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1. 04:48 AM - Re: Question for the sheet metal mavens (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
2. 06:47 AM - Re: Question for the sheet metal mavens (Bob Leffler)
3. 06:53 AM - Running wire through bulkhead (Rob Kochman)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Running wire through bulkhead (Carl Froehlich)
5. 08:36 AM - Fuel Filter maintenance (David McNeill)
6. 08:37 AM - Possible problem with fuel over pressure (Bill DeRouchey)
7. 08:59 AM - Re: Running wire through bulkhead (Rob Kochman)
8. 09:08 AM - Re: Running wire through bulkhead (Geoff Combs)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Possible problem with fuel over pressure (Jesse Saint)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Running wire through bulkhead (Don McDonald)
11. 09:25 AM - Re: Possible problem with fuel over pressure (Sheldon Olesen)
12. 09:56 AM - GRT EFIS and Checklist loading (Sheldon Olesen)
13. 10:14 AM - Re: GRT EFIS and Checklist loading (Rene Felker)
14. 01:24 PM - Fuel filter (David McNeill)
15. 03:40 PM - Re: Question for the sheet metal mavens (Les Kearney)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps (pascal)
17. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps (Bob Leffler)
18. 05:37 PM - Door Closed switches (McGANN, Ron)
19. 05:51 PM - Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps (Bob Turner)
20. 06:20 PM - Annual questions and tips (David McNeill)
21. 08:07 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (Chris and Susie)
22. 08:43 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (David McNeill)
23. 08:48 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (David McNeill)
24. 09:07 PM - Re: Door Closed switches or not (Chris and Susie)
25. 09:07 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (McGANN, Ron)
26. 09:26 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (David McNeill)
27. 10:26 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (Chris and Susie)
28. 11:07 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (John Dunne)
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| Subject: | Re: Question for the sheet metal mavens |
The access plate for the stall warning horn might be a start. They are
both 'structural'.
Obviously, what Chris said applies.
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am planning to install an access plate into the fuse tunnel so I can
> access my fuel pumps without removing my center console.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the rules are for spacing the cover plate
> screws? I cant seem to find anything in the usual reference materials.
>
> Inquiring minds need to know
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643 some assembly required.
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| Subject: | Question for the sheet metal mavens |
Another alternative for those not wanting to manufacture their own access
plate is available from Dave Ward. (www.airward.com) It's a little
expensive, but Dave provides a nice prepackaged solution. Dave is also the
gentleman that sells the parking brake assembly through Van's.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Question for the sheet metal mavens
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
The access plate for the stall warning horn might be a start. They are
both 'structural'.
Obviously, what Chris said applies.
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am planning to install an access plate into the fuse tunnel so I can
> access my fuel pumps without removing my center console.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the rules are for spacing the cover plate
> screws? I can't seem to find anything in the usual reference materials.
>
> Inquiring minds need to know
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643 - some assembly required.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Running wire through bulkhead |
How did you run wire past the bulkhead between the baggage area and rear
seats? The 3/4" holes for wire on either side are definitely not big
enough. Did you enlarge one or both of those holes (and if so, how large)?
I called Van's and they wouldn't say how large you can make those holes.
Did anyone run wires through the lightening hole, under the seat, and up
through the seat bottom (between the side skin and cover)?
Thanks...
-Rob
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Running wire through bulkhead |
This is how I did it. I ran three of Van's nylon conduits on each side.
Another builder ran only two on each side and ran out of room.
I got the large rubber grommets that fit the side lighting holes from Stein.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Running wire through bulkhead
How did you run wire past the bulkhead between the baggage area and rear
seats? The 3/4" holes for wire on either side are definitely not big
enough. Did you enlarge one or both of those holes (and if so, how large)?
I called Van's and they wouldn't say how large you can make those holes.
Did anyone run wires through the lightening hole, under the seat, and up
through the seat bottom (between the side skin and cover)?
Thanks...
-Rob
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Fuel Filter maintenance |
If you don't already have this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Airflow Performance [mailto:airflow2@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: Fuel Filter
David,
Attached is a manual for a fuel filter assy. If you have any questions
give us a call.
Thanks,
Kyle Day
Airflow Performance
111 Airflow Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29306
Phone: 864-576-4512
Fax: 864-576-0201
E-Mail: Airflow2@bellsouth.net
Website: airflowperformance.com
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| Subject: | Possible problem with fuel over pressure |
While crusing at 12,500 feet I got an engine warning with the fuel system p
ressure at 52psi. I turned on the electric fuel pump and it went away for 1
0 seconds and then was back. Thereafter, there was no effect whether the el
ectric fuel pump was on or off.
