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1. 06:57 AM - Re: IO540 Operators Manual (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
2. 06:57 AM - Re: IO540 Operators Manual (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
3. 07:20 AM - Re: hot starts (Susan)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: hot starts (Robin Marks)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: hot starts (Tim Olson)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: hot starts (Deems Davis)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: hot starts (Rene Felker)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: hot starts (David McNeill)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: hot starts (David McNeill)
10. 11:37 AM - Re: hot starts (Rene Felker)
11. 11:40 AM - Re: hot starts (Rene Felker)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: hot starts (David McNeill)
13. 02:05 PM - Re: T/O data point (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
14. 02:34 PM - N246RS Airworthy (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
15. 02:43 PM - Re: T/O data point (Rhonda Bewley)
16. 02:49 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Rene Felker)
17. 02:53 PM - Re: hot starts (Susan)
18. 03:12 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (BPA)
19. 03:19 PM - Re: IO540 Operators Manual (Susan)
20. 03:21 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (John Cumins)
21. 03:43 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Fred Williams, M.D.)
22. 03:52 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (McGann, Ron)
23. 04:10 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (John Cumins)
24. 05:10 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Deems Davis)
25. 05:24 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Don McDonald)
26. 07:09 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Robin Marks)
27. 07:12 PM - Re: hot starts (fdombroski)
28. 11:43 PM - Re: T/O data point (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
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Subject: | IO540 Operators Manual |
Yes, it's exactly the same as the printed version.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual
Yeh, probably most of us would like to think we at least had access to a
manual.... does it have pictures?
Don
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Fred Williams, M.D. <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
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From: Fred Williams, M.D. <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 3:38 PM
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Bob ;
Would this be a good resource to have linked to Tim O's site??
Is it too big?
Fred Williams
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Subject: | IO540 Operators Manual |
On it's way!
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual
I'll do it if someone sends it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
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> Would this be a good resource to have linked to Tim O's site?? Is it
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> Fred Williams
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>> *Subject:* RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual
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I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
-
Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
- Throttle - Wide Open
- Mixture -
Cutoff
- Crank till it fires
- Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast
will flood it (Again!))
- Throttle - Close to high idle
Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
Jim C
N312F - 75 hours
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Jim,
Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear...
- Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
- Throttle - Wide Open
- Mixture - Cutoff
- Fuel Pump - On
- Crank till it fires
- Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
- Throttle - Close to high idle
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
- Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
- Throttle - Wide Open
- Mixture - Cutoff
- Crank till it fires
- Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
- Throttle - Close to high idle
Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
Jim C
N312F - 75 hours
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One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while
I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the
engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but
I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that
as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the
coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and
the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power
at higher throttle.....just leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
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I just went through this with Don Rivera @ Airflow Performance, and the
roughness/surging during taxi with a hot engine is caused by the engine
heating/vaporizing the fuel in the distribution lines from the spider to
the cylinders. If you've got a plenum it also exacerbates the problem
for obvious reasons. Depending on fuel flows @ Take Off there is a
possibility of going to smaller nozzles which increases the psi in the
lines. insulating them only makes it worse according to Don, as it takes
longer for the lines to cool.
Deems Davis N519PJ
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while
> I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the
> engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start.
> I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but
> I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that
> as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the
> coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
> added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and
> the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power
> at higher throttle.....just leaned idle.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> Robin Marks wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
>> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear
>>
>>
>>
>> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
>> - Throttle - Wide Open
>> - Mixture Cutoff
>>
>> - Fuel Pump - On
>> - Crank till it fires
>> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
>> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>>
>>
>>
>> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>>
>> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
>> - Throttle - Wide Open
>> - Mixture - Cutoff
>> - Crank till it fires
>> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
>> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>>
>> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>>
>> Jim C
>> N312F - 75 hours
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I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may
not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better.
Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed
to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far
this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced
yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will
wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare
victory........
I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a
cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got
both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I
normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated......
