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1. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: tow bars (Don McDonald)
2. 05:22 AM - RV-10 Builders Gathering (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: RV-10 Builders Gathering (Dave Leikam)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: RV-10 Builders Gathering (Steve Mills)
5. 12:25 PM - Andair Fuel Valve source (Bob Leffler)
6. 12:49 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve source (Tim Olson)
7. 01:11 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve source (Steven DiNieri)
8. 01:21 PM - Re: Interior paint under upholstery? (nukeflyboy)
9. 01:21 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve source (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 01:42 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve source (Bob Leffler)
11. 01:45 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve source (Eric_Kallio)
12. 02:31 PM - WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine (pascal)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
14. 02:45 PM - Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine (pilotdds@aol.com)
15. 02:49 PM - Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine (Kelly McMullen)
16. 03:02 PM - Re: tow bars (Ron B.)
17. 03:07 PM - Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine (Robin Marks)
18. 03:29 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve source (Ron B.)
19. 03:31 PM - Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine (Kelly McMullen)
20. 08:10 PM - Portable Scale (Robin Marks)
21. 08:35 PM - Re: Portable Scale (Tim Olson)
22. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:10 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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I bought the same tow bar, but modified it by cutting off the female connec
tions, and replaced it-by welding-male pins which insert directly insid
e the allen head bolt instead of capturing the bolt on the outside.-- T
he advantage is a much smaller hole.... or if you made the hole the same si
ze, you'd have a lot more forgiveness in making the connection.-
Don McDonald-
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From: greghale <ghale5224@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: tow bars
Thanks everyone for your input.- Now if I can figure a way to not damage
the nose wheel pant with the tow bar.-
Greg...
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www.nwacaptain.com
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders Gathering |
Last year the four partners in N44YH hosted a gathering of Wisconsin RV-10
builders for lunch at our hangar. This year we are again inviting over
the 'locals' but have decided to expand the invitation a bit to include
Illinois builders and folks on the list. This is an informal event,
mostly geared around meeting other builders, and sharing tales of RV's.
Lunch is on us, so if you are available please fell free to stop in. All
RV builders welcome, one, two, or four seats who are we to judge.
No sales pitch or strings attached, just a chance to get together with
other builders and share ideas, and stories.
Time: 10:30, lunch at 12:00, break up after lunch (last year it ended
around 3)
Where: KSBM (Sheboygan County Memorial Airport) - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Who: Family and friends welcome
If you plan to attend please let me know so we can have enough to eat.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - #40617 - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders Gathering |
Hi Jason,
Thanks again for the invite.
Unfortunately I will be out of town that week. I will definitely shoot
for next year or see you guys at OSH.
Hope all is well with your plane.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA
Muskego, WI
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From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Builders Gathering
Last year the four partners in N44YH hosted a gathering of Wisconsin
RV-10 builders for lunch at our hangar. This year we are again inviting
over the 'locals' but have decided to expand the invitation a bit to
include Illinois builders and folks on the list. This is an informal
event, mostly geared around meeting other builders, and sharing tales of
RV's. Lunch is on us, so if you are available please fell free to stop
in. All RV builders welcome, one, two, or four seats who are we to
judge.
No sales pitch or strings attached, just a chance to get together with
other builders and share ideas, and stories.
Date: Saturday 6/13/09
Time: 10:30, lunch at 12:00, break up after lunch (last year it ended
around 3)
Where: KSBM (Sheboygan County Memorial Airport) - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Who: Family and friends welcome
If you plan to attend please let me know so we can have enough to eat.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - #40617 - Flying
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders Gathering |
I will be there, possibly with my wife
Steve Mills
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Builders Gathering
Last year the four partners in N44YH hosted a gathering of Wisconsin RV-10
builders for lunch at our hangar. This year we are again inviting over the
'locals' but have decided to expand the invitation a bit to include Illinois
builders and folks on the list. This is an informal event, mostly geared
around meeting other builders, and sharing tales of RV's. Lunch is on us,
so if you are available please fell free to stop in. All RV builders
welcome, one, two, or four seats who are we to judge.
No sales pitch or strings attached, just a chance to get together with other
builders and share ideas, and stories.
