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1. 12:19 AM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (John Cumins)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (Tim Olson)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (Fred Williams, M.D.)
4. 08:18 AM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (Don McDonald)
5. 11:31 AM - Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Dave Fritzsche (Building))
6. 11:58 AM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Bob and Karen Brown)
7. 12:14 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Tim Olson)
8. 12:18 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Bob Leffler)
9. 12:33 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (pascal)
10. 12:40 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Tim Olson)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Bob and Karen Brown)
12. 01:23 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Steve Stella)
13. 01:55 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Bob and Karen Brown)
14. 02:11 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (David McNeill)
15. 02:14 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Perry, Phil)
16. 02:16 PM - Another subject (David McNeill)
17. 02:48 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Robin Marks)
18. 04:12 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Kelly McMullen)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
20. 04:17 PM - Behind the Panel... (Jeff Carpenter)
21. 04:35 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
22. 05:03 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jeff Carpenter)
23. 05:08 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
24. 05:12 PM - Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? (Roger Standley)
25. 05:34 PM - Air filter cleaning (David McNeill)
26. 06:07 PM - Re: Air filter cleaning (Carl Froehlich)
27. 06:20 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (jim@CombsFive.Com)
28. 06:37 PM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (jim@CombsFive.Com)
29. 07:02 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jesse Saint)
30. 08:34 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor)
31. 08:37 PM - Re: Another subject (Marcus Cooper)
32. 09:21 PM - Re: Air filter cleaning (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | EGT Sensors installation and clocking |
One other thing u have to be careful with is the plug removal, install them
as to be able to install and remove the spark plugs. Contact me off list
and I can tell you how I did my Saratoga.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: EGT Sensors installation and clocking
I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any suggestions or better yet pictures of the
final installed position of the sensors?
I was told to install 2" out from the flange on the engine. I am worried
about the clocking so that the wire ends do not interfere with the cowling.
Any suggestions, comments and pictures appreciated
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking |
Make sure as you set them up you also have your plugs and wires in
place so you don't interfere there. If you do that and then clock
them as low profile as possible you should be ok.
Tim
On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:05 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any suggestions or better yet pictures
> of the final installed position of the sensors?
>
> I was told to install 2" out from the flange on the engine. I am
> worried about the clocking so that the wire ends do not interfere
> with the cowling.
>
> Any suggestions, comments and pictures appreciated
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237488#237488
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking |
Mike;
How soon do you need pics.? I have the same setup. I can pull the
cowling this weekend and take a few pics if that would help.
Dr Fred
call if needed
903 491 5207 cell
I'll probably be free from that day job thing after 1 pm central time..
AirMike wrote:
>
> I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any suggestions or better yet pictures of the final
installed position of the sensors?
>
> I was told to install 2" out from the flange on the engine. I am worried about
the clocking so that the wire ends do not interfere with the cowling.
>
> Any suggestions, comments and pictures appreciated
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237488#237488
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking |
Can't remember exactly what distance was recommended (2"-4"?), but I believ
e the critical element is to make them all the same.- I think mine are 3"
... Make sure you measure the inside radius of the pipe and make a mark, an
d then the outside of the radius of the pipe and make another mark.- Then
figure where the sensor needs to be to clear everything (plugs, wires, etc
), and then draw a line between those tow marks.- I kept mine to the insi
de thus avoiding the cowl problem.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 4/2/09, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: EGT Sensors installation and clocking
I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any suggestions or better yet pictures of the f
inal installed position of the sensors?
I was told to install 2" out from the flange on the engine. I am worried ab
out the clocking so that the wire ends do not interfere with the cowling.
Any suggestions, comments and pictures appreciated
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237488#237488
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
QB Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
I'll counter that with QB Fuse. Depends on if you like
building or like flying.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> QB Wings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
> (Building)
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: RV-10 Matronics
> Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
>
> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
> While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
> This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
> fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
> for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
>
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
I don't think you'll get much debate. QB Wings over QB fuselage.
The fuselage goes together quicker and is more interesting (i.e. less
repetitive work). The fuselage requires less proseal too! (i.e fuel tanks
are built in the QB wings)
I think a better question to ask is what will be the quality level of the
QBs with the new factory? Unfortunately, nobody will know that answer until
this summer when they start to ship.
