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1. 06:47 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (bcondrey)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 09:34 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor)
7. 09:34 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor)
8. 09:47 AM - Missing parts on repaired prop? (Sheldon Olesen)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jim Berry)
10. 11:53 AM - Re: Missing parts on repaired prop? (Bob Turner)
11. 12:13 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
12. 12:16 PM - RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines (Michael Wellenzohn)
13. 12:20 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dj Merrill)
14. 12:43 PM - Re: RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines (David McNeill)
15. 01:07 PM - Re: Another subject (johngoodman)
16. 01:10 PM - Nitrogen tank (Marcus Cooper)
17. 01:39 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
18. 02:43 PM - Re: Missing parts on repaired prop? (John Cumins)
19. 03:09 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jesse Saint)
20. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Jesse Saint)
21. 03:32 PM - Extra battery (David McNeill)
22. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor)
23. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
24. 09:35 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Vernon Smith)
25. 09:43 PM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (Vernon Smith)
26. 09:52 PM - Re: Extra battery (Bob and Karen Brown)
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Thanks for this Dave. This was an issue that I have been avoiding but I
know is there.
I have a single Bob Archer Nav in a wing tip with an SL30 and a 430. My
concern is that the Bob Archer in a tip 'seems' like a backup solution
but right now it's my one and only.
What are others doing Nav-wise? I've read the archive and seen some
external installations but I really don't want to stick more external
antennas out there if I can help it.
Can a split Bob Archer be enough? I'd hate to find that out after
assembly.
My intent at this point is to try to use the Bob Archer for both units.
Then punt if that doesn't work. But I guess I need to invest in a
couple of splitters. Thanks again.
Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there.
> Possibly also the ammeter shunt.
>
> Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of splitters.
>
> If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is moot.
> But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get interesting.
>
> The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does not. So
> the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and glideslope.
>
> I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two signals
> with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took care of its
> own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope with
> another Comant splitter for the Garmin.
>
> I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes from
> nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the cheaper
> one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And
> pricing...
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>
>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
>> than the subpanel
>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Carpenter
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>> instrument panel:
>>
>> Trim Servo Controller
>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>> 1 Terminal Strip
>> ARINC Converter
>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>> Ethernet Hub
>>
>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
If you are planning to do the panel yourself, checkout the Approach
FastStack product and service. For a DIY panel, FastStack is like the
QB option.
You get a fully customized wiring solution for your selection of gear
including a customer wiring harness, documentation, and the FastStack
box which makes it all work. The box is just an unpowered junction box
that makes all the inter-unit connections. Seems real high quality and
definitely done with a lot of avionics expertise by Tim Haas.
You still end up making all the decisions about what to mount where,
putting together a power distribution paln, and doing the power wiring
but the inter-box connections are all designed and done for you. Price
on the unit and the avionics stack was very right too. Very flexible
and knowledgeable service.
I haven't finished it yet so I can't actually comment on the final
product but it certainly made doing it myself a much faster and I
believe a more reliable panel. Very happy so far.
Bill "anxious to light the whole thing up" Watson
40605
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>
>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
>> than the subpanel
>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Carpenter
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>
>>
>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>> instrument panel:
>>
>> Trim Servo Controller
>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>> 1 Terminal Strip
>> ARINC Converter
>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>> Ethernet Hub
>>
>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Bill,
You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but it's probably
about the same amount of money to just install another Archer nav (in the other
wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of not losing signal strength due to
splitting of the signal between the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as
a backup to GPS and the ILS is very strong anyway...
Bob
N442PM (flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Hey Bob,
I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com
antenna in the other tip.
Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly
effectively become one with the WAAS setup.
Thanks
bcondrey wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but it's probably
about the same amount of money to just install another Archer nav (in the other
wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of not losing signal strength due to
splitting of the signal between the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as
a backup to GPS and the ILS is very strong anyway...
>
> Bob
> N442PM (flying)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
I'll have an Archer Nav antenna in each wing tip... already purchased
and on the shelf, so it looks like I can forgo the splitters. I've
got my fuse blocks and Trim Controller. I'll visit the Radio Shack
Aviation Department for the Ethernet Hub.
I'm trying to get as much work done as I can before I have to sink
the big dollars into the panel. Stein's spent a good chunk of time
on the phone with me (and he also stood behind his customers in the
great Chelton debacle), so he'll be getting my business. With that
in mind, does anyone know the sizes of the following items:
ARINC Converter
AFS AOA Processor
WX Receiver
Ammeter Shunt
Manifold Pressure Sender
One other question comes to mind. When you cut the hole in the sub
panel for the radio stack, are you simply creating an opening for the
racks to pass through (so the size of the opening is not precise) or
will you be supporting the racks back there (and thus need to be very
accurate with the size of the opening)?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Thankful for the list....
