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1. 05:44 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Patrick Thyssen)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (David McNeill)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Rene Felker)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: random rivet hole in fuel tank (Johnson)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Don McDonald)
7. 08:53 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Michael Kraus)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
9. 09:31 AM - Re: final door trim (Bob and Karen Brown)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (John Cox)
11. 10:20 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (John Cox)
12. 10:48 AM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
13. 12:11 PM - Re: "forest of tabs" location on firewall (John Testement)
14. 12:44 PM - Re: "forest of tabs" location on firewall (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
15. 01:29 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Patrick Thyssen)
16. 01:30 PM - 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info (bcondrey)
17. 01:39 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
18. 02:14 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Patrick Thyssen)
19. 02:33 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Kevin Belue)
20. 03:23 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Patrick Thyssen)
21. 03:47 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (Ben Westfall)
22. 06:52 PM - Heat vent pressure (pascal)
23. 11:04 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
24. 11:09 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:18 PM - Re: 5 Seat RV-10 (John Cox)
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Maybe a good time to make a few friends in the Velocity crowd and ask a few
pointed questions.
Velocity advertizes a 5-place version of the XL. If memory serves, there is
no change to the airframe - just bucket seats out, bench seat in, add a
belt. And obey the W&B chart.
neal
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The question sounds like ...."Has anyone successfully gotten the FAA to
approved a four POB amateur built kit single engine aircraft as a five in
their Ops Limitation?"
I know of several pilots who have ignored the limitation cause the weight
was within W&B and flew with five soles. The policy becomes automatically
voidable. Someone should ask Sky Smith.
John Cox
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I don't agree that a bench seat automatically means it's a 5 seat aircraft.
I also don't see that putting three kids in the back is necessarily a
violation of the oplims as long as you have a way to properly restrain
everyone and don't exceed weights or CG's. I'm sure there are people wiser
than me in the regs that can chime in though, just my opinion and has no
basis in legal fact. J
Michael
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You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A=0A =0AI think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T =0ATELL.
=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron =0AGleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat =0ARV-10
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and
have built a bench seat =0A in the back to fly my three young daughte
rs at least for the next few =0A years until they outgrow it.- I cal
led-my insurance broker that =0A is currently insuring my RV-8A, and
they said there were no insurance =0A companies willing to provide in
surance for a 5 seat RV-10.--Does =0A anyone else have a 5 seat RV
?- Have you been able to-insure a 5 =0A seat RV?- Did you-regi
ster the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 =0A seat?- =0A -=0A Aa
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who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating
Certainly not Vans or the FAA
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the
back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until
they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my
RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide
insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you
been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or
a 5 seat?
Aaron
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I think it is how it is registered..just my opinion..
See the number of 5 seaters...also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt
&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating
Certainly not Vans or the FAA
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the
back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until
they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my
RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide
insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you
been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or
a 5 seat?
Aaron
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| Subject: | Re: random rivet hole in fuel tank |
I believe that is just there to let you kinow you have the baffle in the
right way...not upside down. Its only on the bottom. Machine and rivit it
with the rest.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: random rivet hole in fuel tank
>
> I am working on the fuel tanks and noticed a hole on the fuel tank skin to
> baffle on the bottom of the wing. It is in line with the rest of the
> machine countersunk holes and is about in the middle on the bottom. I
> can't find in the plans what this goes to and if it gets riveted. I
> assume it does but it doesn't show it riveted in the plans. Anyone else
> know what this is?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> A&P, ATP
> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
> RV-10 FUEL TANKS
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242155#242155
>
>
>
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As kind of an outsider looking in, it seems that it doesn't matter at all w
hat the FAA regs say,=C2-the insurance company will say and do whatever t
hey want to better their position.=C2- If they can invent something that
keeps them from paying off, they will.
If the only accidents we had concerning the RV10 involved pilots with hours
in excess of 2,000 hours, who do you think the rate increase would fall on
....... I suspect it would be the new or low time pilot.
Don
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
From: Rene Felker <rene@felker.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think it is how it is registered.just my opinion
=C2-
See the number of 5 seaters..also the number of 2 seaters?