I'm doing a standard build of both.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Depends on how much you want to build, I would go SB the whole way, as I
did, you lose so much of the building experience getting the QB. If you are
sold on one or the other the fuselage requires more work than the wings did,
the only section in the wings that are a challenge is the fuel tanks and
that just requires an attention to detail, if you are meticulous in applying
the proseal that section can be fun as well and really no big deal.
So if in a rush, get the fusellage QB if not do the SB and enjoy the
building process.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
> While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options. This
> question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
> fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
> for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
>
> Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Gee, I don't know. I've met more than a handful of people
so far with leaky rivets on fuel tanks from QB Wings. I'd
never want to have my tanks built there based on what I've
seen so far in that respect. But, you're right, based
on the new Philippines issues, it may be safest just to
skip all the QB stuff and do it all yourself. You'd save
enough to buy or almost buy a GNS-430W while you're doing it.
As far as I'm concerned though, the proseal job of
building tanks may suck, but it certainly is bearable
and it's over pretty quick...I'd do it again no
problem.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> I don't think you'll get much debate. QB Wings over QB fuselage.
>
> The fuselage goes together quicker and is more interesting (i.e. less
> repetitive work). The fuselage requires less proseal too! (i.e fuel tanks
> are built in the QB wings)
>
> I think a better question to ask is what will be the quality level of the
> QBs with the new factory? Unfortunately, nobody will know that answer until
> this summer when they start to ship.
>
> I'm doing a standard build of both.
>
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
> (Building)
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: RV-10 Matronics
> Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
>
> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
> While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
> This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
> fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
> for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
>
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
The reason I said wings is...that's the part that's flying, it's the
majority of rivets. I've bought two sets of QB wings...both were almost
flawless. I can't do that good of riveting myself...I went QB all the way
on my -7A. On the 10, went QB wing...happy with that, but would have been
fine either way really. I'd say look at a QB wing if you can...then look at
a first timers wing...make your choice.
Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
Depends on how much you want to build, I would go SB the whole way, as I
did, you lose so much of the building experience getting the QB. If you are
sold on one or the other the fuselage requires more work than the wings did,
the only section in the wings that are a challenge is the fuel tanks and
that just requires an attention to detail, if you are meticulous in applying
the proseal that section can be fun as well and really no big deal.
So if in a rush, get the fusellage QB if not do the SB and enjoy the
building process.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
> While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options. This
> question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
> fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
> for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
>
> Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
I just ordered slow build wings and I'm fine with slow build all the way but
it depends on how fast you want to finish. I heard of issues with leaking
quickbuild tanks in the past. I don't know if it has been resolved but that
might be something to consider.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
I don't know what percentage of QB tanks leak vs SB or "owner built"...but I
can't believe it can be much different. With over 50 RV's based at this
airpark and in my own experiences of being around people who have finished
up their planes and fueled and flown...I just don't see a huge difference in
how many leak...QB vs SB. I've seen just a few leakers from each type, but
I don't really see a chronic problem either way. Chalk up my QB tanks
(knocking on wood now) and everyone I know around me as non leakers. The
only leakers I know of around here (total of maybe six) except one or two
have all been owner built tanks.
Bob
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Stella
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
I just ordered slow build wings and I'm fine with slow build all the way but
it depends on how fast you want to finish. I heard of issues with leaking
quickbuild tanks in the past. I don't know if it has been resolved but that
might be something to consider.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Both QB, of course I got the early QB wings and fuselage. Also I put every
rivet in the Glastar project so don't need the additional experience.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen
Brown
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
--> <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
I don't know what percentage of QB tanks leak vs SB or "owner built"...but I
can't believe it can be much different. With over 50 RV's based at this
airpark and in my own experiences of being around people who have finished
up their planes and fueled and flown...I just don't see a huge difference in
how many leak...QB vs SB. I've seen just a few leakers from each type, but
I don't really see a chronic problem either way. Chalk up my QB tanks
(knocking on wood now) and everyone I know around me as non leakers. The
only leakers I know of around here (total of maybe six) except one or two
have all been owner built tanks.
Bob
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Stella
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
--> <sstella@incisaledge.com>
I just ordered slow build wings and I'm fine with slow build all the way but
it depends on how fast you want to finish. I heard of issues with leaking
quickbuild tanks in the past. I don't know if it has been resolved but that
might be something to consider.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go for
the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
I wish I hadn't ordered a QB fuse (Or wings for that matter) last
December.