On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there.
> Possibly also the ammeter shunt.
>
> Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of
> splitters.
>
> If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is
> moot.
> But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get
> interesting.
>
> The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does
> not. So
> the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and
> glideslope.
>
> I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into
> two signals
> with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took
> care of its
> own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope
> with
> another Comant splitter for the Garmin.
>
> I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that
> goes from
> nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the
> cheaper
> one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And
> pricing...
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>
>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
>> than the subpanel
>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Carpenter
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>> instrument panel:
>>
>> Trim Servo Controller
>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>> 1 Terminal Strip
>> ARINC Converter
>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>> Ethernet Hub
>>
>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Do you have a separate glideslope antenna? You can use one, but the Archer
will work for both nav and GS if you split it (430 needs seperate inputs).
If your AOA is incorporated into the 3500, there won't be an external box.
Your sense lines will plug right into the 3500. If you have the stand-alone
system with a separate display, the box is about 4 x 5 x 1.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
I'll have an Archer Nav antenna in each wing tip... already purchased and on
the shelf, so it looks like I can forgo the splitters. I've got my fuse
blocks and Trim Controller. I'll visit the Radio Shack Aviation Department
for the Ethernet Hub.
I'm trying to get as much work done as I can before I have to sink the big
dollars into the panel. Stein's spent a good chunk of time on the phone
with me (and he also stood behind his customers in the great Chelton
debacle), so he'll be getting my business. With that in mind, does anyone
know the sizes of the following items:
ARINC Converter
AFS AOA Processor
WX Receiver
Ammeter Shunt
Manifold Pressure Sender
One other question comes to mind. When you cut the hole in the sub panel
for the radio stack, are you simply creating an opening for the racks to
pass through (so the size of the opening is not precise) or will you be
supporting the racks back there (and thus need to be very accurate with the
size of the opening)?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Thankful for the list....
On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there.
> Possibly also the ammeter shunt.
>
> Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of
> splitters.
>
> If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is
> moot.
> But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get
> interesting.
>
> The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does
> not. So the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and
> glideslope.
>
> I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two
> signals with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which
> took care of its own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav
> and glideslope with another Comant splitter for the Garmin.
>
> I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes
> from nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get
> the cheaper one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA
> purposes. And pricing...
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>
>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
>> than the subpanel
>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Carpenter
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>> instrument panel:
>>
>> Trim Servo Controller
>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>> 1 Terminal Strip
>> ARINC Converter
>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>> Ethernet Hub
>>
>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Bill,
That's the setup I have. The only issue I have seen is that when the
fuselage is between the airport and the antenna, like when turning inbound,
the GS/LOC blanks out momentarily. I notice this when flying away from
KSNS, then turning 180 degrees to intercept the localizer. The GS/LOC flags
for a few seconds until the wingtip comes out from behind the fuselage.
I haven't done enough actual IFR to know if this is a big issue but in VFR
conditions it doesn't seem to matter much, especially since I know it will
come right back.
I grouned my Archer antenna to the wingtip attach screws. I understand that
anything less is sketchy.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
--> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Thanks for this Dave. This was an issue that I have been avoiding but I
know is there.
I have a single Bob Archer Nav in a wing tip with an SL30 and a 430. My
concern is that the Bob Archer in a tip 'seems' like a backup solution but
right now it's my one and only.
What are others doing Nav-wise? I've read the archive and seen some
external installations but I really don't want to stick more external
antennas out there if I can help it.
Can a split Bob Archer be enough? I'd hate to find that out after
assembly.
My intent at this point is to try to use the Bob Archer for both units.
Then punt if that doesn't work. But I guess I need to invest in a couple
of splitters. Thanks again.
Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there.
> Possibly also the ammeter shunt.
>
> Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of
splitters.
>
> If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is moot.
> But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get interesting.
>
> The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does not.
So
> the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and glideslope.
>
> I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two
signals
> with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took care of
its
> own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope with
> another Comant splitter for the Garmin.
>
> I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes from
> nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the cheaper
> one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And
> pricing...
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>
>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
>> than the subpanel
>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Carpenter
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>> instrument panel:
>>
>> Trim Servo Controller
>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>> 1 Terminal Strip
>> ARINC Converter
>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>> Ethernet Hub
>>
>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Missing parts on repaired prop? |
I had a leaky seal on my Hartzell prop at about 50 hours and took it
in for repair. After a week, I got it back yesterday and was
reinstalling it this morning when I noticed that there were parts on
one side of the hub where the bade is attached that weren't on the
other side. One side has 2 screws, an aluminum piece, and safety wire
going across the hub at both the leading and trailing edges of the
prop blade. The other side has nothing. It would seem that for
rotational balance these parts should be on both sides of the hub.
