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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Door Closed switches (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: Door Closed switches (Tim Olson)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: Door Closed switches (Bob and Karen Brown)
4. 10:13 AM - Re: Door Closed switches (Steven DiNieri)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: Door Closed switches (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 01:20 PM - Re: Phase I (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 01:58 PM - Re: Phase I (John Cox)
8. 03:21 PM - Headsets (Chris and Susie)
9. 04:04 PM - Re: Headsets (Bob Turner)
10. 04:12 PM - Re: Door Closed switches (McGANN, Ron)
11. 04:53 PM - Re: Phase I (Robin Marks)
12. 05:12 PM - Re: Headsets (Robin Marks)
13. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Headsets (Chris and Susie)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: Headsets (Chris and Susie)
15. 05:47 PM - Re: Headsets (Bob Turner)
16. 06:35 PM - Re: Headsets (Robin Marks)
17. 06:48 PM - Re: Phase I (dogsbark@comcast.net)
18. 06:54 PM - Re: Headsets (Chris and Susie)
19. 08:56 PM - Re: Door Closed switches or not (AirMike)
20. 09:16 PM - Rubberized baffle seal material - how much (AirMike)
21. 09:28 PM - Aircraft Door Seals vs Vans seal (AirMike)
22. 09:56 PM - Re: Aircraft Door Seals vs Vans seal (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Door Closed switches |
FWIW, I have had a door open on me in flight because my knee hit
handle and the lock pin was not completely nested in the slot at the
base of the handle. I have since installed a leather strap to the
main gear base that loops around the door handle. The door pins are
not enough in themselves (IHMO), and the lights don't make any
difference in the situation that happened to me. The door pins had
been in place and fully engaged.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:40 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> yes, mechanical things fail. After checking with one of the first to
> lose a door I decided not to install the light system. He said that
> the first time he lost the door there was no system; but the second
> time he lost the door the system was installed and he missed it. I
> just check the pins physically at engine start and before takeoff.
> Of course I can reach the pins and feel them in place; some have
> coverings there that make that sort of check difficult.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
>
> Ron you could also just check the door is shut
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: McGANN, Ron
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
>
> Well here=92s another one for the books. My airpath compass is
> located on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs
> on the weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading
> aligned. N-S was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W
> between the GRT Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally
> confirmed the error was in the compass by creating my own compass
> rose on the hardstand.
>
> The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less
> than 12=94 from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little
> suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the
> windshield brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my
> Trutrak VSGV control head has an internal magnetometer and also
> might be in the interference zone of the door magnet.
>
> Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a
> microswitch instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/
> installation instructions??
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> -187
> Finalising ADs and paperwork.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Closed switches |
Yes, the door pins were fully engaged, BUT a complete check would have
ensured the roll pins were in the detents and that would have
prevented the doors latch from moving in flight. My roll pins nest so
securely that I have to intentionally try to release them to make the
handle move.
The mechanism is good but the pilot must ensure proper latching. You
would still get green lights even with in-nested roll pins. No
protection method eliminates the need for the pilot to verify secure
"doors closed and latched" and I recommend that ONLY the pilot latch
the doors....regardless of pin type or warning mechanism or safety
strap.
Tim
On Apr 14, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have had a door open on me in flight because my knee hit
> handle and the lock pin was not completely nested in the slot at the
> base of the handle. I have since installed a leather strap to the
> main gear base that loops around the door handle. The door pins are
> not enough in themselves (IHMO), and the lights don't make any
> difference in the situation that happened to me. The door pins had
> been in place and fully engaged.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:40 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>> yes, mechanical things fail. After checking with one of the first
>> to lose a door I decided not to install the light system. He said
>> that the first time he lost the door there was no system; but the
>> second time he lost the door the system was installed and he missed
>> it. I just check the pins physically at engine start and before
>> takeoff. Of course I can reach the pins and feel them in place;
>> some have coverings there that make that sort of check difficult.
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
>>
>> Ron you could also just check the door is shut
>>
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: McGANN, Ron
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
>>
>> Well here=99s another one for the books. My airpath compass is
loca
>> ted on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs o
>> n the weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading a
>> ligned. N-S was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W
>> between the GRT Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally con
>> firmed the error was in the compass by creating my own compass ros
>> e on the hardstand.