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while
I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the
engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but
I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that
as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the
coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and
the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power
at higher throttle.....just leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear.
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
>
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Do you lean aggressively after start? I taxi with 1000-1200 no problem.
Engine will quit with too much fuel or too little for the amount of air.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may
not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better.
Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed
to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far
this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced
yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will
wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare
victory........
I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a
cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got
both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I
normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated......
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find
hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth
during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee
that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold.
Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor
disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just
leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear.
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
>
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Also what is the value of your temp warning? 350f? 400f? 450f? For me
250-360f is green range; 361-420f yellow range; 421+ red range. Lycoming
temp limits are higher. We initially had yellow temp conditions until we cut
down the air dams and then removed them completely, located AZ.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may
not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better.
Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed
to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far
this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced
yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will
wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare
victory........
I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a
cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got
both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I
normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated......
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find
hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth
during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee
that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold.
Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor
disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just
leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear.
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
>
>
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Yes I lean aggressively, being at ~4500 feet I need to or the plugs will
foul. I only have to pick up the RPMs after a hot start.....it is
embarrassing to have the engine stop while you are on the taxi
way.....passengers get concerned also. After a cold (regular) start I keep
it at 1000 rpm.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
Do you lean aggressively after start? I taxi with 1000-1200 no problem.
Engine will quit with too much fuel or too little for the amount of air.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may
not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better.
Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed
to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far
this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced
yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will
wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare
victory........
I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a
cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got
both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I
normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated......
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find
hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth
during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee
that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold.
Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor
disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just
leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear.
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
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For the CHT I have it set (warning) at 420. Last year I ran 380 to 400 in
cruse climb and 380 in low level cruse. I have not seen 400 yet this year,
and cruse is closer to 350 on low level cruse.
I cut my fences down a little, but they are still there....
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
Also what is the value of your temp warning? 350f? 400f? 450f? For me
250-360f is green range; 361-420f yellow range; 421+ red range. Lycoming
temp limits are higher. We initially had yellow temp conditions until we cut
down the air dams and then removed them completely, located AZ.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may
not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better.
Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed
to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far
this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced
yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will
wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare
victory........
I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a
cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got
both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I
normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated......
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find
hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth
during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee
that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold.
Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor
disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just
leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear.
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
>
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Try the boost pump on for taxi when hot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
Yes I lean aggressively, being at ~4500 feet I need to or the plugs will
foul. I only have to pick up the RPMs after a hot start.....it is
embarrassing to have the engine stop while you are on the taxi
way.....passengers get concerned also. After a cold (regular) start I keep
it at 1000 rpm.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
Do you lean aggressively after start? I taxi with 1000-1200 no problem.
Engine will quit with too much fuel or too little for the amount of air.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts
I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may
not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better.
Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed
to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far
this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced
yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will
wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare
victory........
I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a
cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got
both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I
normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated......
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find
hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth
during taxi on a hot start.
I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee
that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold.
Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the
added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor
disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just
leaned idle.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear.
>
>
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
>
> - Fuel Pump - On
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts
>
>
>
> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
>
> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
> - Throttle - Wide Open
> - Mixture - Cutoff
> - Crank till it fires
> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
> - Throttle - Close to high idle
>
> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 75 hours
>
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Subject: | Re: T/O data point |
FYI
Grass runway at 140' above sea level
QNH 1017
Temp - freezing
Wind on ground - Nil
Full fuel & 1 adult, 1 child
Take off run was 179 yards
Very easy to tell with the frost marks
Neil
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Subject: | N246RS Airworthy |
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4
months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel er up!!!!
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Whew! You're running a stock engine, right? :-)
Rhonda
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah
Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: T/O data point
FYI
Grass runway at 140' above sea level
QNH 1017
Temp - freezing
Wind on ground - Nil
Full fuel & 1 adult, 1 child
Take off run was 179 yards
Very easy to tell with the frost marks
Neil
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Subject: | N246RS Airworthy |
Congrats.........