Time: 10:30, lunch at 12:00, break up after lunch (last year it ended around
3)
Where: KSBM (Sheboygan County Memorial Airport) - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Who: Family and friends welcome
If you plan to attend please let me know so we can have enough to eat.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - #40617 - Flying
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve source |
For those that purchased an Andair fuel valve recently, I have a couple
questions.
Is 12" the right size extension for the RV-10?
Van's only sells the valve and it's a special order from Aircraft Spruce.
Is it best to order both the valve and extension directly from Andair or get
the valve from Van's and the extension from Andair? I seem to recall
several folks having difficulties, but I don't recall the details.
Thanks,
bob
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve source |
I don't know what the best way to order them is these
days, but the 12" extension should be good because
you will probably use less than 1/2 and that way if you
mess up you don't have to re-order from andair as that
could take some time and expense. I'd price the
valve from all places and get timelines on them if they
aren't in stock. If you can find them in stock, I'd
easily pay $20 more just to not have to wait for it.
It's too bad they don't have a good distributorship set
up in the U.S.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Bob Leffler wrote:
> For those that purchased an Andair fuel valve recently, I have a couple
> questions.
>
>
>
> Is 12 the right size extension for the RV-10?
>
>
>
> Vans only sells the valve and its a special order from Aircraft
> Spruce. Is it best to order both the valve and extension directly from
> Andair or get the valve from Vans and the extension from Andair? I
> seem to recall several folks having difficulties, but I dont recall the
> details.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> bob
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve source |
Bob,
I bought my valve and parts from Neal George. I don't know if he
still is selling them but it may be worth a shot. here's a clip from the
archives.
steve
Like many of you, I want an aircraft-quality fuel valve for my RV. I
bought an Andair FS20x3 from Vans and later learned that the valve and
fittings would be a very tight fit. I met with Andair's rep at
Sun'N'Fun and explained our dilemma - the major suppliers don't stock
the many variations; common fittings made the valves too big for the
space available; and banjo fittings are expensive, hard to find and add
unnecessary joints to the fuel system.
The result of that conversation is the Andair FS20x7t.
Details and (poor) pictures here: www.appaero.com/andair.htm
The first shipment arrived last week and I have a few left.
Current cost is $250 delivered.
I'll be happy to order more if there is enough interest.
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG (firewall clecoed)
RV-8 N998GM (canoe flipped)
Home - 334-262-8993
Cell - 334-546-2033
From: Bob Leffler
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve source
For those that purchased an Andair fuel valve recently, I have a couple
questions.
Is 12" the right size extension for the RV-10?
Van's only sells the valve and it's a special order from Aircraft
Spruce. Is it best to order both the valve and extension directly from
Andair or get the valve from Van's and the extension from Andair? I
seem to recall several folks having difficulties, but I don't recall the
details.
Thanks,
bob
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint under upholstery? |
I am at the same point and have decided to paint before the lid goes on. You don't
have to, but it will be more of a challenge later and you will curse yourself
if you don't. I am not painting everything - only what shows. The primer
is enough for the surfaces that will be hidden. I see no reason to waste $100/gal
paint on something that won't show. It just adds weight.
Remember that $450,000 Cessnas don't even bother to prime most of their aluminum.
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RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve source |
Bob,
Just to clarify, the actual extension is a piece of extrusion that you
cut to length. The exact amount you'll use is dependent on how far down
in the tunnel you mount the valve but as Tim said; it will likely be
less than 6". You don't want to come up short though!
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve source
I don't know what the best way to order them is these
days, but the 12" extension should be good because
you will probably use less than 1/2 and that way if you
mess up you don't have to re-order from andair as that
could take some time and expense. I'd price the
valve from all places and get timelines on them if they
aren't in stock. If you can find them in stock, I'd
easily pay $20 more just to not have to wait for it.
It's too bad they don't have a good distributorship set
up in the U.S.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Bob Leffler wrote:
> For those that purchased an Andair fuel valve recently, I have a
couple
> questions.
>
>
>
> Is 12" the right size extension for the RV-10?