If this prop had not just come back from repair I would not be
suspicious that something was forgotten. Would someone who has a
prop sitting in a box at home look and see if these parts should be
on both sides of the hub? I have enclosed pictures of what I am
concerned about.
The prop shop said that there is some guidance from Hartzell on props
that have been sitting in a box for a long time. Mine sat in a box
for about 2 years and that may have the cause of the early leakage
from the seals.
Thanks
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 53.6 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Re cutting holes in the sub panel, on the advice of Stein I cut mine so that the
bottom side of long components would be supported by the lower edge of the sub
panel hole. He recommended leaving about a 1-1.5" gap on each side of components
that pass through the sub panel so you can pull through cables and d-sub
connectors.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB
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| Subject: | Re: Missing parts on repaired prop? |
I believe you are looking at weights put on for static balance. On some props I've
seen stacks of these. So one side only would be normal.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Where can we look at the Approach Fastback........been searching without lo
ok on the internet.
> Date: Sat=2C 4 Apr 2009 09:57:07 -0400
> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>
rr.com>
>
> If you are planning to do the panel yourself=2C checkout the Approach
> FastStack product and service. For a DIY panel=2C FastStack is like the
> QB option.
>
> You get a fully customized wiring solution for your selection of gear
> including a customer wiring harness=2C documentation=2C and the FastStack
> box which makes it all work. The box is just an unpowered junction box
> that makes all the inter-unit connections. Seems real high quality and
> definitely done with a lot of avionics expertise by Tim Haas.
>
> You still end up making all the decisions about what to mount where=2C
> putting together a power distribution paln=2C and doing the power wiring
> but the inter-box connections are all designed and done for you. Price
> on the unit and the avionics stack was very right too. Very flexible
> and knowledgeable service.
>
> I haven't finished it yet so I can't actually comment on the final
> product but it certainly made doing it myself a much faster and I
> believe a more reliable panel. Very happy so far.
>
> Bill "anxious to light the whole thing up" Watson
> 40605
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> >
> > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
> >
> > AFS Advanced Deck EE
> > AFS 3400 EE
> > GNS 430W
> > SL-30
> > GTX-330
> > PMA-9000EX
> > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
> >
> > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Apr 3=2C 2009=2C at 4:31 PM=2C Condrey=2C Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> >
> >> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> >>
> >> Jeff=2C
> >>
> >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
> >>
> >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
> >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
> >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
> >> than the subpanel
> >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
> >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
> >> - Potentially a Wx receiver
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> N442PM (flying)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> >> Carpenter
> >> Sent: Friday=2C April 03=2C 2009 5:17 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
> >>
m>
> >>
> >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
> >> instrument panel:
> >>
> >> Trim Servo Controller
> >> 2 Fuse Blocks
> >> 1 Terminal Strip
> >> ARINC Converter
> >> Forrest of Ground Tabs
> >> Ethernet Hub
> >>
> >> Have I forgotten anything?
> >>
> >> Jeff Carpenter
> >> 40304
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines |
I just wanted to share a couple pictures of the FWF Kit for the RV-10 from Mistral
engines. I took the pictures today at the Aero Exhibition in Germany.
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote:
> Where can we look at the Approach Fastback........been searching without
> look on the internet.
Hi Mike,
It is Approach Fast Stack. Their website is at:
http://approachfaststack.com/
fyi
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines |
It brings back memories. At OSH 2004(5)? they offered me a $5000 discount on
their engine if I agreed to bring a flying prototype to OSH the next year.
Being a greybeard I was more than just a little wary. My building partner
visited his parents in Switzerland that year and visited the Mistral
factory. He talked with the engineers. They acknowledged that the engine
could not fly for more than 30 minutes without overheating. Needless to say
we passed on their "generous offer". They were looking for a sucker to
develop /engineer all the firewall forward for the RV10 for $5000. I am sure
that it cost them considerably more to do the job correctly. That's if it is
done correctly now. As we don't see a flying aircraft but a mock up of the
firewall forward
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines
--> <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
I just wanted to share a couple pictures of the FWF Kit for the RV-10 from
Mistral engines. I took the pictures today at the Aero Exhibition in
Germany.