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Next I looked at the fuel flow indicator and it was spot-on and steady, als
o the engine never wavered. I am thinking that it is probably a sensor prob
lem or the wiring associated with the sensor. Flew a second flight yesterda
y with no warning.
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Has anybody had experience with such a problem? It seems improbable that a
mechanical fuel pump running at a somewhat low rpm would create that much p
ressure.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
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| Subject: | Re: Running wire through bulkhead |
Thanks, Carl... I was starting to think that's the best option. How did yo
u
make the holes in the seat rib?
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>wro
te:
> This is how I did it. I ran three of Van=92s nylon conduits on each sid
e.
> Another builder ran only two on each side and ran out of room.
>
>
> I got the large rubber grommets that fit the side lighting holes from
> Stein.
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (450 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (fuselage)
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kochman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 9:52 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Running wire through bulkhead
>
>
> How did you run wire past the bulkhead between the baggage area and rear
> seats? The 3/4" holes for wire on either side are definitely not big
> enough. Did you enlarge one or both of those holes (and if so, how large
)?
> I called Van's and they wouldn't say how large you can make those holes.
> Did anyone run wires through the lightening hole, under the seat, and up
> through the seat bottom (between the side skin and cover)?
>
>
> Thanks...
>
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Wings
> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Running wire through bulkhead |
This is what I did at the rear cabin lower bulkhead to hold conduit. It
was
very easy and works great so far.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Running wire through bulkhead
This is how I did it. I ran three of Van's nylon conduits on each side.
Another builder ran only two on each side and ran out of room.
I got the large rubber grommets that fit the side lighting holes from
Stein.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Running wire through bulkhead
How did you run wire past the bulkhead between the baggage area and rear
seats? The 3/4" holes for wire on either side are definitely not big
enough. Did you enlarge one or both of those holes (and if so, how
large)?
I called Van's and they wouldn't say how large you can make those holes.
Did anyone run wires through the lightening hole, under the seat, and up
through the seat bottom (between the side skin and cover)?
Thanks...
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Possible problem with fuel over pressure |
I have never seen this. I would definitely check the sensor
connection first, and maybe even the engine monitor setting for the
sensor. A call to your engine builder will tell you if it is even
possible for the engine-driven pump to put out that kind of pressure.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> While crusing at 12,500 feet I got an engine warning with the fuel
> system pressure at 52psi. I turned on the electric fuel pump and it
> went away for 10 seconds and then was back. Thereafter, there was no
> effect whether the electric fuel pump was on or off.
>
> Next I looked at the fuel flow indicator and it was spot-on and
> steady, also the engine never wavered. I am thinking that it is
> probably a sensor problem or the wiring associated with the sensor.
> Flew a second flight yesterday with no warning.
>
> Has anybody had experience with such a problem? It seems improbable
> that a mechanical fuel pump running at a somewhat low rpm would
> create that much pressure.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Running wire through bulkhead |
I did roughly the same thing, but used the 1/2", or 3/4" pvc drip system li
ne.=C2- It's cheap and light.=C2- Ran them in the wings also.=C2- Ran
a totally seperate one for the magnatometer wires, all the way from front
to back.=C2- The drip system stuff doesn't turn corners as well, but it's
not corrugated, so smoother movement of wires.=C2- Run more than you thi
nk you'll need.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net> wrote:
From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Running wire through bulkhead
This is how I did it.=C2- I ran three of Van=99s nylon conduits on
each side.=C2- Another builder ran only two on each side and ran out of r
oom.
=C2-
I got the large rubber grommets that fit the side lighting holes from Stein
.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
=C2-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Running wire through bulkhead
=C2-
How did you run wire past the bulkhead between the baggage area and rear se
ats?=C2- The 3/4" holes for wire on either side are definitely not big en
ough.=C2- Did you enlarge one or both of those holes (and if so, how larg
e)?=C2- I called Van's and they wouldn't say how large you can make those
holes.=C2- Did anyone run wires through the lightening hole, under the s
eat, and up through the seat bottom (between the side skin and cover)?=C2
-
=C2-
Thanks...
=C2-
-Rob
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RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV
10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2
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| Subject: | Re: Possible problem with fuel over pressure |
Bill,
I had the same problem with erratic high readings on the fuel
pressure and solved it with a new heavier ground wire.
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 57.3 hours
On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> While crusing at 12,500 feet I got an engine warning with the fuel
> system pressure at 52psi. I turned on the electric fuel pump and it
> went away for 10 seconds and then was back. Thereafter, there was
> no effect whether the electric fuel pump was on or off.
>
> Next I looked at the fuel flow indicator and it was spot-on and
> steady, also the engine never wavered. I am thinking that it is
> probably a sensor problem or the wiring associated with the sensor.
