RV10-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/16/09


Total Messages Posted: 28



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:57 AM - Re: IO540 Operators Manual (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     2. 06:57 AM - Re: IO540 Operators Manual (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     3. 07:20 AM - Re: hot starts (Susan)
     4. 08:48 AM - Re: hot starts (Robin Marks)
     5. 09:18 AM - Re: hot starts (Tim Olson)
     6. 09:53 AM - Re: hot starts (Deems Davis)
     7. 10:13 AM - Re: hot starts (Rene Felker)
     8. 11:02 AM - Re: hot starts (David McNeill)
     9. 11:13 AM - Re: hot starts (David McNeill)
    10. 11:37 AM - Re: hot starts (Rene Felker)
    11. 11:40 AM - Re: hot starts (Rene Felker)
    12. 12:18 PM - Re: hot starts (David McNeill)
    13. 02:05 PM - Re: T/O data point (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
    14. 02:34 PM - N246RS Airworthy (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
    15. 02:43 PM - Re: T/O data point (Rhonda Bewley)
    16. 02:49 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Rene Felker)
    17. 02:53 PM - Re: hot starts (Susan)
    18. 03:12 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (BPA)
    19. 03:19 PM - Re: IO540 Operators Manual (Susan)
    20. 03:21 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (John Cumins)
    21. 03:43 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Fred Williams, M.D.)
    22. 03:52 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (McGann, Ron)
    23. 04:10 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (John Cumins)
    24. 05:10 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Deems Davis)
    25. 05:24 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Don McDonald)
    26. 07:09 PM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (Robin Marks)
    27. 07:12 PM - Re: hot starts (fdombroski)
    28. 11:43 PM - Re: T/O data point (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:57:09 AM PST US
    Subject: IO540 Operators Manual
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Yes, it's exactly the same as the printed version. Bob _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual Yeh, probably most of us would like to think we at least had access to a manual.... does it have pictures? Don --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Fred Williams, M.D. <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: From: Fred Williams, M.D. <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual To: rv10-list@matronics.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 3:38 PM <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com <http://us.mc05g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drfred@suddenlinkmail.com > > Bob ; Would this be a good resource to have linked to Tim O's site?? Is it too big? Fred Williams Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > Coming to you offline! > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <http://us.mc05g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@ma t ronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <http://us.mc05g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@ma t ronics.com> ] *On Behalf Of *gary > *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 11:36 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <http://us.mc05g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com> > *Subject:* RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual > > > Does anyone have or know where to get an electronic copy of the operators manual? > > > Gary Specketer > > N204GS Flying > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* <http://forums.matronics.com*/> > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Nav - MATRONICS WEBcom/" ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin=========


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    Time: 06:57:10 AM PST US
    Subject: IO540 Operators Manual
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    On it's way! Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual I'll do it if someone sends it. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> > > Bob ; > > Would this be a good resource to have linked to Tim O's site?? Is it > too big? > Fred Williams > > Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: >> >> Coming to you offline! >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *gary >> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 11:36 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual >> >> >> >> Does anyone have or know where to get an electronic copy of the >> operators manual? >> >> >> >> Gary Specketer >> >> N204GS Flying >> >> * * >> * * >> ** >> ** >> ** >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* >> ** >> ** >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> ** >> ** >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> * * >> * >> >> >> * > > > > >


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    Time: 07:20:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: hot starts
    From: "Susan" <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) - Throttle - Wide Open - Mixture - Cutoff - Crank till it fires - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) - Throttle - Close to high idle Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running Jim C N312F - 75 hours


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    Time: 08:48:18 AM PST US
    Subject: hot starts
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    Jim, Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear... - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) - Throttle - Wide Open - Mixture - Cutoff - Fuel Pump - On - Crank till it fires - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) - Throttle - Close to high idle Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) - Throttle - Wide Open - Mixture - Cutoff - Crank till it fires - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) - Throttle - Close to high idle Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running Jim C N312F - 75 hours Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/15/09 05:54:00


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    Time: 09:18:37 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: hot starts
    One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 09:53:06 AM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: hot starts
    I just went through this with Don Rivera @ Airflow Performance, and the roughness/surging during taxi with a hot engine is caused by the engine heating/vaporizing the fuel in the distribution lines from the spider to the cylinders. If you've got a plenum it also exacerbates the problem for obvious reasons. Depending on fuel flows @ Take Off there is a possibility of going to smaller nozzles which increases the psi in the lines. insulating them only makes it worse according to Don, as it takes longer for the lines to cool. Deems Davis N519PJ Tim Olson wrote: > > One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while > I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the > engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. > I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but > I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that > as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the > coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the > added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and > the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power > at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > Robin Marks wrote: >> Jim, >> >> Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel >> pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear >> >> >> >> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) >> - Throttle - Wide Open >> - Mixture Cutoff >> >> - Fuel Pump - On >> - Crank till it fires >> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) >> - Throttle - Close to high idle >> >> >> >> Robin >> >> >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts >> >> >> >> I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day >> >> - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) >> - Throttle - Wide Open >> - Mixture - Cutoff >> - Crank till it fires >> - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) >> - Throttle - Close to high idle >> >> Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running >> >> Jim C >> N312F - 75 hours >> >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 06/15/09 05:54:00 >> >> * >> >> >> * > >


