---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/18/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Rivet Plates (Michael D Chase) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Lew Gallagher) 3. 04:57 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 4. 05:37 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Kent Ogden) 5. 07:21 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill) 7. 08:39 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (Rene Felker) 8. 09:43 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Albert Gardner) 9. 09:57 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (nukeflyboy) 10. 10:06 AM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (nukeflyboy) 11. 10:06 AM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (nukeflyboy) 12. 10:06 AM - Re: N246RS Airworthy (nukeflyboy) 13. 10:14 AM - Re: Rivet Plates (Bob Turner) 14. 10:27 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill) 15. 10:45 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill) 16. 11:22 AM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (David McNeill) 17. 12:24 PM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel () 18. 03:19 PM - IO540 Operators Manual (Tim Lewis) 19. 03:46 PM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (McGann, Ron) 20. 04:47 PM - Re: Rear baggage wall access panel (Albert Gardner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:07 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Rivet Plates From: Michael D Chase Guys, OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) Thanks Michael Chase Sr. Manager Supplier Quality General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc 128 Lakeside Ave Burlington, VT 05401 802.657.6029 Office 802.922.5930 Cell 802.657.6715 mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:10 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet Plates Hey Michael, If there's a dimple for the screw, you should be using a nut plate that is countersunk for the dimple ... ? Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D Chase To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rivet Plates Guys, OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) Thanks Michael Chase Sr. Manager Supplier Quality General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc 128 Lakeside Ave Burlington, VT 05401 802.657.6029 Office 802.922.5930 Cell 802.657.6715 mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet Plates From: ricksked@embarqmail.com Dumb as it may sound...you are using the 1100 style nutplates? And you are dimpling the lugs? I just use a cleco to hold one side while riveting the other side...never had and problems with rocking of the plate...that's all I can think of Michael.. Rick Sked N246RS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Michael D Chase Subject: RV10-List: Rivet Plates This is a multipart message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:09 AM PST US From: "Kent Ogden" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet Plates Michael, If I recall some of the numbers, there is for example a K1100-6 and a K1100-06 nutplate for #6 screws, one is for dimpled skins, the other is flush. Are you sure you are using the right nutplate? It's easy to confuse some of these part numbers. Kent Ogden >>> Michael D Chase 6/18/2009 7:20 AM >>> Guys, OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) Thanks Michael Chase Sr. Manager Supplier Quality General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc 128 Lakeside Ave Burlington, VT 05401 802.657.6029 Office 802.922.5930 Cell 802.657.6715 mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivet Plates From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" It's actually K1000 series for flush and K1100 series dimpled skins, the suffix is the screw/bolt size. More than once when building I just glanced at the plans, misread, and grabbed a 1000 when I should have grabbed an 1100. Bob _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kent Ogden Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet Plates Michael, If I recall some of the numbers, there is for example a K1100-6 and a K1100-06 nutplate for #6 screws, one is for dimpled skins, the other is flush. Are you sure you are using the right nutplate? It's easy to confuse some of these part numbers. Kent Ogden >>> Michael D Chase 6/18/2009 7:20 AM >>> Guys, OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle. Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) Thanks Michael Chase Sr. Manager Supplier Quality General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc 128 Lakeside Ave Burlington, VT 05401 802.657.6029 Office 802.922.5930 Cell 802.657.6715 mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ~=03=0F'k{w/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:49 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the panel. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking. Dave On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall, and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it, just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't be a bad idea. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Miller John wrote: I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's. Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/ Wayne Edgerton wrote: I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site. So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive * * ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:41 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws behind the reels are a real pain in the butt. FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the panel. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking. Dave On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall, and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it, just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't be a bad idea. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Miller John wrote: I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's. Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/ Wayne Edgerton wrote: I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site. So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive * * ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:02 AM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivet Plates There is also a nutplate that has dimpled holes for the attaching rivets. You can dimple those holes yourself however. I don't know the part no. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:05 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rear baggage wall access panel From: "nukeflyboy" Listen carefully to what Tim and Grumpy are saying. I'll be more blunt. The baggage bulkhead IS a structural component and is necessary for asymmetrical HS loading/twisting moments. (Sound familiar? Check the tail SB). That is the reason for the corrugations and all of the screws. It must not be compromised for ease of access. I do not like what I see in the photos. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248930#248930 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:34 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N246RS Airworthy From: "nukeflyboy" Congratulations Rick! My RV-6 took 8 years and 3 months so I can relate with the experience. It shows good judgment to have an experienced pilot do the first flight. That means you are a safe pilot and I'd fly with you any day. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248932#248932 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:34 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N246RS Airworthy From: "nukeflyboy" Congratulations Rick! My RV-6 took 8 years and 3 months so I can relate with the experience. It shows good judgment to have an experienced pilot do the first flight. That means you are a safe pilot and I'd fly with you any day. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248933#248933 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:51 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N246RS Airworthy From: "nukeflyboy" Congratulations Rick! My RV-6 took 8 years and 3 months so I can relate with the experience. It shows good judgment to have an experienced pilot do the first flight. That means you are a safe pilot and I'd fly with you any day. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248934#248934 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivet Plates From: "Bob Turner" Just to summarize: If the hole for the screw is dimpled, you need K1100-xxx series. If the screw hole is not dimpled, you need K1000-xxx series. If the nutplate attaching rivets are in a dimpled skin, you will need to dimple the attaching holes in the nutplate. Most dimple dies will hit the center, threaded portion of the nutplate. You'll need to grind down the female die slightly, or build a jig (which is what I did) to avoid damaging the center, threaded part. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248935#248935 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:38 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel check http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas1096.php Also I used CS with an internal hex head for the last two screws on the forward tunnel edge. Wrong CS angle but certainly easier to use, an allen wrench removes rather tha pressure on a Phillps head. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws behind the reels are a real pain in the butt. FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the panel. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking. Dave On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall, and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it, just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't be a bad idea. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Miller John wrote: I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's. Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/ Wayne Edgerton wrote: I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site. So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive * * ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:00 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel Also there are other places on the airframe where the NAS hex heads are more maintenance friendly. The lower cowl where the center piece connects to the cowl and the firewall.Put the Makita and a 1/4" 12p socket on a 1/4 drive extension and they are easy out. Inspection panels under the seats are 8 screws and easy out. I bought #10, #8, and #6 in 100 count bags. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws behind the reels are a real pain in the butt. FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the panel. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking. Dave On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall, and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it, just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't be a bad idea. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Miller John wrote: I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's. Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/ Wayne Edgerton wrote: I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site. So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive * * ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:57 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel One other thing. use the Makita torque setting at lowest 1? Then the screws can be removed next time with a reverse torque setting 2 o3?. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel Also there are other places on the airframe where the NAS hex heads are more maintenance friendly. The lower cowl where the center piece connects to the cowl and the firewall.Put the Makita and a 1/4" 12p socket on a 1/4 drive extension and they are easy out. Inspection panels under the seats are 8 screws and easy out. I bought #10, #8, and #6 in 100 count bags. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel David...can you give us the part number on those screws? Sound like a great upgrade for my next annual.condition inspection. Those Phillips head screws behind the reels are a real pain in the butt. FYI.the seat belts are working out great.. J Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the panel. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel. Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment! Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking. Dave On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall, and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it, just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't be a bad idea. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Miller John wrote: I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's. Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/ Wayne Edgerton wrote: I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site. So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive * * ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:22 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall, and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to give it back it's structural-ness. So, if you cut into it, just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it just as strong again. Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't be a bad idea. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Yes, Vans will more than discourage any modification of the rear baggage bulkhead. However, looking at the pictures of Deems and Waynes door, I think if you were to use #4 rivets along the supporting frame not #3's, AND used the same hinge program at the bottom but used ( 9 qty.) #8 nutplates and screws - 3, on each side as well as 3 along the top, your strength would be there. Yes, you still have 9 screws to remove (with a screw gun this is only minutes) but still way less than the 25 - 30 it takes to remove the entire bulkhead. Which now leads to the next question of if this modified portion of the bulkhead is now stronger than the other side of the bulkhead how does that effect the integrity of the part as designed? Just a question to ponder - no replys needed.... Rich Hansen 10 - Finishing kit RV-6A, 1000 hrs ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:50 PM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual Rob, Can I get a copy, too? I've not had any luck finding it on Tim's site. Thanks, Tim Lewis -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > Coming to you offline! > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *gary > *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 11:36 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: IO540 Operators Manual > > > > Does anyone have or know where to get an electronic copy of the > operators manual? > > > > Gary Specketer > > N204GS Flying > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel From: "McGann, Ron" FWIW, a mod that I made to the baggage bulkhead was the simple addition of a couple of female terminals that paralleled the battery. This allowed me to directly monitor the battery state (by multimeter) both on the ground and in flight, recharge the battery, and supplement the battery with a DC power supply for avionics testing/setup; without having to remove the bulkhead. I would do it again in an instant. Cheers, Ron VH-XRM in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2009 9:22 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site. So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive DISCLAIMER:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. 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Better make sure you carry some Torx wrenches with your emergency maint kit if you use them however. (They call them 6 lobe screws and avoid the Torx name.) Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill check http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas1096.php Also I used CS with an internal hex head for the last two screws on the forward tunnel edge. Wrong CS angle but certainly easier to use, an allen wrench removes rather the pressure on a Phillips head. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.