Michael
--------
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Another subject |
Jets suck, props blow....... [Wink]
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
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There was a thread some time ago about using nitrogen in tires. My intent
is not to debate the pros or cons again, but I stumbled across a nitrogen
tire inflation kit at Harbor Freight in case anyone is interested. Here's
the link:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=97063&r=445
9_392269
Marcus
40286
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
da...thanks
> Date: Sat=2C 4 Apr 2009 15:20:17 -0400
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
> From: deej@deej.net
>
>
> Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote:
> > Where can we look at the Approach Fastback........been searching withou
t
> > look on the internet.
>
> Hi Mike=2C
> It is Approach Fast Stack. Their website is at:
> http://approachfaststack.com/
>
> fyi
>
> -Dj
>
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ
> http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/
>
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
> airplane." --Dave Prizio=2C 30 Aug 2005
>
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| Subject: | Missing parts on repaired prop? |
Sheldon
What your talking about are weights that balance the prop. All props are
balanced statically at the prop shop. They add or remove the thin weights
and the base of the prop blades.
This is very common. Once you are flying and have about 200 hours on the
engine and prop combo you should have them dynamically balanced by some one
who knows how to do it correctly. It is way worth the cost.
John G. Cumins
40864 Starting elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Missing parts on repaired prop?
I had a leaky seal on my Hartzell prop at about 50 hours and took it
in for repair. After a week, I got it back yesterday and was
reinstalling it this morning when I noticed that there were parts on
one side of the hub where the bade is attached that weren't on the
other side. One side has 2 screws, an aluminum piece, and safety wire
going across the hub at both the leading and trailing edges of the
prop blade. The other side has nothing. It would seem that for
rotational balance these parts should be on both sides of the hub.
If this prop had not just come back from repair I would not be
suspicious that something was forgotten. Would someone who has a
prop sitting in a box at home look and see if these parts should be
on both sides of the hub? I have enclosed pictures of what I am
concerned about.
The prop shop said that there is some guidance from Hartzell on props
that have been sitting in a box for a long time. Mine sat in a box
for about 2 years and that may have the cause of the early leakage
from the seals.
Thanks
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 53.6 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
The best thing about Fast Srack, IMHO, is the flexibility and
expandability, especially if you want to add on down the road.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> If you are planning to do the panel yourself, checkout the Approach
> FastStack product and service. For a DIY panel, FastStack is like
> the QB option.
> You get a fully customized wiring solution for your selection of
> gear including a customer wiring harness, documentation, and the
> FastStack box which makes it all work. The box is just an unpowered
> junction box that makes all the inter-unit connections. Seems real
> high quality and definitely done with a lot of avionics expertise by
> Tim Haas.
>
> You still end up making all the decisions about what to mount where,
> putting together a power distribution paln, and doing the power
> wiring but the inter-box connections are all designed and done for
> you. Price on the unit and the avionics stack was very right too.
> Very flexible and knowledgeable service.
>
> I haven't finished it yet so I can't actually comment on the final
> product but it certainly made doing it myself a much faster and I
> believe a more reliable panel. Very happy so far.
>
> Bill "anxious to light the whole thing up" Watson
> 40605
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>>
>> AFS Advanced Deck EE
>> AFS 3400 EE
>> GNS 430W
>> SL-30
>> GTX-330
>> PMA-9000EX
>> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>>
>> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
>>>
>>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
>>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
>>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall
>>> rather
>>> than the subpanel
>>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
>>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
>>> - Potentially a Wx receiver
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> N442PM (flying)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>> Carpenter
>>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
>>> instrument panel:
>>>
>>> Trim Servo Controller
>>> 2 Fuse Blocks
>>> 1 Terminal Strip
>>> ARINC Converter
>>> Forrest of Ground Tabs
>>> Ethernet Hub
>>>
>>> Have I forgotten anything?
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter
>>> 40304
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
You will be very disappointed with the COM performance as COM antennas
are supposed to be vertically polarized.
YMMV
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com
> antenna in the other tip.
>
> Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly
> effectively become one with the WAAS setup.
>
> Thanks
>
> bcondrey wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but
>> it's probably about the same amount of money to just install
>> another Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added
>> bonus of not losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal
>> between the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to
>> GPS and the ILS is very strong anyway...
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Anyone mount an extra Odyssey 680 on the firewall? I am planning on using
the Piper battery box and mounting it diagonally to pick up two holes on the
diagonal stiffener.and creating a couple of aluminum doublers for the other
four holes. The holes in the battery box are .29 which means they will have
to be bushed for an AN3 or enlarged and bushed for an AN4.
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Bob Archer makes a com antenna especially for RV wingtips. In the 10 you
can stand it up almost vertically. I've been very happy with the
performance. That said, it's on my no. 2 com. No. 1 is a bent whip on the
belly.