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    Time: 10:13:56 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: hot starts
    I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better. Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare victory........ I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated...... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear. > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


    Message 8


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    Time: 11:02:39 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: hot starts
    Do you lean aggressively after start? I taxi with 1000-1200 no problem. Engine will quit with too much fuel or too little for the amount of air. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better. Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare victory........ I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated...... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear. > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 11:13:08 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: hot starts
    Also what is the value of your temp warning? 350f? 400f? 450f? For me 250-360f is green range; 361-420f yellow range; 421+ red range. Lycoming temp limits are higher. We initially had yellow temp conditions until we cut down the air dams and then removed them completely, located AZ. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better. Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare victory........ I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated...... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear. > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 11:37:06 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: hot starts
    Yes I lean aggressively, being at ~4500 feet I need to or the plugs will foul. I only have to pick up the RPMs after a hot start.....it is embarrassing to have the engine stop while you are on the taxi way.....passengers get concerned also. After a cold (regular) start I keep it at 1000 rpm. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts Do you lean aggressively after start? I taxi with 1000-1200 no problem. Engine will quit with too much fuel or too little for the amount of air. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better. Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare victory........ I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated...... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear. > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 11:40:58 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: hot starts
    For the CHT I have it set (warning) at 420. Last year I ran 380 to 400 in cruse climb and 380 in low level cruse. I have not seen 400 yet this year, and cruse is closer to 350 on low level cruse. I cut my fences down a little, but they are still there.... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts Also what is the value of your temp warning? 350f? 400f? 450f? For me 250-360f is green range; 361-420f yellow range; 421+ red range. Lycoming temp limits are higher. We initially had yellow temp conditions until we cut down the air dams and then removed them completely, located AZ. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better. Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare victory........ I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated...... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear. > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 12:18:46 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: hot starts
    Try the boost pump on for taxi when hot -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts Yes I lean aggressively, being at ~4500 feet I need to or the plugs will foul. I only have to pick up the RPMs after a hot start.....it is embarrassing to have the engine stop while you are on the taxi way.....passengers get concerned also. After a cold (regular) start I keep it at 1000 rpm. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts Do you lean aggressively after start? I taxi with 1000-1200 no problem. Engine will quit with too much fuel or too little for the amount of air. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: hot starts I agree with Tim. I taxi at 1400 after a hot start or else the engine may not even keep running. After several minutes it gets better. Also, over the winter I worked on oil temp and baffling. I am not committed to saying I fixed my high oil temp problem, it has been to cool here so far this year, but it is looking like I did. So, although I am not convinced yet, my engine runs better after a hot start than it did last year. I will wait until the temps get up into the high 90s on the ground before I declare victory........ I did fly out of Vegas in May, it was in the 80's and I did not get a cylinder head temp warning or an oil temp warning....last year I got both......it was an almost straight climb to 14,500 this year.......I normally climb at between 110 and 120 indicated...... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts One thing I could add to the hot start commentary is that while I do find hot starts to be no problem at all for me, the engine does not run as smooth during taxi on a hot start. I attribute this to vapor in the lines that builds up, but I can't guarantee that I'm correct. All I know is that as I taxi, it burbles more than cold. Once you pour the coals on though, you have so much fuel flow I think the added cool fuel flowing probably decreases the temps and the vapor disappears, because it never affects my power at higher throttle.....just leaned idle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel > pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear. > > > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > > - Fuel Pump - On > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > > > Robin > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: hot starts > > > > I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day > > - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) > - Throttle - Wide Open > - Mixture - Cutoff > - Crank till it fires > - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) > - Throttle - Close to high idle > > Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running > > Jim C > N312F - 75 hours > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06/15/09 05:54:00 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 02:05:30 PM PST US
    From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: T/O data point
    FYI Grass runway at 140' above sea level QNH 1017 Temp - freezing Wind on ground - Nil Full fuel & 1 adult, 1 child Take off run was 179 yards Very easy to tell with the frost marks Neil


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    Time: 02:34:26 PM PST US
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    From: ricksked@embarqmail.com
    .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 02:43:59 PM PST US
    Subject: T/O data point
    From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com>
    Whew! You're running a stock engine, right? :-) Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah Colliver Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: T/O data point FYI Grass runway at 140' above sea level QNH 1017 Temp - freezing Wind on ground - Nil Full fuel & 1 adult, 1 child Take off run was 179 yards Very easy to tell with the frost marks Neil