>
>
>
> Van's only sells the valve and it's a special order from Aircraft
> Spruce. Is it best to order both the valve and extension directly
from
> Andair or get the valve from Van's and the extension from Andair? I
> seem to recall several folks having difficulties, but I don't recall
the
> details.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> bob
>
> *
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve source |
I received an email from Neal. He's not selling them anymore. He
recommended going direct with Andair.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve source
Bob,
I bought my valve and parts from Neal George. I don't know if he still
is selling them but it may be worth a shot. here's a clip from the archives.
steve
Like many of you, I want an aircraft-quality fuel valve for my RV. I
bought an Andair FS20x3 from Vans and later learned that the valve and
fittings would be a very tight fit. I met with Andair's rep at
Sun'N'Fun and explained our dilemma - the major suppliers don't stock
the many variations; common fittings made the valves too big for the
space available; and banjo fittings are expensive, hard to find and add
unnecessary joints to the fuel system.
The result of that conversation is the Andair FS20x7t.
Details and (poor) pictures here: www.appaero.com/andair.htm
The first shipment arrived last week and I have a few left.
Current cost is $250 delivered.
I'll be happy to order more if there is enough interest.
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG (firewall clecoed)
RV-8 N998GM (canoe flipped)
Home - 334-262-8993
Cell - 334-546-2033
From: Bob Leffler <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve source
For those that purchased an Andair fuel valve recently, I have a couple
questions.
Is 12" the right size extension for the RV-10?
Van's only sells the valve and it's a special order from Aircraft Spruce.
Is it best to order both the valve and extension directly from Andair or get
the valve from Van's and the extension from Andair? I seem to recall
several folks having difficulties, but I don't recall the details.
Thanks,
bob
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve source |
When I bought mine, I shopped around the few places that carried the particular
model most of us were using. At the time I bought it (about a year and a half
ago) I went straight through Andair. It cost a little more after the conversion
to dollars, but I had just what I wanted and it arrived in less than a week
from ordering. Unless someone has a significantly good deal one one in stock,
I would purchase straight from them again if I needed to.
Eric Kallio
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| Subject: | WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine |
I have an opportunity to get a Narrow deck IO540 engine and wonder if
anyone knows if it will work with the Van's engine mount and/or if there
are any issues with the cowl or anything else.
Thank you!
Pascal
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| Subject: | WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine |
No problem - a lot of us have narrow deck engines.
Bob
N442PM
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine
I have an opportunity to get a Narrow deck IO540 engine and wonder if
anyone knows if it will work with the Van's engine mount and/or if there
are any issues with the cowl or anything else.
Thank you!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine |
I had? no problems with a B4B5. Everything aligned and fit.Mine was a carb version
but I used an airflow performance FI-good luck-Jim 728DD
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From: pascal <pascal@rv10builder.net>
Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 2:30 pm
Subject: RV10-List: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine
I have an opportunity to get a Narrow deck IO540 engine and wonder if anyone knows
if it will work with the Van's engine mount and/or if there are any issues
with the cowl or anything else.
Thank you!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine |
Depends on price, your desires, etc. Who knows how much longer Lycoming
will support the narrow deck engines. If you want roller cam,
forgedabowdit. If it is fresh overhaul and you don't expect to have more
than 12-15 years of flying left, it would be fine. Some accessories fit
easier on the narrow deck. It has been about 40 years since Lycoming
switched to the wide deck configuration.
pascal wrote:
> I have an opportunity to get a Narrow deck IO540 engine and wonder if
> anyone knows if it will work with the Van's engine mount and/or if
> there are any issues with the cowl or anything else.
> Thank you!
> Pascal
> *
>
>
> *
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I made stainless steel washers and plan to proseal them in place after painting.
I pressed a radius flange to fit the hole and also pressed a concave in the
thin washer to fit the contour of the wheel fairing. The washer is 1 1/2" O.D.
Hopefully this will save a few scratches.
Ron
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| Subject: | WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine |
I also have a narrow deck + injection and fit was not a problem. I
understood it has been ONLY 30 years since produced but I will not
squabble with a decade. I was also told (take this for what I paid -
nada) that the aerobatic guys prefer the narrow deck units and they are
in relatively high demand. Mine was built up by BPE and the have a
history of doing right by people.