>>
>> The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less
>> than 12=9D from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong
littl
>> e suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the wi
>> ndshield brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my Trut
>> rak VSGV control head has an internal magnetometer and also might
>> be in the interference zone of the door magnet.
>>
>> Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a
>> microswitch instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any
>> designs/installation instructions??
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ron
>> -187
>> Finalising ADs and paperwork.
>>
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| Subject: | Door Closed switches |
Tim, being a pilot rather than a =9Cpassenger=9D sounds like
the best approach. It=99s much like only trusting a pump and a
clock to track your fuel leveland not a fuel gauge.
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Yes, the door pins were fully engaged, BUT a complete check would have
ensured the roll pins were in the detents and that would have prevented
the doors latch from moving in flight. My roll pins nest so securely
that I have to intentionally try to release them to make the handle
move.
The mechanism is good but the pilot must ensure proper latching. You
would still get green lights even with in-nested roll pins. No
protection method eliminates the need for the pilot to verify secure
"doors closed and latched" and I recommend that ONLY the pilot latch the
doors....regardless of pin type or warning mechanism or safety strap.
Tim
On Apr 14, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
FWIW, I have had a door open on me in flight because my knee hit handle
and the lock pin was not completely nested in the slot at the base of
the handle. I have since installed a leather strap to the main gear
base that loops around the door handle. The door pins are not enough in
themselves (IHMO), and the lights don't make any difference in the
situation that happened to me. The door pins had been in place and
fully engaged.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:40 PM, David McNeill wrote:
yes, mechanical things fail. After checking with one of the first to
lose a door I decided not to install the light system. He said that the
first time he lost the door there was no system; but the second time he
lost the door the system was installed and he missed it. I just check
the pins physically at engine start and before takeoff. Of course I can
reach the pins and feel them in place; some have coverings there that
make that sort of check difficult.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> Ron
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here=99s another one for the books. My airpath compass is
located on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on
the weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned.
N-S was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the
GRT Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error
was in the compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than
12=9D from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little
suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield
brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV
control head has an internal magnetometer and also might be in the
interference zone of the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
-187
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| Subject: | Re: Door Closed switches |
Ron,
this very problem was brought up to me a few weeks ago by another
builder, and what we decided to do is make some door guide pins up
without magnets for the front of the doors. They will be available
within the next few days. what I've decided to do is offer to swap out
non-magnetic for the magnetic pins at no cost to any who already own the
guide pin-block set regardless where they were purchased. There also
will be the option to order new kits with non magnetic front pins added
to the website soon. if any want to take advantage of this offer be sure
to drop me an e-mail before you send the old pins to me so I can write
them up with return addresses.
steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
capsteve@iflyrv10.com
716.579.5790
From: McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on
the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend
trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok,
but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading
and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the
compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than
12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers.
So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I
slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has
an internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of
the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
-187
Finalising ADs and paperwork.
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| Subject: | Door Closed switches |
Another possibility is to keep the existing system and use some magnetic
shielding material to keep the mag field localized to the door sensors.
There are probably a lot of sources but here's one:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/edmomumetal.php
Bob
N442PM (flying)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron,
this very problem was brought up to me a few weeks ago by another
builder, and what we decided to do is make some door guide pins up
without magnets for the front of the doors. They will be available
within the next few days. what I've decided to do is offer to swap out
non-magnetic for the magnetic pins at no cost to any who already own the
guide pin-block set regardless where they were purchased. There also
will be the option to order new kits with non magnetic front pins added
to the website soon. if any want to take advantage of this offer be sure
to drop me an e-mail before you send the old pins to me so I can write
them up with return addresses.
steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
capsteve@iflyrv10.com
716.579.5790
From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is located on
the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on the weekend
trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned. N-S was ok,
but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the GRT Heading
and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error was in the
compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably less than
12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little suckers.
So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield brace. I
slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV control head has
an internal magnetometer and also might be in the interference zone of
the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a microswitch
instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any designs/installation
instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
-187
Finalising ADs and paperwork.