I'm feeling like July or August is optimistic at this time. I really
wish I had ordered parts only.
I'd cancel my order now, but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.
If I cancel, I'm starting over from scratch 5 months late and I might be
getting a QB fuse in a few months. A fuse completed to QB status is
more than 3-6 months of work for me to do. So it's a catch 22.
If I was ordering again, I'd just order the parts. Regardless of wings
or fuse.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fritzsche (Building) [mailto:fritzsch@eskimo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
--> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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We had a Cessna 421 out for a pressurization check the other night when the
windscreen blew out. All broken pieces went out into the slip screen and
after the in rush pressurized the cabin, there was no blast into the
airplane. pilots reported a bit of noise and one felt out for the windscreen
and found it gone. They maintained 160Kts back to base and landed. no
injuries and I saw the airplane in the hangar awaiting a new windscreen. It
appears that if the back of the aircraft had an exit point for the air the
drag would have been catastrophic.
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Simple math:
Wings = 2
Wing Fuel Tanks = 2
Fuse = 1
Fuse Fuel Tanks = 0
QB wings, SB Fuse IMHO.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Have you had any updates on the QB delivery time? My order is a couple
months behind yours.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
>
> I wish I hadn't ordered a QB fuse (Or wings for that matter) last
> December.
>
> I'm feeling like July or August is optimistic at this time. I really
> wish I had ordered parts only.
>
> I'd cancel my order now, but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.
> If I cancel, I'm starting over from scratch 5 months late and I might be
> getting a QB fuse in a few months. A fuse completed to QB status is
> more than 3-6 months of work for me to do. So it's a catch 22.
>
> If I was ordering again, I'd just order the parts. Regardless of wings
> or fuse.
>
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Dave,
The SB wings are largely repetition - 2 essentially identical parts.
Each of them have a lot of ribs. There is nothing at all complex about
building the wings - imagine a much larger scale version of the H-stab.
Fuel tanks aren't that difficult either, just messy. They're also
almost identical to the outboard leading edge assemblies, except for the
proseal :)
The SB fuselage is a lot more involved - longerons to be bent/twisted,
lower forward/aft cabin skins to be rolled around a hardwood form, etc.
The fuselage requires a lot more head scratching than the wings.
Just depends on why you're considering QB - if it's to avoid complex
construction go with the QB fuselage, if it's to avoid a lot of
repetitious, mundane type of building then go with QB wings.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Fritzsche (Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
instrument panel:
Trim Servo Controller
2 Fuse Blocks
1 Terminal Strip
ARINC Converter
Forrest of Ground Tabs
Ethernet Hub
Have I forgotten anything?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Jeff,
It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
- If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
- If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
- The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
than the subpanel
- If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
- potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
- Potentially a Wx receiver
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
instrument panel:
Trim Servo Controller
2 Fuse Blocks
1 Terminal Strip
ARINC Converter
Forrest of Ground Tabs
Ethernet Hub
Have I forgotten anything?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
AFS Advanced Deck EE
AFS 3400 EE
GNS 430W
SL-30
GTX-330
PMA-9000EX
TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
Jeff
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>
> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
> than the subpanel
> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>
> Bob
> N442PM (flying)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
> instrument panel:
>
> Trim Servo Controller
> 2 Fuse Blocks
> 1 Terminal Strip
> ARINC Converter
> Forrest of Ground Tabs
> Ethernet Hub
>
> Have I forgotten anything?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Yep, depends on what you got - 2 more maybes
- external GPS for GRT if you want belts and suspenders
- backup battery for ADI if you want double straps on your suspenders
and i'm hiding my GRT EIS behind the panel
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>
> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
> than the subpanel
> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>
> Bob
> N442PM (flying)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
>
> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
> instrument panel:
>
> Trim Servo Controller
> 2 Fuse Blocks
> 1 Terminal Strip
> ARINC Converter
> Forrest of Ground Tabs
> Ethernet Hub
>
> Have I forgotten anything?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend? |
Maybe it just comes down to why you are building. Build everything
yourself if you can. If you are short on time, because of age or because
of "life happening", then consider quick build. I say "consider quick
build" because in a perfect world the quick builds would be, well,
perfect but we know they have their short comings. Many building starts
end with incompletions. If quick builds will make the difference between
not finishing and flying a mostly self constructed plane, then the
answer is obvious.
Roger
Flying a most awesome beast!