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    Time: 02:49:19 PM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    Congrats......... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 02:53:16 PM PST US
    Subject: hot starts
    From: "Susan" <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    Well I tried the fuel pump on and off just after the start but could not really tell a difference. Like Tim, I noticed a little roughness on the taxi to the runway. But it always cleared up after a minute or so of running. I do lean aggressively once the engine is running for taxi. It's for sure a little hard to start once it gets warmed up. Only once have I had to crank twice to get a running engine (I jumped on the mixture too soon). But that day I did a lot of starts in a short period of time (10 starts in 4 hours). Burned 20 gallons that day flying the young eagles. It was fun. Jim C N312F ---------------------------------------- Jim, Next time try the exact same procedure but with the fuel pump on and see if it works better for you. To be clear... - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) - Throttle - Wide Open - Mixture - Cutoff - Fuel Pump - On - Crank till it fires - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) - Throttle - Close to high idle Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: hot starts I had 10 young eagle flights two weeks ago, on a 75 Deg F day - Fuel Pump - OFF (No Prime) - Throttle - Wide Open - Mixture - Cutoff - Crank till it fires - Mixture - Ease it in (Too fast will flood it (Again!)) - Throttle - Close to high idle Worked for me - But not a real pretty start, but got the fan running Jim C N312F - 75 hours Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/15/09 05:54:00


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    Time: 03:12:33 PM PST US
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
    Yippppeeeee!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 03:19:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: IO540 Operators Manual
    From: "Susan" <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    I too would love to have a soft copy of the manual.' Jim C N312F Jim@CombsFive.Com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone have or know where to get an electronic copy of the operators manual? Gary Specketer N204GS Flying


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    Time: 03:21:43 PM PST US
    From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    Congrats Rick Have fun with the first flight. John G. Cumins President JC'S Interactive Systems 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 03:43:03 PM PST US
    From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
    Subject: Re: N246RS Airworthy
    Happy birthday.....to the airplane that is. Dr Fred. ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote: > > .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... > > Rick Sked > N246RS...Airworthy!!! > Fuel er up!!!! > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > >


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    Time: 03:52:44 PM PST US
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
    Good onya Rick. Looking forward to hearing about first flight. Cheers, Ron VH-XRM in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2009 7:30 AM Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T DISCLAIMER:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by return email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be deemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached are error or virus free. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 04:10:52 PM PST US
    From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    Hey Rick How about some pics of the completed paint and interior. I was in Las Vegas 3 weeks ago and Rick was n the middle of paint, I was totally impressed with his build quality, he has a awesome bird. You have done a great mammoth job Rick. John G. Cumins President JC'S Interactive Systems 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 05:10:42 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: N246RS Airworthy
    Rick This is GREAT news !!!!!!!!!!!!!! How some pictures? When is 1st flight? Deems Davis ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote: > > .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 years 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... > > Rick Sked > N246RS...Airworthy!!! > Fuel er up!!!! > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > >


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    Time: 05:24:14 PM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: N246RS Airworthy
    Congrats Rick.... so whens the first flight?- Unlike my situation, for yo u, when the planes done, you're ready.- My plane had to sit for 2 months waiting for me to get ready.- Got 12 hours on her already... so get up th ere.... and I'm sure we'll hear about it. Don McDonald --- On Tue, 6/16/09, ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrot e: From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: N246RS Airworthy .N246RS became a full fledged aeroplane at exactly high noon today...5 year s 4 months , 12 days after opening the first crate..... Rick Sked N246RS...Airworthy!!! Fuel- er up!!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:09:45 PM PST US
    Subject: N246RS Airworthy
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    Fantastic news Rick! I am having a difficult believing how many of -10's are coming off the assembly line these days. I hope OSH has enough room to fit us in a few years. Robin Do Not Archive


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    Time: 07:12:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: hot starts
    From: "fdombroski" <f.dombroski@yahoo.com>
    I find that leaning the engine for taxi will minimize the rough running, especially when hot... Cheers, Frank N46WD Grinning -------- Frank Dombroski RV-10 N46WD Flying RV-8 N84FD final assembly N40 Sky Manor Airport Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248617#248617


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    Time: 11:43:21 PM PST US
    From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: T/O data point
    Yeh - right, not quite. A wonderfullllly balanced engine from you guys, with MT prop. Makes it even smoooother ;-) On 17/06/2009, at 9:15 AM, Rhonda Bewley wrote: > > > > Whew! You're running a stock engine, right? :-) > > Rhonda > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & > Sarah > Colliver > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:00 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: T/O data point > > > > > FYI > Grass runway at 140' above sea level > QNH 1017 > Temp - freezing > Wind on ground - Nil > Full fuel & 1 adult, 1 child > Take off run was 179 yards > Very easy to tell with the frost marks > > Neil > >




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