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I would strongly recommend against it as a RV-10 is a much different beast than
a trainer aircraft and it's a lot easier to get behind in a -10 than a trainer.
Also, don't forget you need an HP endorsement under FAR 61.31(f) which is
something, in my opinion, no instructor should be giving to a student pilot.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectLookup/61.31
Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Phase I
Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight in ones
own RV10 during the fly off of phase I? That would enable the checkride to
be performed in the RV10 as well. Cross training with Alex has already been
completed.
A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 hours total time would be doing the
signoff.
Don
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40636
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Hey Michael......"The tree of life can be self pruning".
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tue 4/14/2009 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Phase I
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I would strongly recommend against it as a RV-10 is a much different
beast than a trainer aircraft and it's a lot easier to get behind in a
-10 than a trainer. Also, don't forget you need an HP endorsement under
FAR 61.31(f) which is something, in my opinion, no instructor should be
giving to a student pilot.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectLo
okup/61.31
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Phase I
<building_partner@yahoo.com>
Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight
in ones own RV10 during the fly off of phase I? That would enable the
checkride to be performed in the RV10 as well. Cross training with Alex
has already been completed.
A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 hours total time would be
doing the signoff.
Don
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40636
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RE: RV10-List: Phase IGuys I am looking at getting 2 David Clark H 10
-13 4 headsets and I see that a stereo model is available. It isnt much
more in price and was wondering if anyone thinks it is worth getting
over the standard model.
Shall import them from USA as the prices here are rediculous!
Chris VH-ICY
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The answer is, "How is your plane wired?"
If you have stereo jacks in place, then using mono headphones will result in shorting
out one channel (which your audio panel should but may not handle okay).
When you play music, you'll only hear one side of the music (but in both ears).
If you have mono jacks in place, then with stereo phones you will hear no sound
in one ear.
Many headphones have switches to semi-fix these problems (e.g., convert stereo
headphones to mono); there are also adapters available.
I'm wiring for stereo; with CD's, XM, etc., I can tell a small improvement with
stereo vs mono in the sound quality of the music. Of course, for the radio and
intercom, it makes no difference. So it only matters for stereo music.
One small note: The original Garmin audio panels were wired in such a way that
they are "fail safe", e.g., if the audio panel power is turned off, you can still
hear the #1 com - but this only works if you have a stereo headset! (Or use
a stereo to mono adapter).
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Door Closed switches |
Hey John,
Distance between the door magnet and compass in my installation is
around 10". YMMV, but I would not locate any avionics/instruments that
are sensitive to magnetic fields within 18" of the magnets.
Cheers,
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
So Ron, what distance did you determine should be maintained as a
minimum?
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Guys,
I was not looking for a debate on whether I should have a door ajar
annunciator or not. I decided long ago that I would have such a
warning. I am days from first flight and have NO interest in removing
the capability. The reed relay solution is entirely appropriate and
should not be subject to many (if any) mechanical failure modes. I
just should have thought a bit more about the magnets relative to the
more sensitive instruments in the panel and have posted so that others
who CHOOSE to go down this path do not make the same mistake. To my
knowledge, the magnets/reed relay/annunciator are a standard inclusion
in the kit these days.
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
also the three fatal crashes of RV10s did not involve an unclosed door.
You note that the NTSB report confirms doors found in the crash site. I
specifically asked the question of the NTSB investigator for 210HM. The
only door opening that came close to a fatal was 415EC? (IIRC) and it
may have had some other damage prior to door separation.
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Ron you could also just check the door is shut
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Closed switches
Well here's another one for the books. My airpath compass is
located on the extreme left side of the panel. I spent almost 4 hrs on
the weekend trying to get the compass and GRT magnetic heading aligned.
N-S was ok, but there was 30-35 degrees difference at E-W between the
GRT Heading and compass. Drove me nuts. Finally confirmed the error
was in the compass by creating my own compass rose on the hardstand.
The problem was the magnet in the door pin! There is probably
less than 12" from the magnet to the compass, but they are strong little
suckers. So, went and ordered a SIRS compass to mount on the windshield
brace. I slept on it overnight and realised that my Trutrak VSGV
control head has an internal magnetometer and also might be in the
interference zone of the door magnet.