> Flew a second flight yesterday with no warning.
>
> Has anybody had experience with such a problem? It seems improbable
> that a mechanical fuel pump running at a somewhat low rpm would
> create that much pressure.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
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| Subject: | GRT EFIS and Checklist loading |
I have my GRT EFIS and EIS working well, but I am unable to load the
checklist. My checklist looks exactly like the GRT sample. There
are no clues from the EFIS as to why the list won't load. I have
tried several file formats for the file. I suspect the problem may
be that I am a Macintosh user. Has anyone with a Mac solved this
problem, and if so, how?
Thanks,
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 57 hours
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| Subject: | GRT EFIS and Checklist loading |
I had a similar problem, but it ended up being the thumb drive......try a
different one and see if that fixes it.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT EFIS and Checklist loading
I have my GRT EFIS and EIS working well, but I am unable to load the
checklist. My checklist looks exactly like the GRT sample. There
are no clues from the EFIS as to why the list won't load. I have
tried several file formats for the file. I suspect the problem may
be that I am a Macintosh user. Has anyone with a Mac solved this
problem, and if so, how?
Thanks,
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 57 hours
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If you don't already have this.
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| Subject: | Question for the sheet metal mavens |
Hi Bob
I spoke to Dave this morning and decided to go with his solution. He also
sent me a message offline as he monitors our list. While it is good business
to stay in touch with your potential customers, it is always nice to see
when suppliers make the effort.
Thanks for the heads up.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Some assembly required
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: April-13-09 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Question for the sheet metal mavens
Another alternative for those not wanting to manufacture their own access
plate is available from Dave Ward. (www.airward.com) It's a little
expensive, but Dave provides a nice prepackaged solution. Dave is also the
gentleman that sells the parking brake assembly through Van's.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Question for the sheet metal mavens
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
The access plate for the stall warning horn might be a start. They are
both 'structural'.
Obviously, what Chris said applies.
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am planning to install an access plate into the fuse tunnel so I can
> access my fuel pumps without removing my center console.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the rules are for spacing the cover plate
> screws? I can't seem to find anything in the usual reference materials.
>
> Inquiring minds need to know
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643 - some assembly required.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps |
I see on the section 27-6 (firewall) that they have one install the Heat
vents . In figure 2 they show the adel clamps on the top of the vents
(to hold the cable) but nothing to indicate what screw and the size of
the clamp used. Is it a DG4 (1/4) or a 3/16.
What are those who have done this used for the clamps.
Thank you!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps |
Good timing.. I was just looking at that yesterday too. The stainless
steel ones that I got didn't have the predrilled hole like the Van's version
did or mentioned the adel clamp. My thought was to wait until the plans
call to install the cable and used whatever fits. Although by then, working
room may be significantly tighter.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps
I see on the section 27-6 (firewall) that they have one install the Heat
vents . In figure 2 they show the adel clamps on the top of the vents (to
hold the cable) but nothing to indicate what screw and the size of the clamp
used. Is it a DG4 (1/4) or a 3/16.
What are those who have done this used for the clamps.
Thank you!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Door Closed switches |
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on
the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend
trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok,
but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading
and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the
compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than
12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers.
So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I
slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has
an internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of
the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: TG-10 vent Adel clamps |
FWF instructions call for a AN525-8R8 screw, a MS21919WDG3 clamp; held on the underside
by one washer plus a lock nut.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239027#239027
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| Subject: | Annual questions and tips |
Anyone find rudder pedals abrading the sides of the tunnel? Also another
place to use the internal hex head CS 8-32 screws is a place under the gear
leg /fuselage fiberglass. There is one screw there that will have to be
removed with a right angle Phillips head tool or use an Allen wrench with
the internal hex head CS screw.
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Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
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From: McGANN, Ron
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located
on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the
weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S
was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT
Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in
the compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less
than 12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little
suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield
brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV
control head has an internal magnetometer and also might be in the
interference zone of the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a
microswitch instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any
designs/installation instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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yes, mechanical things fail. After checking with one of the first to lose a
door I decided not to install the light system. He said that the first time
he lost the door there was no system; but the second time he lost the door
the system was installed and he missed it. I just check the pins physically
at engine start and before takeoff. Of course I can reach the pins and feel
them in place; some have coverings there that make that sort of check
difficult.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on the
extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend trying
to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok, but there
was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading and compass.
Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the compass by creating
my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than 12"
from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers. So,
went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I slept
on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has an
internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of the door
magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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also the three fatal crashes of RV10s did not involve an unclosed door. You
note that the NTSB report confirms doors found in the crash site. I
specifically asked the question of the NTSB investigator for 210HM. The only
door opening that came close to a fatal was 415EC? (IIRC) and it may have
had some other damage prior to door separation.
