---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/04/09: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:47 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 2. 06:59 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 3. 07:49 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (bcondrey) 4. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jeff Carpenter) 6. 09:34 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor) 7. 09:34 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor) 8. 09:47 AM - Missing parts on repaired prop? (Sheldon Olesen) 9. 11:33 AM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jim Berry) 10. 11:53 AM - Re: Missing parts on repaired prop? (Bob Turner) 11. 12:13 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Roxanne and Mike Lefever) 12. 12:16 PM - RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines (Michael Wellenzohn) 13. 12:20 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Dj Merrill) 14. 12:43 PM - Re: RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines (David McNeill) 15. 01:07 PM - Re: Another subject (johngoodman) 16. 01:10 PM - Nitrogen tank (Marcus Cooper) 17. 01:39 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Roxanne and Mike Lefever) 18. 02:43 PM - Re: Missing parts on repaired prop? (John Cumins) 19. 03:09 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Jesse Saint) 20. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Jesse Saint) 21. 03:32 PM - Extra battery (David McNeill) 22. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Dave Saylor) 23. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Behind the Panel... (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 24. 09:35 PM - Re: Behind the Panel... (Vernon Smith) 25. 09:43 PM - Re: EGT Sensors installation and clocking (Vernon Smith) 26. 09:52 PM - Re: Extra battery (Bob and Karen Brown) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:13 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... Thanks for this Dave. This was an issue that I have been avoiding but I know is there. I have a single Bob Archer Nav in a wing tip with an SL30 and a 430. My concern is that the Bob Archer in a tip 'seems' like a backup solution but right now it's my one and only. What are others doing Nav-wise? I've read the archive and seen some external installations but I really don't want to stick more external antennas out there if I can help it. Can a split Bob Archer be enough? I'd hate to find that out after assembly. My intent at this point is to try to use the Bob Archer for both units. Then punt if that doesn't work. But I guess I need to invest in a couple of splitters. Thanks again. Dave Saylor wrote: > > Jeff, > > Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there. > Possibly also the ammeter shunt. > > Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of splitters. > > If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is moot. > But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get interesting. > > The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does not. So > the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and glideslope. > > I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two signals > with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took care of its > own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope with > another Comant splitter for the Garmin. > > I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes from > nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the cheaper > one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And > pricing... > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA > 831-722-9141 > 831-750-0284 CL > www.AirCraftersLLC.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > AFS 3400 EE > GNS 430W > SL-30 > GTX-330 > PMA-9000EX > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > Jeff > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... >> >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather >> than the subpanel >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS >> - Potentially a Wx receiver >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Carpenter >> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... >> >> >> >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my >> instrument panel: >> >> Trim Servo Controller >> 2 Fuse Blocks >> 1 Terminal Strip >> ARINC Converter >> Forrest of Ground Tabs >> Ethernet Hub >> >> Have I forgotten anything? >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:39 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... If you are planning to do the panel yourself, checkout the Approach FastStack product and service. For a DIY panel, FastStack is like the QB option. You get a fully customized wiring solution for your selection of gear including a customer wiring harness, documentation, and the FastStack box which makes it all work. The box is just an unpowered junction box that makes all the inter-unit connections. Seems real high quality and definitely done with a lot of avionics expertise by Tim Haas. You still end up making all the decisions about what to mount where, putting together a power distribution paln, and doing the power wiring but the inter-box connections are all designed and done for you. Price on the unit and the avionics stack was very right too. Very flexible and knowledgeable service. I haven't finished it yet so I can't actually comment on the final product but it certainly made doing it myself a much faster and I believe a more reliable panel. Very happy so far. Bill "anxious to light the whole thing up" Watson 40605 Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > AFS 3400 EE > GNS 430W > SL-30 > GTX-330 > PMA-9000EX > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > Jeff > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... >> >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather >> than the subpanel >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS >> - Potentially a Wx receiver >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Carpenter >> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... >> >> >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my >> instrument panel: >> >> Trim Servo Controller >> 2 Fuse Blocks >> 1 Terminal Strip >> ARINC Converter >> Forrest of Ground Tabs >> Ethernet Hub >> >> Have I forgotten anything? >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:16 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... From: "bcondrey" Bill, You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but it's probably about the same amount of money to just install another Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of not losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal between the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to GPS and the ILS is very strong anyway... Bob N442PM (flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:12 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... Hey Bob, I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com antenna in the other tip. Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly effectively become one with the WAAS setup. Thanks bcondrey wrote: > > Bill, > > You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but it's probably about the same amount of money to just install another Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of not losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal between the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to GPS and the ILS is very strong anyway... > > Bob > N442PM (flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:14 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... I'll have an Archer Nav antenna in each wing tip... already purchased and on the shelf, so it looks like I can forgo the splitters. I've got my fuse blocks and Trim Controller. I'll visit the Radio Shack Aviation Department for the Ethernet Hub. I'm trying to get as much work done as I can before I have to sink the big dollars into the panel. Stein's spent a good chunk of time on the phone with me (and he also stood behind his customers in the great Chelton debacle), so he'll be getting my business. With that in mind, does anyone know the sizes of the following items: ARINC Converter AFS AOA Processor WX Receiver Ammeter Shunt Manifold Pressure Sender One other question comes to mind. When you cut the hole in the sub panel for the radio stack, are you simply creating an opening for the racks to pass through (so the size of the opening is not precise) or will you be supporting the racks back there (and thus need to be very accurate with the size of the opening)? Jeff Carpenter 40304 Thankful for the list.... On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > > > Jeff, > > Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there. > Possibly also the ammeter shunt. > > Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of > splitters. > > If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is > moot. > But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get > interesting. > > The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does > not. So > the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and > glideslope. > > I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into > two signals > with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took > care of its > own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope > with > another Comant splitter for the Garmin. > > I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that > goes from > nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the > cheaper > one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And > pricing... > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA > 831-722-9141 > 831-750-0284 CL > www.AirCraftersLLC.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Carpenter > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > > > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > AFS 3400 EE > GNS 430W > SL-30 > GTX-330 > PMA-9000EX > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > Jeff > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... >> >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather >> than the subpanel >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS >> - Potentially a Wx receiver >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Carpenter >> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... >> >> >> >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my >> instrument panel: >> >> Trim Servo Controller >> 2 Fuse Blocks >> 1 Terminal Strip >> ARINC Converter >> Forrest of Ground Tabs >> Ethernet Hub >> >> Have I forgotten anything? >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:45 AM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... Do you have a separate glideslope antenna? You can use one, but the Archer will work for both nav and GS if you split it (430 needs seperate inputs). If your AOA is incorporated into the 3500, there won't be an external box. Your sense lines will plug right into the 3500. If you have the stand-alone system with a separate display, the box is about 4 x 5 x 1. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... I'll have an Archer Nav antenna in each wing tip... already purchased and on the shelf, so it looks like I can forgo the splitters. I've got my fuse blocks and Trim Controller. I'll visit the Radio Shack Aviation Department for the Ethernet Hub. I'm trying to get as much work done as I can before I have to sink the big dollars into the panel. Stein's spent a good chunk of time on the phone with me (and he also stood behind his customers in the great Chelton debacle), so he'll be getting my business. With that in mind, does anyone know the sizes of the following items: ARINC Converter AFS AOA Processor WX Receiver Ammeter Shunt Manifold Pressure Sender One other question comes to mind. When you cut the hole in the sub panel for the radio stack, are you simply creating an opening for the racks to pass through (so the size of the opening is not precise) or will you be supporting the racks back there (and thus need to be very accurate with the size of the opening)? Jeff Carpenter 40304 Thankful for the list.... On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > > > Jeff, > > Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there. > Possibly also the ammeter shunt. > > Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of > splitters. > > If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is > moot. > But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get > interesting. > > The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does > not. So the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and > glideslope. > > I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two > signals with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which > took care of its own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav > and glideslope with another Comant splitter for the Garmin. > > I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes > from nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get > the cheaper one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA > purposes. And pricing... > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA > 831-722-9141 > 831-750-0284 CL > www.AirCraftersLLC.