Simplest solution is to get rid of the door magnet and use a
microswitch instead of the read relay. Does anyone have any
designs/installation instructions??
Cheers,
Ron
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Sometimes the tree of life prunes others at the same time...
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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Phase I
Hey Michael......"The tree of life can be self pruning".
John Cox
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Sent: Tue 4/14/2009 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Phase I
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I would strongly recommend against it as a RV-10 is a much different
beast than a trainer aircraft and it's a lot easier to get behind in a
-10 than a trainer. Also, don't forget you need an HP endorsement under
FAR 61.31(f) which is something, in my opinion, no instructor should be
giving to a student pilot.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectL
ookup/61.31
Michael
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Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight
in ones own RV10 during the fly off of phase I? That would enable the
checkride to be performed in the RV10 as well. Cross training with Alex
has already been completed.
A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 hours total time would be
doing the signoff.
Don
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Chris,
It sounds like you have settled on your headset choice
so I won't push too hard ESPECIALLY because I have never tried the DC
10-13's but I have owned David Clark's, Flight Comm Denali II's, Bose X,
Sigtonics, Lightspeed 20's & 30G's. With the exception of a few $100
headsets the DC's were the lease comfortable, poorest performing of the
lot. If I were buying headsets today I prefer the Zulu and I do like my
Bose but don't think they are the "ultimate" any more. I actually like
my Denali's too.
Comfort & performance, the DC's I have used had neither.
Sometimes there are discounts during SNF, maybe you could take advantage
of that or ask someone at SNF to report back any deals.
Party pooper,
Robin
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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Headsets
Guys I am looking at getting 2 David Clark H 10 -13 4 headsets and I see
that a stereo model is available. It isnt much more in price and was
wondering if anyone thinks it is worth getting over the standard model.
Shall import them from USA as the prices here are rediculous!
Chris VH-ICY
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Thanks Bob great answer I am upgrading my poverty panel as well and will be
putting in a Garmin GMA 340 audio panel which I believe is stereo but will
find out
regards chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Headsets
>
> The answer is, "How is your plane wired?"
> If you have stereo jacks in place, then using mono headphones will result
> in shorting out one channel (which your audio panel should but may not
> handle okay). When you play music, you'll only hear one side of the music
> (but in both ears).
>
> If you have mono jacks in place, then with stereo phones you will hear no
> sound in one ear.
>
> Many headphones have switches to semi-fix these problems (e.g., convert
> stereo headphones to mono); there are also adapters available.
>
> I'm wiring for stereo; with CD's, XM, etc., I can tell a small improvement
> with stereo vs mono in the sound quality of the music. Of course, for the
> radio and intercom, it makes no difference. So it only matters for stereo
> music.
>
> One small note: The original Garmin audio panels were wired in such a way
> that they are "fail safe", e.g., if the audio panel power is turned off,
> you can still hear the #1 com - but this only works if you have a stereo
> headset! (Or use a stereo to mono adapter).
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239200#239200
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>
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RE: RV10-List: Phase IThanks Robin I have a open mind but cost is a huge
factor on fireman wages.
Chris
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From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headsets
Chris,
It sounds like you have settled on your headset choice
so I won't push too hard ESPECIALLY because I have never tried the DC
10-13's but I have owned David Clark's, Flight Comm Denali II's, Bose X,
Sigtonics, Lightspeed 20's & 30G's. With the exception of a few $100
headsets the DC's were the lease comfortable, poorest performing of the
lot. If I were buying headsets today I prefer the Zulu and I do like my
Bose but don't think they are the "ultimate" any more. I actually like
my Denali's too.
Comfort & performance, the DC's I have used had neither.
Sometimes there are discounts during SNF, maybe you could take
advantage of that or ask someone at SNF to report back any deals.
Party pooper,
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:19 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Headsets
Guys I am looking at getting 2 David Clark H 10 -13 4 headsets and I
see that a stereo model is available. It isnt much more in price and was
wondering if anyone thinks it is worth getting over the standard model.
Shall import them from USA as the prices here are rediculous!