=C2-
=C2-
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrt
xt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
=C2-
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=C2-
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Ce
rtainly not Vans or the FAA
=C2-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
=C2-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the
back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until
they outgrow it.=C2- I called=C2-my insurance broker that is currently
insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing
to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10.=C2-=C2-Does anyone else have a
5 seat RV?=C2- Have you been able to=C2-insure a 5 seat RV?=C2- Did
you=C2-register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?=C2-
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: 5 Seat RV-10 |
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
> I think it is how it is registered.just my opinion
>
>
> See the number of 5 seaters..also the number of 2 seaters?
>
>
>
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfr
txt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of David McNeill
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
>
>
> who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved
> seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
>
>
> You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
>
> I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
>
> I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat
> in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next
> few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that
> is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no
> insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat
> RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to
> insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5
> seat?
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
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Pretty cool huh!
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
I think it is how it is registered....just my opinion......
See the number of 5 seaters.....also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mf
r
txt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved
seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in
the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years
until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently
insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies
willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have
a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you
register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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Whoa, nothing like a gang stomp when one is wrong, lol. I apologize for
making the incorrect suggestion on the micro issue. I wasn't weighing in on
the appropriate of use issue (micro vs cabosil or other additives) in the
mixture, only answering the original question which was posed as a lack of
viscosity in a micro/flox mixture, where if you want more resistance to
flow, you'd add more micro. I'd be interested to know if there are ranges
of blends where specific physical qualities of additives are varied in a
wider mix blend range, ie, flox/mico/cabosil or micro/chopped silica or
flox/chopped silica etc. Generally as technologies evolve, they evolve in
the direction of more complex mixes of previously known materials.
Thanks to everyone for posting the correct material of choice in the doore
edge application. I'll also add that if you REALLY need resistance to
impact, I used to sell an additive to the automotive paint industry that
makes paint more impact resistant, and it follows the same logic laid out
above for why (one of the reasons) cabosil is recommended to be used rather
than micro, and that is density. Though the specific gravity of the base
material in Cabosil is the same as micro (about 2.4) , volume for volume
cabosil is more dense than micro, as micro is mostly air.
The material that is used by the automotive paint industry to add impact
(chip) resistance to both one part and two part paints is a fine grind of
barium sulfate (barite). It also has the side benefit of adding more
brilliance to any color and reducing the amount of pigment needed for any
color. Barite is what makes paint heavy. Barite replaced calcium carbonate
in this application even though it is much more expensive. Silica has a
specific gravity of about 2.4, barite has a specific gravity of 4.3. That
difference in density of the additive makes the final paint it more
resistant to chipping and impact. Fine barite is also a common additive in
sound insulation on aircraft, where its high density also reduces
transmitted sound and allows a thin heavy layer of insulation to deaden
sound more effectively than a thicker, less dense material. More useless
but interesting information.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim
One thing I haven't really seen mentioned is why micro is a bad idea for
anything structural or that takes a beating and some people might not know.
Microballoons are just that, little hollow glass or phenolic spheres that
are mostly air. This is why they are so light and can be sanded easy, but
unfortunately adding a mostly air filler to a structure will just weaken it.
The primary exception to this is when you are preparing foam for composite
work but I won't go there. J
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim
John's right, you don't want to use micro near the edge of the door opening.
The door and other things tend to touch the edge pretty regularly so it
needs to be filled with something tough like flox or milled fibers. Micro
will crack and chip.
Cabosil (Aircraft Spruce P/N 01-04711) will help thicken the resin to keep
it from running. You'll need some for bonding the door skins together if
you haven't already.
And yes, we do have Composites for RV-10s coming up in a few days, May 9 and
10. We have a few seats available, and we cover all this stuff, and more:
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/seminars.htm
We are still looking for a nearby kit that needs the top fit to the
fuselage. If you're intersted, we do it for you in a couple hours, no
charge. I can pick up and deliver around the Bay Area.
Thanks John!
Dave Saylor
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831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim
Everyone needs to cut Gary's comment for framing and paste it to the wall
near the epoxy and micro supply. Don't make the mistake others have done by
the dozens.
To use Thomas Paine's quote, immortalized by Robert Nuckolls - "a long habit
of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being
right".
Micro gives volume with little gain in weight, and a false perception of
structural strength. Epoxy has tremendous gain in weight for the same
quantity. Epoxy's job is to bridge the stress forces across fibers, strands
or filaments to complete the creation of a composite. More epoxy "Resin
Rich" destroys that objective.