Good luck,
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine
Depends on price, your desires, etc. Who knows how much longer Lycoming
will support the narrow deck engines. If you want roller cam,
forgedabowdit. If it is fresh overhaul and you don't expect to have more
than 12-15 years of flying left, it would be fine. Some accessories fit
easier on the narrow deck. It has been about 40 years since Lycoming
switched to the wide deck configuration.
pascal wrote:
> I have an opportunity to get a Narrow deck IO540 engine and wonder if
> anyone knows if it will work with the Van's engine mount and/or if
> there are any issues with the cowl or anything else.
> Thank you!
> Pascal
> *
>
>
> *
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06/01/09 06:09:00
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve source |
I was one of the posters that had problems getting an extention. I ordered mine
direct from Andair at Sun & Fun, but did not recieve confirmation that the order
was being processed. I finally recieved the extention last week. I ordered
the 12" model, but have not installed it yet, I cannot say if a six inch will
suffice.
For some reason I could not send Andair an e-mail , as my server would return the
e-mail as undeliverable in about three days.
I did recieve an e-mail from Jim Irwin , Aircraft Spruce ( they monitor these forums,
as I had mentioned that ACS had a different part for the extention than
Andair quoted) . He asked if he could help with my order in any way. I would
have ordered thru ACS had I had the correct part #. With ACS this is a special
order and not returnable.
I just looked up ACS 's e-mail with their quoted part # and it's the same as what's
on my invoice from Andair . EX-7 , TUB-12. Andair quoted me a part # on VAF
(exk-7) , to which ACS did not recognize and I did not dare order thru them.
Turns out ACS was correct and would have saved me a lot of frustrations.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine |
There probably was 10 years between wide deck introduction and stopping
production of new narrow deck, so probable both numbers are in the ball
park. Your engine has as good a chance as any to make TBO.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
>
> I also have a narrow deck + injection and fit was not a problem. I
> understood it has been ONLY 30 years since produced but I will not
> squabble with a decade. I was also told (take this for what I paid -
> nada) that the aerobatic guys prefer the narrow deck units and they are
> in relatively high demand. Mine was built up by BPE and the have a
> history of doing right by people.
> Good luck,
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:49 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: WIDE DECK/NARROW DECK engine
>
>
> Depends on price, your desires, etc. Who knows how much longer Lycoming
> will support the narrow deck engines. If you want roller cam,
> forgedabowdit. If it is fresh overhaul and you don't expect to have more
>
> than 12-15 years of flying left, it would be fine. Some accessories fit
> easier on the narrow deck. It has been about 40 years since Lycoming
> switched to the wide deck configuration.
>
> pascal wrote:
> > I have an opportunity to get a Narrow deck IO540 engine and wonder if
> > anyone knows if it will work with the Van's engine mount and/or if
> > there are any issues with the cowl or anything else.
> > Thank you!
> > Pascal
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
> --
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 06/01/09 06:09:00
>
>
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-10 List,
I just purchased a hand scale to keep in my plane for
weighing luggage etc... while on the road. It's a nifty little device
that seems to work pretty well based on a few trials. The item is called
Balanzza http://www.balanzza.com/ I purchased the Balanzza Ergo. It
lists for $24.95 but I think I picked it up (new) for $18.00 delivered
on eBay. I even got one in a steel blue to match my plane. They have a
new unit coming out called the Balanzza Too BZ300 that has a flashlight
on the butt end but it's closer to $40.00 delivered as it has not hit
eBay/discounters.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Portable Scale |
That is WAY cool for the price and could probably also measure
nosewheel breakout force!
Tim
On Jun 1, 2009, at 10:08 PM, "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
wrote:
> -10 List,
>
> I just purchased a hand scale to keep in my plane for
> weighing luggage etc while on the road. It=99s a nifty
little
> device that seems to work pretty well based on a few trials. The ite
> m is called Balanzza http://www.balanzza.com/ I purchased the Balanz
> za Ergo. It lists for $24.95 but I think I picked it up (new) for $1
> 8.00 delivered on eBay. I even got one in a steel blue to match my p
> lane. They have a new unit coming out called the Balanzza Too BZ300
> that has a flashlight on the butt end but it=99s closer to
$40.00 deli
> vered as it has not hit eBay/discounters.
>
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
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I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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