Some people have had problems with the Archer com antennas interfering with
a TT autopilot, to the point of actually inducing significant control
inputs. Yikes. I've never seen that in my plane but I understand the
problem is pretty well understood now and TT should be able to point out the
cure. It has to do with installing a filter on the d-sub at the control
head.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel...
You will be very disappointed with the COM performance as COM antennas are
supposed to be vertically polarized.
YMMV
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> wrote:
> --> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> >
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com
> antenna in the other tip.
>
> Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly
> effectively become one with the WAAS setup.
>
> Thanks
>
> bcondrey wrote:
>> --> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com
>> >
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but
>> it's probably about the same amount of money to just install another
>> Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of not
>> losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal between the
>> radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to GPS and the ILS
>> is very strong anyway...
>>
>> Bob
>> N442PM (flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Behind the Panel... |
Yeah, that's why it's my COM2. My only external antenna is a Comant on
the belly which will be hooked up to the SL30. Com2 will be on the
430. We'll see how that works.
Much of what I'm doing is guided by the experience with the Maule. I
use the KX155 Nav/com for primary communciations. The com on the 300XL
is only used occassionally for ground when I'm setting up for a busy,
unfamiliar airport. For in the cockpit, pre-takeoff flight planning, I
sometimes only turn on the 300XL to load the course and open the plan
while keeping the Nav/comm off to save the battery. I'm thinking I'll
do the same with the SL30 and the 430W.
Bill
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> You will be very disappointed with the COM performance as COM antennas
> are supposed to be vertically polarized.
>
> YMMV
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> 352-427-0285
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>>
>> Hey Bob,
>>
>> I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com
>> antenna in the other tip.
>>
>> Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly
>> effectively become one with the WAAS setup.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> bcondrey wrote:
>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but
>>> it's probably about the same amount of money to just install another
>>> Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of
>>> not losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal between
>>> the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to GPS and
>>> the ILS is very strong anyway...
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> N442PM (flying)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Behind the Panel... |
Don't know if anyone mentioned the ARINC 429 box from AFS. It will also nee
d to go behind the panel.
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
do not archive
> From: jeff@westcottpress.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
> Date: Fri=2C 3 Apr 2009 17:00:03 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this:
>
> AFS Advanced Deck EE
> AFS 3400 EE
> GNS 430W
> SL-30
> GTX-330
> PMA-9000EX
> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV
>
> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 3=2C 2009=2C at 4:31 PM=2C Condrey=2C Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
> > <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> >
> > Jeff=2C
> >
> > It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel...
> >
> > - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there.
> > - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there
> > - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather
> > than the subpanel
> > - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel
> > - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS
> > - Potentially a Wx receiver
> >
> > Bob
> > N442PM (flying)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> > Carpenter
> > Sent: Friday=2C April 03=2C 2009 5:17 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel...
> >
> > <jeff@westcottpress.com>
> >
> > Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my
> > instrument panel:
> >
> > Trim Servo Controller
> > 2 Fuse Blocks
> > 1 Terminal Strip
> > ARINC Converter
> > Forrest of Ground Tabs
> > Ethernet Hub
> >
> > Have I forgotten anything?
> >
> > Jeff Carpenter
> > 40304
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | EGT Sensors installation and clocking |
Jim=2C
Do you ( or anyone else) have a photo of the area about 6" under the pictur
es you sent? I'm trying to figure out the best routing for the fuel line fr
om the mechanical fuel pump to the Bendix servo to get it away from the exh
aust.
Thanks=2C
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT Sensors installation and clocking
From: jim@CombsFive.Com
Here is the left side of my installation. Picture xx35 is the front
/ middle pipes=2C xx34 is the middle and rear cylinders. I used the
same clocking on the other side (leads go toward the prop).
Jim
C
N312F - Flying (40192)
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RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"
<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any
suggestions or better yet pictures of the
final installed position of
the sensors?
I was told to install 2" out from the flange
on the engine. I am worried
about the clocking so that the wire ends
do not interfere with the
cowling.
Any suggestions=2C
comments and pictures appreciated
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OSH '08 or Bust
(busted) be there in "=3B09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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If you're using a PC-680 battery, why not just buy the install kit for the
RV7 or 7A?
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Extra battery
Anyone mount an extra Odyssey 680 on the firewall? I am planning on using
the Piper battery box and mounting it diagonally to pick up two holes on the
diagonal stiffener.and creating a couple of aluminum doublers for the other
four holes. The holes in the battery box are .29 which means they will have
to be bushed for an AN3 or enlarged and bushed for an AN4.
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