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Carpenter > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > > > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > AFS 3400 EE > GNS 430W > SL-30 > GTX-330 > PMA-9000EX > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > Jeff > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... >> >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather >> than the subpanel >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS >> - Potentially a Wx receiver >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Carpenter >> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... >> >> >> >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my >> instrument panel: >> >> Trim Servo Controller >> 2 Fuse Blocks >> 1 Terminal Strip >> ARINC Converter >> Forrest of Ground Tabs >> Ethernet Hub >> >> Have I forgotten anything? >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:45 AM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... Bill, That's the setup I have. The only issue I have seen is that when the fuselage is between the airport and the antenna, like when turning inbound, the GS/LOC blanks out momentarily. I notice this when flying away from KSNS, then turning 180 degrees to intercept the localizer. The GS/LOC flags for a few seconds until the wingtip comes out from behind the fuselage. I haven't done enough actual IFR to know if this is a big issue but in VFR conditions it doesn't seem to matter much, especially since I know it will come right back. I grouned my Archer antenna to the wingtip attach screws. I understand that anything less is sketchy. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... --> Thanks for this Dave. This was an issue that I have been avoiding but I know is there. I have a single Bob Archer Nav in a wing tip with an SL30 and a 430. My concern is that the Bob Archer in a tip 'seems' like a backup solution but right now it's my one and only. What are others doing Nav-wise? I've read the archive and seen some external installations but I really don't want to stick more external antennas out there if I can help it. Can a split Bob Archer be enough? I'd hate to find that out after assembly. My intent at this point is to try to use the Bob Archer for both units. Then punt if that doesn't work. But I guess I need to invest in a couple of splitters. Thanks again. Dave Saylor wrote: > > Jeff, > > Bob's right, you will want the manifold pressure sender back there. > Possibly also the ammeter shunt. > > Depending on how many antennas you have, you may need a couple of splitters. > > If you have two nav antennas and a glideslope antenna, the point is moot. > But if you are using a single nav antenna, it's going to get interesting. > > The SL30 splits its glideslope signal internally, but the 430 does not. So > the SL has only one antenna input; the 430 has two: nav and glideslope. > > I took the single nav signal from the antenna, and split it into two signals > with a Comant splitter. One side went into the SL30, which took care of its > own glideslope. The other side gets split into nav and glideslope with > another Comant splitter for the Garmin. > > I learned that there are two nav/glideslope splitters--one that goes from > nav to nav + glideslope, and one that goes the other way. Get the cheaper > one--they're identical and only differentiated for FAA purposes. And > pricing... > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA > 831-722-9141 > 831-750-0284 CL > www.AirCraftersLLC.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > AFS 3400 EE > GNS 430W > SL-30 > GTX-330 > PMA-9000EX > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > Jeff > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... >> >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather >> than the subpanel >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS >> - Potentially a Wx receiver >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Carpenter >> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... >> >> >> >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my >> instrument panel: >> >> Trim Servo Controller >> 2 Fuse Blocks >> 1 Terminal Strip >> ARINC Converter >> Forrest of Ground Tabs >> Ethernet Hub >> >> Have I forgotten anything? >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:51 AM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: Missing parts on repaired prop? I had a leaky seal on my Hartzell prop at about 50 hours and took it in for repair. After a week, I got it back yesterday and was reinstalling it this morning when I noticed that there were parts on one side of the hub where the bade is attached that weren't on the other side. One side has 2 screws, an aluminum piece, and safety wire going across the hub at both the leading and trailing edges of the prop blade. The other side has nothing. It would seem that for rotational balance these parts should be on both sides of the hub. If this prop had not just come back from repair I would not be suspicious that something was forgotten. Would someone who has a prop sitting in a box at home look and see if these parts should be on both sides of the hub? I have enclosed pictures of what I am concerned about. The prop shop said that there is some guidance from Hartzell on props that have been sitting in a box for a long time. Mine sat in a box for about 2 years and that may have the cause of the early leakage from the seals. Thanks Sheldon Olesen N475PV 53.6 hours
