---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/23/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Re: Defrost fans (Michael Wellenzohn) 2. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (McGANN, Ron) 3. 02:12 AM - to michael Wellenzohn (Chris and Susie) 4. 05:29 AM - Re: to michael Wellenzohn (Michael Wellenzohn) 5. 11:12 AM - Re: cowl heat shield photos? (nukeflyboy) 6. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: cowl heat shield photos? (Michael Kraus) 7. 02:40 PM - Fuel pump and totalizer grounding (woxofswa) 8. 03:04 PM - Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 9. 04:14 PM - Re: Van's engine special (Andrew Johnson) 10. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 11. 04:49 PM - Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 12. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Ben Westfall) 13. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Robin Marks) 14. 05:52 PM - Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding (Chris) 15. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 16. 07:37 PM - W&B update (David McNeill) 17. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Ben Westfall) 18. 09:19 PM - Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling (pascal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:53 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Here is what I did. you'll find more on my new webpage under panel-work. Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240864#240864 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_2_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_fan_205.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans From: "McGANN, Ron" Hey all, Given my recent experiences with the door magnets and affects on the compass/magnetometer, just a gentle reminder to consider the magnetic fields typically generated by DC motors when setting out your panel. Cheers, Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 4:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Here is what I did. you'll find more on my new webpage under panel-work. Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240864#240864 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_2_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_fan_205.jpg "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:31 AM PST US From: "Chris and Susie" Subject: RV10-List: to michael Wellenzohn Hi Michael your a hard bloke to contact! All the emails to you months ago bounced back.Perhaps your email filter thinks my email is spam? I wanted to tell you I could not take your friend from over there for a fly due to the major bush fires over here. You may have heard about it over 170 died. being a fireman you can imagine I was flat out for weeks. I love your panel and are going to upgrade mine and were thinking of something like yours! Its a bit hard with the pics as quite small are you using the advanced deck? Hows the better half? Please email direct vhicy at bigpond.com Chris VH-ICY ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:08 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: to michael Wellenzohn From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hi Chris, I'll check whats up with my mail filter. Good to hear from you. I'll mail you off-forum. Cheers Michael DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240881#240881 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:33 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: cowl heat shield photos? From: "nukeflyboy" Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at that. What do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to the adhesive backed reflective material (like aluminum tape) that Van's sells then OK. If you mean something else, then what is it? -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240931#240931 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:43 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: cowl heat shield photos? FWIW, I used the sticky backed heat shield from Van's in my RV-4 cowl. After several hours of use, the heat melted the adhesive and most of it came loose. I purchased more and the second time I squeegied a thin layer of high temp silicone over the sticky backed adhesive, layed it in place and used a plastic squeegie to smooth it out. It hasn't moved in 300 hours...... I'm going to do the same on the -10. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:09 PM, "nukeflyboy" wrote: > > Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at > that. What do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to > the adhesive backed reflective material (like aluminum tape) that > Van's sells then OK. If you mean something else, then what is it? > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240931#240931 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:42 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding From: "woxofswa" I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose on the brain trust with a question. For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to the bus? Thanks in advance. This electron voodoo is new to me. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding From: ricksked@embarqmail.com Motors and sensors are best grounded to a central ground...I have all my grounds grounded to central ground on the firewall...but you WILL get different opinions...now back to the airplane!! Rick S. 40185 Outta parts!!! ------Original Message------ From: woxofswa Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose on the brain trust with a question. For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to the bus? Thanks in advance. This electron voodoo is new to me. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:06 PM PST US From: "Andrew Johnson" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's engine special No kidding. And they want the engine/prop completely paid for by 15 May...that's more than I've spent on the entire project thus far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's engine special > > Interesting that Vans and Lycoming think that the market will support > a price increase in a recession. Sure hope some other vendors see this > as an opportunity to increase their business. > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Dave Leikam wrote: >> In case you did not see this... >> >> http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/open/Sun_N_Fun_Special.pdf >> >> I ordered a Hartzell prop and XIO-540 from Van's today. >> (Thanks Pascal.) >> >> Dave Leikam >> RV-10 #40496 >> N89DA (Reserved) >> Muskego, WI >> >> do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:17 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson n277dl wrote: > > group... > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > Thanks, > Doug > > -------- > Doug > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:08 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: RV10-List: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of the work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I know others have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, I'm unable to rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even with a few pop rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind 8amp alternator. Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go given the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the engine on. Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:58 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then I traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four inside the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up to the line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the garage buried in fiberglass dust. -Ben Westfall #40579 Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4031 (20090423) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans From: "Robin Marks" Agreed. Should not be any different than leading edge HID landing light openings with the exception of greater curvature. Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then I traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four inside the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up to the line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the garage buried in fiberglass dust. -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:07 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding I'll second this opinion. Single point ground for anything that might make noise, per Bob. Chris #40072 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding > > Motors and sensors are best grounded to a central ground...I have all my > grounds grounded to central ground on the firewall...but you WILL get > different opinions...now back to the airplane!! > > Rick S. > 40185 > Outta parts!!! > ------Original Message------ > From: woxofswa > Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > To: Rv > ReplyTo: Rv > Sent: Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding > > > I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose > on the brain trust with a question. > > For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to > structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to > the bus? > > Thanks in advance. > > This electron voodoo is new to me. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944 > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:49 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Great pics! I just want to add that I did the same cut for the HID per Tim, using the same HF tool. That was the hairiest procedure I've done on the plane to date... and that was 2+ years ago. WooHoo! I mean that curve seemed to me to be the minimum possible with that saw and that blade. It's a crude, noisy, vibrating, non-featherable tool. So the greater curvature for the fan is a good thing. In retrospect I should have done the same for the fans. But if you are doing the cut for the HIDs, eat your Wheaties first. I'm still a bit shaken by how close to disaster the whole process was. But it turned out well. I'd probably use my die grinder and some files now. I've learned to love files. Really great pics. I would have used a drum type sander on my die grinder. I don't use the flat face sander as much as I should. Both sanders are handy tools. Robin Marks wrote: > > Agreed. Should not be any different than leading edge HID landing > light openings with the exception of greater curvature. > > HID Lights Small (6).jpgHID Lights Small (7).jpg > > 100_2295 Small.jpg > > > > Robin > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > > > > > > > I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then I > > traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four > inside > > the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up > to the > > line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or > > jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the garage > > buried in fiberglass dust. > > > > -Ben Westfall > > #40579 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:23 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: W&B update Just completed the first annual and re weighed after installing the extra battery. The new weight is 1666 and a cg of 108.13. installing the 680 on the firewall moved the CG about an inch forward. I won't feel any anxiety loading 100 pounds in the baggage area (35 pounds of tools and 65 pounds of family things). Based on a previous weight I calculate the battery at 15 and the paint at 21. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:57 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Here are the pics of the work in progress. I didn't seem to take any pictures of the finished product. For those that plan to use the body saw and are worried about that tight corners use your step drill to open it up so all you have to do is cut straight lines. I know I did that but damned if I can find a picture. I do remember thinking "am I really going to cut into this perfectly formed leading edge?" I think I backed off with the drill about 3 times before I could work up the nerve. Ben Westfall #40579 Great pics! I just want to add that I did the same cut for the HID per Tim, using the same HF tool. That was the hairiest procedure I've done on the plane to date... and that was 2+ years ago. WooHoo! I mean that curve seemed to me to be the minimum possible with that saw and that blade. It's a crude, noisy, vibrating, non-featherable tool. So the greater curvature for the fan is a good thing. In retrospect I should have done the same for the fans. But if you are doing the cut for the HIDs, eat your Wheaties first. I'm still a bit shaken by how close to disaster the whole process was. But it turned out well. I'd probably use my die grinder and some files now. I've learned to love files. Really great pics. I would have used a drum type sander on my die grinder. I don't use the flat face sander as much as I should. Both sanders are handy tools. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4031 (20090423) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:16 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling Have you tried just using the hoist and lifting the engine weight off the plane? seems a little easier than removing it all together. Good information BTW! Thanks! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling > > > I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front > cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of the > work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I know others > have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, I'm unable to > rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even with a few pop > rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind 8amp alternator. > > Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go given > the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the engine on. > > Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.