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1. 04:26 AM - Rivet Plates (Michael D Chase)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Lew Gallagher)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Kent Ogden)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 07:57 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill)
7. 08:39 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (Rene Felker)
8. 09:43 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Albert Gardner)
9. 09:57 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (nukeflyboy)
10. 10:06 AM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (nukeflyboy)
11. 10:06 AM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (nukeflyboy)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (nukeflyboy)
13. 10:14 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Bob Turner)
14. 10:27 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill)
15. 10:45 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill)
17. 12:24 PM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel ()
18. 03:19 PM - IO540 Operators Manual (Tim Lewis)
19. 03:46 PM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (McGann, Ron)
20. 04:47 PM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (Albert Gardner)
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Guys,
OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time
off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates.
When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between
the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw
down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers
to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-)
Thanks
Michael Chase
Sr. Manager Supplier Quality
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc
128 Lakeside Ave
Burlington, VT 05401
802.657.6029 Office
802.922.5930 Cell
802.657.6715
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Plates |
Hey Michael,
If there's a dimple for the screw, you should be using a nut plate that
is countersunk for the dimple ... ?
Later, - Lew
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From: Michael D Chase
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet Plates
Guys,
OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of
time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet
plates.
When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap
between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for
the screw down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle
nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2
hands:-)
Thanks
Michael Chase
Sr. Manager Supplier Quality
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc
128 Lakeside Ave
Burlington, VT 05401
802.657.6029 Office
802.922.5930 Cell
802.657.6715
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Plates |
Dumb as it may sound...you are using the 1100 style nutplates? And you are dimpling
the lugs? I just use a cleco to hold one side while riveting the other side...never
had and problems with rocking of the plate...that's all I can think
of Michael..
Rick Sked
N246RS
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Subject: RV10-List: Rivet Plates
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Plates |
Michael,
If I recall some of the numbers, there is for example a K1100-6 and a
K1100-06 nutplate for #6 screws, one is for dimpled skins, the other is
flush. Are you sure you are using the right nutplate? It's easy to confuse
some of these part numbers.
Kent Ogden
>>> Michael D Chase <MChase@gdatp.com> 6/18/2009 7:20 AM >>>
Guys,
OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off
from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates.
When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between
the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down
the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to
hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-)
Thanks
Michael Chase
Sr. Manager Supplier Quality
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc
128 Lakeside Ave
Burlington, VT 05401
802.657.6029 Office
802.922.5930 Cell
802.657.6715
mchase@gdatp.com
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It's actually K1000 series for flush and K1100 series dimpled skins, the
suffix is the screw/bolt size. More than once when building I just
glanced at the plans, misread, and grabbed a 1000 when I should have
grabbed an 1100.
Bob
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Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet Plates
Michael,
If I recall some of the numbers, there is for example a K1100-6 and a
K1100-06 nutplate for #6 screws, one is for dimpled skins, the other is
flush. Are you sure you are using the right nutplate? It's easy to
confuse some of these part numbers.
Kent Ogden
>>> Michael D Chase <MChase@gdatp.com> 6/18/2009 7:20 AM >>>
Guys,
OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time
off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates.
When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap
between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for
the screw down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle
nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2
hands:-)
Thanks
Michael Chase
Sr. Manager Supplier Quality
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc
128 Lakeside Ave
Burlington, VT 05401
802.657.6029 Office
802.922.5930 Cell
802.657.6715
mchase@gdatp.com
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| Subject: | Rear baggage wall access panel |
One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I
used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or
exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut
driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the
Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the
two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the
corrugations in the panel.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate
that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural
panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of
screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that
maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up
or reinforced, but it's worth checking.
Dave
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,
and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back
wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to
give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it,
just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it
just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't
be a bad idea.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Miller John wrote:
I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength
of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.
Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.
grumpy
N184JM
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On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied
the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should
be about 20 pics that show the process.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back
baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his
pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my
mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access.
Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my
oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea
from Randy's web site.
So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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| Subject: | Rear baggage wall access panel |
David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great
upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws
behind the reels are a real pain in the butt.
FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I
used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or
exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut
driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the
Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the
two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the
corrugations in the panel.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate
that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural
panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of
screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that
maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up
or reinforced, but it's worth checking.
Dave
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,
and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back
wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to
give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it,
just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it
just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't
be a bad idea.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Miller John wrote:
I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength
of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.
Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.
grumpy
N184JM
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On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied
the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should
be about 20 pics that show the process.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back
baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his
pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my
mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access.
Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my
oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea
from Randy's web site.
So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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There is also a nutplate that has dimpled holes for the attaching rivets.
You can dimple those holes yourself however. I don't know the part no.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Rear baggage wall access panel |
Listen carefully to what Tim and Grumpy are saying. I'll be more blunt. The baggage
bulkhead IS a structural component and is necessary for asymmetrical HS
loading/twisting moments. (Sound familiar? Check the tail SB). That is the reason
for the corrugations and all of the screws. It must not be compromised
for ease of access. I do not like what I see in the photos.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: N246RS Airworthy |
Congratulations Rick! My RV-6 took 8 years and 3 months so I can relate with the
experience. It shows good judgment to have an experienced pilot do the first
flight. That means you are a safe pilot and I'd fly with you any day.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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Congratulations Rick! My RV-6 took 8 years and 3 months so I can relate with the
experience. It shows good judgment to have an experienced pilot do the first
flight. That means you are a safe pilot and I'd fly with you any day.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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Congratulations Rick! My RV-6 took 8 years and 3 months so I can relate with the
experience. It shows good judgment to have an experienced pilot do the first
flight. That means you are a safe pilot and I'd fly with you any day.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Plates |
Just to summarize:
If the hole for the screw is dimpled, you need K1100-xxx series. If the screw
hole is not dimpled, you need K1000-xxx series.