This would be a great time to plug for the filling of those last seats at
Dave Saylor's RV-1 composite class coming up.
John Cox
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim
Cabosil is a better choice. You have flox for strength but you are
weakening it with micro. Flox and cabosil is the way to go.
Gary Specketer
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Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim
It's not thick enough. Add more micro.
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Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim
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Still wondering if anyone got their DAR to approve 5 soles for a 4 POB
kit (Who specifically?). Also wondering which insurance company accepts
5 POB regardless of being under gross weight? Testing for the approval
of the kit (N410RV) was done 4 POB and not to exceed 260hp at 2700 lbs.
The EAA tends to say a modification not to exceed 10% is within the Ops
Limit to avoid a new Phase ONE requirement. Isn't there a disclaimer
that the manufacturer did 51% of the tasks and complied with the kit
(parts) fabricators FAA approval process?
There are lots of things done in the real world of a questionable
ethical nature which make a policy voidable. Often the underwriter
looks the other way to clear the claim when it was not blatant. The
underwriter knows the claim payout is spread over the remain policy
holders in the years ahead.
My cowl design should allow for angle valve Lycoming heads and roller
lifters and twin turbo mods which will clearly be over the fence on the
original N410RV.
Dave, you know it's the DAR who approves the Limitations within their
limited authority. It is the FAA that grants final issuance and it is
the boldness of the builder/manufacturer who asks for an insurance
policy to provide a financial cushion to the surviving family/estate
members. Doing it and getting insurance after FAA approval is a
question worth listening for the answer.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think it is how it is registered....just my opinion......
See the number of 5 seaters.....also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mf
r
txt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating
Certainly not Vans or the FAA
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in
the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years
until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently
insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies
willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have
a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you
register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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Maybe each cheek counts as a seat. If Bob concurs, I stand corrected on
4 Belts. Maybe Jeffrey Dennis , Ken Smith or Bob will share the
accuracy of the government filing and names of both their DARs and
insurance underwriters with some of us ;-)
YES! too cool for the Young Eagle Program
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Pretty cool huh!
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
I think it is how it is registered....just my opinion......
See the number of 5 seaters.....also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mf
r
txt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved
seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in
the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years
until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently
insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies
willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have
a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you
register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is
where things get fouled up - it's the clerk that reads the info from the
multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB.
The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for
them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to
head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she
did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats
which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you
actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of
military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes
since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the
info is there it's a huge amount of effort to change. You'll also note
that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full
name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Maybe each cheek counts as a seat. If Bob concurs, I stand corrected on
4 Belts. Maybe Jeffrey Dennis , Ken Smith or Bob will share the
accuracy of the government filing and names of both their DARs and
insurance underwriters with some of us ;-)
YES! too cool for the Young Eagle Program
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Pretty cool huh!
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
I think it is how it is registered....just my opinion......
See the number of 5 seaters.....also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mf
r
txt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved
seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in
the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years
until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently
insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies
willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have
a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you
register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
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| Subject: | "forest of tabs" location on firewall |
Rob,
I put mine of the inside of the firewall on the far left and ran a #2 ground
from the rear battery. On the engine side I ran a braided cable from the
mounting bolt to the engine. There was really nothing to ground on the
engine side of the firewall. As it ended up most of the grounds came from
the avionics and I put 3 10-tab ground 'buses' (got from Stein) next to/on
the avionics stack.
John Testement
N311RV flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "forest of tabs" location on firewall
This has worked well for me so far... at least no regrets so far. You can
locate this by reference to the brake fluid resevoir. Access to the cockpit
side is primarily thru one of the holes the plans suggest you make in the
instrument panel bulkhead. I'm wiring it up now.
Bill "wiring like crazy" Watson
Rob Kochman wrote:
I'm trying to do much of the wiring on my -10 now, so I need to put the
common ground somewhere. Does anyone have know of a good place to put the
B&C "forest of tabs" on the firewall (both sides of the firewall, as
described in Bob's book)? I'll be doing the FWF by the plans (except for
the grounds, I suppose).
Thanks...