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years
4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel er up!!!!
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Well I tried the fuel pump on and off just after the start but could not
really tell a difference. Like Tim, I noticed a little roughness on
the taxi to the runway. But it always cleared up after a minute or so of
running. I do lean aggressively once the engine is running for
taxi.
It's for sure a little hard to start once it gets warmed
up. Only once have I had to crank twice to get a running engine (I
jumped on the mixture too soon).
But that day I did a lot of
starts in a short period of time (10 starts in 4 hours). Burned 20
gallons that day flying the young eagles.
It was fun.
Jim C
N312F
----------------------------------------
Jim,
Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel
pump
on and see if it works better for you. To be clear...
- Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime)
- Throttle - Wide Open
- Mixture
- Cutoff
- Fuel Pump - On
- Crank till it fires
-
Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!))
- Throttle -
Close to high idle
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts
I had 10 young
eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day
- Fuel Pump -
OFF (No Prime)
- Throttle - Wide Open
- Mixture - Cutoff
-
Crank till it fires
- Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it
(Again!))
- Throttle - Close to high idle
Worked for me -
But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running
Jim C
N312F - 75 hours
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Subject: | N246RS Airworthy |
Yippppeeeee!!
-----Original Message-----
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ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5
years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel er up!!!!
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Subject: | Re: IO540 Operators Manual |
I too would love to have a soft copy of the manual.'
Jim C
N312F
Jim@CombsFive.Com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anyone have or know where to get an electronic copy of
the operators
manual?
Gary Specketer
N204GS Flying
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Congrats Rick Have fun with the first flight.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years
4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel er up!!!!
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Happy birthday.....to the airplane that is.
Dr Fred.
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years
4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS...Airworthy!!!
> Fuel er up!!!!
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Good onya Rick. Looking forward to hearing about first flight.
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM in Oz
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Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5
years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel er up!!!!
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Hey Rick
How about some pics of the completed paint and interior.
I was in Las Vegas 3 weeks ago and Rick was n the middle of paint, I was
totally impressed with his build quality, he has a awesome bird.
You have done a great mammoth job Rick.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years
4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel er up!!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Rick This is GREAT news !!!!!!!!!!!!!! How some pictures? When is 1st
flight?
Deems Davis
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS...Airworthy!!!
> Fuel er up!!!!
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Subject: | Re: N246RS Airworthy |
Congrats Rick.... so whens the first flight?- Unlike my situation, for yo
u, when the planes done, you're ready.- My plane had to sit for 2 months
waiting for me to get ready.- Got 12 hours on her already... so get up th
ere.... and I'm sure we'll hear about it.
Don McDonald
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrot
e:
From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy
.N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 year
s 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate.....
Rick Sked
N246RS...Airworthy!!!
Fuel- er up!!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
le, List Admin.
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Subject: | N246RS Airworthy |
Fantastic news Rick!
I am having a difficult believing how many of -10's are coming off the
assembly line these days. I hope OSH has enough room to fit us in a few
years.
Robin
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I find that leaning the engine for taxi will minimize the rough running, especially
when hot...
Cheers,
Frank
N46WD Grinning
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Frank Dombroski
RV-10 N46WD Flying
RV-8 N84FD final assembly
N40 Sky Manor Airport
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Subject: | Re: T/O data point |
Yeh - right, not quite.
A wonderfullllly balanced engine from you guys, with MT prop. Makes it
even smoooother ;-)
On 17/06/2009, at 9:15 AM, Rhonda Bewley wrote:
> >
>
> Whew! You're running a stock engine, right? :-)
>
> Rhonda
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil &
> Sarah
> Colliver
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: T/O data point
>
> >
>
> FYI
> Grass runway at 140' above sea level
> QNH 1017
> Temp - freezing
> Wind on ground - Nil
> Full fuel & 1 adult, 1 child
> Take off run was 179 yards
> Very easy to tell with the frost marks
>
> Neil
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>
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