on my numbers:
>>
>> PHT
> Van's price
>>
>> VA119/ 111417-4S0214 30.76 17
>> VA-102/ 124J001-4CR0154 68.36 15.50
>> VA-133/ 124J001-4CR0272 79.12 18.25
>> VA-138/ 124J001-6CR0140 78.14 63.30
>> VA-189/ 124J002-6CR0254 104.96 100.50
>> VA-135/ 124J001-8CR0164 95.68 64.40
>> VA-190/ 124J001-8CR0270 111.92 97.65
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
>> total
>> $568.94 $376.60
>>
>> Delivery is 2 to 3 days
>>
>> Van's hoses page:
>>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1238176072-388-450&bro
> wse=engines&product=hoses
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>>
>> >
>> > AirMike,
>> >
>> > I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to
> support
>> > Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
>> > instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
>> > aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about
> the
>> > same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
>> >
>> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
>> >
>> > William
>> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> >>
>> >> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and
> oil
>> > lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
>> > hoses.
>> >> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>> >>
>> >> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer
> of
>> > '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that
> people
>> > who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it
> was
>> > right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
>> > proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a
> smaller
>> > exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> >> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
Hi Geoff, your email bounced... do you have a current email address? Great piece
of work!
Thanks
Frank
--------
Frank Dombroski
RV-10 N46WD final assembly
RV-8 N84FD final assembly
N40 Sky Manor Airport
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236446#236446
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
Do we know who makes Van's hose kit and how high quality the assembly
is? When I was buying new hoses for my Mooney to complete install of
fresh engine, the cost difference for all 7 hoses was a net $110 to
get 124J over 124 with firesleeve from PHT with full TSO tagging.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:11 PM, pascal <pascal@rv10builder.net> wrote:
>
> No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
> ... Just making sure no one was shocked at the difference in prices is all.
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>
>>
>> Pascal,
>>
>> I won't dispute your math but in Aug '07 I received a $584.60 credit from
>> Van's for excluding the hoses in the Firewall Forward kit and then paid
>> $450 to aircrafthost.com for the better hoses in their RV-10 kit. This
>> amount excluded the VA-189 hose since this was included with my
>> TMX-IO-540.
>>
>> These were the prices then, I guess Van's has reduced the prices on the
>> FWF
>> kit hoses considerably. IMHO, the kit from aircrafthose.com is still much
>> better and arguably worth the additional $200.
>>
>> IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES
>> (VA-119, AN924-4D, ED SPACER, PT 094X156) $55.00
>> VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5 $51.00
>> VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25 $61.00
>> VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5 $83.00
>> VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE 27" $130.00
>> VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0 $78.50
>> VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5 $126.10
>>
>> Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.
>>
>> William
>> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>> X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 0
>>>
>>>
>>> No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,
>>
>>> the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on
>>
>> $569
>>>
>>> of Aircrafthose.com hoses.
>>> That difference in based on the webstore and not the kit credits one
>>
>> would
>>>
>>> receive, so there may be an even larger gap.
>>> Van's runs the hoses they have in the kit in their own aircraft. They
>>
>> have
>>>
>>> shown no issues thus far, with that said if someone thinks manifold and
>>
>> oil
>>>
>>> cooler hoses need the extra firesleeve protection that is money well
>>
>> spent
>>>
>>> going with the aircrafthose.com setup.
>>> Here is the breakdown on my numbers:
>>>
>>> PHT
>>
>> Van's price
>>>
>>> VA119/ 111417-4S0214 30.76 17
>>> VA-102/ 124J001-4CR0154 68.36 15.50
>>> VA-133/ 124J001-4CR0272 79.12 18.25
>>> VA-138/ 124J001-6CR0140 78.14 63.30
>>> VA-189/ 124J002-6CR0254 104.96 100.50
>>> VA-135/ 124J001-8CR0164 95.68 64.40
>>> VA-190/ 124J001-8CR0270 111.92 97.65
>>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------
>>>
>>> total
>>> $568.94 $376.60
>>>
>>> Delivery is 2 to 3 days
>>>
>>> Van's hoses page:
>>>
>>
>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1238176072-388-450&bro
>> wse=engines&product=hoses
>>>
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
>>>
>>> >
>>> > AirMike,
>>> >
>>> > I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to
>>
>> support
>>>
>>> > Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
>>> > instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
>>> > aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about
>>
>> the
>>>
>>> > same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
>>> >
>>> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
>>> >
>>> > William
>>> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> >>
>>> >> I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and
>>
>> oil
>>>
>>> > lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
>>> > hoses.
>>> >> What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
>>> >>
>>> >> Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer
>>
>> of
>>>
>>> > '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that
>>
>> people
>>>
>>> > who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it
>>
>> was
>>>
>>> > right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
>>> > proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a
>>
>> smaller
>>>
>>> > exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
>>> >>
>>> >> --------
>>> >> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>>> >> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ??? |
Brett does not have the length for this hose assembly, we have discussed
this.and that is what he and I are asking here.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
For flexible stainless steel wrapped teflon fuel lines talk to Brett at
Bonaco
Bonaco Inc. Hose and Fittings / Brake Lines
1846 W. 11th. St.
Unit I
Upland, CA 91786
Phone: 909 - 985 - 3429
Fax: 909 - 946 - 5625
Email: bonacoinc@bonacoinc.com
Shop Hours - Weekdays 9am - 5:30pm PST
1-866-239-6442
www.bonacoinc.com
Larry
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
<mailto:bkbrown@minetfiber.com> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
That is really helpful, Mr. Curtis! Thanks!
What I'm still searching for...just so I can get them in advance are Teflon
lined hoses to run from the tunnel bulkhead fitting outboard to the wing
tanks...is there ANYBODY out there that can give me a dimension? This is
one of those lengths that (I'm pretty sure) can't vary much...but I had
planned on running a hose there instead of the 3/8" alumninum line. Help
anyone?
Bob Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???
<mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
AirMike,
I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support
Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and
instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from
aircrafthose.com. You get much better hoses for less than or about the
same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil
lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor
hoses.
What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????
Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of
'07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people
who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was
right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the
proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller
exterior nut - it is the wrong size.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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Bob is right=2C the "Tool Crib" as it is called is a great resource. If you
r chapter doesn't have one it's worth asking about starting one. He got our
s started and it has been a real asset to the members.
Vern Smith (#324 finishing & airbox fun)
From: bkbrown@minetfiber.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator level
Also=2C you might check with your local EAA Chapter for some of
those resources. Vern=92s chapter (EAA292) has a top of the line Stabila
electronic level and protractor that we loan out to our members for free.
In
these times=2C free resources like these add up=85
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels |
What's the best program to use to design or layout your panel - I see a few
on the web but they don't appear to be compatible with auto cad files.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Here are the .DWG file for the panel cut outs
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff you mentioned you did it in Solidworks. Will you allow that program
output to be printed for placement of other devices? Will you price
separately the console and lower unit for Old Men who cry? As I said before
your price was dead on. I love the competition, quality improvement and
pricing.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rv-10 Carbon panels
Geoff,
Do you have a drawing of the panel, preferably an autocad dwg, that you
could send me?
Larry Rosen
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