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Fritzsche (Building)
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:25 PM
To: RV-10 Matronics
Subject: RV10-List: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?
<fritzsch@eskimo.com<mailto:fritzsch@eskimo.com>>
I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.
While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.
This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished
their
fuselage. If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you
go
for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?
Dave
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Subject: | Air filter cleaning |
What is being used to clean the Vans air filter and re oil it?
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| Subject: | Air filter cleaning |
Van's web store has the kit - or you can get it from most auto parts stores.
K&N Recharge Kit
Part Number = EA K&N 99-5050 KIT
Price = $7.50
Carl Froehlich
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Air filter cleaning
What is being used to clean the Vans air filter and re oil it?
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Jeff,
Advanced Flight Systems is now selling the TruTrack DGFII
VSVG with a special load of software in the AP specifically for the AFS
EFIS units. The new version 6 EFIS software is all tricked out for
the AP too.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying (WAY FUN!)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
Good point Bob... the general
panel plan is this:
AFS Advanced Deck EE
AFS 3400 EE
GNS 430W
SL-30
GTX-330
PMA-9000EX
TruTrack
DIgiFlight IIVSGV
The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane
Power
Jeff
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob
(US SSA) wrote:
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>
> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the
regulator(s) there.
> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the
manifold pressure sensor there
> - The forest of tabs should be in
the aft side of the firewall rather
> than the subpanel
>
- If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
> -
potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
> -
Potentially a Wx receiver
>
> Bob
> N442PM
(flying)
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>
Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> To:
rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the
Panel...
>
Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
>
Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
> instrument panel:
>
> Trim Servo Controller
> 2 Fuse Blocks
> 1 Terminal Strip
> ARINC
Converter
> Forrest of Ground Tabs
> Ethernet Hub
>
> Have I forgotten anything?
>
> Jeff
Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking |
Here is the left side of my installation. Picture xx35 is the front
/ middle pipes, xx34 is the middle and rear cylinders. I used the
same clocking on the other side (leads go toward the prop).
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I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any
suggestions or better yet pictures of the
final installed position of
the sensors?
I was told to install 2" out from the flange
on the engine. I am worried
about the clocking so that the wire ends
do not interfere with the
cowling.
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Nav antenna diplexer(s).
Instrument cooling fan?
Ammeter shunt?
AFS wx receiver?
Ethernet hub?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
wrote:
> >
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>
>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
>> than the subpanel
>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Carpenter
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>
>> >
>>
>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>> instrument panel:
>>
>> Trim Servo Controller
>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>> 1 Terminal Strip
>> ARINC Converter
>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>> Ethernet Hub
>>
>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Jeff,
Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there.
Possibly also the ammeter shunt.
Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of splitters.
If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is moot.
But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get interesting.
The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does not. So
the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and glideslope.
I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two signals
with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took care of its
own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope with
another Comant splitter for the Garmin.
I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes from
nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the cheaper
one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And
pricing...
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
AFS Advanced Deck EE
AFS 3400 EE
GNS 430W
SL-30
GTX-330
PMA-9000EX
TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
Jeff
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>
> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
> than the subpanel
> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>
> Bob
> N442PM (flying)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
> instrument panel:
>
> Trim Servo Controller
> 2 Fuse Blocks
> 1 Terminal Strip
> ARINC Converter
> Forrest of Ground Tabs
> Ethernet Hub
>
> Have I forgotten anything?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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But wait, I just saw a movie the other day where the wind was sucking
everything out of the airplane! Glad to see physics still prevails over
Hollywood, more importantly glad to hear everyone was okay. Neat story,
thanks for sharing it.
Marcus
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another subject
We had a Cessna 421 out for a pressurization check the other night when the
windscreen blew out. All broken pieces went out into the slip screen and
after the in rush pressurized the cabin, there was no blast into the
airplane. pilots reported a bit of noise and one felt out for the windscreen
and found it gone. They maintained 160Kts back to base and landed. no
injuries and I saw the airplane in the hangar awaiting a new windscreen. It
appears that if the back of the aircraft had an exit point for the air the
drag would have been catastrophic.
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| Subject: | Air filter cleaning |
We use the K&N products from the auto parts store. The filter is grayish
white when all the oil is washed off, then it gets red again after oiling.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Air filter cleaning
What is being used to clean the Vans air filter and re oil it?
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