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| Subject: | "forest of tabs" location on firewall |
There are a number of potential items on the engine side of the firewall
are pressure senders, pressure switches, hall effect current sensor,
tach generator for RPM pickup, etc. Depending on your installation you
might have all, none or any combination. Also, some sensors will ground
through the case and others have a ground wire. I think I've got 4
items grounded on the engine side of the firewall.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Testement
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: "forest of tabs" location on firewall
Rob,
I put mine of the inside of the firewall on the far left and ran a #2
ground from the rear battery. On the engine side I ran a braided cable
from the mounting bolt to the engine. There was really nothing to ground
on the engine side of the firewall. As it ended up most of the grounds
came from the avionics and I put 3 10-tab ground 'buses' (got from
Stein) next to/on the avionics stack.
John Testement
N311RV flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Mauledriver Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "forest of tabs" location on firewall
This has worked well for me so far... at least no regrets so far. You
can locate this by reference to the brake fluid resevoir. Access to the
cockpit side is primarily thru one of the holes the plans suggest you
make in the instrument panel bulkhead. I'm wiring it up now.
Bill "wiring like crazy" Watson
Rob Kochman wrote:
I'm trying to do much of the wiring on my -10 now, so I need to put the
common ground somewhere. Does anyone have know of a good place to put
the B&C "forest of tabs" on the firewall (both sides of the firewall, as
described in Bob's book)? I'll be doing the FWF by the plans (except
for the grounds, I suppose).
Thanks...
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Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from
vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say addi
ng a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on bo
ard has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
=C2-Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
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addition to offering DAR services.=C2- She was getting=0Aready to head o
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have, not how the plane is=0Aregistered.=C2- You see a lot of military a
eroclubs that remove a couple seats for=0Ainsurance purposes since they foc
us mostly on flight training. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI made a call when I disc
overed the issue=0Abut it seems like once the info is there it=99s a
huge amount of effort to=0Achange.=C2- You=99ll also note that the
manufacturer field just has my last=0Aname even though my full name was on
the form and most other planes list full=0Anames. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ADAR w
as Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and=0Amy insurance is via SkySmith. =0A=0A
=C2- =0A=0ABob =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AN442PM (flying for a year now!) =0A=0A
=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-rv10-list-server@matron
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=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:19=0APM
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=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat=0ARV-10 =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AMaybe e
ach cheek=0Acounts as a seat.=C2- If Bob concurs, I stand corrected on 4
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ance underwriters with=0Asome of us ;-) =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AYES! too cool f
or=0Athe Young Eagle Program =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJohn =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv
10-list-server@matronics.com] On=0ABehalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat=0ARV-10 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AP
retty cool huh!=C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ABob =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On=0ABehalf Of Michael Kra
us
=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52=0AAM
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: 5 Seat=0ARV-10 =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AI
want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADo not archive
=0ASent from my iPhone =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AOn May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote: =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI think it is how it=0Ais registered.ju
st my opinion =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0ASee the number of 5=0Ase
aters..also the number of 2 seaters? =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=C2- =0A
=0Ahttp://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&m
frtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16 =0A=0A=C2- =0A
=0A=0A=0ARene' Felker =0A=0ARV-10 N423CF Flying =0A=0A=0A=0A801-721-6080
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owne
r-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]=0AOn Behalf Of David McNeill
=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat=0ARV-10 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0Awh
o is the manufacturer of the aircraft?=0Awho determines approved seating Ce
rtainly not Vans or the FAA =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-ser
ver@matronics.com]=0AOn Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10 =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
=0A Patrick Thyssen
=0A
=0A --- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>=0A wrote: =0A
=0A From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
=0A Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0A Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM =0A =0A I think this is a ca
se of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL. =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A From: owner-rv1
0-list-server@matronics.com=0A [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.co
m]=0A On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
=0A Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009=0A 5:16 PM
=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0A Subject: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A I'm
=0A getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in t
he back=0A to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few yea
rs until they=0A outgrow it.=C2- I called=C2-my insurance broker tha
t is currently=0A insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insuran
ce companies willing=0A to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10.=C2-
=C2-Does anyone else have a=0A 5 seat RV?=C2- Have you been able to
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| Subject: | 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info |
It's getting to be that time of year because phone calls and emails have started!
I've already talked to both Gary and Tim and we'll again facilitate getting
a group of camp sites together for RV-10 folks. It's still a bit early for
detailed planning but I'll be posting here and Tim will be supporting via his
web site with contact lists, calendar, etc.