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:02 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... From: "Jim Berry" Re cutting holes in the sub panel, on the advice of Stein I cut mine so that the bottom side of long components would be supported by the lower edge of the sub panel hole. He recommended leaving about a 1-1.5" gap on each side of components that pass through the sub panel so you can pull through cables and d-sub connectors. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237694#237694 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:06 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Missing parts on repaired prop? From: "Bob Turner" I believe you are looking at weights put on for static balance. On some props I've seen stacks of these. So one side only would be normal. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237696#237696 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:21 PM PST US From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever Subject: RE: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... Where can we look at the Approach Fastback........been searching without lo ok on the internet. > Date: Sat=2C 4 Apr 2009 09:57:07 -0400 > From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > rr.com> > > If you are planning to do the panel yourself=2C checkout the Approach > FastStack product and service. For a DIY panel=2C FastStack is like the > QB option. > > You get a fully customized wiring solution for your selection of gear > including a customer wiring harness=2C documentation=2C and the FastStack > box which makes it all work. The box is just an unpowered junction box > that makes all the inter-unit connections. Seems real high quality and > definitely done with a lot of avionics expertise by Tim Haas. > > You still end up making all the decisions about what to mount where=2C > putting together a power distribution paln=2C and doing the power wiring > but the inter-box connections are all designed and done for you. Price > on the unit and the avionics stack was very right too. Very flexible > and knowledgeable service. > > I haven't finished it yet so I can't actually comment on the final > product but it certainly made doing it myself a much faster and I > believe a more reliable panel. Very happy so far. > > Bill "anxious to light the whole thing up" Watson > 40605 > > > Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > > > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > > AFS 3400 EE > > GNS 430W > > SL-30 > > GTX-330 > > PMA-9000EX > > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > > > Jeff > > > > On Apr 3=2C 2009=2C at 4:31 PM=2C Condrey=2C Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Jeff=2C > >> > >> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... > >> > >> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. > >> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there > >> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather > >> than the subpanel > >> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel > >> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS > >> - Potentially a Wx receiver > >> > >> Bob > >> N442PM (flying) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > >> Carpenter > >> Sent: Friday=2C April 03=2C 2009 5:17 PM > >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > >> m> > >> > >> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my > >> instrument panel: > >> > >> Trim Servo Controller > >> 2 Fuse Blocks > >> 1 Terminal Strip > >> ARINC Converter > >> Forrest of Ground Tabs > >> Ethernet Hub > >> > >> Have I forgotten anything? > >> > >> Jeff Carpenter > >> 40304 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines From: "Michael Wellenzohn" I just wanted to share a couple pictures of the FWF Kit for the RV-10 from Mistral engines. I took the pictures today at the Aero Exhibition in Germany. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237699#237699 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04284_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04283_168.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04282_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04281_128.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04280_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... From: Dj Merrill Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote: > Where can we look at the Approach Fastback........been searching without > look on the internet. Hi Mike, It is Approach Fast Stack. Their website is at: http://approachfaststack.com/ fyi -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:46 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines It brings back memories. At OSH 2004(5)? they offered me a $5000 discount on their engine if I agreed to bring a flying prototype to OSH the next year. Being a greybeard I was more than just a little wary. My building partner visited his parents in Switzerland that year and visited the Mistral factory. He talked with the engineers. They acknowledged that the engine could not fly for more than 30 minutes without overheating. Needless to say we passed on their "generous offer". They were looking for a sucker to develop /engineer all the firewall forward for the RV10 for $5000. I am sure that it cost them considerably more to do the job correctly. That's if it is done correctly now. As we don't see a flying aircraft but a mock up of the firewall forward -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 FWF Kit Mistral Engines --> I just wanted to share a couple pictures of the FWF Kit for the RV-10 from Mistral engines. I took the pictures today at the Aero Exhibition in Germany. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237699#237699 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04284_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04283_168.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04282_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04281_128.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04280_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:53 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another subject From: "johngoodman" Jets suck, props blow....... [Wink] -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237704#237704 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:59 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RV10-List: Nitrogen tank There was a thread some time ago about using nitrogen in tires. My intent is not to debate the pros or cons again, but I stumbled across a nitrogen tire inflation kit at Harbor Freight in case anyone is interested. Here's the link: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=97063&r=445 9_392269 Marcus 40286 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:30 PM PST US From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever Subject: RE: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... da...thanks > Date: Sat=2C 4 Apr 2009 15:20:17 -0400 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > From: deej@deej.net > > > Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote: > > Where can we look at the Approach Fastback........been searching withou t > > look on the internet. > > Hi Mike=2C > It is Approach Fast Stack. Their website is at: > http://approachfaststack.com/ > > fyi > > -Dj > > > -- > Dj Merrill - N1JOV > Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ > http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/ > > "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an > airplane." --Dave Prizio=2C 30 Aug 2005 > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:01 PM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Missing parts on repaired prop? Sheldon What your talking about are weights that balance the prop. All props are balanced statically at the prop shop. They add or remove the thin weights and the base of the prop blades. This is very common. Once you are flying and have about 200 hours on the engine and prop combo you should have them dynamically balanced by some one who knows how to do it correctly. It is way worth the cost. John G. Cumins 40864 Starting elevators -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: Missing parts on repaired prop? I had a leaky seal on my Hartzell prop at about 50 hours and took it in for repair. After a week, I got it back yesterday and was reinstalling it this morning when I noticed that there were parts on one side of the hub where the bade is attached that weren't on the other side. One side has 2 screws, an aluminum piece, and safety wire going across the hub at both the leading and trailing edges of the prop blade. The other side has nothing. It would seem that for rotational balance these parts should be on both sides of the hub. If this prop had not just come back from repair I would not be suspicious that something was forgotten. Would someone who has a prop sitting in a box at home look and see if these parts should be on both sides of the hub? I have enclosed pictures of what I am concerned about. The prop shop said that there is some guidance from Hartzell on props that have been sitting in a box for a long time. Mine sat in a box for about 2 years and that may have the cause of the early leakage from the seals. Thanks Sheldon Olesen N475PV 53.6 hours ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:09 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... The best thing about Fast Srack, IMHO, is the flexibility and expandability, especially if you want to add on down the road. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > > If you are planning to do the panel yourself, checkout the Approach > FastStack product and service. For a DIY panel, FastStack is like > the QB option. > You get a fully customized wiring solution for your selection of > gear including a customer wiring harness, documentation, and the > FastStack box which makes it all work. The box is just an unpowered > junction box that makes all the inter-unit connections. Seems real > high quality and definitely done with a lot of avionics expertise by > Tim Haas. > > You still end up making all the decisions about what to mount where, > putting together a power distribution paln, and doing the power > wiring but the inter-box connections are all designed and done for > you. Price on the unit and the avionics stack was very right too. > Very flexible and knowledgeable service. > > I haven't finished it yet so I can't actually comment on the final > product but it certainly made doing it myself a much faster and I > believe a more reliable panel. Very happy so far. > > Bill "anxious to light the whole thing up" Watson > 40605 > > > Jeff Carpenter wrote: >> > >> >> Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: >> >> AFS Advanced Deck EE >> AFS 3400 EE >> GNS 430W >> SL-30 >> GTX-330 >> PMA-9000EX >> TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV >> >> The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power >> >> Jeff >> >> On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: >> >>> > >>> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... >>> >>> - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. >>> - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there >>> - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall >>> rather >>> than the subpanel >>> - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel >>> - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS >>> - Potentially a Wx receiver >>> >>> Bob >>> N442PM (flying) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >>> Carpenter >>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17 PM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... >>> >>> > >>> >>> Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my >>> instrument panel: >>> >>> Trim Servo Controller >>> 2 Fuse Blocks >>> 1 Terminal Strip >>> ARINC Converter >>> Forrest of Ground Tabs >>> Ethernet Hub >>> >>> Have I forgotten anything? >>> >>> Jeff Carpenter >>> 40304 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:48 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... You will be very disappointed with the COM performance as COM antennas are supposed to be vertically polarized. YMMV Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > > Hey Bob, > > I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com > antenna in the other tip. > > Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly > effectively become one with the WAAS setup. > > Thanks > > bcondrey wrote: >> > >> >> Bill, >> >> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but >> it's probably about the same amount of money to just install >> another Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added >> bonus of not losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal >> between the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to >> GPS and the ILS is very strong anyway... >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:54 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: Extra battery Anyone mount an extra Odyssey 680 on the firewall? I am planning on using the Piper battery box and mounting it diagonally to pick up two holes on the diagonal stiffener.and creating a couple of aluminum doublers for the other four holes. The holes in the battery box are .29 which means they will have to be bushed for an AN3 or enlarged and bushed for an AN4. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:47 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... Bob Archer makes a com antenna especially for RV wingtips. In the 10 you can stand it up almost vertically. I've been very happy with the performance. That said, it's on my no. 2 com. No. 1 is a bent whip on the belly. Some people have had problems with the Archer com antennas interfering with a TT autopilot, to the point of actually inducing significant control inputs. Yikes. I've never seen that in my plane but I understand the problem is pretty well understood now and TT should be able to point out the cure. It has to do with installing a filter on the d-sub at the control head. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... You will be very disappointed with the COM performance as COM antennas are supposed to be vertically polarized. YMMV Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > --> > > > Hey Bob, > > I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com > antenna in the other tip. > > Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly > effectively become one with the WAAS setup. > > Thanks > > bcondrey wrote: >> --> > > >> >> Bill, >> >> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but >> it's probably about the same amount of money to just install another >> Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of not >> losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal between the >> radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to GPS and the ILS >> is very strong anyway... >> >> Bob >> N442PM (flying) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:03 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Behind the Panel... Yeah, that's why it's my COM2. My only external antenna is a Comant on the belly which will be hooked up to the SL30. Com2 will be on the 430. We'll see how that works. Much of what I'm doing is guided by the experience with the Maule. I use the KX155 Nav/com for primary communciations. The com on the 300XL is only used occassionally for ground when I'm setting up for a busy, unfamiliar airport. For in the cockpit, pre-takeoff flight planning, I sometimes only turn on the 300XL to load the course and open the plan while keeping the Nav/comm off to save the battery. I'm thinking I'll do the same with the SL30 and the 430W. Bill Jesse Saint wrote: > > You will be very disappointed with the COM performance as COM antennas > are supposed to be vertically polarized. > > YMMV > > Do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation > jesse@saintaviation.com > 352-427-0285 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > wrote: > >> >> >> Hey Bob, >> >> I'm hoping I can split the one Archer because I have my second Com >> antenna in the other tip. >> >> Indeed, the VOR is a backup and I expect that the ILS will quickly >> effectively become one with the WAAS setup. >> >> Thanks >> >> bcondrey wrote: >>> >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> You can split the existing Archer nav antenna for both radios but >>> it's probably about the same amount of money to just install another >>> Archer nav (in the other wingtip). You'll get the added bonus of >>> not losing signal strength due to splitting of the signal between >>> the radios. Of course, most are using VOR as a backup to GPS and >>> the ILS is very strong anyway... >>> >>> Bob >>> N442PM (flying) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237654#237654 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:33 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... Don't know if anyone mentioned the ARINC 429 box from AFS. It will also nee d to go behind the panel. Vern Smith (#324 finishing) do not archive > From: jeff@westcottpress.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > Date: Fri=2C 3 Apr 2009 17:00:03 -0700 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > Good point Bob... the general panel plan is this: > > AFS Advanced Deck EE > AFS 3400 EE > GNS 430W > SL-30 > GTX-330 > PMA-9000EX > TruTrack DIgiFlight IIVSGV > > The Alternator will be the 60 amp Plane Power > > Jeff > > On Apr 3=2C 2009=2C at 4:31 PM=2C Condrey=2C Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > > > > > > Jeff=2C > > > > It would help to know what was going in your plane/panel... > > > > - If B&C alternator you'll need to put the regulator(s) there. > > - If GRT EIS you'll need to mount the manifold pressure sensor there > > - The forest of tabs should be in the aft side of the firewall rather > > than the subpanel > > - If you've got an AFS AOA the process will go on the subpanel > > - potentially an AHRS or GADHRS depending on the EFIS > > - Potentially a Wx receiver > > > > Bob > > N442PM (flying) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > Carpenter > > Sent: Friday=2C April 03=2C 2009 5:17 PM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: Behind the Panel... > > > > > > > > Here's a list of the electrical items that will be mounted behind my > > instrument panel: > > > > Trim Servo Controller > > 2 Fuse Blocks > > 1 Terminal Strip > > ARINC Converter > > Forrest of Ground Tabs > > Ethernet Hub > > > > Have I forgotten anything? > > > > Jeff Carpenter > > 40304 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Ex plorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037 MSN55C0701A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:55 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: EGT Sensors installation and clocking Jim=2C Do you ( or anyone else) have a photo of the area about 6" under the pictur es you sent? I'm trying to figure out the best routing for the fuel line fr om the mechanical fuel pump to the Bendix servo to get it away from the exh aust. Thanks=2C Vern Smith (#324 finishing) do not archive Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT Sensors installation and clocking From: jim@CombsFive.Com Here is the left side of my installation. Picture xx35 is the front / middle pipes=2C xx34 is the middle and rear cylinders. I used the same clocking on the other side (leads go toward the prop). Jim C N312F - Flying (40192) Do Not Archive --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike" I have the AFS3500 EGT kit. Any suggestions or better yet pictures of the final installed position of the sensors? I was told to install 2" out from the flange on the engine. I am worried about the clocking so that the wire ends do not interfere with the cowling. Any suggestions=2C comments and pictures appreciated -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "=3B09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237488#237488 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Mobile1_042009 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:04 PM PST US From: "Bob and Karen Brown" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Extra battery If you're using a PC-680 battery, why not just buy the install kit for the RV7 or 7A? From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Extra battery Anyone mount an extra Odyssey 680 on the firewall? I am planning on using the Piper battery box and mounting it diagonally to pick up two holes on the diagonal stiffener.and creating a couple of aluminum doublers for the other four holes. The holes in the battery box are .29 which means they will have to be bushed for an AN3 or enlarged and bushed for an AN4. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.