---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/03/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:32 AM - Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (orchidman) 2. 09:49 AM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (David Saylor) 3. 10:17 AM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (pascal) 4. 10:23 AM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (Michael Kraus) 5. 10:25 AM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (David Maib) 6. 11:54 AM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (Tim Olson) 7. 11:54 AM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (Jim Berry) 8. 12:19 PM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (linn) 9. 12:27 PM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (linn) 10. 12:41 PM - Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing (orchidman) 11. 05:33 PM - America's Aircraft Engine (pascal) 12. 05:52 PM - Dynon Autopilot (Jesse Saint) 13. 07:02 PM - Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... (AprilZer) 14. 08:49 PM - Wing Installation and wing bolts (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:28 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing From: "orchidman" In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for "screw #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless Steal Sheet Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware listing and going through all my packages, I can't find anything resembling sheet metal screws. For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if they were provided and I have over looked them. I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not sure if I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try to add nut plates. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246617#246617 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing From: David Saylor Gary, I installed some mounting points called Nut-Serts for those screws. They install from the outside. Then you can use a machine screw. Just be careful however you mount them. Fuel and brake lines are just above. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM, orchidman wrote: > > In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to attach > the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for "screw #6 x 1/2 > SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless Steal Sheet Metal Screws. > I can't find them listed in the hardware listing and going through all my > packages, I can't find anything resembling sheet metal screws. > > For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these > screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if they were > provided and I have over looked them. > > I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not sure if > I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try to add nut > plates. > > -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:20 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing they're in bag# 1526 1 looks like small simple screws. -------------------------------------------------- From: "orchidman" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing > > In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to > attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for "screw > #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless Steal Sheet > Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware listing and going > through all my packages, I can't find anything resembling sheet metal > screws. > > For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these > screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if they > were provided and I have over looked them. > > I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not sure if > I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try to add nut > plates. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246617#246617 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:50 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing I used rivnuts and machine screws.... No sheet metal screws in my planes!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, "orchidman" wrote: > > In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to > attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for > "screw #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless > Steal Sheet Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware > listing and going through all my packages, I can't find anything > resembling sheet metal screws. > > For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these > screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if > they were provided and I have over looked them. > > I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not > sure if I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try > to add nut plates. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246617#246617 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:32 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing I installed Click-Bond nut plates. They can be installed pretty easily from the inside. Riv-Nuts or Nut-Serts would be another option. David Maib 40559 Flying On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, orchidman wrote: In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for "screw #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless Steal Sheet Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware listing and going through all my packages, I can't find anything resembling sheet metal screws. For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if they were provided and I have over looked them. I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not sure if I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try to add nut plates. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246617#246617 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:16 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing And the spar, too. I had one I couldn't put where I wanted because of the spar. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive David Saylor wrote: > Gary, > > I installed some mounting points called Nut-Serts for those screws. > They install from the outside. Then you can use a machine screw. Just > be careful however you mount them. Fuel and brake lines are just above. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM, orchidman > wrote: > > > > > In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to > attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for > "screw #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless > Steal Sheet Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware > listing and going through all my packages, I can't find anything > resembling sheet metal screws. > > For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these > screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if > they were provided and I have over looked them. > > I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not > sure if I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try > to add nut plates. > > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:46 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing From: "Jim Berry" If you want to use nut plates, one way to do it is the following: 1. Get 2 pieces of small diameter wire about 18" long. I used welding wire, but hinge pin material works also. 2. After drilling the rivet holes for the nut plate, insert one of the wires in each rivet hole. This can be done from either inside or outside the fuselage. Slide the nut plate down over both wires till it bottoms out on the fuselage skin. 3. Install a machine screw in the nut plate to hold it firmly to the skin. Remove one wire and install a blind rivet; remove the other wire and install second blind rivet. As others have mentioned, Rivnuts or Nutserts work well also. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246649#246649 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:32 PM PST US From: linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing And if you really want to prevent some aggravation, clean the nut-sert and the aluminum around the hole and use some red Loctite or JB-weld on the nut-sert before you squeeze it. Use anti-sieve on the screw. This way you won't have the problem of turning the nut-sert when you remove the screw. Linn David Saylor wrote: > Gary, > > I installed some mounting points called Nut-Serts for those screws. > They install from the outside. Then you can use a machine screw. Just > be careful however you mount them. Fuel and brake lines are just above. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM, orchidman > wrote: > > > > > In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to > attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for > "screw #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless > Steal Sheet Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware > listing and going through all my packages, I can't find anything > resembling sheet metal screws. > > For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these > screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if > they were provided and I have over looked them. > > I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not > sure if I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try > to add nut plates. > > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:52 PM PST US From: linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing I hate it when I do that!!! Meant riv-nut, not nut-sert. Sheesh! Linn linn wrote: > > And if you really want to prevent some aggravation, clean the nut-sert > and the aluminum around the hole and use some red Loctite or JB-weld on > the nut-sert before you squeeze it. Use anti-sieve on the screw. This > way you won't have the problem of turning the nut-sert when you remove > the screw. > Linn > > David Saylor wrote: >> Gary, >> >> I installed some mounting points called Nut-Serts for those screws. >> They install from the outside. Then you can use a machine screw. >> Just be careful however you mount them. Fuel and brake lines are just >> above. >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM, orchidman > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> In section 48 Gear Leg & Wheel fairings, on page 48-12 Figure 1, to >> attach the leg gear upper intersection fairing, the plans call for >> "screw #6 x 1/2 SS SMS 3 Places". I assume these are Stainless >> Steal Sheet Metal Screws. I can't find them listed in the hardware >> listing and going through all my packages, I can't find anything >> resembling sheet metal screws. >> >> For those who have already passed this point, did Vans provide these >> screws? I know I can get them locally but no need to get dups if >> they were provided and I have over looked them. >> >> I know some have gone to nutplates in all 4 locations but I am not >> sure if I can get to the inside for the 3 fuselage locations to try >> to add nut plates. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching upper leg intersection fairing From: "orchidman" Thanks all for the quick replies. I just ordered some nutserts from AC after I called Dave and discussed a plan of attack. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246664#246664 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:44 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: RV10-List: America's Aircraft Engine Looking for feedback on America's Aircraft engine in Oklahoma. Any feedback is appreciated! Pascal ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:09 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: RV10-List: Dynon Autopilot For those who will be going with a more budget-level panel and might be considering a Dynon EFIS and Autopilot, I just installed the Dynon servos today and will be test flying it tomorrow. I will report on how well it handles the plane, especially compared to the TruTrak line that I am very familiar with. The installation of the servos was very simple and the wiring was even easier. I am impressed so far. Now we'll see how it flies. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Filtered Air Box - FAB (Filtered air BITC..... From: "AprilZer" I got some information that I really need here in this discussion.,I am so relief that I found this site. _________________ Aprilaire (http://www.iaqsource.com/aprilaire.php) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246720#246720 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:17 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Wing Installation and wing bolts From: "AirMike" Trying to get the wings fitted in the next 1-3 days. I see that you have to do the installation twice to get the fairings done properly. On the first installation - Should I use 2 or 4 of the 3/8 temporary bolts per wing? Vans says that two are ok , but elsewhere in this site four were suggested Any suggestions for getting the VERY TIGHT -high tolerance bolts in the wing. I do not have a super cold freezer at the airport. Would dry ice work or is that too cold - possibly causing damage to the bolts from the extreme cold. 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