If the nutplate attaching rivets are in a dimpled skin, you will need to dimple
the attaching holes in the nutplate. Most dimple dies will hit the center, threaded
portion of the nutplate. You'll need to grind down the female die slightly,
or build a jig (which is what I did) to avoid damaging the center, threaded
part.
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Bob Turner
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| Subject: | Rear baggage wall access panel |
check http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas1096.php
Also I used CS with an internal hex head for the last two screws on the
forward tunnel edge. Wrong CS angle but certainly easier to use, an allen
wrench removes rather tha pressure on a Phillps head.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great
upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws
behind the reels are a real pain in the butt.
FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I
used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or
exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut
driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the
Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the
two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the
corrugations in the panel.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate
that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural
panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of
screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that
maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up
or reinforced, but it's worth checking.
Dave
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,
and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back
wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to
give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it,
just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it
just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't
be a bad idea.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Miller John wrote:
I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength
of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.
Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied
the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should
be about 20 pics that show the process.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back
baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his
pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my
mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access.
Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my
oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea
from Randy's web site.
So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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| Subject: | Rear baggage wall access panel |
Also there are other places on the airframe where the NAS hex heads are more
maintenance friendly. The lower cowl where the center piece connects to the
cowl and the firewall.Put the Makita and a 1/4" 12p socket on a 1/4 drive
extension and they are easy out. Inspection panels under the seats are 8
screws and easy out. I bought #10, #8, and #6 in 100 count bags.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great
upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws
behind the reels are a real pain in the butt.
FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I
used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or
exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut
driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the
Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the
two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the
corrugations in the panel.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate
that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural
panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of
screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that
maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up
or reinforced, but it's worth checking.
Dave
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,
and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back
wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to
give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it,
just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it
just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't
be a bad idea.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Miller John wrote:
I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength
of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.
Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.
grumpy
N184JM
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On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied
the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should
be about 20 pics that show the process.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back
baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his
pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my
mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access.
Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my
oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea
from Randy's web site.
So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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One other thing. use the Makita torque setting at lowest 1? Then the screws
can be removed next time with a reverse torque setting 2 o3?.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
Also there are other places on the airframe where the NAS hex heads are more
maintenance friendly. The lower cowl where the center piece connects to the
cowl and the firewall.Put the Makita and a 1/4" 12p socket on a 1/4 drive
extension and they are easy out. Inspection panels under the seats are 8
screws and easy out. I bought #10, #8, and #6 in 100 count bags.
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Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great
upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws
behind the reels are a real pain in the butt.
FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I
used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or
exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut
driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the
Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the
two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the
corrugations in the panel.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate
that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural
panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of
screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that
maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up
or reinforced, but it's worth checking.
Dave
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,
and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back
wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to
give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it,
just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it
just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't
be a bad idea.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Miller John wrote:
I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength
of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.
Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied
the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should
be about 20 pics that show the process.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back
baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his
pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my
mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access.
Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my
oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea
from Randy's web site.
So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,
and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back
wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to
give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it,
just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it
just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't
be a bad idea.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Yes, Vans will more than discourage any modification of the rear baggage
bulkhead. However, looking at the pictures of Deems and Waynes door, I
think if you were to use #4 rivets along the supporting frame not #3's, AND
used the same hinge program at the bottom but used ( 9 qty.) #8 nutplates
and screws - 3, on each side as well as 3 along the top, your strength would
be there. Yes, you still have 9 screws to remove (with a screw gun this is
only minutes) but still way less than the 25 - 30 it takes to remove the
entire bulkhead.
Which now leads to the next question of if this modified portion of the
bulkhead is now stronger than the other side of the bulkhead how does that
effect the integrity of the part as designed? Just a question to ponder -
no replys needed....
Rich Hansen
10 - Finishing kit
RV-6A, 1000 hrs
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Rob,
Can I get a copy, too? I've not had any luck finding it on Tim's site.
Thanks,
Tim Lewis
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FWIW, a mod that I made to the baggage bulkhead was the simple addition
of a couple of female terminals that paralleled the battery. This
allowed me to directly monitor the battery state (by multimeter) both on
the ground and in flight, recharge the battery, and supplement the
battery with a DC power supply for avionics testing/setup; without
having to remove the bulkhead. I would do it again in an instant.
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel
I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the
back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and
see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and
made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that
back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts
etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area,
which I took the idea from Randy's web site.
So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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An outfit called Microfasteners.com makes a Torx equivalent flat and round
head screw. I have used these and like the fact that you don't have to push
like you do on Phillips screws. Better make sure you carry some Torx
wrenches with your emergency maint kit if you use them however. (They call
them 6 lobe screws and avoid the Torx name.)
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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check http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas1096.php
Also I used CS with an internal hex head for the last two screws on the
forward tunnel edge. Wrong CS angle but certainly easier to use, an allen
wrench removes rather the pressure on a Phillips head.
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