Here's the info available so far:
- There will be a single group instead of two groups like last year
- Sites will be staked out about a week prior to show start; don't know the exact
date yet
- Cost is simply the cost of the camping sites * the number of days from when staked
until the end of the show. You pay in advance from the day the sites are
staked out until the end of the show. Cost this year is $21 per night and we
have traditionally staked them out the Sunday or Monday a week before show start
(last year was 13 nights). You pay me in advance and sites will be paid
for by check when they get staked out. EAA refunds the full amount for unused
days directly to you as you leave the campground if you leave early.
- There are usually at least a couple nights where we've had a big cookout and
put out a voluntary money jar to offset food cost. We have excess money left
from last year so there will again be a dedicated site to have a large open area
for gathering.
- Tim will post relevant info on his website. If you want to split the cost of the site because you are going to leave early or come late, that is where you'll find others to coordinate with. Some info from last year: www.myrv10.com/osh/Camping_FAQ.html
- We'll use our best judgment for the group location based on what's available
when we get there but it will be in the same area that we've been the last few
years which is immediately south of Pauls Park in Camp Scholler.
- Sites get tagged as required using a little logic based on size of the camper,
tent vs. Class A motorhome, whether youve got kids, etc. If you dont like the
location you can swap around when you get there.
- Well have your car pass, etc. at one of our sites and you simply call when you
get close and well meet you at the registration gate.
Besides being a great social environment, you get to interact with builders at
all stages and even some vendors and other notables. Stein showed up with free
tee shirts and hats one evening last year!
Ill post more info in a few weeks when it gets closer.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242332#242332
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Sorry, don't remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since
I've got the stock seat configuration.
Bob
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane
from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly
say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since
every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under
2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
wrote:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is
where things get fouled up - it's the clerk that reads the info from the
multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB.
The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for
them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to
head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she
did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats
which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you
actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of
military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes
since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the
info is there it's a huge amount of effort to change. You'll also note
that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full
name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also hav
e 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not w
ant to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just
said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual
. Eaa falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrot
e:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASorry, don=99t re
member the exact question.=C2-=0ANot a factor for me since I=99ve g
ot the stock seat configuration. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ABob =0A=0A =C2- =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On=0ABehalf Of Patrick Thyssen
=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat=0ARV-10 =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A =0A
=0A
=0A Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane
from=0A vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly
say adding=0A a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since ev
ery one on board=0A has to have their own with exception of child under 2y
rs.
=0A =C2-Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
=0A Patrick Thyssen
=0A --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (=0A US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.
com>=0A wrote: =0A
=0A From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
=0A Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0A Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM =0A =0A =0A Happy to share John
, but will point out that the registration=0A process is where things get
fouled up =93 it=99s the clerk that reads the info=0A from the
multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the=0A DB.
=C2- The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work
=0A for them in addition to offering DAR services.=C2- She was getting r
eady to=0A head over to the UK =0A to inspect some mods to a biz jet the
week after she did my plane.=C2- The=0A insurance paperwork simply asks
for number of seats which means (to me=0A anyway) that they care about how
many seats you actually have, not how the=0A plane is registered.=C2- Y
ou see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a=0A couple seats for insur
ance purposes since they focus mostly on flight=0A training. =0A =C2-
=0A I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once=0A t
he info is there it=99s a huge amount of effort to change.=C2- You
=99ll also=0A note that the manufacturer field just has my last name
even though my full name=0A was on the form and most other planes list fu
ll names. =0A =C2- =0A DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insu
rance is via=0A SkySmith. =0A =C2- =0A Bob =0A =C2- =0A N442PM (fl
ying for a year now!) =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A
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| Subject: | Re: 5 Seat RV-10 |
Your insurance cost is lower than mine - do you have ground hull
coverage or full coverage? Mine is $3600 for full coverage, 150k hull.
Kevin Belue
RV6A
RV10
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I
> also have 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would
> do, but did not want to have to get another type rating,& Hassle
> with big brother. so I just said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for
> $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual. Eaa falconcrest group.
> Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go
> figure.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
>
> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrote:
>
> From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:39 PM
>
> Sorry, don=99t remember the exact question. Not a factor for me
since
> I=99ve got the stock seat configuration.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
>
>
> Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my
> plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would
> certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth
> seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with
> exception of child under 2yrs.
> Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
> Patrick Thyssen
> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob ( US SSA)
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
>
> Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration
> process is where things get fouled up =93 it=99s the clerk
that reads
> the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and ente
> rs into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that
> does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. S
> he was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to
> a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork
> simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they
> care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is r
> egistered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple
> seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight trai
> ning.
>
>
> I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the
> info is there it=99s a huge amount of effort to change.
You=99ll
> also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even tho
> ugh my full name was on the form and most other planes list full nam
> es.
>
>
> DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> N442PM (flying for a year now!)
>
>
> http://www.matron="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://forums.matronics.com
> ">http:/======================
=
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 5 Seat RV-10 |
They both have full coverage. Been with falcon for 15+ yrs. RV 150k and 310
=C2- 155k. Enough time and no incidents in last 6 yrs. AP=C2- IA ATP
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Kevin Belue <kdbelue@charter.net> wrote:
From: Kevin Belue <kdbelue@charter.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A=0AYour insurance cost is lower than mine - do you have ground hull cove
rage or full coverage? Mine is $3600 for full coverage, 150k hull.
Kevin BelueRV6ARV10
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also hav
e 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not w
ant to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just
said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual
. Eaa falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrot
e:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASorry, don=99t remember
the exact question.=C2-=0ANot a factor for me since I=99ve got the
stock seat configuration. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ABob =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto
:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On=0ABehalf Of Patrick Thyssen
=0ASent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat=0ARV-10 =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A =0A
=0A
=0A Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane
from=0A vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly
say adding=0A a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since ev
ery one on board=0A has to have their own with exception of child under 2y
rs.
=0A =C2-Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
=0A Patrick Thyssen
=0A --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (=0A US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.
com>=0A wrote: =0A
=0A From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
=0A Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0A Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM =0A =0A =0A Happy to share John
, but will point out that the registration=0A process is where things get
fouled up =93 it=99s the clerk that reads the info=0A from the
multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the=0A DB.
=C2- The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work
=0A for them in addition to offering DAR services.=C2- She was getting r
eady to=0A head over to the UK =0A to inspect some mods to a biz jet the
week after she did my plane.=C2- The=0A insurance paperwork simply asks
for number of seats which means (to me=0A anyway) that they care about how
many seats you actually have, not how the=0A plane is registered.=C2- Y
ou see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a=0A couple seats for insur
ance purposes since they focus mostly on flight=0A training. =0A =C2-
=0A I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once=0A t
he info is there it=99s a huge amount of effort to change.=C2- You
=99ll also=0A note that the manufacturer field just has my last name
even though my full name=0A was on the form and most other planes list fu
ll names. =0A =C2- =0A DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insu
rance is via=0A SkySmith. =0A =C2- =0A Bob =0A =C2- =0A N442PM (fl
ying for a year now!) =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A
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You'd need hardpoints under the wings to get anywhere near that 12,500lb
number. Something tells me that's a real bitch on your insurance though.
-Ben
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also have
4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not want
to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just said
2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual. Eaa
falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
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| Subject: | Heat vent pressure |
With all the history of the tunnel heat coming from the heat vents I am
looking for (testing) information.
Anyone know about how much volume and pressure is coming out of the heat
muff when in flight? As an example for testing I would like to use a
heat gun/ hair dryer to see how much heat comes through the vents versus
the aluminum vents.
As a side note, I wanted to comment on the Plane Innovations Heat vents.
They really are built nicely, they are stainless steel that is spot
welded together, in the pursuit to build a vent that is completely
fireproof the doors have tabs inside and the cable clamps are also
stainless steel. My question above is to determine how much air is
actually forced through to determine how well the vents would work with
smoke and fire heat.
One thing is for sure, the plane innovations vents are far superior to
the flimsy aluminum one that come with the kit.
Pascal
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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following URL:
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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Tongue in cheek....It's good to know Sky Smith, your DAR and the FAA clerk
all count cheeks as the basis for 10.
Safe Flyin!
John Cox
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Sorry, don't remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since I've g
ot the stock seat configuration.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from
vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say addi
ng a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on bo
ard has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrot
e:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is wh
ere things get fouled up - it's the clerk that reads the info from the mult
i-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I
used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addit
ion to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK
to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The in
surance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway
) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane
is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple se
ats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info i
s there it's a huge amount of effort to change. You'll also note that the
manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on th
e form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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