Chris VH-ICY
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The Garmin 340 does support stereo music. It's also the panel I referred to - the
"fail safe" com 1 radio goes to the ring, or middle, connector, so it will
fail to be fail safe if you use a mono plug!
I have flown behind both the 340 and the PS8000 panel (same plane). If you are
really interested in music, the PS8000 is audibly superior (and I am not a music
critic) even in a noisy airplane. If you're not all that into music, they perform
pretty much the same otherwise (Garmin has a manual intercom squelch but
in my experience it worked just fine) and the 340 is less expensive.
I also much prefer how the PS panel lets you switch the music between front and
rear. The newer Garmin panel (347?) imitates the PS8000 in this and other ways.
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10-4 on saving where one can.
I picked up 4 used Denali's for less than $200 each. Maybe that is why I
like them so much.
Aren't the DC 10-13's near $600 ea. Delivered?
Good luck
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headsets
Thanks Robin I have a open mind but cost is a huge factor on fireman
wages.
Chris
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From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headsets
Chris,
It sounds like you have settled on your headset
choice so I won't push too hard ESPECIALLY because I have never tried
the DC 10-13's but I have owned David Clark's, Flight Comm Denali II's,
Bose X, Sigtonics, Lightspeed 20's & 30G's. With the exception of a few
$100 headsets the DC's were the lease comfortable, poorest performing of
the lot. If I were buying headsets today I prefer the Zulu and I do like
my Bose but don't think they are the "ultimate" any more. I actually
like my Denali's too.
Comfort & performance, the DC's I have used had neither.
Sometimes there are discounts during SNF, maybe you could take
advantage of that or ask someone at SNF to report back any deals.
Party pooper,
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:19 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Headsets
Guys I am looking at getting 2 David Clark H 10 -13 4 headsets
and I see that a stereo model is available. It isnt much more in price
and was wondering if anyone thinks it is worth getting over the standard
model.
Shall import them from USA as the prices here are rediculous!
Chris VH-ICY
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RE: RV10-List: Phase IRobin about $440 AUS .I get them sent to Florida
where a mate sends them as a present so i pay no tax.
I have seen them here in shops for $660 AUS . Now thats a mark up!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headsets
10-4 on saving where one can.
I picked up 4 used Denali's for less than $200 each. Maybe that is why
I like them so much.
Aren't the DC 10-13's near $600 ea. Delivered?
Good luck
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:33 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headsets
Thanks Robin I have a open mind but cost is a huge factor on fireman
wages.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headsets
Chris,
It sounds like you have settled on your headset
choice so I won't push too hard ESPECIALLY because I have never tried
the DC 10-13's but I have owned David Clark's, Flight Comm Denali II's,
Bose X, Sigtonics, Lightspeed 20's & 30G's. With the exception of a few
$100 headsets the DC's were the lease comfortable, poorest performing of
the lot. If I were buying headsets today I prefer the Zulu and I do like
my Bose but don't think they are the "ultimate" any more. I actually
like my Denali's too.
Comfort & performance, the DC's I have used had neither.
Sometimes there are discounts during SNF, maybe you could take
advantage of that or ask someone at SNF to report back any deals.
Party pooper,
Robin
Do Not Archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:19 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Headsets
Guys I am looking at getting 2 David Clark H 10 -13 4 headsets and I
see that a stereo model is available. It isnt much more in price and was
wondering if anyone thinks it is worth getting over the standard model.
Shall import them from USA as the prices here are rediculous!
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| Subject: | Re: Door Closed switches or not |
Amen: The 10 should have front hinged doors like Piper - muuuccch safer
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| Subject: | Rubberized baffle seal material - how much |
How many inches of the cowl seal material should extend above the aluminum baffle
material?
>From looking at the pics that I took at OSH it seems that to leave about 3" extended
is the standard. Seems like a lot or is that the norm?
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| Subject: | Aircraft Door Seals vs Vans seal |
Has anyone purchase the product sold by:
AircraftDoorSeals.com
Also - did you put it on the door or the frame?
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Door Seals vs Vans seal |
I have their initial product on the frame of my Mooney. I obtained and will
install their newer product on the door.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Has anyone purchase the product sold by:
>
> AircraftDoorSeals.com
>
> Also - did you put it on the door or the frame?
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