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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Defrost fans (Michael Wellenzohn)
2. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (McGANN, Ron)
3. 02:12 AM - to michael Wellenzohn (Chris and Susie)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: to michael Wellenzohn (Michael Wellenzohn)
5. 11:12 AM - Re: cowl heat shield photos? (nukeflyboy)
6. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: cowl heat shield photos? (Michael Kraus)
7. 02:40 PM - Fuel pump and totalizer grounding (woxofswa)
8. 03:04 PM - Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
9. 04:14 PM - Re: Van's engine special (Andrew Johnson)
10. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
11. 04:49 PM - Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
12. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Ben Westfall)
13. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Robin Marks)
14. 05:52 PM - Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding (Chris)
15. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
16. 07:37 PM - W&B update (David McNeill)
17. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Ben Westfall)
18. 09:19 PM - Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling (pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Here is what I did. you'll find more on my new webpage under panel-work.
Cheers
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Hey all,
Given my recent experiences with the door magnets and affects on the
compass/magnetometer, just a gentle reminder to consider the magnetic
fields typically generated by DC motors when setting out your panel.
Cheers,
Ron
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Wellenzohn
Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
<rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
Here is what I did. you'll find more on my new webpage under panel-work.
Cheers
Michael
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| Subject: | to michael Wellenzohn |
Hi Michael your a hard bloke to contact! All the emails to you months ago
bounced back.Perhaps your email filter thinks my email is spam?
I wanted to tell you I could not take your friend from over there for a fly
due to the major bush fires over here. You may have heard about it over 170
died. being a fireman you can imagine I was flat out for weeks.
I love your panel and are going to upgrade mine and were thinking of
something like yours!
Its a bit hard with the pics as quite small are you using the advanced deck?
Hows the better half?
Please email direct vhicy at bigpond.com
Chris VH-ICY
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| Subject: | Re: to michael Wellenzohn |
Hi Chris,
I'll check whats up with my mail filter. Good to hear from you.
I'll mail you off-forum.
Cheers
Michael
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: cowl heat shield photos? |
Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at that. What
do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to the adhesive backed reflective
material (like aluminum tape) that Van's sells then OK. If you mean
something else, then what is it?
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: cowl heat shield photos? |
FWIW, I used the sticky backed heat shield from Van's in my RV-4
cowl. After several hours of use, the heat melted the adhesive and
most of it came loose. I purchased more and the second time I
squeegied a thin layer of high temp silicone over the sticky backed
adhesive, layed it in place and used a plastic squeegie to smooth it
out. It hasn't moved in 300 hours...... I'm going to do the same on
the -10.
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On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:09 PM, "nukeflyboy" <flymoore@charter.net> wrote:
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> Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at
> that. What do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to
> the adhesive backed reflective material (like aluminum tape) that
> Van's sells then OK. If you mean something else, then what is it?
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Fuel pump and totalizer grounding |
I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose on the
brain trust with a question.
For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to structure
in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to the bus?
Thanks in advance.
This electron voodoo is new to me.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding |
Motors and sensors are best grounded to a central ground...I have all my grounds
grounded to central ground on the firewall...but you WILL get different opinions...now
back to the airplane!!
Rick S.
40185
Outta parts!!!
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From: woxofswa
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding
I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose on the
brain trust with a question.
For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to structure
in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to the bus?
Thanks in advance.
This electron voodoo is new to me.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944
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| Subject: | Re: Van's engine special |
No kidding. And they want the engine/prop completely paid for by 15
May...that's more than I've spent on the entire project thus far.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's engine special
>
> Interesting that Vans and Lycoming think that the market will support
> a price increase in a recession. Sure hope some other vendors see this
> as an opportunity to increase their business.
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Dave Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>> In case you did not see this...
>>
>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/open/Sun_N_Fun_Special.pdf
>>
>> I ordered a Hartzell prop and XIO-540 from Van's today.
>> (Thanks Pascal.)
>>
>> Dave Leikam
>> RV-10 #40496
>> N89DA (Reserved)
>> Muskego, WI
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole
thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in
the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I
found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the
doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend.
Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson
n277dl wrote:
>
> group...