_____
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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on the
extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend trying
to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok, but there
was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading and compass.
Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the compass by creating
my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than 12"
from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers. So,
went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I slept
on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has an
internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of the door
magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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I always get the passengers in then I close the passenger door from
outside to make sure it is shut properly. Then with normal TMPFISH check
I push the front and back of door to make sure its shut and try and pull
the handle up without pushing button. I have after marked door guides
and not sure if they make things better or not. I also check the door
handles when I do fuel radio check each 30 min. They have not moved
yet.
One should not need lights buzzers etc for a door it isnt a 747.
Just another opinion ofcourse and I am no expert. Maybe somone can
design a door that swivels from the front?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
yes, mechanical things fail. After checking with one of the first to
lose a door I decided not to install the light system. He said that the
first time he lost the door there was no system; but the second time he
lost the door the system was installed and he missed it. I just check
the pins physically at engine start and before takeoff. Of course I can
reach the pins and feel them in place; some have coverings there that
make that sort of check difficult.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is
located on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on
the weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned.
N-S was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the
GRT Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error
was in the compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less
than 12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little
suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield
brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV
control head has an internal magnetometer and also might be in the
interference zone of the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a
microswitch instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any
designs/installation instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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Guys,
I was not looking for a debate on whether I should have a door ajar
annunciator or not. I decided long ago that I would have such a
warning. I am days from first flight and have NO interest in removing
the capability. The reed relay solution is entirely appropriate and
should not be subject to many (if any) mechanical failure modes. I
just should have thought a bit more about the magnets relative to the
more sensitive instruments in the panel and have posted so that others
who CHOOSE to go down this path do not make the same mistake. To my
knowledge, the magnets/reed relay/annunciator are a standard inclusion
in the kit these days.
Ron
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
also the three fatal crashes of RV10s did not involve an unclosed door.
You note that the NTSB report confirms doors found in the crash site. I
specifically asked the question of the NTSB investigator for 210HM. The
only door opening that came close to a fatal was 415EC? (IIRC) and it
may have had some other damage prior to door separation.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is
located on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on
the weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned.
N-S was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the
GRT Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error
was in the compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably
less than 12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little
suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield
brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV
control head has an internal magnetometer and also might be in the
interference zone of the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a
microswitch instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any
designs/installation instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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I was not trying to change your mind, just providing another point of view
for those who are in other stages of project.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Guys,
I was not looking for a debate on whether I should have a door ajar
annunciator or not. I decided long ago that I would have such a warning. I
am days from first flight and have NO interest in removing the capability.
The reed relay solution is entirely appropriate and should not be subject to
many (if any) mechanical failure modes. I just should have thought a bit
more about the magnets relative to the more sensitive instruments in the
panel and have posted so that others who CHOOSE to go down this path do not
make the same mistake. To my knowledge, the magnets/reed relay/annunciator
are a standard inclusion in the kit these days.
Ron
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
also the three fatal crashes of RV10s did not involve an unclosed door. You
note that the NTSB report confirms doors found in the crash site. I
specifically asked the question of the NTSB investigator for 210HM. The only
door opening that came close to a fatal was 415EC? (IIRC) and it may have
had some other damage prior to door separation.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on the
extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend trying
to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok, but there
was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading and compass.
Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the compass by creating
my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than 12"
from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers. So,
went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I slept
on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has an
internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of the door
magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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My fault Ron for going off topic so what about one of those switches in
cars that turn the interior light on?
Chris
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So Ron, what distance did you determine should be maintained as a minimum?
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Guys,
I was not looking for a debate on whether I should have a door ajar
annunciator or not. I decided long ago that I would have such a warning. I
am days from first flight and have NO interest in removing the capability.
The reed relay solution is entirely appropriate and should not be subject to
many (if any) mechanical failure modes. I just should have thought a bit
more about the magnets relative to the more sensitive instruments in the
panel and have posted so that others who CHOOSE to go down this path do not
make the same mistake. To my knowledge, the magnets/reed relay/annunciator
are a standard inclusion in the kit these days.
Ron
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
also the three fatal crashes of RV10s did not involve an unclosed door. You
note that the NTSB report confirms doors found in the crash site. I
specifically asked the question of the NTSB investigator for 210HM. The only
door opening that came close to a fatal was 415EC? (IIRC) and it may have
had some other damage prior to door separation.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> Ron
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on the
extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend trying
to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok, but there
was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading and compass.
Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the compass by creating
my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than 12"
from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers. So,
went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I slept
on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has an
internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of the door
magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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