>
> how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat piece
if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling |
I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front
cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of the
work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I know
others have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, I'm
unable to rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even with a
few pop rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind 8amp
alternator.
Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go
given the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the engine on.
Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then I
traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four inside
the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up to the
line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or
jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the garage
buried in fiberglass dust.
-Ben Westfall
#40579
Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole
thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in
the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I
found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the
doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend.
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Agreed. Should not be any different than leading edge HID landing light
openings with the exception of greater curvature.
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then
I
traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four
inside
the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up to
the
line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or
jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the
garage
buried in fiberglass dust.
-Ben Westfall
#40579
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding |
I'll second this opinion. Single point ground for anything that might make
noise, per Bob.
Chris
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding
>
> Motors and sensors are best grounded to a central ground...I have all my
> grounds grounded to central ground on the firewall...but you WILL get
> different opinions...now back to the airplane!!
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Outta parts!!!
> ------Original Message------
> From: woxofswa
> Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Rv
> ReplyTo: Rv
> Sent: Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding
>
>
> I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose
> on the brain trust with a question.
>
> For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to
> structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to
> the bus?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> This electron voodoo is new to me.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Great pics! I just want to add that I did the same cut for the HID per
Tim, using the same HF tool. That was the hairiest procedure I've done
on the plane to date... and that was 2+ years ago. WooHoo! I mean that
curve seemed to me to be the minimum possible with that saw and that
blade. It's a crude, noisy, vibrating, non-featherable tool. So the
greater curvature for the fan is a good thing.
In retrospect I should have done the same for the fans. But if you are
doing the cut for the HIDs, eat your Wheaties first. I'm still a bit
shaken by how close to disaster the whole process was. But it turned
out well. I'd probably use my die grinder and some files now. I've
learned to love files.
Really great pics. I would have used a drum type sander on my die
grinder. I don't use the flat face sander as much as I should. Both
sanders are handy tools.
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Agreed. Should not be any different than leading edge HID landing
> light openings with the exception of greater curvature.
>
> HID Lights Small (6).jpgHID Lights Small (7).jpg
>
> 100_2295 Small.jpg
>
>
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then I
>
> traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four
> inside
>
> the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up
> to the
>
> line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or
>
> jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the garage
>
> buried in fiberglass dust.
>
>
>
> -Ben Westfall
>
> #40579
>
>
>
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Just completed the first annual and re weighed after installing the extra
battery. The new weight is 1666 and a cg of 108.13. installing the 680 on
the firewall moved the CG about an inch forward. I won't feel any anxiety
loading 100 pounds in the baggage area (35 pounds of tools and 65 pounds of
family things). Based on a previous weight I calculate the battery at 15 and
the paint at 21.
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Here are the pics of the work in progress. I didn't seem to take any
pictures of the finished product. For those that plan to use the body saw
and are worried about that tight corners use your step drill to open it up
so all you have to do is cut straight lines. I know I did that but damned
if I can find a picture.
I do remember thinking "am I really going to cut into this perfectly formed
leading edge?" I think I backed off with the drill about 3 times before I
could work up the nerve.
Ben Westfall
#40579
Great pics! I just want to add that I did the same cut for the HID per
Tim, using the same HF tool. That was the hairiest procedure I've done
on the plane to date... and that was 2+ years ago. WooHoo! I mean that
curve seemed to me to be the minimum possible with that saw and that
blade. It's a crude, noisy, vibrating, non-featherable tool. So the
greater curvature for the fan is a good thing.
In retrospect I should have done the same for the fans. But if you are
doing the cut for the HIDs, eat your Wheaties first. I'm still a bit
shaken by how close to disaster the whole process was. But it turned
out well. I'd probably use my die grinder and some files now. I've
learned to love files.
Really great pics. I would have used a drum type sander on my die
grinder. I don't use the flat face sander as much as I should. Both
sanders are handy tools.
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| Subject: | Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling |
Have you tried just using the hoist and lifting the engine weight off the
plane? seems a little easier than removing it all together.
Good information BTW!
Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front
cowling
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front
> cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of the
> work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I know others
> have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, I'm unable to
> rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even with a few pop
> rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind 8amp alternator.
>
> Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go given
> the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the engine on.
>
> Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson
>
>
>
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